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pic rel is what happens when you nietzsche too hard

>>11016344
>Disregards the fact
of course, haven't you read his views on facts?

If you going to get into this whole argument about whether something is true or not contintental philosophy just aint for you

>>11016344
>People today that study him still believe that Rome's conversion to Christianity was a simple flip of a switch leading to an overnight transvaluation of morality.
Literally nobody with a functioning brain will think that.

The Birth of Tragedy is better understood as a work on aesthetics than as a historical treatise anyway

>>11016377
I've alwsays read it more as an early warning of the dangers of feminism and identity politics. Such great works are open to infinite variation of interpretation.

>>11016344
the man's entire philosophy is "das feels über das reals" and you expect him to care about something as trivial as facts?

>>11016344
>Disregards the fact that near all of the current framework from Christianity was inspired by, or directly influenced/doctored by Romans. (Council of Nicaea, Stoicism, Platonists,

He does blame Socrates and Plato for inspiring the framework

>>11016395
>I've alwsays read it more as an early warning of the dangers of feminism and identity politics
I´ve read a lot of stupid opinions about the Birth of Tragedy but this is on a whole other level

>>11016344
The historical part isn't the point at all you absolute midwit
It's entirely background when his real argument deals with the issues of aesthetics which don't actually depend on historical details at all.

>>11016518
>Make a grandiose claim to justify something
>That claim is simply wrong
So is this the power of Neetche?
>>11016358
>of course, haven't you read his views on facts?
His views are pointless as they are clearly just verbiage. The worrysome part is that people take it seriously

>>11016344
Is there any other man who manages to make christcucks so butthurt from beyond the grave centuries later?

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>>11016631
r*ddit

>>11016631
>>of course, haven't you read his views on facts?
>His views are pointless as they are clearly just verbiage. The worrysome part is that people take it seriously
You'll be glad to hear that he also advocated for the death of grammar. Perhaps less glad that he called facts a greater obstruction to the truth than lies, and that Pareto agrees with him, because it means people will point and laugh at you for being a dumdum.

>>11016638
>Write an academic paper with two footnotes
>Gets ridicule by his contemporaries to the point that no one takes him seriously intelectually
>Spend the rest of his life writting nonesense that can't be refuted because muh interpretations madafacca
>Some random NEET on 4chan believes he was a genious
Oh I am laughing

>>11016663
Pointless verbiage

>>11016669
>being this out of touch with western thought
do they let you off the compound for groceries or anything?

>>11016675
I'm sure many people will note your objection and give them the place in history they deserve.

>>11016684
>Ad hom
Nice one
>>11016691
No person that takes Neetche seriously can contribute anything of worth to society

>>11016344
>history that is flat-out wrong
Why do you take one's made up record of the past over his when he was one of the best philologists in Europe and one of the greatest philosophers to ever live?

>What is it with philosophers basing their assertions on history that is flat-out wrong?
Nietzsche had no formal education in philosophy, history of Judaism or Christianity and several other topics he taked about in The Birth of Tragedy, he is merely a failed philologist and a writer. He did start with the Greeks but didn't carry on with much of what came after. He and entire generations of his readership have a problem with things like facts or truth, and don't even see the problem with what you're asking, as in they don't ever entertain the notion they could be wrong about something, and they would rather come up with cultish behavior involving being the current year's prophet of a Dionysus that never was, than bother answering you. It's what happens when all you have is a myth: you make some more myths up.

>>11016699
>made up
It is not made up it is a reconstruction based on the evidence we have. Claiming that a histographic work based on evidence has the same worth as some random dude making things up and with only two footnotes is just dishonest to the field of history and one's inteligence

>>11016819
>Nietzsche
>some random dude
Decent troll.

>>11016830
>Claim to authority
Nice argument. How does a failed philologist with no formal training in historiography and philosophy opinion has any worth just because he has certain surname?

>>11016836
>Nietzsche
>a failed philologist with no formal training in philosophy
You're a riot and a half, man.

>>11016844
He didn't have a formal training in philosophy and he was denied a seat as a philosophy teacher by actual academics because of it

>>11016851
>it wasn't formal because I say so
>he wasn't a REAL academic!
Tone it down please, my sides are in pain.

>>11016696
>No person that takes Neetche seriously can contribute anything of worth to society
He doesn't recommend you take him seriously either. You're doing very well in copying him.
>>11016696
>>Ad hom
>Nice one
It's not, for it to be an ad hominem, your lack of basic understanding of western thought over the past few centuries would need to not be relevant. Since it is relevant, your ineptitude in that arena is directly relevant to how well you understand it and your authority on it.

>>11016859
>I have no arguments
The NEET ws rejected for a reason and it wasn't because he was woke

>>11016875
>he thinks the reason was lack of footnotes
It might hurt to find out that if you got a book with footnotes at the time, it meant someone had scribbled a gloss on the page.

>>11016696
quickly running out of breathing room here, baudrillard took nietzsche seriously as did mcluhan

>>11016887
Maybe OP is really mad that his governess made him read the complex words and didn't break them down for him into smaller more spoonfeedable pieces in her pretty hand writing? Surely if you'd read Nietzsche, you'd know of this phenomenon.

>>11016875
>Nietzsche
>a neet
>"woke"

>>11016901
>NEETche is hard to read
Please he is as simple as it gets. Neetche just claimed stuff that never happened to justify his arguments which is what most people would call academical dishonesty and let's not even touch plagiarilism because most of his ideas are not even original but regurgitating the ideas of others to fit his narrative

Pretty sure his views on history where based on pretty similar views expressed by other philosophers in his time area. Both Hegel and Kierkegaard say similar things about Greeks and Christians. Even if it isn't super detailed or great "history" my understanding what he did with his genealogical method is what people like about.

Also lol @ the person who thinks N didn't know the bible.

>>11016696
>implying i care about the contribution of such nihilistic society
Christfags are really something else go bend to your kikes overlords and keep getting bitter about life

>>11016921
I'm referring to OP's request for footnotes, which in a setting contemporary to Nietzsche means that you need someone to break down the words for you into simpler language and have it elucidated for you. Since OP was crying for footnotes, I presumed on good evidence he was illiterate or barely literate. Please do read more or people will confuse you with OP who is basically a preschool child.

>>11016960
>ctrl+f bible
>1 result
Is that you?

>nobody respected him
>he wuz NEET
literally who the fuck was W A G N E R. Not to mention he later criticized the work. He was in employment at the time as a professor of Philology -a subject he was well respected for-

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