/lit/ - Literature

Copy pasting some posts that people found helpful on advaita. Thanks again to the advaita poster:

Adi Shankara's Prasthanatrayi commentaries (his most important works)

>Commentary on 8 of the Muhkya Upanishads part 1
https://archive.org/details/EightUpanishadsWithSankarabhashyamSwamiGambhiranandaVol11989

>Commentary on 8 of the Muhkya Upanishads part 2
https://archive.org/details/EightUpanishadsWithSankarabhashyamSwamiGambhiranandaVol21966

>Brahma Sutra Bhasya (commentary) of Shankaracharya
https://archive.org/details/BrahmaSutraSankaraBhashyaEngVMApte1960

>The Bhagavad-Gita with commentary of Shankaracharya
https://archive.org/details/Bhagavad-Gita.with.the.Commentary.of.Sri.Shankaracharya


Adi Shankaras non-commentary Prakarana Granthas (philosophical treatises)

>Atma Bodha (Self-knowledge)
http://www.lovebliss.eu/Download/Atma%20Bodha.pdf

>Upadesasahasri (A Thousand Teachings)
http://estudantedavedanta.net/Sri_Shankaracharya-Upadeshasahasri%20-%20Swami%20Jagadananda%20%281949%29%20[Sanskrit-English].pdf

>Aparokshanubhuti (Direct experience)
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.216548

>Vivekachudamani (Crest Jewel of Discrimination)
https://ia800108.us.archive.org/18/items/Vivekacudamani/Vivekacudamani.pdf


Non-Adi Shankara Advaita texts

>The Ashtavakra Gita
https://realization.org/p/ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita.html

>Voga Vasistha
https://archive.org/details/VasisthasYoga

>Advaita Bodha Deepika (The lamp of non-deal knowledge)
https://selfdefinition.org/ramana/Advaita-Bodha-Deepika.pdf

>Drg-Drsya-Viveka (An inquiry into the Nature of the 'Seer' and the 'Seen')
https://vivekananda.net/PDFBooks/Others/DrgDrsyaViveka1931.pdf

>The Ribhu Gita
https://archive.org/stream/RibhuGitaRamaMoorthyH./Ribhu%20Gita%20%20Rama%20Moorthy%20H.%20#page/n1/mode/2up

>>11049577
>Of the works you've listed, where does one begin?

Read the Ashtavakra Gita for a quick TLDR. After that either read the Yoga Vasistha or read through the core texts of Advaita (Shankara's Prasthanatrayi commentaries, roughly 2,000 pages). After you read one of those read the other. The prasthanatrayi texts that Shankara comments on are earlier than the Yoga Vasistha but the Yoga Vasistha may slightly pre-date Adi Shankara. Reading both Vasistha and his commentaries would round out your understanding exceptionally well. After that really any order.

There are two high quality abbreviations translation of Vasistha, both by the same guy, my other link has the longer one. The original Sanskrit has roughly the same # of verses as the bible and the only full English translation was awful so I'd not recommend it.


>How would you contrast traditional metaphysics in the West with Advaita Vedanta? As for initiation

A. Coomaraswamy wrote an excellent article on that subject titled 'Vedanta and Western Tradition'. I couldn't do it more justice than him.

http://www.worldwisdom.com/public/viewpdf/default.aspx?article-title=The_Vedanta_and_Western_Tradition_by_Ananda_Coomaraswamy.pdf

Here's a short text on the exoteric-esoteric distinction:
http://www.fatuma.net/text/Haqiqa_and_Sharia_in_Islam_by_Rene_Guenon.pdf
Here's an exchange of letters between an Islamic Traditionalist and a Christian critical of traditionalism, specifically debating over the idea of non-dualism (I particularly enjoyed this exchange):
http://www.sacredweb.com/online_articles/sw17_bolton-upton.pdf

pic related is the chart I mentioned I was working on in the last thread.

Guenon chart. Any anons who want to put together charts or recc lists related, even only tangentially, to traditionalism will be appreciated.

>>11049594
also here's an Evola list someone made

Aldous Huxley wrote a nice book called The Perennial Philosophy. I would also recommend The Golden Bough in one of its abridgements.

>>11049684
>Aldous Huxley wrote a nice book called The Perennial Philosophy
The Perennial Philsophy is a nice intro for people really new to the ideas, but it's quite different from the traditionalist point of view. the tl;dr is that rather than adopting a metaphysical standpoint he adopts an experimental and empiricist standpoint. I haven't read the Golden Bough but Guenon criticizes it quite heavily.

>>11049706
Anglo/Hebraic/Egyptian mythos v. Germanic/Arab/Aryan mythos eh?

>>11049726
Not sure what you mean by that.

i'm considering converting to islam to practice Tradition. what books should i start with if i want to take this traditional approach to islam?

>>11049759
Crowley etc. engaging with Kabbala by way of Masonry, Hebrew mysteries lifted with a heavy hand from the mystics of Egypt. Levantine semitism vs. Arabo-Persian. The birth and death rites of agrarians vs. The path of warriors. There are bigger reasons for why Britain fought Germany than just a few jewish media caprices.

>>11049914
What? Where are you getting this from?

>>11049995
Pretty much by reading Crowley and a few others and working piecemeal over other material. The Golden Bough is a real eye opener into Anglo mysticism. As well as The Golden Dawn. There was never a pan-european cult and the major political upheavals in Rome effectively split the far west (Nordics and Anglos) from the Mediterranean and Central europe in that regard. Muslims carried their thought virus a lot more diffusely throughout Europe than we would like to admit. The Orient as well. Germany stood in a confluence and is on an esoteric level further from England than from Mongolia. England is very special, perhaps a tribe of Israel in fact. There will be no unified Europe. Or there might but England won't be a part of it.

>>11049893
"Islam and the Destiny of Man" by Charles Le Gai Eaton (pic related)
"Islam: Ideals and Reality" by Seyyed Hossein Nasr
Are two great introductions from traditionalists. Also check out this list by Abdal Hakim Murad (aka Tim Winter):
https://splendidpearls.org/2015/03/30/shaykh-abdal-hakim-murads-book-recommendations/

I'm a convert, myself.

>>11050033
And what is the cult that Germany preserved? Just to plant a flag here, none of this is upheld in the Traditionalist writers, so I'm unsure in total just what is at variance with the material.

>>11050057
Germany has a fairly cosmopolitan outlook by the time of the Traditionalist school. From greco-roman arianism and persian influences via that route to Orientalism via Greece (see Greco-Buddhism) and its more Slavic territories to the East. Germany was in fact multicultural for a long time (not in the current sense) whereas Britain was geographically and culturally isolated from Central Europe and the mediterranean until much later, it being just a fronteir in terms of geopolitics. With Crowley we see obvious influence by the Anglo-Israelists and Freemasons (an offshoot of the same); Oriental influences as well but more aesthetic than anything until way on with Alan Watts and Huxley et al. In America there developed a truly demented death cult, unironic devil worship probably as a result of the puritan spirit as well as anglo witchcraft. This carries us all the way until the 1960s when the US government was actually usurped by these very devil worshippers with biker gang thugs and hippy apocalyptic cults. And Hollywood producers like Polanski.

>>11050056
looks like exactly what i wanted, thanks. is nasr's translation of the quran (the study quran) a good one? or are there better translations?

>>11050143
I haven't read Nasr's translation, so I don't know. It has lots of commentary. I've read Pickthall and currently reading Abdel Haleem. Both are good imo. Neither has commentary besides occasional footnote.

>>11050143
Also I think you might find too much commentary distracting if you have never read the Quran before. Another resource you might want to look into are online lectures. Some people to look out for on youtube:
- Hamza Yusuf
- Abdal Hakim Murad (Tim Winter)
- Ali Ataie
- Jonathan AC Brown

Here are some helpful videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60JboffOhaw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no5RCHRbknk
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7DDC6E4A27E031CC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi1EwbQHTVg&t=1154s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VUwBvJF9vY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD5hNos1eJM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZlEtV0rDPA

>>11050143
Lastly, here's a throwaway email I made, feel free to message me with questions at any time:
isaacalfasi1492@gmail.com

daily reminder

Intellect versus Reason. An important distinction that is rarely made today.

I feel like Merton is somehow affiliated with traditionalsim

pierre grimes isn't exactly a traditionalist but he's pretty based, his lectures are a good resource for the more "mystical" side of platonism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzWu6CgFz2A

bump

rare guenon bump

>>11049592
What do you mean by counter-tradition?

>>11051423
To elaborate on my question, what is the counter-tradition those books are exposing? What are it’s main tenets/who are it’s main supporters?

>>11051475
Basically, forces that work toward inverting the idea of tradition. In "The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times" Guenon differentiates between counter-tradition (or counter-initiation) and pseudo-tradition. Pseudo-tradition basically refers to "LARPers" who make up all kinds "occult" nonsense or found various social clubs with an esoteric veneer. Counter-tradition is much harder to spot. Sometimes it manifests as organizations, but frequently it's difficult to pinpoint who is behind any particular counter-traditional action. It can be recognized wherever there is an inversion of traditional ideas.

What do you guys think about the disavowing of evolution? Just how did the Traditionalists believe we got here?

>>11051758
Here's a criticism of evolution from a contemporary traditionalist:
http://www.cis-ca.org/jol/vol4-no2/nasr-f-prn.pdf

My personal take? I think people today are too afraid of uncertainty or ambiguity on certain things. For me the answer to the question of human origins is very simple: "I don't know". I've noticed that people often expect that in order to reject evolution you have to propose some alternative. I think the most intellectually honest thing to do when you don't know something is to simply admit you don't know it, and I think the manner in which life originated is precisely such an unsolved mystery. I don't find evolution a plausible enough theory to accept, but I'm admittedly no expert.

>>11051802
I see, thanks for the paper. I usually approach the question by partitioning adaptation and the trans-speciation. Certain bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics is an established fact of biological adaptation. The only cells that persist are those cells that are resistant to prophylaxis. It can be demonstrated even in vitro. What hasn't been established in a controlled way, as far as I am aware, is the radical transformation of a species into another. So I'm an ally of skepticism on the subject. I think the common response is that species, strictly speaking, do not exist and are mere nomenclature for the regularity of phenotype.

If this is true, I think it is remarkable that there is such an intelligence and uniformity to populations of creatures. On this, I think the criticism Guenon gives in Multiple States of the Being is that the species is properly the form or intelligence of individuals and is therefore more "real" than the individual; within certain populations, particularly micro-organisms, it becomes nearly impossible to distinguish when an individual instance ends and another one begins due to such reality. However, I find this to be a lacking critique and leaves many questions open. I find it annoying that Guenon handwaives entire subjects away so easily as often as he does in his writings

>>11049580
>Read the Ashtavakra Gita for a quick TLDR.
There is one problem here.
>Reading the preface to Swami Chinmayananda's commentary to the Astavakra Gita
>"In General Introduction and later in the commentary, it is repeatedly emphasised that Astavakra Gita is meant only for those advanced sadhaka-s who have purified their minds through sadhana and are engaged in meditation. To such committed students alone would this book show light and be a true guide. To the unprepared, unmature students, the subtle thoughts contained in this Gita can be explosively dangerous and result in erasing their faith entirely from the higher reality."
Umm, guys...

>>11052101
That's just the usual blanket clause so when nonbelievers call you out on your bullshit you can claim they just don't understand. Every major "holy book" has it.

>>11052101
>>11052176
It's a sensible warning. That particular tract from what I can gather (haven't read it myself) is radically non-dualist. If you really delve deeply into that perspective it could fug you up good (thinking that everything is an illusion etc).
>>11051855
You don't actually believe that species don't exist do you? I guess that's the whole point of the criticism I linked: evolution necessitates a rejection of morphos when followed to its logical conclusion because forms are always prior to their particular instances. I don't know much about micro-organism, and would love to hear more from you as to their relevance to this debate. As for Guenon handwaiving things, I think it's just a matter of him not having the time to or space in his books to go into every question in detail. If there's any particular instance that stands out for you point it out to me.

>>11052275
>You don't actually believe that species don't exist do you?

You should know that a demonstration of the existence of species would come off much more sophisticated than gaslighting. I looked over the paper you sent and it makes great points that echo Rene Guenon's critique of scientific methodology, that there are many measures one can perform on a substance e.g. its size, weight, velocity, atomic structure, molecular constitution, etc. but that all of these are so many points of view, that are not mutually exclusive, of a substance. The substance itself is intuited directly via intellectual intuition, and is in some sense anterior to its accidents. For example, I can give an exhaustive list of all of the attributes, properties and measurements of a substance: but there is no way to determine if the account applies unless it is intuited that it is so.

So, in a Thomist-Aristotelian sense, strictly speaking the substance is never analytically definable:
>“The essential principles of things are unknown to us” (De Anima I, lect. I)
>“Essential differences are unknown to us” (De veritate IV, I ad 8; cf X, I, & ad 6)
>"Substantial forms are per se unknown to us” (De spiritualibus creaturis II ad 3)
>“We do not know even the essence of a fly” (In Symbolo apostolorum I)
>“Substantial differences, because they are unknown, are manifested by accidental differences” (In De generatione I, lect I.)
>“But even in the case of sensible things, essential differences are unknown to us; thus we have to signify them by incidental differences, which have their origin in what is essential, as when we designate a cause in terms of its effect” (De ente et essential 5)

But if the true essence of an organism is not analytically definable and we can only work in terms of incidental similarity, which we may as well call the regularity of the phenotype, then the problem is clear: there is no complete way to classify what incidental properties are essential and which are merely accidental to a species. This problem is not resolved by Nasr in his paper or addressed in Guenon. This is the obstacle I find in arguing against evolution on the basis of the form. If this isn't resolved, I don't see how it is clear to say what essentially belongs to a species and what causal role that form/species/eidos plays in the substance.

I would like to read more of Nasr. He's one of the few Traditionalists I've neglected to study at all. In some ways I feel that most of the "important stuff" has been laid out by Guenon leaving the others to deal with contemporary issues and scientific debates. Wolfgang Smith has some great material on quantum mechanics, as he is a physicist. He helped me break the illusion that a physical theory can ever exhaustively account for everything that exists.

>>11049573
Do you recommend in search of the miraculous?

>>11052577
No, Gurdjieff is about as counter-traditional as you get in the sense defined here
>>11051577

He inverts traditional concepts and symbols by viewing them through a lense that is alternately materialist and psychologically reductive, evolutionary, experimental, philosophically atomist, etc. The number of red flags he brings up is really quite remarkable. He even was trained as a hypnotist and claimed that "self-work" (what he called his methods, and attributed by extension to all traditional doctrines) was really just a matter of auto-hypnosis meant to "wake man up" so he could "live authentically", and that this required bringing up things repressed in the subconscious. Feel free to read him or read whoever you like, by all means don't let me stop you. Just FYI he is very far from the viewpoint of traditionalism.

>>11052577
http://www.studiesincomparativereligion.com/public/articles/Gurdjieff_in_the_Light_of_Tradition_Part_1-by_Whitall_Perry.aspx

Some material written about him by a traditionalist. Should be added to the list in this post tbqh
>>11049592

>>11050767
thank you

>>11052654
Your welcome. Enjoy. Grimes has some truly excellent lectures.

>>11052357
Ok, I understand your objection now. This is why we have traditional sciences. For example the sciences related to language and grammar. Traditionally the "name" of a thing is identical to its essence. The study of "names" in a traditional context allows us to intuit the essence of things. Other symbolic sciences like astrology and alchemy also pertain to a study of essences.

Quran, Surat al-Baqarah:
>He taught Adam all the names [of things], then He showed them to the angels and said, ‘Tell me the names of these if you truly [think you can].’
>They said, ‘May You be glorified! We have knowledge only of what You have taught us. You are the All Knowing and All Wise.’
>Then He said, ‘Adam, tell them the names of these.’ When he told them their names, God said, ‘Did I not tell you that I know what is hidden in the heavens and the earth, and that I know what you reveal and what you conceal?’

Let me know if this response relates to your objection, as it is still possible that I have misunderstood you.

>>11052663
I can't really make sense of plato without mystical references myself, does this mean i get plato or misunderstand him?

>>11052746
No, he's quite explicitly and openly "mystical", depending on the sense you use that term. He doesn't hide it. The fact that some people still somehow manage to miss this is pretty remarkable.

>>11052752
>>11052746
i.e. you probably get him.

>>11050056
I don't quite see why you keep linking to Timothy Winter in reference to perennialism, though.

He's explicitly against it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLmDnmTHbyw

The same goes for Sh. Hamza Yusuf, by the way.

It seems you think sufism=perennialism, which cannot be farther from the truth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00GfbWYRito

>>11052634
Thanks for your response.
What are your thoughts on Hall? I've read Secret Teachings and Lectures.

>>11052775
I know. But he's a good resource for Islam. Not all Muslims adopt a perennialist perspective, but that doesn't mean that someone who does can't benefit from their knowledge of the religion.
>>11052775
>sufism=perennialism
I don't think that and never claimed to.

>>11052800
Glad to hear that, then. I just see the idea that sufism is somehow perennialist, mainly because of the terrible translations of Mawlana Rumi's poetry, pop up a lot.

Are there any Traditional or Perennial works on Zoroastrianism?
>>11049592
Evolas book on this is going to be released later this year, I'm excited.
>>11049674
currently reading evola in this order, though I switched mysteries and hermetic. Overall very good

>>11052817
Also, keep in mind "perennialism" can mean different things depending on who is using the term. But, if I didn't believe that Islam is indeed the final revelation to man I would not have become a Muslim, so I definitely put a priority on my own religion. I still study other religions when it comes to matters of principles, cosmology, and such. They provide interetsing points of reference that very often coincide with material found within the Islamic tradition itself. First and foremost, though, I am a Muslim and not a perennialist.

Just want to know your guys' thoughts on Mircea Eliade, early on he seems very Traditionalist but later stops when he flees to the US and doesn't want to be outlandish

>>11052818
>Evolas book on this is going to be released later this year, I'm excited.
Source? Which publisher? In English translation?

>>11053020
It's arktos, the guys who translated "Recognitions" and "The Bow And The Club", they are releasing "Myth of the Blood" later this summer, and will release the work I mentioned "The Mask and Face of Contemporary Spiritualism" around Q4.
This is one of the first spiritual works they are releasing by him, whereas the rest of the stuff is usually just political stuff which I haven't gotten to. I'm still in the metaphysical stuff so I'll probably be ready for it when it comes out

>>11052758
Good when i was first introduced to his ideas it was in a very upright and logical fashion (stuff like the cave allegory just meaning profane truth) where i was like "wtf is this, this doesn't make sense in itself" then i realized one needs gnosis of the forms and all that shitsh and now i get it more.

good night bump

>ywn have a qt traditionalis gf

>>11053316
hold me brehs :^(

>>11053316
>>11053352
I think you just kind of have to realize that women won't ever conceive the idea of these systems because they already have spirituality and don't see the point. Henceforth, just get a woman and do whatever

>>11053316

>attend a class at the Yoga-class at a downtown studio that's 75% women
>amidst casual conversation inquire into whether any of them have a clue about the metaphysical principles underlying Yoga, or anything at all
>I can't even, literally what, I heard something about Patanjali being good, but I don't believe in Hinduism etc, Basic bitches had never even heard of Sankaracharya smdh etc
>In in a moment's reflection, I abandon all thoughts and return to the one pure awareness at the heart of everything
>In my desire to meet a girl interesting in Traditionalism and Metaphysical knowledge, I unintentionally erred and in my ignorance fell into the pit of believing in the reality of the phenomenal world, identifying myself with the body and female bodies with an other
>in a state a Dhyāna I shed my ignorance and attain the one actionless perfect consciousness that is always free, realizing that the Yoga studio and everyone in it is only my only non-dual self

>>11053484
>going to new age yoga class
>expecting to meet someone TRADITIONAL
Try joining an actual tradition maybe become muslim, anon[\spoiler]

>>11053501
not him but i'd rather move to india than be muslim, hinduism is a very nice.

Esse aqui é chegado nesses manos ai da lista...

olavetes entenderão kkkkkkkkkk

>>11049592
I don’t have that much money and my library doesn’t have guenon. What do you think of “The essential guenon”? Good summary?

>>11053501
>become muslim

I am interested in Islam, and specifically Ibn Arabi and Sufism, but honestly from the look of things in Islam the studying of and female participation in the discussion of metaphysical matters seems to be more limited than in other traditional cultures. In the Chinese and Indian worlds it's not unheard of for females to demonstrate knowledge of metaphysical matters, for them to spend time studying it and so on. An Indian girl born to a Brahmin family in modern India has a fairly good chance of having had the truth of everything explained to them at one point by their family members or affiliated people from the community.

In Islam, under the banner of an ostensibly exoteric and metaphysically-lacking text (albiet with beautifully poetic passages that also digress into the mystical) the esoteric metaphysics is almost entirely reserved for the intellectual elite, itself consisting for the most part of learned men and elders of the community. I'm aware that there are Sufi communities that still exist in the near east but even in these cases (correct me if I'm wrong) it is the male that participates in discussion and study sessions.

I say all of this respecting Islam as a tradition, and seeing Sufism as one of the truly more interesting ones. It's just that for the sake of meeting a wife with a solid understanding of metaphysical matters, I have the suspicion that most simply trust in Muhammad and the Quran; and as an adjunct the guidance of their local imam. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with this, but I'm more intrigued by the idea of marrying someone with a working knowledge of metaphysical principles that I can converse with.

>>11053604
give me the quick rundown on this meme

>>11053634
i haven't read it. his books can be found here:
https://archive.org/details/reneguenon

>>11053654
>>11053654
It's just how the religion is.

You can visibly see how conniving and inherently backstabbing women can be. It's not just 4chan, most places understand that women in general can just hate for no good reason at all. In general, they are inferior to men.

So are children for this same reason.

The Quran says all this and more. Confirmatory again, of very salient truths.

>>11053654
I just attended a Shadhili sufi gathering last week and there were almost as many women there as men. This isn't new age sufism, but an authentic north african tariqa. And sufism isn't for an intellectual elite, in places where sufism is still part of the texture of society like north africa most men participate in one to one extent or another. It's true knowledge that is restricted to an elite, and that "restriction" is not by convention but due purely to the fact that it is difficult to attain.

>>11053634
According to most Traditionalist writers, the "core" of Guenon's works are,
>Introduction to the Study of the Hindu Doctrines
>Man and His Becoming According to the Vedanta
>The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times
>Symbols of Sacred Science

>>11053721
I would add that "Crisis of the Modern World" is probably his most widely known and read book.

>>11053701
That sounds like a nice thing to participate in. I'm genuinely curious, have you met any women under 35 there who seemed to possess a comprehensive understanding of the key metaphysical teachings contained in Sufi doctrines?

>>11052634
is this what others say of him or did you read the books he wrote?

>>11053818
I've read his books, and participated in his "work groups". He openly says these things about himself.

>>11049573
Have you read pic related? Thoughts on hermeticism in general? I could see how it could be New Age (The secret).

>>11053865
Hermeticism is totally fine.The occult traditions that are loosely based on it are not.

>>11053656

He is an brasilian philosopher who enter in Schuon Tariqat in his youth...

http://www.olavodecarvalho.org/

>>11053900
>Olavo "Kant was retarded" de Carvalho
>philosopher

Escolhe um.

>>11053920
Guenon shits all over him too whenever he comes up in his writings, and for good reason. Kant is emblematic of the incessant desire of western philosophers to over-systematize everything, in the process getting so hung up on definitions and distinctions that any possibly of attaining metaphysical knowledge or reaching genuine transcendence. That one passage in 'Intro to the Hindu Doctrines' where he BTFO Kant using his own words is classic.

>>11053956
that any possibility becomes lost*

>>11053956
>the incessant desire of western philosophers to over-systematize everything

That's Aristotle's fault, meu nego.

>>11053880
Hmm. This is all still confusing to me. I've dipped my toe into the water of traditionalism but I guess I'm glad I read this thread before going to far. I can see how I was getting too utilitarian and syncretic in my reading.

But Evola practiced magic didn't he? The saints of all traditions performed miracles. I guess I have a heard time distinguishing between them.

Maybe occultism is the utilization of rites and practices without the spiritual background to reinforce it?

>>11053967
>start with the Greeks

>>11053956
>That one passage in 'Intro to the Hindu Doctrines' where he BTFO Kant using his own words is classic.
post it lmao

>>11053989
Evola is a controversial figure in the Traditionalist school. Not because of his sentiments with fascism, but because he didn't choose a tradition to follow. This is the reason why Evola was ostracized by the Traditionalists of his time, most of them being followers of Schuon. Still, Guenon kept a correspondence with him when no one else would. Even today, there are Traditionalist scholars who will grudgingly admit Evola had some profound insights.

>>11053956
A better question is, who hasn't BTFO Kant?

>>11054055
I don't want these threads to end up an endless series of pictures of his writing, but it's fun to post them because he so perfectly encapsulates the ideas he discussing. I honestly really enjoy his style of writing. He was a genuinely good author in the sense of having a way with words.

As an aside, here yet again one finds direct connections with most of the points Guenon makes in his writings with the early Vedantic literature and some earlier texts. Pic related is expounded in at length in Ashtavakra Gita, but in particularly in the line 'Knowledge, what is to be known, and the knower — these three do not exist in reality. I am the spotless reality in which they appear because of ignorance. 2.15'.

Many of the key ideas of the 'Traditionalist School' (discounting the ones this school holds about the West as this did not really exist then) were themselves expounded and commented on in the Vedas and earliest Vedanta writings, to say nothing of early Islamic and Chinese thought; the more you read both Guenon and primary sources (e.g. the various eastern texts) the more this becomes apparent.

(e.g. you can forget about that one periodic Theosophy who its attracted to these threads and likes to argue (albeit through deception and sleight-of-hand) that Guenon stole all it's ideas to found the Traditionalist school)

>>11054106

>>11054332
nothing personnel evola, but i love this meme

>>11054106
Am I the only one who doesn't like Schuon? He's a lot more exoteric, and as such removes kind of the point of the sacred vs sacerdotal.
>>11054332
okay, now this is epic

>>11054398
>Schuon
I feel sketchy about him as well. The stuff Segewick says about him...well, I hope it's untrue. But regardless, his writing has this typical g*rman (i think he's actually swiss) trait where he has to make up his own convoluted terminology (e.g. like Heidegger, Kant, Hegel, etc) instead of just relying on established ways of discussing these topics. Also:
>vertical wives

An interesting article I found written on whether the Quran teaches the doctrine of non-duality, to which the author argues in the affirmative. I would be curious to what some anons think about what the author notes about certain verses of the Quran appearing more metaphysical when translated in different (but apparently still correct) ways. Author notes and cites from Schuon, Nasr, Chittick etc.

http://www.perennialfoundation.org/resources/Documents/PDFs/Peter%20Samsel%20-%20Islam%20and%20the%20Vision%20of%20Non-Duality%20(1).pdf

conclusion

>That Islam bears within its own authoritative sources the essential doctrine of non-dualism is not
necessarily well recognized. Nevertheless, such a non-dual – or more properly unitive – vision is
absolutely central to the Qur’ān’s doctrinal presentation as well as to the broader Islamic spiritual
and intellectual tradition, as expressed most cogently in the metaphysics of tawḥīd and as given
witness to in the key Qur’ānic passages we have termed Qur’ānic mahāvākyas, in analogous
association with their Upaniṣadic and broader Vedāntic equivalents. Whether Vedāntic,
Qur’ānic or Schuonian, the potency of a lapidary, epigrammatic formulation – one that encapsulates
the essential meaning of metaphysical doctrine – to serve as a focus of contemplation
upon the Real so that It may be grasped in Its full significance is at once the point and the
promise of the mahāvākyas.

>>11054106
>Evola is a controversial figure in the Traditionalist school. Not because of his sentiments with fascism, but because he didn't choose a tradition to follow.
i think he also believed in personal initiation, for example using buddhist techniques, something that is nonsensical for someone like Guenon and i suppose most others traditionalists, for whom initiation is only possible if you link yourself to an unbroken chain of tradition that goes all the way back to a moment of divine intervention. it's a sort of deus otiosus worldview where god only intervenes in the world at certain points (at the beginning of a cycle) and then remain inaccessible the rest of the time, specially in the kali yuga

>>11054955
>The recognition of that which is "beyond both 'being' and 'nonbeing'" opens to ascetic realization possibilities unknown to the world of theism. The fact of reaching the apex, in which the distinction between "Creator" and "creature" becomes meta-physically meaningless, allows of a whole system of spiritual realizations that, since it leaves behind the categories of "religious" thought, is not easily understood: and, above all, it permits a direct ascent, that is, an ascent up the bare mountainside, without support and without useless excursions to one side or another. This is the exact meaning of the Buddhist ascesis; it is no longer a system of disciplines de-signed to generate strength, sureness, and unshakable calm, but a system of spiritual realization. Buddhism -and again later we shall see this distinctly- carries the will for the unconditioned to a limit that is almost beyond the imagination of the modem Westerner. And in this ascent beside the abyss the climber rejects all "mythologies," he proceeds by means of pure strength, he ignores all mirages, he rids himself of any residual human weakness, he acts only according to pure knowledge. Thus the Awakened One (Buddha), the Victor (Jina) could be called he whose way was unknown to men, angels, and to Brahma himself (the Sanskrit name for the theistic god). Admittedly, this path is not without dangers, yet it is the path open to the virile mind -viriya-magga. The texts clearly state that the doctrine is "for the wise man, the expert, not for the ignorant, the inexpert."15 The simile of the cutting grass is used: "As kusa grass when wrongly grasped cuts the hand, so the ascetic life wrongly practised leads to infernal torments."' The simile of the serpent is used: "As a man who wants serpents goes out for serpents, looks for serpents, and finding a powerful serpent grasps it by the body or by the tail; and the serpent striking at him bites his hand or arm or other part so that he suffers death or mortal anguish -and why is this? Because he wrongly grasped the serpent- so there are men who are harmed by the doctrines. And why is this? Because they wrongly grasped the doctrines.'

>>11050197
dude, YES YES YES

persons mentioned are my guiding compass these days, esp. Shaykhs Hamza and Abdal Hakim Murad (may Allah protect and preserve them)

where are you from and what do you do? i'm curious

>>11049573
how the fuck is perennialism traditionalism?
perennialism is revisionism 101

>>11054970
>unknown to the world of theism
what is exoteric/esoteric
what are egyptian scribes
what is popes fish hat

>>11053484
ah ha, then your linga meets the yoni, end of story

the main issue i see with this stuff, and correct if im wrong, but it seems to me to evolves from a context of massive printing, its basically like the plebs catching up to the schizophrenic information overload of the historically elite classes

>>11055376
many traditionalists make the distinction between religion and direct knowledge / initiation for some reason, so they make that split instead of exoteric/esoteric

>>11055374
what do you think traditionalism means? progressivism from 10 years ago?

>>11055381
what

>>11055430
no, thats why i ask how is perennialism traditionalism when its just progressivism from 200 years ago

>>11055428
from visiting european museums and the vatican i'd say that the gnostic/initiation and synchretical approaches were commonplace

>>11055433
how is it progressivism or from 200 years ago? have you read the Vedas?

>>11055442
perennialism isnt the vedas, perennialism is a synchretic revisionist approach to the vedas by proto-luciferian western dilletantes

How do I unfuck myself up?
I mean. I'm still religious, I believe in God but I read too much Guenon (everything he wrote in fact) and I understanding all too much...
And I wish I could return to a state of simple faith, battling my demons for an eternal life in heaven, etc.

In many ways, I think the warnings said here : >>11052101
>>11052275
are very true.

And yet it's just a perspective in my mind. If I could develop amnesia, it would be over.

>>11055489
you just need some small psychotic episode or a war

>>11055494
a war of ideas?

>>11055494
I think I'll do well without schizophrenia.
Why a war though?

>>11055502
nuclear preferably

>>11055504
just a bit of schizophrenia though, not too much you lose yourself, but just a small insight into chaotic meaningfulness

cause war pushes you really fucking hard into action, the issue with non-duality and passivenes is that its only transcendent when its actually a radical position, thats why its historically connected to self-abnegation and self-flagellation

this is just my opinion though

>>11055518
The goal of human life is to become at peace with yourself. Schizophrenia, even mild, is the direct opposite of that.
I just want to fully embrace the Christian's idea of "God is Love" and "You'll find back your friends in paradise" without worrying about the all too cold and sterile perspective of Hinduism/liberation.
Still without Guenon I'd still be an atheist/new age wanderer so it was probably a benediction somehow.

Just some ramblings. Otherwise this is a good thread.

>>11055372
Currently unemployed, I've held a number of odd jobs, but no career. I'm a recent convert to Islam and I've found their lectures helpful. I was raised in the US but my parents are immigrants.

>>11055571
>The goal of human life is to become at peace with yourself
Well here is where we disagree, i think the whole human experience is a representation of the decrypting a message. The message being the unspeakable name of God, to express it somehow.
I think our experience of life is like some sort of glove surrounding the touch of God, at some point the glove breaks(death) and we receive the full touch, and our active work during life to toughen our souls for it ,is what determines if our souls burns upon its touch or if we simply merge with it. This is heaven/hell, or the whole Egyptian judgement/scale thing.

>I just want to fully embrace the Christian's idea of "God is Love
I don't think this is what the Christian idea is at all, Christianity is a revolution on Judaic apathy to me, its the expelling of the merchants from the temple, the rejection of the idea of the silent God. God is Love in the sense that self-sacrifice is Love, and this ultimate self-abnegation is what God's way is.

>" and "You'll find back your friends in paradise"
I think this is encompassed in the idea of a reunition with God after death, death being here the final rest of a life lived on bloody and suffering pursuit of God's will on earth, the cleansing of sin via ultimate self-sacrifice

>>11055451
traditionalism is anti-syncretic and anti-luciferian (to be fair i don't know what you're specifically referring to with that latter designation).

>>11055489
You need to realize that the points of view of religion and metaphysics do not and cannot come into conflict because they exist on different levels. I'm a religious person, specifically Muslim, and also a traditionalist, for example.

>>11055592
i agree, thats why i asked how where perennialism and traditionalism connected

>>11055598
perennialism refers to the level of metaphysical knowledge. There are differences when it comes to many things between religions, but not when it comes to metaphysical principles which are the same everywhere although expressed in different symbolic forms. That's the perennial point of view that most traditionalists adopt some form of.

>>11053484
read pic related

>>11055606
>but not when it comes to metaphysical principles
but this is exactly the revisionist view of it i was refering to, its modern western synchretism

>>11055595
All traditionalists are religious though. Well, all regular ones. It is meaningless to dabble into this if you do not adhere to a tradition (Evola for example).
But yes I understand it's merely a problem of perspective. Let use the sky as an example for exoterism/esoterism.
Just as I see the sky blue while knowing it is actually colorless and dark. The knowledge is preventing me from marvelling at its beauty. But I'll get better.

>>11055590
I really like the glove metaphor. And actually I do think the same. And "merging with the hand" so to speak. Is to be at peace.
I like Dostoeivsky's perspective on this "being happy is doing God's will. All the saints were happy"

>>11055613
that's not syncretism, no one is mixing religions or religious practices. Unless you're a relativist you should believe that the Truth is the same everywhere and at all times. Metaphysical knowledge is inherently inexpressible, therefore symbolic forms can vary from place to place and time to time, but they point to the same singular truth.

>>11055621
synchretism isnt necesarilly relativist, you are just arguing for the validity of synchretism, theological approaches in each of the merged traditions disagree on the idea that they are all reconciliable in a single corpus

>>11055620
I agree but i think the Christian approach is that of radical pursuit of immanentization of the material, and im Christian, again, just my opinion, or rather my conscious choice. Like i think faith corresponds more to trust than to belief, upon cosmic paranoia i chose to trust

>>11055620
>All traditionalists are religious though
Guenon wouldn't consider Hinduism a religion, so it depends how your using that term. My point is that metaphysics and religion cannot contradict one another. They refer to different domains. So the poster I was responding to had a false dilemma. He was perturbed by what he felt were metaphysical insights in the writing of Guenon and such and he felt thay this prevented him from living a religious life. Since you mention the sky, I would add that this whole world is a marvelous symbol of the unmanifest reality lying behind it.

>>11055626
What I'm saying is simple:
religion A =\= religion B
metaphysics = metaphysics = metaphysics etc

>>11055637
yeah, thats the view of perennial philosophy

>>11055626
Yeah. Then carry on anon!

>>11055633
I'm the same poster :)
And of course, the dillema might be false on a practical way to live your life. But on the plans of ideas it is very real.
Let me explain
Religious perspective : Live well and you'll go to heaven, meet back your friends and then at the resurrection you'll live eternally with God.

Esoteric perspective : Live well and you'll go to heaven BUT you probably won't have your memory/personality from earth. Also hell is more complex than burning; most people will just assume a new individuality in another world comparable to animals or vegetals
Also "you" won't live forever. At the end of the cycle, God will absorb everything... but He might bring you back as an angel in the new cycle (so you won't be the same person anyway)

Though I know I'm just a whiny modern fallen man. I understand the doctrine with individualistic kaliyugan sensibilities. I guess I'm just rely afraid of my soul/ego dying.
Somehow, the final verse of Stairway to Heaven put me at ease. When the Apocatastasis happens it will be only bliss, bliss, bliss.
I've got to go for now. I'll reply later if you have something to add. Have a nice day.

>>11055662
the thing is you could see the religious perspective as the exoteric expression of the esoteric notions, which means they don't contradict themselves but rather the esoteric is a big-brain-nigga explanation of the exoteric

>>11055669
like the distinction devolves from posing a semiotic distinction that in my view is just noise produced from the unexpected appearance of mass printing and currents like protestanism

>metapoosics
into the trash it goes

>>11055675
of course this view pressuposes some notion of the world's metaphysical corpus following a khun-like tree-shaped (r)evolution (connected by a Jungian-tier collective unconscious), which would validate some kind of unaware perennialism (disconnected from the Perennial Philosophy, but still, perennial) and kill traditionalist arguments

>>11055686
aw come on that's distasteful

>>11055975
do you expect taste from /pol/plebs?
come on that's naive

>>11053683
Wrong.
The Quran actually puts an emphasis on the importance of mothers and gave women many privileges.

Why did these guys have such a huge fetish for brown people religions? Was it cultural self-hatred?

>>11056520
Nah, brown people just have top notch religions.

>>11056520
Ancient Indians were whiter than you, M. 56%

>>11056520
cause they were uneducated

Can anyone provide me insight on the role of morality in traditionalist thought? I read Guenon's book of Hindu doctrines and it seems that he regards moralism within western religion as sort of a sentimental degeneration of true tradition, but I guess I am a bit unclear. He converted to Islam after all so I imagine there is more to his thoughts on morality than I am getting.
Also just out of curiosity, are there any Catholic authors within the traditionalist school? I've seen Seraphim Rose for the Orthodox, but nothing much for the Catholic side of it.

>>11056614
>Catholic authors
Ananda Coomaraswamy's son, Rama Coomaraswamy.

>>11056697
>>11056614
I found that book by him
https://portalconservador.com/livros/Rama-Coomaraswamy-The-Destruction-of-the-Christian-Tradition.pdf

Thoughts on Arturo Reghini and the rest of the UR group?
>>11056520
You may like Evola more then, wrote a lot about European paganism, specifically Roman, Greek, and as well Irish/Arthurian

>>11055586
I'm a slightly "older" revert myself, with a strong leaning towards tasawwuf myself. Currently hunting down a tariqa which is said to be close to me.

If you'd like to keep in touch, we can exchange ideas through email. Omaralkemis@gmail.com

>>11056798
Sweet, I'll shoot you an email. Is al-Kemis basically a reference to alchemy?

>>11056840
Ha, yeah. Made the email address when I was younger and more pretentious, so it was like a faux-Arabic way of referring to alchemy, which I was quite interested in at the time. If only I could get a tenth of the time that I spent on alchemy back and invest it in hifz and I'd be a triple hafiz by now.

>>11056783
>https://portalconservador.com/livros/Rama-Coomaraswamy-The-Destruction-of-the-Christian-Tradition.pdf
>>11056697

Thank you very much. It is very sad to see that almost all Catholic traditionalism has to fight so hard again modern change, even more so than Islam or the Indian traditions.. I can only hope this changes with time.

>>11056934
Yes.
There's no traditional priests near I live and I fear sacraments might not be valid if I don't take them in latin.

>>11056950
but the bible is written in greek...

>>11056956
Catholicism is a very strange religion.
Bibile in Hebrew and greek and sacraments/mass in latin.
What really matters is the spiritual chain of transmission. If you break it it's not valid and the spirit isn't there.

>>11056956
I think he is trying to say that within the Latin Catholic Church, to adhere to tradition one must partake in the sacraments which are expressed in the proper language. Thus, for the Eastern Catholic Church one would take the sacraments in a Greek liturgical setting since that corresponds to their tradition. It is not so much about the Bible but rather the tradition of the sacraments that emerged out of it and developed with a distinct mode of expression with symbols whose meanings are universal, but symbols that nonetheless cannot be adequately changed from one setting to another without losing deeper purpose.

>>11056963
that's why tibetan buddhism works - every now and then a master finds a terma and starts a new fresh and uncorrupted transmission linage.

>>11056970
Yup. Unfortunately I'm a westerner and I'm built for Christianism.
I don't think it's truly possible for a non-asian to become a buddhist/Hindu except exceptional cases. Most of the time you need to be born in the country.
That's why Guenon became a muslim even though he understood Hinduism very well.

>>11056968
Eastern Orthodox do the liturgy in the local languge, e.g. "church slavonic" in Russia, Romanian in Romania, Greek in Greece etc

MITHRAS
good initiatic path, very solar and has the whole FATHER rank

>>11056999
There is no initiatic transmission of Mithraism to the present day, and our knowledge about it is too fragmentary for a reconstruction.

>>11056950
I forget which book this is from, but there's a whole segment about the fact that persecution against the Church led them to be unable to take sacrament basically, and that they should do it in their homes on their own.

There's also a cool part where he mentions that women used to shave their heads and men were not supposed to wear hats as they were associated with power (likely due to material), but "as soon as one person stops these customs, we no longer have them" or something to that affect. Basically pray however you want to, take the sacrament however you want to, but do it with respect in your self for the entire thing. Whatever respect is to you is what counts

>>11049573
If Traditionalism is about every spiritual path leading to a single Sophia Perennis, wouldn't that just make you guys ecumenists by another name? Or am I misrepresenting Traditionalism?

How do you guys avoid getting lumped together with those bourgeois New Age multiculti types?

>>11057023
>How do you guys avoid getting lumped together with those bourgeois New Age multiculti types?
A couple ways. Traditionalism is:
- anti-modern (i.e. ideological modernity, not against technology or something)
- staunchly pro-Orthodoxy in religion
- against syncretism

>>11056980
I've grown up secular atheist with a short visit to Christianity my mother tried to read the bible for me but i refused because i were an autist who was very clearly a scientist autist. So i feel nearly as closely connected in how i was raised to Buddhism as Christianity + if i ever became a monotheist it would be something like xenofanes conception of god which clearly refuses the way the old testament presents him, god is in this instance beyond how human beings function at all, maybe neoplatonism would be interesting put it's hard to go there without becoming a larper. Right now i'm agnostic borderline apatheistic but i'm really agnostic about even this. There lives a lot of great buddhist masters in my country and i've heard stories about the possibility of a great five year retreat they will have as soon as people are ready, so i think Buddhism soon will become truly established in the west.

>>11057007
All traditions are degenerated, and if not they will, Kali Yuga and all. What need is there for a constant transmission until today? Freemasonry degenerated, Islam degenerated, Buddhismus degenerated.
And there are known the rituals from right before it transformed into Alexandrian hermeticism

>>11057023
the preservation of the tradition is a strong contrast to new age which does the opposite.

>>11057060
>What need is there for a constant transmission until today?
Because every time a dead religion is "revived", it always results in nothing more than one's political/social ideology dressed in whatever scant details that have been preserved from the original.

>Freemasonry degenerated
Freemasonry was just a bunch of rich 18th century European gentlemen larping as secret orders while pushing for Enlightenment deism. Something that's already degenerate can't degenerate any further.

>Islam degenerated
Traditional Islam still exist and is fighting back against the explosive spread of Wahhabism. Ramzan Kadyrov reviving Sufi orders in Chechnya and the Houthis trying to restore the Zaydi imamate, etc.

>Buddhismus degenerated
Don't really know much about the current situation of Buddhism as a whole, but Theravada Buddhism seems to be uncucked and actually quite militant in Sri Lanka and Myanmar.

>>11057114
>Something that's already degenerate can't degenerate any further.
they promote feminism and islamization now

>>11057114
Gautama buddha explicitly says "stay outta politics" there are mayanmar buddhists who are degenerated anti-muslim and violent. There is a reason why he chose not to be a prince anymore and the same with padmasambhava.

>>11057114
The political cannot be separated from the spiritual, one is a lesser war while the other is a holy war.

>>11057142
a materialist speaking

Practice pure metaphysics, exoteric is profane and sacerdotal

>>11057142
its
spirit > culture > politics

>>11057150
No, I am left hand path. Use the material world as a way of struggling towards the truth, instead of the ascetic right hand path of original Buddhism, of Christianity.

>>11057161
left hand path is degenerate if not outright demonic

>>11057161
isn't "le left hand path" just a meme created by crowley to fuck boi pussi

>>11057134
The logical consequences of Enlightenment ideology. That was an inevitability, not degeneration.

>>11057139
>British colonizers bring in Bengali Muslims into Buddhist Arakan for cheap labor
>Muslims receive arms from British to fight the Japanese, massacre native Rakhines instead
>Muslims chimp out 60 years later and declare allegiance to ISIS, killing more Rakhines
>why are they so violent and mean to Muslims hurr

I think /lit/ would make good Freemasons.

It's got perennialism that accommodates both left and right wing perspectives, emphasis on classical 7 liberal arts and sciences, love of the ancient mystery schools and Plato.

>>11057188
>The logical consequences of Enlightenment ideology. That was an inevitability, not degeneration.

No, Enlightenment values reason over everything else, thats how it derived its values, there is no reasonable argument for Islamization or Feminism, its happening because the values of Enlightenment have become slogans and lost all meaning, they have become dogmatized and even personified, its like we have turned this values into a pantheon of Gods and now we are trying to fix floods and temperature changes by appeasing them

>>11057188
>why are they so violent and mean to Muslims hurr
Yes why are they? Violence just creates more violence. I would be angry too but i do not claim to be a master - the tibetan buddhists where send into concentration camps and still tried to rid themselves of hatred even though everyone they loved where killed, why? because they actually follow the moral doctrines.

>>11055686
reminder that muslims are what traditional catholics should be, but they got cucked by Vatican II

>>11057200
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEdbSEcokmk

the problem is you have to be invited to freemasonry, and most of us are autistic neets who would never be allowed anywhere near a lodge

>>11057203
The cult of reason is exactly what let to feminism and Islamization. Traditional sex roles and national sovereignty are indefensible when they're deconstructed through rationalism. Everyone is seen as an atomized individual regardless of any biological or cultural distinctions. Also, neoliberal capitalism (another product of Enlightenment ideology) has a vested interest in turning women from homemakers to workers/consumers as well as importing Muslim immigrants en masse to keep labor costs down.

>>11057211
The difference is that Rakhines are fighting in self-defense while the Rohingya are clearly the aggressors in this situation. By your logic, the Swiss were just as morally reprehensible as the Habsburg invaders for defending their homeland by arms and that William Tell was a monster.

>>11057245
Muslims got cucked by Wahhabism when the petrodollars started flowing out in the 1950s.

>>11057297
>Muslims got cucked by Wahhabism when the petrodollars started flowing out in the 1950s
tough but true

>>11057294
>the problem is you have to be invited to freemasonry
Patently false. You have to go to their lodge and ask them yourself to join.

>>11057312
>>11057297
majority of the muslim world hate the wahabis

>>11057297
>when they're deconstructed through rationalism
id say deconstruction is semiotic not rational, and that through reason one can understand why Islamization and Feminism are counterproductive to a reason-based society

>>11057182
>>11057177
no evola explains it quite well, Tantra is a good example

>>11057352
right hand is superior

>>11057053
what country is that

>>11057329
Then why is it that the "rational" countries in West are the ones with those kinds of problems?

>>11056520
Hmm let's see. What "white" religions are there:

>Cucktholicism
>pagan LAPRing
>borderline-satanic evangelicism

and that's it. really makes you wonder why someone would look elsewhere for truth..

>>11057400
cause they are no longer rational, rationality brought forth values that could enhance it, then irrationality erupted at the beggining of XXth centhury and the values diluted into a pantheon of Gods who we now try to appease by doing irrational rituals, we went from rationality to a culture of moving-images (electric dreams) that cargo-cults rational era while fully appealing and manipulating irrational forces within us

>>11057441
like whats the answer after jihaad terrorism? MORE ISLAM, TOLERANCE IS MAD WITH US, WE AREN'T PRAISING IT ENOUGH

we are full blown techno animism

voodoo against politicians and other leaders is performed on our screens everyday, we stick symbols in their 2d reproductions

>>11057408
Scientology

>>11057441
Rationalism caused all this. When traditional religion and culture are discredited by reason, the masses are going to latch onto secular ideologies like feminism and multiculturalism at extreme lengths just to fill in the spiritual void they experience in a demystified, meaningless society. Saying that it's not true rationalism is about as meaningful as saying Stalinism and the Khmer Rouge were not true communism.

>>11057486
L Ron Hubbard was the 10th avatar of Vishnu

>>11057505
>Rationalism caused all this
no, the camera and the first world war did

>>11057512
*Adolf Hitler

>>11057505
also, rationalism doesn't exclude God, it just dispells illusions, but it did so in the form of rhetoric and disertations, this went to shit with the cinematographic camera and the idea of montage, it really is what opened the modern pandora box, everything can be rooted to that, because it mixes real life images with implicit story-telling to create convincing hallucinations

>>11057520
No, Hitler was a pleb compared to an enlightened master like Hubbard

>>11057525
It definitely excludes religion, though, since it is neither empirically provable nor falsifiable. That's why deism was trendy during the Enlightenment.

>>11057546
depends if by religion you mean "the bible" or the liturgy derived from it

just ordered some books, how did i do?

when u see it you will shit brix

>>11057954
math is necessary to a metaphysical life

>>11057203
>No, Enlightenment values reason over everything else, thats how it derived its values, there is no reasonable argument for Islamization or Feminism
enlightenment is anti-essence, those movements make no sense if you have a concept of the world where things have essences

>>11057211
>the tibetan buddhists where send into concentration camps and still tried to rid themselves of hatred even though everyone they loved where killed, why? because they actually follow the moral doctrines.
for some branches of buddhism the moral doctrines are secondary, they are only used because they serve as the perfect basis for spiritual attainment, not as ends in themselves

>>11057328
everybody starts hating the thing that cucks them, but they get cucked nonetheless

>>11057408
>>pagan LAPRing
everything is larping when you are trying to reconquer something, in a time when you can't claim just a natural free disposition to spirituality

yes, larping mostly fails, doesn't mean it always does

>>11057515
ww1 was a result of forcing the germans to fail in line with the enlightenment worldview (and dominance) of the anglos

>>11057954
why the ridiculous "P" thing at the top of the graph to make it fit?

>>11058445
to make the resemblance more obvious

>>11057678
before you read guenon's other works read his 'intro to hindu doctrines', the first half is not specifically about Hinduism and reading it will make you understand his other books as well as eastern/trad thought much better, you can find it for free on archive.org

>>11058761
seems forced

>>11058795
I'm just reading them in order of when they came out, is that fine?

>>11056614
As Guenon repeats throughout his books 'everything must be considered in it's own place' (in the hierarchy of things). He uses that line all the time as a qualification when talking about the flaws of the west and how things like logic are not necessarily bad but can be when taken to the extremes to the demise of real knowledge. My reading of him is that he is obviously pro-morality and pro-moral behavior (or else why would he be complaining about the degeneration of the modern world and the Kali Yuga etc) but when he writes about morality in that book he is arguing against the bland and sentimental moralism that has come to chracterize modern Christianity outside of the most Traditional Catholic/Orthodox wings.

Moral behavior is paramount and an understanding or moral behavior is part of what upholds traditional culture but proper morality should be regarded as an application of the highest metaphysical principles to the sphere of daily interaction. For example Hindu 'morality' includes non-violence in respect of the fact that Brahman is present in all living beings and that intentionally harming another being is in a way a cosmic injustice, and also for the reason that anger and ill-will is part of what constitutes bondage to samsara (for example in Upadesasahasri Sankaracharya talks about how the truth of non-dualism means that it's wrong to treat people poorly for being low-caste).

This is completely different from western morality which is often just a transient value-judgment particular to a culture and era without being based in any higher principal. Part of what's wrong with western and some Christian moralizing is that morality is at times taken as an end in itself and becomes a type of narrow-minded proselytism which insists others follow an arbitrary judgement simply because it's 'right' but without any dialogue or understanding of principals. The closest thing to a Traditional/eastern morality in modern Christianity today would be the homeless shelters, food kitchens and other charity provided by churches to the poor because of everyone being equally 'god's creatures'.

>>11057028
This, it seems similar on a surface level but is actually diametrically opposed. The new age movement is mostly a simplification and corruption of the actual traditional teachings.

>>11057114
Buddhism has not really degenerated. There are some east Asian schools that have become too 'religious' and some Theravada schools may have become a little too westernized in thought but there are still tens of millions of practicing Traditional Buddhists. Tibetian Buddhism was massively influenced by several different branches of Hindu thought, and Zen and Chan Buddhism were massively influenced by Daoism and Confucianism. Despite being ostensibly a rejection of Vedic teachings Buddha (who had studied Vedic texts) taught many of the same ideas, A. Coomaraswamy goes so far as to argue he even taught the same metaphysics but with a different emphasis. The branches that have been influenced by Hinduism, Daoism etc are still thoroughly traditional, Tibetian Buddhism is rife with crypto non-dualism etc.

>>11059064
that's totally fine

>>11058431
>>11057297

I'm talking from the mahayana view, and here the end is to benefit others, here compassion and wisdom are like the wings of a bird - if one is missing it's impossible to fly. If you want this explained in a more esoteric sense the vajra symbolizes the masculine aspect and the bell the female aspect, the central properties of these genders are male symbolizing compassion and female symbolizing wisdom, this is the most basic symbolism of these.

Compassion is the ground for all the teachings and wisdom (and power/this is later) is the tool to guide and actualize this compassion.

>>11059646
Guenon discusses the symbolism of the vajra in "Symbols of the Sacred Science". There's a lot more to it than that.

>>11059652
i know, but compassion and wisdom is the central things to focus on at the current level.

bump

Having a bad hash trip, help me sufi bros.

>>11060660
Don't smoke hash in future, it's haram. As for your current bad trip: Just sit somewhere quiet and relax. Find someway to pass the time. You'll come back down from the high eventually.

>>11060660
are you able to throw up?
If so do it, i always feel better afterwards.
-the one talking about buddha dharma

>>11057053
>so i think Buddhism soon will become truly established in the west.
Everything that has happened within the last decade has shown the likelihood of that happening is extremely small, Buddhism in the west is on the decline and sanghas are closing their doors to western initiates.

>>11061362
in my experience buddhism is getting less pop and more authentic in the west.
I foresee it becoming truly established but i do not expect many people converting just now, maybe in the future, i don't know about that. We live in the age of decline so i'm just grateful that you can soon live in the west and get the teachings, initiations and transmissions you need to be a full practitioner.

>>11061422
The thing is, as buddhism becomes more authentic, it will lose its mainstream appeal. The people who now cling to being "buddhist" use buddhism as a means to relax enough to be able to continue living their vapid, materialistic lives without committing suicide. As soon as buddhism reveals itself to be more than just a tool for you to be able to squeeze more profit out of life, people won't be as eager to invest in it.

Mark my words: Authenticity is what will keep westerners from buddhism.

>>11061469
Who cares about the mainstream appeal?
As long as it is an established tradition with the right initiation and teaching that can keep itself alive i'm happy.

>>11060672
>it's haram

is it really though? I thought the Quran just forbids wine

>>11062116
It forbids intoxicants

>>11061469
>buddhism reveals itself to be more than just a tool for you to be able to squeeze more profit out of life
Isn't "cessation of suffering" the best way to do just that?
>>11061422
I agree. Ratio of good to bad Dharma being readily available is so much better in western world, on top of that typical westerner mind has much better grasp on Emptiness.

>>11062970
>Once detachment, viveka, is interpreted mainly in this internal sense, it appears perhaps easier to achieve it today than in a more normal and traditional civilization. One who is still an "Aryan" spirit in a large European or American city, with its skyscrapers and asphalt, with its politics and sport, with its crowds who dance and shout, with its exponents of secular culture and of soulless science and so on—among all this he may feel himself more alone and detached and nomad than he would have done in the time of the Buddha, in conditions of physical isolation and of actual wandering. The greatest difficulty, in this respect, lies in giving this sense of internal isolation, which today may occur to many almost spontaneously, a positive, full, simple, and transparent character, with elimination of all traces of aridity, melancholy, discord, or anxiety. Solitude should not be a burden, something that is suffered, that is borne involuntarily, or in which refuge is taken by force of circumstances, but rather, a natural, simple, and free disposition. In a text we read: "Solitude is called wisdom fekattam monam akkhātam] he who is alone will find that he is happy";" it is an accentuated version of "beata solitudo, sola beatitudo, "

My copy of pic related is coming in the mail today, I'm not going to give it a full read until I'm done with Mystery of the Grail, but I'll read a short bit and tell you my thoughts.

>>11063009
sauce?

>>11063370
http://www.e-reading.club/bookreader.php/1058710/Evola_-_The_Doctrine_of_Awakening.html

>>11063321
the book is more purple than i thought it was, as well as pretty anti-christian. don't know how mussolini was scared of this like in >>11050367

>>11064057
is it explicitly anti-christian? didn't remember that

>>11064121
Mainly by Arturo Reghini (pietro negri) and Guilio Parise (Luce), they were Pythagorean Freemasons and both tried to have "coup" in the group
Apparently this is only the first two volumes of UR as well, with others not being translated in here and the introduction references many authors who are not in the book

>>11064527
which other languages are the rest?

>>11064563
They are all italian journals, and apparently Renato Del Ponte (the translator), compiled them in italian for other books but still didn't translate them into english. However a lot of those articles were also forming the basis of other works, like both Yoga of Power and Revolt agains the modern world had their core articles in journals (though Yoga of Power was in Ignis edited by Reghini, and not UR). So maybe he doesn't see a point for it

René Guenon really believe in existence of Atlantis? and Agartha?

>>11064614
don't believe so, though there is a spiritual correlation to it with a mythical heaven of sorts that has fallen or that people leave for and never return

>>11064614
We actually don't know if Atlantis once existed desu

Can Protestants be Traditionalists, too? Emmanuel Swedenborg is /ourguy/, r-right?

>>11065064
Despising Protestantism is like the one things that all the Traditionalists are unanimously united on.

>>11065245
this, if anything it is inherently anti-traditional

Any good traditionalist writing on the pre-Christian ages of Yugoslavia?

>>11065245
>>11065290
Not all Protestants. Swedenborg wrote a lot on his mystical experiences with the divine, which are remarkably similar to Sufism according to Henry Corbin. Even Johnny Appleseed (a Swedenborgian) could be seen as a Western counterpart to the Sufi ascetics. I guess the problem is that Swedenborg was not as successful in restoring mysticism into Protestantism as al-Ghazali was with Sunni Islam.

>>11065245
That's not entirely true. While they reject ProtestantISM, they don't necesarrily reject protestants, as there are protestants whose writings are considered genuinely metaphysical/esoteric/mystical.

>>11053406
>because they already have spirituality
What do you mean? Please elaborate.

>>11065425
He's probably conflating the term "spirituality" with some kind of vague sentimentality, which is not at all the sense in which traditionalists conceive it.

>>11065425
Exactly as Evola states, they already have the Grail, the Philosophers Stone. They don't need to work towards apotheosis, it is already in them

>>11065436
Evola did mention in The Mystery of the Grail that women don't ever go on a quest searching for the Holy Grail because they already possess it. That anon might be onto something.

>>11065450
I can't tell if it's apotheosis as i said in >>11065446
but that's pretty much where I'm getting it from and thinking it is, as well as my sampling of hermetic tradition for another source. Metaphysics of sex is still far down the list so I won't know too much about it but hopefully there are more explanations before I get to that work

Is NOFAP Traditional? Some Hindu sources say it's alright but I'd like your opinions

>>11065806
If you're an ascetic then yes. If you aren't an ascetic then getting married asap is the traditional thing to do.

>>11065806
Depends on your TRADITION

>>11065806
Yes, self-control and conquering your own lust is a basic step of spiritual growth and controlling your own mind/thoughts. Even if you are not trying to achieve complete liberation etc it will still help focus you in other aspects of your life including possibly making you more likely to chat up and date girls.

I was wondering, how might one get into Hinduism? Not just book and scripture wise (though that would help), but also in practice with a temple and mediation and the like. I am going into the military so I don't know if they even have that type of stuff
>>11066155
well I can already get girls, just have been living alone for the past 6 months getting ready for my adult life. Even denied a couple girls who tried to pull off my pants in high school, was raised with the wait til marriage stuff in mind. But thank you for your answer

>>11066668
Even setting aside the girls, not indulging lust and practicing abstinence is widely renowned in the ancient for traditions as being conducive to spiritual growth, energy, self-control etc. The Daoists believe semen contains vital forces and would make it their goal to have sex without cumming.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoist_sexual_practices

>>11066747
strange, why even have sex at that point?

>>11066823

>Another important concept of "The Joining of the Essences" was that the union of a man and a woman would result in the creation of jing, a type of sexual energy. When in the act of lovemaking, jing would form, and the man could transform some of this jing into qi, and replenish his lifeforce. By having as much sex as possible, men had the opportunity to transform more and more jing, and as a result would see many health benefits.[6]

>The concept of Yin and yang is important in Taoism, and consequently also holds special importance in sex .... Every interaction between Yin and Yang had significance. Because of this significance, every position and action in lovemaking had importance. Taoist texts described a large number of special sexual positions that served to cure or prevent illness.[12]

etc etc, Tantrism also has lots of sex rituals with supposed spiritual benefits, Evola delves into that stuff a bit in his book on it. There's also that it just feels good. For some it could just be a way to have sex and make your wife feel good without losing lifeforce/essence/energy/concentration etc. from ejaculating.

>>11066857
>Tantrism also has lots of sex rituals with supposed spiritual benefits, Evola delves into that stuff a bit in his book on it. There's also that it just feels good. For some it could just be a way to have sex and make your wife feel good without losing lifeforce/essence/energy/concentration etc. from ejaculating.

Crowley also talks of this in his "De Arte Magica"
>Like the Jews, the wise men of India have a belief that a certain particular Prana, or force, resides in the Bindu, or semen. But all their theory of magick and meditation being a reverbatory, so that their "communing with God", is but a "communing with Self", and all their artifice directed to development of the powers in their own bodies and minds, as opposed to the Western idea of extending those powers to bear sway over others, we find naturally that just as they seek to restrain the breath altogether, or to avoid its violent extrusion from the nostrils, lest the Prana thereof be lost to them, and as they even practice to suck up water into the rectum, so that in defaecation they may be able to retain the Apana, or particular virtue thereof, and replace it in the Svadistthana-cakkra, so also much more do they extravagantly labour to retain the prime Prana of life, the Bindu.

>Therefore they stimulate to the maximum its generation by causing a consecrated prostitute to excite the organs, and at the same time vigorously withhold by will. After some little exercise they claim that they can deflower as many as eighty virgins in a night without losing a single drop of the Bindu. Nor is this ever to be lost, but reabsorbed through the tissues of the body. The organs thus act as a siphon to draw constantly fresh supplies of life from the cosmic reservior, and flood the body with their fructifying virtue.

But for example in Tibetan trad. medicine, the "physical semen" is regarded as waste substance, in contrast to the pre-semen or "Ojas", so basically simple sexual arousal, even without the sexual release, would be regarded as Ojas being lost.

>>11065806
It is a way of life and way more dedicated than some "NoFap"

Look up Brahmacharya.

The nofap people have stumbled upon the first steps of the Path. But this energy has to be raised consciously instead of denying it, while avoiding the dissipation of orgasm.

Are there any christians here who subscribe to the perennialist worldview? I am eastern orthodox and my problem is that if all religions are valid, why be christian at all? It feels like it just diminishes my faith in christ.

>>11067564
From what I have understood people like Guénon converted to Islam (or Sufism) because they were interested unbroken, initiatic lineage that could be traced to the Prophet Muhammed himself. Many perennialist authors converted to Islam because they saw it as something living, unbroken tradition from the times of the founder himself.

As far as I know, same cannot be said of Christianity and I think Guénon found it somehow "dead, empty ritualism" if I recall correctly. He also felt that he could not "convert" to Hinduism without being born to a Hindu caste etc. even though he valued Vedanta highly to his old days.

>>11066668
6666
Hmm...

>>11067498
Care to elaborate further?

>>11067564
What do you mean by valid? From the Orthodox view other traditions are only valid insofar as they approximate the Truth to varying degrees but because they do not have Christ they do not have the fullness of the Truth.

I just finished reading Dumitru Staniloae's Orthodox Dogmatic Theology and it completely destroyed any perennialist sympathies I had. Basically, an Absolute that isn't personal but absolutely simple essence doesn't allow for a real Theosis.

bump

Just finished Mystery of the Grail, and he ended on a good note on his argument against Freemasonry

>>11065245
durr

>>11067579
Has Guenon ever examined Eastern Christianity in detail? I can understand why he would have seen Catholicism as overly intellectualized, but I can't see how anyone would see the likes of Palamite theology as empty ritualism.

>>11068352
>Basically, an Absolute that isn't personal but absolutely simple essence doesn't allow for a real Theosis.

care to elaborate? no offensive but it seems like kind of a basic and entry-level realization that you then drew the wrong conclusions from


>>11065347
That's a pretty niche area. I don't think any Trad authors have specifically written about that or even really geographics areas of Europe. You could read Evolas writings on the Greco-Roman religion for something that was physically near and in the same era. If you are interested in studying that subject in lieu of being interested in modes of thought or religious forms of Pre-Christian Europe/Indo-Europeans generally, Dumezeil has written a number of books about them. If you are interested in anything approaching the philosophical beliefs of the Indo-Europeans than ultimately Hinduism is the best remaining collection of this that we still have.

>>11068352
Exclusivism is an incomplete way of viewing religion, and configures mostly a survival strategy of religious organizations in general. Have the courage to suspend exclusivism.

The Absolute can be personal, simple in essence and infinite indetermination at the same time. Logic doesn't function at that level.
On this issue, read Philip Sherrard, also an orthodox.

>>11049893
Why did you convert to Islam? Honest curiosity. I recently read the Quu'ran all over and I'm very interested in this stuff.

>>11051758
It isn't like I know shit, but why does everyone regard evolution as a ''ceaseless betterment'', a ''road to perfection'' or, in short, a linear teleology of trascendence? It baffles me that Illuminists in our time treat mutations and adaptive processes as something inherent to an abstract process rather than the simpler, more intuitive movens of ''change''.

>>11070411
I strongly disagree. Exclusivism is at the heart of faith and thus it should be. Any attemps to condone otherness, to intellectualize or relativize have proven to be a (even if well-intended) parasyte of doctrine. Only through exclusivity and thorough discrimination does belief thrive and soar.

>>11070480
>proven to be a (even if well-intended) parasyte of doctrine.

And how exactly is that?

Guenon young at center

>>11071848
Yung Guenon

>>11066823
A wife, if you are properly paired with someone compatible to you, is your Shakti (power/energy). A good marriage fills you with strength, resolve, and energy that you did not have before. In Hinduism all the male deities are paired with a female partner known as their Shakti (power).

>>11069192
I'm sure he has looked at it, but I don't think in such great detail. Frithjof Schuon did afaik.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WK6y9S0sgaA

>>11068352
theosis if it is to be truly a "divinization" must mean to transcend the individual order, and to ascend into the supra-individual. In that case a "personal" relationship has little to do with it.

>>11065347
I actually might have caught a reference to an author whose work might be semi-related to what you're looking for. I'll check my computer when I get home tomorrow, inshallah. I think I screencapped a post on another forum that discussed an Eastern-European traditionalist, might not be specifically Yugoslavian, I have to check. He wasn't Romanian in case someone here thinks I'm referring to Eliade.

>>11070480
Metaphysical truth is necessarily universal. It's literally supra-individual, so it cannot be subject to individual limitations.

>>11072020
What does this even mean, though? There are profound differences in the various religions and beliefs. If you reject the doctrine of the trinity you are by that very fact heretical for the Catholic doctrine. Non-dualism is not compatible with the three absolute hypostases. The kind of metaphysical truths preached by the Traditionalists are often pagan and heresy "refuted" again and again by that tradition.

>>11071979
i want to dress like that some day

Finishing my read of Revolt, and as an avid Hegellian, could it be possible to reconcile traditionalism with Hegellianism? Or is it impossible to relate the ages of man and the Hegellian dialectic? Because

>>11073132
don't steal my ideas!

>>11073132
Spengler might be right up your alley.

>>11072862
It means quite simply:
- The Truth is eternal and unchanging.
- The Truth was therefore the same Truth in all times and all places, both before Christianity and after its advent.

>>11073775
I don't remember which lama said it, i think it was dalai lama who claimed that you can create merit with nearly all religious systems, but only reach final enlightenment with buddhism - which kinda recognizes that other tradition's masters has great knowledge which should not be underestimated. I think that you could view Christianity in a likewise fashion - that you can cut off a lot of time in purgatory by practicing other traditions but only through Jesus are you able to go directly to his pure-land(heaven).

>>11073132
no

>>11055504
Assent to no belief. Follow the customs of the land. Strive towards tranquillity.

---
There has never been an individual.

>>11055489
or you could find a master who could actually help you make sense of everything you have learned.
I've read a lot of shit too and i feel like it's one great brainfart building up in my head - i went to a retreat and a lot of things suddenly made a lot more sense in a much more profane and simple way.

>>11073944
I think it's quite fair for each person to value his religion above the others. I'm a traditionalist, but I think Islam is better than other religions, the veritable final revelation to man. On the other hand I also believe that God is above all ar-Rahman (the all merciful), so he won't turn someone down who turns to him with sincerity even if that person is nominally a "pagan".

>>11053352
>>11053316
stella bloch best traditionalist waifu

>>11074190
It's like a family of cousins, each will think their father is the greatest because of their bond, but they also should have the fairness to admit that they could be biased by that bond and know every uncle has the same value as his father, and thus reject an exclusivist view, even tough learning all that they can with their personal father.

>>11074235
Basically, but we do have to draw a line somewhere, at some point we have to be able to say "that's a deviation". It requires a lot of study and experience to be able to draw that line, a lot of comparative research, so the best bet for most is to stick to mainline orthodox traditions. Not that I intend to stop those who don't, but they do so at their own peril.

>>11074252
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBu5CSuG8-s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsc76j-G0-k

>>11074484
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlIrI80og8c

>>11074492
ah, the eternal aussie shitposter, cant even interview the dalai lama without shitposting

>>11053484
Kek, what style of Yoga was it?

Adi Shankara's Prasthanatrayi commentaries (his most important works)

>Commentary on 8 of the Muhkya Upanishads part 1
https://archive.org/details/EightUpanishadsWithSankarabhashyamSwamiGambhiranandaVol11989

>Commentary on 8 of the Muhkya Upanishads part 2
https://archive.org/details/EightUpanishadsWithSankarabhashyamSwamiGambhiranandaVol21966

>Brahma Sutra Bhasya (commentary) of Shankaracharya
https://archive.org/details/BrahmaSutraSankaraBhashyaEngVMApte1960

>The Bhagavad-Gita with commentary of Shankaracharya
https://archive.org/details/Bhagavad-Gita.with.the.Commentary.of.Sri.Shankaracharya


Adi Shankaras non-commentary Prakarana Granthas (philosophical treatises)

>Atma Bodha (Self-knowledge)
http://www.lovebliss.eu/Download/Atma%20Bodha.pdf

>Upadesasahasri (A Thousand Teachings)
http://estudantedavedanta.net/Sri_Shankaracharya-Upadeshasahasri%20-%20Swami%20Jagadananda%20%281949%29%20[Sanskrit-English].pdf

>Aparokshanubhuti (Direct experience)
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.216548

>Vivekachudamani (Crest Jewel of Discrimination)
https://ia800108.us.archive.org/18/items/Vivekacudamani/Vivekacudamani.pdf


Non-Adi Shankara Advaita texts

>Voga Vasistha
https://archive.org/details/VasisthasYoga

>The Ashtavakra Gita
https://realization.org/p/ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita.html

>The Ribhu Gita
https://archive.org/stream/RibhuGitaRamaMoorthyH./Ribhu%20Gita%20%20Rama%20Moorthy%20H.%20#page/n1/mode/2up

>Avadhuta Gita
https://www.holybooks.com/wp-content/uploads/Song-of-the-Avadhut-by-Dattatreya.pdf

>Advaita Bodha Deepika (The lamp of non-deal knowledge)
https://selfdefinition.org/ramana/Advaita-Bodha-Deepika.pdf

>Drg-Drsya-Viveka (An inquiry into the Nature of the 'Seer' and the 'Seen')
https://vivekananda.net/PDFBooks/Others/DrgDrsyaViveka1931.pdf

>The Tripura Rahasya (Mystery Beyond the Trinity)
https://www.beezone.com/Ramana/tripura%20rahasya.pdf


Ashtavakra Gita for the TLDR, Adi Shankara's commentaries + Yoga Vasistha can be considered core texts, Shankara's non-commentary works and the other non-Shankara texts complement the core ones

>"It is also an important consideration for these philosophers to be able to put their name to a ‘system’, that is, to a strictly limited and circumscribed set of theories, which shall belong to them and be exclusively their creation; hence the desire to be original at all costs, even if truth should have to be sacrificed to this ‘originality’: a philosopher’s renown is increased more by inventing a new error than by repeating a truth that has already been expressed by others. This form of individualism, the begetter of so many ‘systems’ that contradict one another even when they are not contradictory in themselves, is to be found also among modern scholars and artists; but it is perhaps in philosophy that the intellectual anarchy to which it inevitably gives rise is most apparent."

- Rene Guenon, The Crisis of the Modern World

>>11076602
saved it, will include it in the next thread, inshallah

>>11053316
>>11053352
>>11074219
>waifuing kikes

What's with all the new age faggotry lately? First christlarpers and now this.

>woah dude the wisdom of the east! *rips bong* *doesn't do his household chores* *builds turban out of towel* TAKE THAT MOM AND DAD!

>>11077287
>*rips bong*
all intoxicants are haram

>>11077287
faggotry is haram

>>11077287
We are commanded to be obedient to our parents.

>>11077287
>TAKE THAT MOM AND DAD!
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful. Islam commands us to honor our parents, to obey them, to respect their opinion, and to be kind in general to our family members

>>11077291
>>11077293
>>11077294
>>11077295
t. 20-something westerners who never left their state or saw a mosque from the inside

>>11077303
At the minimum Friday prayers are obligatory attendance at the masjid, but I try to go everyday for maghrib and ish'a, inshallah.

From what countries are the converts to Islam in this thread? How was the process of conversion and what impact did it have on your life?

>>11077365
>From what countries are the converts to Islam in this thread?
Born in the US, but child of immigrants, so culturally not American.
>How was the process of conversion
There isn't exactly a "process". To convert to Islam you go in front of a few Muslim witnesses and say (in arabic) "I testify that there is no god but God, and I testify that Muhammad is the messenger of God". Bam, you're a Muslim now.
>what impact did it have on your life?
It's like gradually stepping out of Plato's cave, and the light keeps getting brighter and brighter every day, my dude. Also you make quality of friendships that I don't think you could make in the secular world.

>>11077391
what influenced to take the decision to convert?

>>11077398
Guenon's writings led me to study many religions/traditions. Eventually I came to study Islam, and it made the most sense, and seemed to confirm what I had found that was good in other religions. I studied it for about a year, although part of that year was spent more focused on Hinduism, and at the end of that year I converted, alhamdulillah.

did a mod bumplock the thread or does it happen automatically after a certain number of posts?

>>11077453
thanks for answering

>>11077476
it happens after 300 (bump limit reached)

>>11077516
your welcome, based anime poster

>>11077554
oh no.

>>11049573
>>11078009

OP, please make a new thread.