/lit/ - Literature

>>11030312
Doesnt suoressing sub vocalisation affect reading memory?

>>11030319
At first it did but now that I'm used to it it's about the same.

When I do that I read way too fucking fast.

>>11030321
what's the last book you read?

>>11030312
The Minotaur called out speedreaders for being the fags they are and said that especially for scientific or philosophic texts it's one of the worst things you can do

>reading for quantity
suppressing sub vocalization is the most autistic plebeian shit ever. Hell I even read poetry aloud.

>>11030312
i hope you aren't doing this with fiction and poetry

if your lips aren't moving while you read your a brainlet

>>11030375
not surprising considering poetry is the ONE thing specifically designed to be read out loud

>>11030312
The key isn't to get rid of it but to switch it off

>>11030411
>poetry is the ONE thing specifically designed to be read aloud
you don't actually belive this, do you?

>>11030450
you're right, theatre is also meant to be read out loud

>>11030312
How the fuck do you get rid of it? If I'm reading I'm seeing the words on the paper and my mind automatically speaks them to me.

Switching that voice of would be the same as trying to switch off the voice in your head when you are thinking.

>>11030836
Read with your eyes, not your brain, brainlet.

>>11030836
>he thinks in words

The speed that you read is purely limited by the speed you can comprehend the material.
Other than already having an understanding of the material and the thoughts and ideas being expressed, there is no way to increase your reading speed without sacrificing comprehension.

If you want to get through books faster, the best thing you can do is practice focusing and concentrating solely on the book, and ignoring distractions.

>>11030367
>he actually fell for the not-subvocalizing meme

I always read text with a voice similar of of the cookie monster, not loud but in my head. I done so since I was a kid and I cannot stop.

>>11030357
Storm of steel

>>11031032
I always read with the voice of Tommy Lee Jones in my head. It's v. comfy.

>not being able to switch between either at will

Unless I'm in public (rarely) I read out loud

>>11031032
https://youtu.be/_UWlLqvqdvU

>not just implanting the text directly into your brain

>>11030838
>don't read with your brain
What? Is this why /lit/ can only post memes about a book instead of discussion or analysis?

>>11030312
>not reading books loudly on the public transportation
never gonna make it

I'm trying and it's so weird

>>11031774
But what if you encounter literary buffoonery?

My problem with reading has always been daydreaming. My brain gets flooded with thoughts while my eyes are still scanning the page, and then I realise I didnt actually read any of it because I was thinking about other shit

>>11030836
>switch off the voice in your head when you are thinking
I thought everyone can do that, but it's more like having the voice in your head is more helpful a lot of the time.

It's easy to think things without words or sentences but I find that these thoughts are often fuzzier and more easily dispersed/forgotten. When you "read them out" in your mind they become more crystallized. Difference is you think slower and more rigidly.

>not doing the different voices
why? fiction's supposed to provoke the imagination; it's the only point of it.

If speedreading was real then the gulf between speedreaders and non-speedreaders would be as wide as the achievement gap between white people and black people.

Speedreaders would be the ruling aristocracy, hyper-educated and cultured, and normal readers would be revere their speedreading masters as some kind of demi-gods.

Unfortunately speedreading is literally not real at all.

The only way to appreciably improve your reading speed is to be focused physically and mentally, have a large vocabulary, and be experienced in the act of reading itself.

>>11030312
i read in tom waits' voice,it seems to augment my experience while reading,no matter the text

>>11030312

Speedreading is like flying to somewhere scenic and historical, because it is scenic and historical, and then power-walking through all the sights while half-reading the guidebook out of fear you'll miss something.

>>11032975
m-mistress T?

>>11032940
Valid, but false. Speed readers are on the next level, they are the ones that aren't only looking at words. It just isn't speed reading that one has to learn. You need to approach sensory memory in a new way. It requires a new set of letters constructed from a different set of relationships. In a way, it is comparable to a encoding through memory tricks.

>>11030312
This is such a useless thread, reading is not a sport lmao its about understanding what's being said. To say you read pages without going back or reading something over or slowly is to be a complete psued, the antithesis of this board

>>11030312
>he thinks this reading technique which is nothing more than a reflection of the braindead consumerist culture of our times is something worth striving for
Sad!

>>11032975
This is your wife, absolutely despressing.

>>11033007
I'd give everything to marry mistress T

>>11032998
That is some pseud bullshit right there. Speed is unnecessary for recognition, but it is still valuable. Retarding yourself is problematic as unprepared advancement. How many different ways do you know how to read?

Someone please set me up with a list of benifits/drawbacks of subvocalizing? It feels like such an important part of the reading process, but I definitely want to read faster, is there any sort of medium?

>>11032975
>>11032976
>>11033007
who dat

>>11033046
People assume there is a natural advantage to sub vocalizing or reading in whisper and even aloud. The clearest reason is for practicing sounds and tones. They often point to some notion of having the extra stimulus aids in memory. Those who have spent any time trying to memorize a poem know this is not true. Punctuation and the slower pace allows for a breathe of the mind for capitulation to transitional thoughts and various immersions into literature. It is also better than not reading at all. Disadvantages? It is taught heuristically and without rigor leading to sloppy form. Everything it offers can be found elsewhere in a more meaningful and lasting context. It is basically pleb vintage.

>>11033049
mistress T

>>11030375
>I even read poetry aloud
You absolute madman. Next you'll be telling us you listen to music instead of just looking at the notes, or even that you look at paintings instead of sniffing them like a normal person.

>>11031881
We are talking about speed reading dummy, its good if your doing math

>>11030836
>voice in your head when you are thinking
Mhm, yep, I don't do that either.

>>11030400
Kek

>>11033372
You have to be careful with how you go about extinguishing that one. I haven't done that yet. For now it is the regulator between loops.

>>11031032

How do I improve my comprehension speed?

>>11030367
based Mino

>tfw recently developed the extremely annoying habit of realizing I'm not subvocalizing and then beginning to do it

>>11030312
sometimes, when i am not so sure of my mental sanity, and start to kind of believe that everything around me is just a product of my brain, i can't help but am fascinated by it, because some of the shitposts here sure need a lot of imagination to come with

>>11030881
This

I literally just have a bunch of floating shapes that somehow coalesce together in coherency whenever I try to create. I once started to speak to myself to help me get a clearer view of my thoughts, but I accidentally gave myself tourrettes for a while.

>>11033727
Kek

>>11030400
>if you don't have parkinson's disease you're a brainlet
what did anon mean by this

>>11033723
I hate this. You've been reading for hours without a problem and then a switch flips and you feel like an 8 year old reading aloud. Drives me nuts

>>11030312
so does subvocalizing actually help you to read faster or not?

>>11030367
You know you are gonna hate him when he gets famous

>>11030943
Correction: the speed dating which you can read after losing the voice is the speed of comprehension. Before that it is merely the speed of speech. Op actually makes a good suggestion.

>>11032998
>complete pseud
>antithesis of this board

>>11033399
Increase your IQ

>>11034130
If the speed of comprehension is faster than the time it takes to subvocalize the you are reading books way too easy for yor you.

Try some philosophy instead of YA fiction

>Not appreciating the prosody.

It is useful for light nonfiction though.

I subvocalize in the voice of Alan Watts

and i cant make it stop

i completely disabled my mind narrator now thinking is very fast and does not need translation to english, but its a good idea to do it sometimes to improve your english skills.

I don't understand how it's possible to read without hearing the words in your head??

imagine trying to do programming but u keep narrating it...
"if left semiboi 1 right semiboi
left brackeyboi
tab printf left semiboi quotation mark it fucking broke quotation mark right semiboi
right brackeyboi

>>11036233
idk maybe start by outreading it then u will learn to disable it

>time spent doing what you love (I'm assuming) is time wasted
>wanting to rush a good book instead of taking your time

>>11036249
or u could just google the ending and never have to read it

>>11036233
You don't ever glance at a chunk of text and ascertain the gist of it before you've even looked at the words individually?

>He doesn't let each sentence wash over him like wave

>>11030312
>VOICE IN MY HEAD
Julian Jaynes was right. OP was a literal throwback to bicameralism.

Subvocalizing is literally the only way I can memorize/read the words in a paper, otherwise you just read too fast and miss important info, even if you get a basic gist of a text

>>11030312
Did that unknowingly from mid-primary to mid-high school. Burnt through so much crap it was ridiculous (the stuff wasn't very complex, but I was a kid). I enjoyed it, but didn't really feel for characters very much or care for them. I was all about the ideas and world.

Stopped reading for a year or two, got back into it, and found myself having an inner voice with it after a bit. It was like something clicked and I was more engaged with everything. Like I went from passively experiencing it to actively.

tldr: speed readings good for reading fast, but not enjoying. if you choose to speed read you are a faggot who doesnt enjoy literature and only cares abuot it as a status symbol or an item on a list to check off.

>>11030533
I laughed.

I'm an analyst. I do speedreading with no inner voice when reading technical papers for work. I use an inner voice for litterature i read for leisure.

>>11036233
You do that by looking at texte like a picture instead of text.

Up to the modern time all books would be read aloud. Speedreading is thoroughly modern. Incidentally this is why poetry is now unpopular after having been a major genre for millennia. We are alienated from everything including literature.

>>11032975
This. You're supposed to explore those places, let them get to you, take your time. Same with reading.

>>11036658
>tldr: speed readings good for reading fast, but not enjoying. if you choose to speed read you are a faggot who doesnt enjoy literature and only cares abuot it as a status symbol or an item on a list to check off.
Well said. When you're reading you're supposed to stop reading and think for a while if something stirs your thoughts. If you're speed-reading because you view reading as a fucking competition you gain nothing.

>>11036689
>>11036393

How? I can't do it. I read a word, I hear it in my head automatically.

>>11030312
this makes no sense. you obviously are not reading.
>logocentrism

>>11036809
Don't "read" the word, just look at it. You know what it means without have to "say"/think it in your head.

>>11032332
Take breaks between chapters or when the pace slows down.

>>11036837

If I just look at it, I don't know what it is. It's just text, it doesn't mean anything until I process it.

>>11030312
Because it reduces your reading comprehension.

I've tried it and reading becomes so fast that I become certain I have missed something and have to reread constantly which totally defeats the purpose.

>>11036931
>If I just look at it, I don't know what it is.
>It's just text, it doesn't mean anything until I process it.
Then you're either a certified brainlet or have some kind of mental disability.

>>11030312
>Get some speed reading software like EyeQ.
>Practice the lessons.
>Eventually, as the speed increases, the internal voice disappears.
>Profit.

Speed reading is good for some fiction or articles. Complex literature needs subvocalization, even reading out loud.