/lit/ - Literature

anyone who uses the term 'normie' is the equivalent of vermin.

>>11098381
Because knowledge =/= wisdom. The great wisdom is to reproduce. The human genome is such that two morons may eventually through the generations give rise to a genius of the age.

Have you ever read Nietzsche?

>>11098435
No just read a few quotes and listened to Jordan Peterson talk about him

>>11098443
How about you go out, pick up a copy of 'The genealogy of morals' at your local bookshop (or pirate it from the internet), sit down, and read it. Then come back in a week or so and make a thread about it. the last man has little to do with intelligence (explicitly, anyway).

>>11098443
good quote

>>11098531
Alright. Does it matter which translation or do I have to learn German?

>>11098636
No need to learn German if you're just casually reading him. Any modern edition will do; just watch out for the super cheap copies, as they often use out-of-copywrite translations which are 80+ years old.

>>11098531
>pirating public domain
What is project Gutenburg for $200.

>>11098443
Interesting how much this shows Nietzsche’s bias and subjectivity. He was almost on the verge of a great but simple truth — people can be divided in physical, emotional, and mental types; however, Nietzsche hated the idea of “emotional types” (because he himself was a very emotional and passionate person) and so glorified the mind and body. In the end, his body became paralyzed from strokes and his mind relapsed into senility and insanity. The only thing he had left, possibly, being some mute and trapped emotions, incapable of expression through either bodily movement or coherent thought.

>>11098381
>Why is it that only the people with the lowest levels of intelligence are the ones who propagate their genes?

Smart people realize well what rearing children entails.
>Loss of financial freedom
>Loss of time
>Always afraid for the children
>Can't be sure they will grow up good and sane people
>Required to have a constant job to feed them
>Can't rebel anymore because family is a tool that can be used against you
>Fear of anything new settles in, because everything new disrupts the stability of your turf and thus your children
>If divorce happens, you're royally fucked

It's a special kind of torture, and you have to be braindead, or brainwashed beyond salvation, to engage in it.

>>11099625
>lists resources
You might just be stupid enough to believe that's the extent of your being. Maybe stupid people are not vain enough to reduce beauty to something they can calculate and trade.

>>11098722
The newest translations ain't public domain

>>11099625
imagine unironically thinking this

>>11099625
Smart people don't think that way. 109IQ people who think they're smart think that way.

>>11098381
>Why is it that only the people with the lowest levels of intelligence are the ones who propagate their genes?
"smart" people are more likely to identify with some retarded abstract ideology that has nothing to do with how shit actually works but is too obtuse for the general public to understand so it must obviously be very smart.
In the modern era, such ideologies tend towards materialism, and since the "rewards" of having children are emotional or "spiritual" in nature, they're simply not considered real rewards.
Also, "smart" people tend to quetion things more often, and tend to reject whatever they can't find an intellectual reason for, not realizing how limited pure intellect truly is.

>>11098443
>be a sclerotic cretin
>write this

What did he mean by this?

>>11098443
pottery

when i found the latin origin of "proletariat" had nothing to do with labor or work, but with reproducing, my mind was blown, the proletariat are not workers but BREEDERS literally

>>11100137
>if I bully all the other invalids maybe I'll finally be cool
there, I just saved you from having to read neetche's """philosophy"""

>>11100125
>In the modern era, such ideologies tend towards materialism, and since the "rewards" of having children are emotional or "spiritual" in nature, they're simply not considered real rewards.
Up until 60 years ago having children was first and foremost a financial investment you cum sipping pseud

>>11098381
They are vermin. Have you talked to any? CAN you talk to any?

>>11098443
was neetche a LARPer who fancied himself an ancient aristocrat?

>>11098434
>The great wisdom is to reproduce

Individualism and Classical Liberalism are perhaps some of the most grotesque concepts and vehicles of thought ever formulated.

Thanks a lot Luther.

>>11101263
sorry but individualism is necessary for the development of a strongman to lead the collective

The true contemporary Übermensch embraces a hybrid of popular culture and high culture desu, not that le wrong generation I must have been Polish royalty fedora shit.

>>11098381
>Is he right? Are normies equivalent of vermin?
Yes, but we say normalfag outside of reddit and YouTube comments sections
>Why is it that only the people with the lowest levels of intelligence are the ones who propagate their genes?
Nature is nothing but interpenetrating fields of force, centers of power and intent. There is no fixed goal, higher complexity interactions yield more interesting structures like black holes and planets with life on them. Negentropy is rare, and its extremely sensitive to flattening effects which smooth out the heterogeneities in vital systems like Life. You are unlikely to see unique types often, N writes about how fragile and necessarily fleeting that they are. He embraced the notion that Life was a feeble process, which required tragedy, the total loss of strength and periods of mediocrity and nihilism. That there is ever greatness is what exalts life in the first place, its relative obscurity and occulted nature among the waves of unremarkable mutagenic ugliness is not surprising. We'd be more perplexed if there was always health or elan in the species.
>>11099625
He wasn't necessarily talking about high iq bugs who don't breed, you are correct Educational Attainment and g correlate strongly with lower fecundity but its not what he was getting at
>>11099919
they do subconsciously, there is a strong correlation between iq and lower fecundity. It holds in all populations on Earth
>>11101219
No, he was an aristocrat in an era of plebeians, he would've been a vaunted philosopher or statesman in the ancient world

>>11101273
sounds like you're just trying to justify your own partially ironic and partially nostalgic tastes

>>11101292
Not a shred of irony.

>>11100152
prolific comes from the same word. Producing many

>>11101285
>No, he was an aristocrat in an era of plebeians, he would've been a vaunted philosopher or statesman in the ancient world
didn't he hate plato and socrates for "introducing slave morality" or some shit? i'm pretty sure philosophy as a discipline wasn't much of a thing before socrates, and most of the presocratics don't seem to be much different from plato in terms of their ethics

>>11098381
>normies

Pot.

Kettle.

Vermin = Vermin.

Are you vermin?

>>11101324
statesman, philosopher, poet, scholar etc

you're wrong about the presocratics they didn't at all have coherent political or religious beliefs and you're also wrong about Socrates being the first philosopher. This is something humanists and rationalists say, it has absolutely no validity whatsoever.

>>11101271
Leading a collective is not individualistic, especially when the general intention of leading is in favor of the followers.
Every person is born into a family, in a society, in a nation, etc. anyways. People are far from be individuals.
Though gearing one's own self to the society's whim is foolish, just as not gearing one's own self to virtue, good, and truth is foolish. Seeking out virtue subsequently aligns men with other men.

A selfish lone wolf dies alone by vice of loneliness and seeking itself; a pack intent on survival and banding together thrives on.

>>11101335
i didn't say he was the first philosopher, but im pretty sure "philosophy" as an institution, a discipline, a caste, was very much defined by plato (and by extension socrates). sure there were previous "schools" but nowhere do you find an account of the act of 'doing philosophy' itself as extensive as plato's, not to mention his academy was the largest and most influential one, not to mention aristotle etc

>>11101271
no, it leads to psychopaths trying to exploit the rest of society for private gain

the people Nietzsche ridicules are the people that have never had an original thought in their entire lives and go along just to get along. They'll do whatever it takes to gain friends approval, whether it's dressing a certain way, believing in certain things, etc. I say let the normies have fun, because what would we do with ourselves if we didn't have normies to criticize?

>>11101292
>>11101273
Considering we are all class-mongrels, I don't see this as a flawed way forward.

>>11101285
neetche would've been bullied to suicide by the chad philosophers of the ancient world lmao

>>11098381
>Why is it that only the people with the lowest levels of intelligence are the ones who propagate their genes?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory

>>11101273
>The true contemporary Übermensch
...and already fell flat on your face. Read Nietzsche first then talk. Of course this is but a colorful expression. I mean don't talk.

>>11098381
Idk. And im just glad that i can stare at tits and asses ALL DAY SON and not feel guilty about it.

>itt intellectual bugman who can't even conceive of what it means to be your own person (naturally they act with perfect surety believing this not the case) futilely slander Nietzsche without ever having read him thus proving they aren't bitter or stupid at all

>>11103290
So a Nietzsche thread then?

>>11103260
>implying R selection exists in humans

>>11103260
>r/k theory
>>>/pol/

>>11103306
>literally consistent throughout all of history where the most elite and educated have few children while the poor have many
Gee, you sure got me there with that facebook meme.

>>11103306
>implying R selection exists in humans
Are you joking? You realize that every one of those starving Ethiopians you see during those save the children commercials has 10 kids, right?

>>11098381
You have to wonder if Nietzsche would consider himself a success if he could see the effects and understanding of his works today.

>>11103290
everyone in this thread is jerking Nietzsche off

Thoughts on starting with the birth of tragedy before reading gs or bge etc?