/lit/ - Literature

>>10992420
what is with the almost frantic mannerisms and speech patterns of this guy, as though there is this barely suppressed hysteria that might emerge at any second

>>10992426
resorting to personal attacks yet again! no one can rationally argue his points christ

>>10992443
his points are good, i agree with what he's saying in this video. he still has that air about him though

>>10992420
The transcendent value is reason, so why invoke God if you don't need to? It makes sense to say Harris fails the is/ought gap, but Kant? That's a much harder argument to make (I'm not surprised JP ignores Kant, too, he can't square the circle of Kant's idealism with his Hero with a Thousand Faces pop-Jung-idealism).

>>10992461
>The transcendent value is reason
how exactly is reason transcendental

>>10992467
Skipped the First Critique, did we?

>>10992420
Modern China (or Japan, or South Korea, or Singapore - and even France) is doing just fine without the "idea of god". Checkmate, Christfags!

lmao i'm getting pretty sick of seeing jbp everywhere but i do love that he has embraced the image/title of the lobster man

>>10992420
>In Dostoyevsky's book Crime and Punishment...
This guy is like a broken record

I guess we should all just be wrong then.

>>10992958
He's a professor and that's a recording from one of his universiy lectures, of course he's gonna be a broken record.

>there are people on /lit/ right now that think a monkey like Peterson has anything interesting or worthwhile to say about anything

>>10992476

the absolute state of this response

>>10992461
you don't get it. the concept of God IS transcendent value.

>>10992420
>thought Peterson was a meme
This...is actually a good point and video. Shame he sounds like a retarded frog.

>>10992525
>Modern China (or Japan, or South Korea, or Singapore - and even France) is doing just fine without the "idea of god". Checkmate, Christfags!
Their guiding morals are still the consequence of thousands of years of mythological conditioning. Although I have a feeling you just wanted to call France godless non-Christians.

>>10992420
He may not be wrong for once but conservative scum still deserves to die.

>>10993118
>there are sub-apes who think Peterson has anything original to say and fail to acknowledge that his words are interesting because he parrots the words of literary and philosophical greats because they are completely blinded by and clogged with ideology and resentment from their ears to their overflowing mouth-anuses

>>10993644
But he IS wrong yet again. If one treats another bad, the oppressed one will get angry, & could look for revenge, which hurts me afterwards. Therefore, because everyone wants not to be hurt and be healthy (let's say you get food without have to kill), then no one goes to hurt someone. It is pure logic.

>>10993644
Peterson is a leftist

>>10992525
>France is doing just fine

>>10993669
Sure, a leftist who wants to keep things just as they are and fuck progress, right?

>>10993675
if we draw a giant continuum between divine right monarchy on one side for the RIght, and...idk anarchism, communism? on the Left, which is Peterson closer to

>>10993673
>durr durr durr

>>10992420
>the comments
It's painful to read. How can atheists be so dumb and so smug at the same time? What kind of education these people receive?

>>10993644
>>10993675
kys commie faggot

>>10992958
Came here to post this

>>10993666
That's why you just kill them, retard.

>>10993669
He is even worse, may Allah forgive me for using this word, he's a centrist. He doesn't want any major changes and is largely content with the status quo.

>>10992420
But that's bullshit. Morality has nothing to do with religion. It's empathy + logic.

>>10993698
>What kind of education these people receive?
Anywhere from less than a high school diploma to a PhD. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him develop a sense of aesthetics.

>>10993666
>enslave someone
>treat them bad
Oh no guys, my slaves don't like me, better watch out! It'd be so much more profitable if we just worked together and shared though! I'm sooo silly for enslaving people! I wish I understood basic logic!

>>10993758
t. live and breathe the judeo-christian tradition to such an extent you don't even recognize its influence

you and everyone you know and everyone they knew and so on and so forth have been so deeply conditioned by abrahamic tradition suggesting you just know right from wrong via empathy and reason only proves how little reason you have

>>10993776
>the "cultural christian" apologetics
>2018

>>10993698
Everyday it passes I'm more convinced Heidegger was right about everything. Technological thinking is the death of everything humane.

>>10993790
>he says while his every normative thought is rooted in the Bible

>>10993776
Not >>10993758
I see where you are going and I think that is absolutely correct. But I do want to press the question about the Abrahamic tradition. How do we square ethical and moral thoughts of let's say Plato or Aristotle and their thoughts on the subject not necessarily stemming from a God of judgment that JP is talking about here?

>>10993792
>Heidegger was right about everything.
Heidegger was elected rector of the University on 21 April 1933, and joined the National Socialist German Workers' (Nazi) Party on 1 May

ah, nice to see another quality Peterson thread to go along with the perpetual five others that will stay on the front page for the next few days, receive 300+ replies, and be repeated the moment it finally dies

>>10993805
>he says blurting out an ex-nihilo presupposition he couldn't ever conclusively show to be true

>>10993776
Christ just democratized platonism... also Judaism is just an etno-nationalist desert cult, there's no such thing as "judeo-christianity"

>>10993809
Yeah, that wasn't great but I'm not sure if I can blame him considering the context and his relationship to Nazism is quite complex and he was very critical of the holocaust, saying it was using technological thinking to kill people.

>>10992445
I agree. I think it's because he himself probably deals with a lot of personal shit that isn't totally under his control.

>>10993845
>demanding someone prove something so fundamental it permeates every facet of his society and their being
>not realizing your asinine remarks and demands are only humored precisely because of said tolerance instilled by years of religious reach and consequence
>>10993871
t. never even read the Bible

>>10992420
>rambles in circles like a schizophrenic for 5 minutes
>summarizes his entire point in the last 30 seconds

>>10992461
Logos, yeah, like the Greeks, who were then woven into Catholicism via Aquinas. People seem to forget them.

>>10994131
You think that's rambling? It was perfectly cogent and explanatory anon...how do you even read a book if your brain is this burnt out from memes and reddit that you can't even follow the logical progression of an argument?

The mental gymnastics on this man to reference Nietzsche so often

Why does he dual-wields the lobsters?

>>10992420
>I’m arguing that the ethic that drives our culture is predicated on the idea of God and you cant just take that idea away and expect that thing to remain midair without any foundational support
I’m I alone in thinking that this is fucking retarded?

>>10994209
well nobody has any kids anymore and everybody is angry and depressed

but that might be technology or something. history is not science so this is all conjecture

gay existence

>>10994209
It makes sense if you remember that he is always at all times deploying an equivocation fallacy on the word "God"

>>10994147
>Rambling: of writing or speech) lengthy and confused or inconsequential.
My point was he made his point in the last 30 seconds and everything before it was masturbation.

>>10992443
Body language is /lit/ too autist

>>10994216
Nice tunnel vision, bro

peterson is the guy who wrote consider the lobster, right? i read it a while ago it was pretty good. man so many lobsters haha

>>10994147
>the a Etage IQ of the Peterson Fan
>dude did you hear all those name drops and references!? This guy is s m a r t. I feel so enlightened. Who cares about the content of what he’s saying, this guy’s got quotes! You just don’t get it. Also DAE reddit is for normies XD

>>10994209
It makes sense if you believe atheists are working on a time machine to go back in time to destroy the concept of Gods

>>10994226
>and everything before it was masturbation.
No, I think that's called evidence, an example, something illustrative? That's pretty typical of an argument anon, you have to offer some demonstration on why it's true.
>>10994261
But the quotes are part of the content, they substantiate it. Dostoyevsky C&P is a direct analogy for Peterson is saying...I don't know what a DAE is but I think you're a bit dumb anon, sorry.

>>10994302
for what Peterson*

>>10992420
If religion is responsible for the morality of our culture how does promoting the idea that a God isn’t based in fact destroy that morality? That’s what he argues at the end. That atheists want to “remove the foundation”. Last I checked even the most vocal atheists like Sam Harris and Dawkins don’t want to get rid of religious morality. They just want people to stop believing there’s a sentient omnipotent force controlling their lives.

>>10994309
>you should do this because god says so
>god isn't real though
>you should still do some of this this anyway
>how does this remove the foundation of morality?
You can't be this stupid.

>>10994327
>what is a morality based in rationality
You're the stupid one here

>>10993758
>blank + blank
This neoacademic over-simplification of ideologies and concepts needs to stop.

>>10994372
>he thinks he solve the is/ought problem based on "rationality"
>no-one in human history has ever even defined rationality rationally without invoking some higher power
lmao@yourlife