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Obviously he had to choose a Russian book but why Brothers? What do you think attracted him to it? Has it influenced his political beliefs and actions?

>> No.10998125

>>10998082
>Has it influenced his political beliefs and actions?

Maybe. He seems like a Dmitri.

>> No.10998212

>>10998082
> thinly veiled niggerstani crook appreciation thread
Books did not help him much.

>> No.10998226

>>10998212
I hate Putin but it is interesting to know what is favorite book is.

Would you turn down the opportunity to learn Hitler or Stalin's favorite work of fiction?

>> No.10998237

>>10998212
[baltic kvetching intensifies]

>> No.10998240

>>10998226
>Hitler or Stalin's favorites
So, The Prince by Machiavelli

>> No.10998315

>>10998082
I am moral Orthodox Christian, I read Brothers Karamazov and Bible. Vote for me comrade or you get poison. What? I never said that! It's a set up by the evil West!

>> No.10998324
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>>10998082
But this is his favorite book

>> No.10999086

>>10998324
Not for the reasons you're thinking of though.

https://youtu.be/b1d7Llx4rm8

>> No.10999099

>>10998315
>comrade

>> No.10999319

>>10998226
no it's not and yes I would

>> No.10999322

>>10998082
Lenin was also a fan of Dosto if I remember correctly

>> No.10999727

>>10998226
Hitler read a lot, like more than anyone here. He would probably mention a western classic as his favorite like Don Quixote, divine comedy or something. I can't really imagine him having a favorite book.

>> No.10999740

>>10999727
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_private_library

Adolf Hitler's private library was Adolf Hitler's private collection of books, excluding books he purchased for the German state library. Baldur von Schirach, the leader of the Hitlerjugend, claimed that Hitler had about 6,000 volumes and that he had read each one. Frederick Cable Oechsner put his collection at 16,300 volumes.[1] Historians say that 2/3 of his collection was untouched and that the remaining items contained his own notes and marks. Unfortunately, no records exist to confirm this amount as several books would have been destroyed by The Allies.[2]

Hitler's collection reflects his attitudes toward censorship, lacking any works presenting counter-opinions. Although contemporaries say that he loved reading works by German authors, Nietzsche in particular, "there is no sign of Goethe, Schiller, Dante, Schopenhauer or Nietzsche in his library.[2]" He is said to have believed that Shakespeare was far superior to Goethe and Schiller. He had a copy of Georg Müller (de)'s 1925 translation of Shakespeare's collected works. He was fond of quoting certain lines throughout his life. Copies of Goethe, Schiller, Dante, and Schopenhauer may have been destroyed by Allied bombing so there is no way of knowing for certain whether his collection was lacking. His collection is said to have included "first editions of works by philosophers, historians, poets, playwrights, and novelists.[3]" He owned illustrated copies of Don Quixote and Robinson Crusoe, which he ranked, along with Gulliver's Travels and Uncle Tom's Cabin, as the great works of world literature. Hitler himself was a voracious reader: he claimed to read at least one book a night, if not more. He was also frequently given books as gifts by females of his acquaintance. "The only outstanding classical literary text found in his library today is the collected writings of Kleist.[2]"

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>>10998082
It's also Hillary's favourite book.

>> No.10999969

He chose a "favorite book" that would accentuate his image of

1) being Russian
2) being a subtle intellectual


that's it. I guarantee you he has either never read it or that he read it when he was a student. Men like Putin have no time or use for novels.

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>>10998082

>> No.10999979

>>10999740
>He owned illustrated copies of Don Quixote and Robinson Crusoe, which he ranked, along with Gulliver's Travels and Uncle Tom's Cabin, as the great works of world literature
lmao

>> No.11000324

>>10999970
Kek

>> No.11000345

>>10998082
His propaganda is based on him being the protector of the country's Christianity. You don't think someone like Putin would say something without any political interest, do you?

>> No.11000884

>>10998125
More like a Smerdyakov.

>> No.11000886

>>10998125
how is he anything like Mitya? If anything he's much more of an Ivan or Smerdyakov

>> No.11000982

>>10999099
Putin gets votes from both orthodox LARPers and nostalgic communists. Yes, Russian politics are that absurd

>> No.11001213

>>11000982
Not even nostalgic communists still use тoвapищ, fuckbrain.

>> No.11001230

>>10998212

Keep /pol/ within /pol/ please

>> No.11001243

My guess would be Anton Chekhov's short stories

>> No.11002399

>>10998082
He is more of an ivan than a dmitri

>> No.11002516

>>10998082
Putin is equal parts Alyosha, Dmitri, and Ivan

>> No.11002552

>>10999969
I doubt it was for image building but you are right. He probably read it as many other Russians have read it, rather than out of interest. As you say, I don't think he has time or use for novels.

>> No.11002831

>>10998226
It's not like it's fucking hard to figure out.

Hitler really loved Karl May. Basically a turn of the century German pulp writer who specialized in Westerns despite never actually having been to America.

Oddly Hitler also rated "Uncle Tom's Cabin" and "Last of the Mohicans" among his favorite non-German novels. Go fucking figure how he never got any of the subtext out of those two.

Stalin is actually a bit more interesting. Before deciding to become a Communist he tried his hand at poetry... and was actually deemed something of a budding talent at it in his native Georgian.

Of the dictators Stalin was probably the most /lit/. His favorite novel is virtually unknown today "Pharoah" by Boeslaw Prus. Turgidly written, but rather prescient considering what Stalin did.

Stalin also kept a personal interest in the state of Soviet literature. He basically saved Boris Pasternak from being purged by personally intervening with the secret police, and gave Bulgakov a job in Kiev when he was unpersoned. Oddly enough he didn't lift a finger to save the legions of hack poets and novelists who wrote paeans to him and his regime.

Learning the literary tastes of dictators and serial killers is something of a hobby of mine.

>> No.11002974

>>11002831
Interesting post, anon.

>> No.11002981

>>11002831
Do you know anything about Mussolini's taste? I know that he was a big fan of Nietzsche but I don't know what his favorite work of fiction was

>> No.11002996

>>10999086
>tfw seen this 6+ times but never the original video

>> No.11003031

>>11002981
He wrote the novelistic equivalents of socialist shitposting back when he was a journalist. Honestly, he wasn't all that interested in literature. He felt far more strongly about music and the fine arts.

Early Italian Fascism is pretty interesting /lit/wise, and no, I'm not talking about Evola, that stuffy weirdo. D'Annunzio is waaaaaay more interesting a writer and person.

>> No.11003038

>>10998082
>Has it influenced his poltical beliefs and actions?
Yes, just like how Rage Against the Machine influence Paul Ryan's.

>> No.11003057

>>11002831
>Go fucking figure how he never got any of the subtext out of those two.
>story that inspired the north and blacks to oppose subjugation as slavery
>story about Native Americans surviving subjugation as refugees in what was your land
>man who inspired Germany to fight against subjugation as political revenge for WW2

>> No.11003061

>>11003057
>revenge for WW1
whoops

>> No.11003084

>>10998226

Stalin's was The Patricide.

>> No.11003108

>>10998082
It's Russian to appeal to the nationalists, religious to appeal to the christians and deals with themes that the socialists can sympathize with.

>> No.11003110

>>10998082
Everyone in the KGB read Dostoevsky, mainly for understanding the complexity and intricacy of human communication.

>> No.11003118

>>11003031
>D'Annunzio is waaaaaay more interesting a writer and person.
Agreed. I'm reading il piacere right now and his prose is flowery as fuck (in a good way).

>> No.11003128

>>10999086
>>11001213
cringe

>> No.11003137

>>11002831
>Oddly Hitler also rated "Uncle Tom's Cabin" and "Last of the Mohicans" among his favorite non-German novels.
Liking them doesn't mean he had to sympathize with the protagonists.

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>>11003110
>reading fiction to better understand human communication

>> No.11003147

>>11002981
His father used to read him Karl Marx and Carlo Cafiero.

>> No.11003171

>>11003143
Who else understands the human psyche than fiction writers? Great writers have to understand and be able to replicate many different ways of seeing the world, with all of the paradoxes and ironies therein, and then display all this in realistic thought and communication.
Would studying solely non-fiction from Harvard thinktanks be better? Just compare Russian and American geopolitics to see who made the better choice.

>> No.11003175

>>11003171
>the human psyche
*better than

>> No.11003594

Putin is definitely an Ivan Karamazov. He was blackpilled by growing up in Leningrad, working for the KGB and seeing the Soviet Union collapse.

>> No.11003612

>>10998240
I think Staling was into Faraon, by Prusz

>> No.11003634

>>10998226
Hitler mostly read German mythology. No surprise considering how self-aggrandizing he was.

>> No.11004302

>>10999776
wtf i love hillary now

>> No.11004394

I've been thinking of getting into russian realism lately, anyone got any tips to get the most out of it?

>> No.11004416

>>11003038
Paul Ryan speaks fondly of his schoolboy days reading Rand, which should surprise nobody.

>> No.11004634

>>11004394
Can you read Russian?

>> No.11004658

>>11004634
the only word i can decipher is cyka

>> No.11004664

>>11004658
shouldn't be an issue then, you're all set

>> No.11004698

>>10999740

>hitler's fav book was uncle tom's cabin

>> No.11004703

>>11004394
Start with Turgenev.
A Sportsman's Notebook, in my opinion, can be a good introduction. Try the Hepburns' translation.

>> No.11004721

>>11004703
Will do, thanks anon

>> No.11004731

>>10998082
because he's not going to pick a book about a holy fool (the idiot) or about a roasite (anna k). his choice is pure posturing for the plebs.

>> No.11004790

>>11004721
You're welcome.
It's a good portrait of the rural Russia and the relationships between the people, beautifully framed with hunting and outdoor experiences.

>> No.11005190

>>10998082

He is an Ivan?