/lit/ - Literature

First for webnovels are novels too

>>10982428
>list sff books where the emphasis is on a character's vagina
>last sff book you read about genitals

Left had of darkness
It has some polygenderous (?) aliens and a woman is the fist envoy sent to the planet.

>>10982428
i just spent $130 buying new-condition US version Locke Lamora books. why am i so retarded, i am not even book collector, i just want normal hardcovers of my favourites and the anniversary edition ones are tiny

>>10982444
Second for telling cancer like you to leave

>>10982444
Fifth for webcomics are novels too

Free Dick (download): http://b-ok.xyz/s/?q=Flow+my+tears+the+policeman+said

If you noticed anything, please pretend you did not.

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>>10982511
BUt how are you to learn if I don't point out your mistakes, monthly anon?

Seeing the wave of garbage coming out such as pic related has genuinely done wonders for my self confidence as a writer. If this trash can sell and gain a fanbase, then I've been worrying about nothing.

>>10982642
Post the worst pages so we can have a laugh dammit.

>>10982428
What is a fantasy novel with exotic characters, like way of kings?

>>10982724
Dont say WoR

>>10982511
Should have went with Roadside Picnic

Dissappoining

sanderfag a hack

>>10982642
Genuinely the worst thing I've ever read.

>>10982734
based sanderfag a hack poster. but unironically fuck off i like his stuff

>>10982610
Why, by reading books of course!

>>10982731
I explained my reasoning in the vote thread, they were tied for like half a day and I could see no reason to pick Picnic over Flow My Tears as the second were a previous nominee and had been in the lead for most of the vote.

>it's a "Shallan became Veil" chapter
>it's a Shallan chapter in general
make it stop please
I can't handle it anymore

>>10983150
I dropped the series at the second book. And Shallan played a big part in it. I used to think the "sanderfag a hack" poster was just memeing, but holy shit was he right. Such a shame too since the series started off pretty strong.

Any books about a necromancer?

>>10982456
>130
>$
theft for a book about thieves.

>>10982642
I thought that Michael Sullivan was considered good and was planning on reading Riyria Revelations at some point in the future. Is he really that bad?

>>10983376
All I know is that Age of Swords is god awful.

>>10983233
Sabriel and Johannes Cabal

>>10982642
>>10983376
I just finished reading the first book in that series, Age of Myth. It was embarrassingly bad. The plot seemed like it could have gone somewhere interesting at the beginning even if the writing style was simplistic and not very clever, but then it basically abandons the character you start with and the supposed inciting incident. Instead it focuses on a trio of superior female characters who are all special and talented and smart and an incredibly pointless side story that, by the end of the book, leaves the overall plot in more or less the same position it was in at the beginning of the book. You could literally edit this whole book down to about 100 pages and just kept going from there instead. Not to mention, the guy you thought was gonna be a Conan the Barbarian type ends up being a beta orbiter for a woman almost 20 years his senior and is infatuated with her to the point where he lets himself be used by her and she knowingly takes advantage of his interest without really giving a shit about him. Oh, almost every male character turns out to be a shitter in some way. Except for the disabled guy, who is good like almost all the women.

>>10983233
Tales of Bauchelain and Korbal Broach

>>10982454
>a woman is the fist envoy sent to the planet
Did you even read the book? Genly is male. He acts passively only because that's his job.

>>10982454
>>10983700
Also, the focus of the book is on the absence of dicks and vaginas, literally the opposite of what OP requested.

>>10983738
It's all about genitals, though. I found it intolerable, though it may have been interesting in a time when hectoring scolds weren't lecturing you about the issue 24/7

>>10983633
And the second book is supposedly worse? Jesus. Won't bother with this garbage then.

>>10983233
library at mount char

>>10983633
Post excerpts of the cringiest moments please.

This post may trigger; please don't.

I want to read something trashy, something on par with a bag of Utz Chips; but I want them to be Kettle Corn in texture; can someone recommend me a good (on LitRPG Terms) a good LitRPG series to read while I'm on the crapper

>>10984080
>LitRPG
fuck you

here take a chinese wank novel instead
https://www.novelupdates.com/series/tales-of-the-reincarnated-lord/

>>10983376
>Riyria Revelations
Those are good. They are like modern S&S pulp.

It's the Age of [insert title here] books that are shit.
I read the first one and thought the rocky start was because of the first book. Then I read age of swords. Jesus fuck that shit was cringey. I dropped the series after that.

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>>10982730
Oathbringer

>>10984097
B-but this one has all those horrible Chinese tropes I loath. Why do you hate me so much Anon

>>10984080
Enthralled. I hate litRPGs and virtual worlds, vrmmos and such, but this was surprisingly entertaining.

>>10984196
i honestly think it's one of the chinese web novels closest to the western equivalent. It doesn't even have a dumb MMO / level system, other than the more vague power rankings. Still has cultivating but with a different medieval flavor to it. Paces itself okay at the beginning (though most people in this medium would say it's slow), I don't really understand why the ratings for this are so mixed while others that are completely aimless like
https://www.novelupdates.com/series/kuma-kuma-kuma-bear/
get much more saturated ratings

>>10984240
Alright; I'll see if its any good.
I'm dropping this if there's a single damn mention of metaphorical rivers, lakes, disc, worlds for souls to unlock higher power and if the MC is obnoxious gloating fuck; can't stand Chinese lit heroes -- cocky heroes become so god damn repetitive with no redeeming qualities.

>>10984240
>After Mark realizes he is reliving the same day over and over, he needs to find a way out or become trapped forever.
are there more stories like this that with the Groundhog day setting? It allows for some delicious wank where the MC eventually becomes a genius because he's basically an immortal

New Locke Lamora fucking when.

>>10984285
Also Dresden Files when.

>>10984285
wait, you mean it's not actually Nov 12 2019 like amazon says?

>>10984295
There's no date as far as I know.

>>10984276
Try this anon. It was actually a fun read.

Why is there so much less resistance to the idea that the best sci-fi films are works of art to rival the best films of any other sort than to the idea that the best sci-fi novels deserve to be held up next to the best "literary" fiction?

>>10984285
I finished the first book not long ago and absolutely loved it. Honestly, are the sequels really THAT bad? I have the other two books on audio and wasn't sure if l should pick up the actual books yet.

>>10984320
bookmarked

>>10984342
I didn't think they were that much worse than the first. Locke's fawning over his waifu in book three got annoying quick but it had some fun moments. The real pain is the same pain anyone reading pretty much any popular currently running sffg series, in that there's no fucking indication when the next book is coming.

>>10984340
I have no idea what I'm talking about, but I'd say that in film, visual storytelling is a thing, which you can play with a lot in a sci-fi setting, while in a book it's all about the writing, so something that would be an amazing spectacle on screen would just be kind of weird in text.

>>10984340
That's a good question though In don't recall sci fi films being held in high regard until relatively recently (outside of Kubrick). I think that perhaps the special effects department has increased in quality the last 10-20 years which helps because up until about the 90's, sci fi movies felt dated and cheesy very quickly. For instance, Logan's Run and Silent Running were killer movies back in the day, but do not look anything but tacky now.

>>10984342
The sequels are not bad at all. The first book is just much better. Probably could have milked the notVenice setting for all the books, and i think moving away from that setting and tone is what made Red Seas more underwhelming to some people. A huge fucking glass tower for nobles, and so much more that may have been in Camorra.

I was a bit peeved by the big reveal in RoT, though that's just my taste and it can go both ways

>>10984340
Film is a visual medium

>>10984361
I mean I'm sure that's part of it, but it seems like in film people recognize that you can get at real issues, both socio-political and very personal (not that the two don't overlap) through speculative means and in books there are a lot of people who don't realize that at all.
>>10984372
If we branch out to speculative fiction in general, the Wizard of Oz is a fantasy story. The original 1954 Godzilla is a masterpiece of a film and has a Criterion Collection edition. You might be right that the differences were not as pronounced until recently, though. After all there are some SF books that are recognized as great even by people who normally treat genre fiction as nothing but pulp.

>>10984125
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>>10984151
So this is the power of fantasoy....

>>10984376
Ok, no spoilers but I've actually heard that about the "big reveal" a few times now. I'll just have to listen to them, find out and decide.

>>10984125
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>>10984151
Holy shit this is fucking terrible.

>>10982444
What is the general consensus on Starship Troopers?

>>10983633
I was appalled by this book. The writer literally went out of his way to shit on men. He is clearly a piece of shit personally and thinks all men are pieces of shit like him.

>>10984639
bugs...

>>10984622
it's bad - bordering on tumblr autism - and im going to delete it from my shortlist

What's a good short sci-fi or fantasy series (say around 1000-1500 pages) that will take me on an emotional roller coaster ride, rip my heart out and stomp on it, but not be all doom and gloom and also have uplifting parts?

Especially interested if it also has good action scenes on top of all that.

>medieval fantasy story
>with explicitly different sentient species, including ones that are fairer/smarter/longer lived/more powerful/etc
>go on random rants about racism and xenophobia and how miscegenation is great

how do we fix this

>>10984653
well having posted on here since the site was a spinoff of something awful's anime board, he's right.

>>10984688
The fuck are you even talking about?

Im hvaing withdrawals. Rec some horror fantasy epics.

>>10984712
They aren't epics but Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser are sword and sorcery with significant horror elements. Same with a good chunk of Conan and much of Jirel of Joiry.

>>10982428
Any fantasy series come close to lord of the rings in terms of quality?

>>10984741
Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser is better.

>>10984741

no and dont believe anyone who tells you otherwise.

read the bible if you havent already.

>>10984746
>the bible
But the Bible isn't fantasy at all.

It's magical realism.

>>10984752

never said it was

>>10984741
speaking of LOTR, what publisher/version does anyone here have? I have the ominbus version in my wishlist right now, though a hardcover of the books separately would probably be better ergonomically

>>10982642
I hate to tell you this, but gaining a fanbase is a completely different skill than writing good fiction. Without qualification, if you expect that fanbase to buy enough of your books to quit your day job.

>>10984657
What?

>>10984794
What is nice sturdy sewn hardcover version of the LOTR that will last me years?

>>10984741
In terms of inexhaustibility, nothing comes close. Maybe nothing will ever come close. Consider becoming a no-joke antiquarian scholar if that's what you're really after.

However, for some actual recommendations: The Solar Cycle (Book of the New Sun) is probably your best bet. It gets memed a lot but only because it is truly that good. If you can appreciate LOTR you shouldn't have a problem with it.

If you like the "long journey" aspect of LOTR but don't mind a step down in quality try Tad Williams, starting with "Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn". Slow-paced, meandering fantasy journeys.

For something slightly more episodic, check out the Chronicles of Amber by Roger Zelazny.

I'd also recommend the Majipoor series by Robert Silverberg starting with Lord Valentine's Castle. This series doesn't quite take itself as seriously as Williams' books. Williams writes like he does because that's all he can do; Silverberg is deliberately kicking back to write a leisurely story after maintaining a John Grisham-tier writing pace for 20 years.

I'm not a fan of The Wheel of Time but multiple people will recommend it and if you're desperate enough you'll probably pick up The Eye of the World, become enthralled, and slog your way through to the end.

>>10984794
I bought a single-volume paperback with a movie tie-in cover when I was in middle school because I wanted to read it before the movie came out.

Genre fiction is dead you can stop making these threads.

Where do we rank 40k books from 1-10 when compared to other fantasy works?

>>10984794
Is this truly worth it

>>10984891

> spending that much on a book

you never realise how poor you are until you see the things which others consider buying with spare expenses but you could never afford.

>>10982511
First for reading Roadside Picnic instead. Like American philosopher Brandon Boyd said, "Defiance; Our most awakened inclination!"

>>10984887
When it comes down to it, they're just advertisements for expensive dolls and model vehicles.

>>10984677
Traitor son series by miles cameron

>>10984342
The biggest issue with the sequels is the author seems like he regrets killing off Lockes entire crew.

So you have to deal with them being in flashbacks constantly.
Also the second book was kinda retarded with the villain giving him some super special untraceable permanent poison that I expected the entire book to be a bluff since the concept of that is fucking retarded but nope its actually there

>>10984887
Really fucking bad to mediocre depending on if Abnett is writing or not.

>>10984080
First law trilogy

>>10984677
The Jerusalem Man
The Rigante series

>>10983956
The second book is even worse
>teenage girl invents writing
>teenage girl learns agent forgotten language within half a day
>brain dead girl invents wheel
>brain dead girl invents buckets
>brain dead girl invents bow + arrow
>brain dead girl discovers iron smithing
>first king is female
>her best warrior is female
>beats a challenger by doing cartwheels and shit
>first human mage is female
>only elf allied to humans is female
Then there’s just the fact that every male character in the series is either and idiot, an arsehole, or that one cripple who orbits the brain dead girl.

>>10985120
sounds like a japanese isekai web novel

>>10984104
I’m not giving that author another dime.

>>10984240
It has it's fun moments but what really put me off about that series is that the author obviously has a gigantism fetish and is obsessed with the size of that snake girls tits and meaty pussy.

/sffg/, quick help?

My heroine is a loli who, despite acting like a complete weirdo and possibly being autistic, is an astrophysics prodigy with a skeptical outlook on anything supernatural. However, she winds up in a fantasy adventure and is forced to come to an understanding magic through a scientific perspective

The problem is that while she has major personal reasons to not want to believe in magic, she needs to warm up to in order to get the first major plot event. As a result there's basically an 80 page gap in a 250 page book where very little happens.

How do I make that gap interesting enough that it doesn't bore my readers to death or sour them to the obstinate MC?

>>10985304
It's 80 pages. How little attention span do you think your readers will have?

>>10985320
it's YA

wish mobilism had filters so i could onlysearch through male & european authors

>>10983376
Riyria stuff is good and worth reading, I don't personally mind the Age of books but even I think they're not as good as the Riyria stuff

>>10985304
She should make some friends. The fuzzy eared kind.

>>10985304
Give her a friendly foil that drags her into it.

How hard is it to become a good fantasy writer?

Not asking about commercial success, just being able to put out a free story somewhere and have people genuinely liking it and wanting more.

I know this general ain't that big, but I always wondered if there's like an /ic/ for writers, where there's tons of resources and communities for people aspiring to write fiction.

>>10985432
>Give her a friendly foil
>friendly

is it okay if her counterpart is an extremely sarcastic male tsundere?

>>10984752
>magical realism

But it's not authored by a Latino.

>Reading shitty litrpg book
>Guy who turned into slime lectures a kitten on not being racist towards slimes

Truly the peak of literature.

>>10984340
>the best "literary" fiction
Gravity's Rainbow is sci-fi my dude.

>>10984340
I read a lot of SF/F, but it's honestly mostly garbage. I ingest it in the same manner I would a superhero movie.

>>10985763
This guy gets it.
Name some genre fiction you'd honestly put beside GR.

Maybe the disparity between the best literature and the best genre fiction is far bigger than what goes on in movies.

How is the Kingkiller Chronicle regarded around here? Other than the endless droning about Kvothe's love interest I've loved it so far.

>>10986038

Auri is #1 qt

>>10984746
For what purpose could you possibly say such a thing?

>>10985376
>complains about white male authors getting less money
>pirates from them
>consequently every author is a transgender female
/pol/fags confirmed for retarded

>>10985990
>Name some genre fiction you'd honestly put beside GR.
Frankenstein is genuinely a fucking masterpiece. I'll admit that's all I have though.

The heart of what was lost

>>10986148

>>10986038
I dropped it. I couldn't put up with Kvothe being such a cuck.
Same reason I'm having trouble with the red knight. It's a fun book but it's a bit annoying that the knight/chivalry thing apparently HAS to come with m'lady baggage. I just want fantasy about a lord, or a captain, or some other dude in a position of power and respect.

I bought all 3 of the Dune prequel trilogy in hardcover in almost perfect condition just gently used at a thrift shop for 3 bucks but i dont have the attention span to read novels and now im sad

>>10982709
Read the fucking book. I see you keep asking for "pages so we can laugh" every time a book is posted qnd people complain about said book.

We know you don't read. You want people who read to spoonfeed you so you can pretend you read a book and complain about it.
Fuck off

>>10984151
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>>10984125
Why did you spoonfeed the pol anon?

>>10986424
>Dune prequel
for what purpose

>>10986488
What does /pol/ have to do with any of that? Grow up and being so fucking paranoid.

>>10986038
It's worthless. First book is decent, as Rothfuss' admittedly good prose and 10 years of editing manage to conceal most of the problems but the second book is a trainwreck. Even if he does manage to finish the last book I doubt I'll read it.

>>10984862
>Lord Valentine's Castle
Such a great series, but the prequels kinda sucked.

>>10984670
>the core

>>10986172
>I just want fantasy about a lord, or a captain, or some other dude in a position of power and respect.
Shame that's rare these days. Too many writers are trying to shoehorn in the strong female character meme. Now I have no problem with strong female characters, in fact I enjoy them. But when they're written at the expense of the competence of male characters, or written in such a way that it's blatant pandering like this series >>10982642 then I have a problem with it.

>>10986494
Pretty spine art and a dollar each in good condition

>>10986513
>>10984862
HOW TO JUGGLE: THE NOVEL

>>10985304
Have her get raped by an incubuss or satyr. After getting her wet walls roughed up she will start to believe.

Sex sells, and overcoming rape sells better, and for the rest of us the rape does wonders. To make it even better, make the incubuss be the soul of her dead father /brother. Need your GRI.

>>10986504
He immediately talks about soy afterwards. Most people were complaining about females, that why pol asked for excerpts.

>>10986630
>t. soy

>>10982428
>read malazan

>like karsa

>finish 5th or 6th book, can't wait to see more of him

>7th book, he literally doens't appear at all

>8th book he shows up for 10 pages

>9th book he literally shows up for 3 lines and you could easily miss it

>10th book he shows up for 10 pages again

>>10986172
>I just want fantasy about a lord, or a captain, or some other dude in a position of power and respect.
Arts of Dark and Light, my man. One of the protags is a young officer in a not-Roman army who ends up becoming the main officer and has to deal with all kinds of shit.

>>10985299
Indeed. But it's a good book to read while taking a dump. Of course, gotta make sure nobody is going to use the bathroom or they might start to wonder why you're taking so long in there.

>>10985120
>invents bow + arrow
>discovers iron smithing
On the same book! How dumb does an author have to be to not notice the millennium gap between those two? By the way, who the fuck needs to invent bow and arrow? I can't think of a single primitive culture that didn't know about it.

>>10986941
The women went through thousands of years of history in about a week. The author is just pandering and doesn't know what the fuck he's doing.

What are some good early Vampire stories aside from Broker's Dracula and Le Fanu's Carmilla? Is there a Gothic Fantasy list or something?

>>10984861
hello?

>>10986038
I got bored around the time he got to the mage uni and some thot took his blood. Rothfuss writes like such a prick.

>>10986630
Don’t have to be /pol/ to see that book is for faggots.

>>10986672
That series will never be finished.

>>10984852
Easy on the mormons

>>10986941
He said she was was favourite character, wouldn’t be surprised if in the next book the humans fight the elves with recently invented attack helicopters.

>>10983700
i enjoyed the book, especial the crossing fo the north part. But maybe because of the female auteur meme i fogot that the mc is male.

>pick up Mark Lawrence book in library
>Actually kinda like it

>>10987225
His first series isn't as bad or as edgy as people think but still isn't great
His second series is a massive step up from that.
His new series is actually really fun and I read the latest book in about 2 sittings. Moving on from the Prince of Thorns world was a great decision

What is the ideal page count?

500-600

>>10987244
350 is comfy

>>10987244
1250

>>10987244
depends entirely on the subgenre but if you aren't telling an epic and the book isn't a standalone 450 per book is enough

Any recs for books with elaborate count of monte cristo style revenge plots?

And ideally ones that don't lean heavily into the KJ Parker/Joe Ambercrombie 'revenge is empty and pointless' stuff

>>10987359
Stars my destination is caunt of Monte Christo of sci fi

>>10987359
Wasn't the end of Monte Cristo him wondering whether all of his revenge schemes were even worth it in the end after he indirectly caused a kid to die? Or maybe I'm remembering it wrong. All I know is that Edmond Dantes got his well deserved happy ending riding off with his young greek waifu.

I just started reading book of the long sun

What the fuck is this. Help me /lit/
I miss Urth

>>10987025
Look in the last thread for vampire books and stop bugging us.

>>10987240
>His second series is a massive step up from that.
THE RED QUEEN WAS SHIT STOP SPREADING THIS MEME THAT IT IS BETTER THAN THE FIRST AND THE THIRD IS WORSE

>>10987794
I'm a different anon from that person. Thanks for the direction, anyways.

Why did the lightbringer series take such a nosedive? I couldn't even finish blood mirror, it was just too shit

>>10987912
>nosedive
but the first book was shit

>>10987925
It was shit, but it was an enjoyable shit

Kind of like a dump that smells so heinously bad you can't help but appreciate the sheer value of it

>>10982642
Wait till you read this guy

>>10987996
Who>

>>10988058
Brandon "Each man has his place, Mine is to make insults. Yours is to be in-sluts" Sanderson.

>>10988096
Please tell me that isn't an actual quote from one of his books

>>10988107
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=d-nv9nnEnVwC&pg=PT195&lpg=PT195&dq=Mine+is+to+make+insults.+Yours+is+to+be+in-sluts&source=bl&ots=Rv_6GeKc9w&sig=Z8FPUN7cdbSvxEfpW5or-BBtpeY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjmg5eyiLPaAhWlBcAKHbrlBawQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=Mine%20is%20to%20make%20insults.%20Yours%20is%20to%20be%20in-sluts&f=false

>>10988107
Oh yes, sanderson has a horrid sense of humor. I had screen caps of all his shitty jokes but i can't access them now. Most of them run like pic related.

The guy is a full blown retard though. His books are flat out horrible, and he shoves his cliche political views down readers' throats in the most obnoxious ways possible.

>>10988096
I thought he was a faggot hack? That line is great.

Right redpill me on this guy

I'm reading Count to a Trillion and have no shame admitting I've loving it, a great adventurous romp with enough hard scifi to keep my satisfied, but I've been Wright memed too much to just ignore this fedora cunt.

Half Price Books SCORE!
Something about finding unexpected treasure is so satisfying.

>>10983150
same
where's my kaladin for fuck's sake
i want heartwarming brotherhood moments not anime marysue spygirl misadventures

>>10987755
was going to pick it up
is it just a trip or is something awful about it?

>>10988176
I think he realised how terrible Shallan's jokes were - she gets scolded or criticised for them quite a lot in Oathbringer.
Doesn't seem to stop though. This shit brought down my enjoyment of the books significantly.

>>10984080
Morningwood: Everybody Loves Large Chests

>>10988213
He IS the redpill, anon.

>>10988213
Imagine your average fedora tipping athiest who's totally insufferable, but a catholic.

>>10988276
That king's clown guy was fucking terrible. The man couldn't write a decent joke to save his life.

>You think I'm just imagination? Just imagination?
Is there a deeper meaning in this line? Is Wells trying to convey an emotion? Am I thinking too far into this?

>>10988381
yeah wit and shallan are awful characters.

>>10988336
Based Wright triggering the soys.

>>10987244
For me, the longer the better. As long as it's never boring for too long, I can always just put the book down for some time if I get tired and pick it up again later, so it's not like a very long book will put me off. Besides, I read it on my phone and it's nice to have something to do when outside, and I don't have to worry about the weight of the books.

>>10988483
>MUH POPES

>>10984340
Film is a low brow artistic endeavor

>>10987244
300
10 per day
or 600
any multiple of 30

>>10987244
>>10988533
actually i take this back
pages don't matter, what matters is how much is on the page. the bible fits a ton of words onto one page, so reading 10 pages of the bible is like reading 30 pages of a normal book depending on version

y or n? Putting up some new books to read after Three-Body problem (and maybe see what Brandon Sanderson's all about too). im just pirating them anyways but time is time, i buy hardcovers afterwards if they're nice.

>>10987755
It really picks up, so stick with it. Also the subsequent Book of the Short Sun is even better, so its doubly worth it.

>>10988692
>fiest
I now know you have shit tastes. Thus three meme problem is shit.

>>10988755
ok what about everything else

i think this is going to last me all summer

>>10988096
That was a good joke for Brandon "PG-13" Sanderson.

>>10988788
>replay
Ah, Groundhog day anon. We meet again.

>>10988788
>Mistborn Triolgy Book 4
what did they mean by this?

>>10988788
Start with Gene Wolfe and after the other stuff you can jump into a reread. Also, after you finish BoTNS and Dune reading Sanderson will feel like going back to young adult fiction. It can be fun for sure but you'll notice the lack of depth.

>>10988381
>>10988426
Wit's entire job was to literally sit around and shit post in real life

He was literally /ourguy/

>>10986172
The Book of the Long Sun.

>>10987755
It is much, much more straightforward than New Sun. Just keep reading a bit and things will become fairly obvious. This image, which was the cover of the version I read, will help you make sense of about 75% of the only stuff that's even vaguely confusing.

>>10988213
Early success, and probably Vox Day's flattery, got to his head. He needs an editor (The Golden Age was edited by David Hartwell, who also edited fucking BotNS) badly.

He's also a traditionalist Catholic and proud of it, which of course makes certain people mad as fuck.

Even as someone who isn't bothered by any of the above, stay away from his blog. Wright clearly likes to write, and his blog is full of hastily dashed-off and completely unedited bloviating that doesn't live up to even the most amateurishly-edited of his published writing.

That being said, if you can love Count to a Trillion (I do too; it's good) then you'll probably like most of Wright's work.

>>10988499
Return to the soy from whence you came.

>Lord of the Rings... IN SPACE!
Recommend me some kino that fits this description that isn't Dune.

>>10988830
top kek, i was thinking that as well.

>haven't read tolkien
Should I kms?

>>10988692
Magician is all right, but it drags on at times. Skip the chapters with the boat, and some others, you'll know which when you read it. It's a self-contained story and the next ones aren't worth it.

>>10989024
The closest I can think of is Ringworld. A space adventure with a cast of a variety of species and (almost) no women.

>>10987755
>he thought I was memeing with this pic.

>>10988230
>Neil Gaiman
Is he the Eric Roberts of /lit/?

>>10988692
It's comfy. No le edge. A simpler time.

>"you were beaten by those soldiers," she said, seeming to grow smaller.
>"I've gotten back at them. I made one of them trip three times today."
syl a CUTE

I point at an alleyway.

“I gotta take a dump.”

Hyoro and Jaga both have a “is this guy for real?” face on.

“If I don’t do it here now, I’m going to leak while running.”

“That…… does sound pretty serious.”

“So it’s a question of curfew or dignity.”

Their faces turn serious.

“Leave me behind and go on ahead. I don’t want to be seen by anyone……”

“!! Got it, we’ll never tell anyone that you became late because of shitting outdoors!”

“No matter what anyone says, Sid-kun’s choice was the right one…… I truly believe so!”

“Can’t hold on any longer…… quick, go!”

“Sid…… we will never forget you!”

“Sid-kun…… despite the outdoor shitting, we’ll always be friends!”

“Go, you must gooooo!!!”

The two of them turn their heels and run off.

Does anyone have an ebook of this short story? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12:01_PM
I can't find it anywhere and it looks interesting.

>>10988692
The simple good start is simple and good. But the author succumbs to sellitis and lets his jewish editor talk him into writing more books after the story has ended.

>>10987359
Talon of the Silver Hawk is fantasy MC, it gets overlooked because of how many books Feist shat out but it's one of his better ones

Also Steven Brust has a whole series of Dumas inspired fantasy, and by the looks of it the next one will be the monte cristo inspired book.

>>10987359
>>10989887
oh and Demon Princes obviously
read more vance everyone

Is there a greater moment in all fantasy?

>>10986528
ET has got Raynaud's disease.

Almost a year and a half ago I went to a certain used bookstore and passed up a first-edition hardcover of Araminta Station for $7 because I felt I'd already made a big enough haul by the time I got to the corner where it was.

I've been regretting it either since but I went back through the town yesterday -- and it was still there. I now have it safely in my possession. Hopefully it's good.

>>10989919
One that doesn't mirror the Polish cavalry charge at the Battle of Wien

>>10986473
>PLS BUY MY BOOK!!!
Fuck off, Michael J. Sullivan. Nobody wants to buy your shitty book.

>>10989985
not your blog faggot. fuck off

>>10990119
>gets called out
>h-how did he know this about me
>i know I will call him the author and tell him to fuck off
>i have now deflected the truth about me not reading

>>10990206
You're abnormally butthurt by that anon, anon. Go have a beer or something, chill the fuck out

>>10988980
I'd rather pet rabid dogs than get praise from Vox Day

>>10982428

>>10990288
I dunno. Vox Day actually has pretty good taste. I don't 100% agree with this list, for instance, but it's defensible and shows excellent familiarity with the genre:

https://www.blackgate.com/2011/08/14/the-50-best-sff/

>>10989634
Reminds of that time Garak got trashed by 3 Klingons and, while being fixed by his husbando, smirks and tells him that his wounds will heal but the mental scars his insults caused will never go away.

>>10990336
He's an edgelord and utter cunt, despised by authors and publishers alike.

>>10990336
>excellent familiarity
because he copied the books that show up in every top 100 list?

ffs who the fuck sincerely rates lovecraft that much, that's no "excellent familiarity", it's having read fuck all horror

>>10990347
Remember that time he tried to get his culties to vote for him and gurm of all people called him out and, was denied as a consequence and threw a bitchfit?

>>10990374
don't forget about getting repeatedly owned by scalzi, who is just lol.

>>10990432
Scalzi used to have a pretty sharp wit and acerbic writing. Before he went mental of course. That said, he's still pretty good at promoting other writers and he does that constantly, Dog bless his eternally butthurt soul.

>>10986667
>malazan
shit series, can't believe it is so hyped.
Its a fucking rpg game turned book and it shows.

>>10990487
>Its a fucking rpg game turned book
You're that same idiot that always says this aren't you?

>>10989634
She was like a feisty little niece or something during a lot of book 1.

>>10990496
I'm not the guy who repeats how much he hates x all the time, I just wrote it as an afterthought.
Everyone reccomended it, oh how it was far better and much more complex than GRRM. So sure why not let's give it a try. I read 3 books, couldn't finish House of Chains. Began to look at the spoilers after that.

While I liked that he moved outside the regular elf dwarf shit it was not jaw opening. The so called "anthropologist" only has a b.a. in it, so there's that. I think Elder Scrolls did the same job far better, while mostly using the elf-dwarf-orc tropes, but making them more unique. Still I think the races and their history is one of the few "okay" things in the series.

I will not go into his writing style, even mr anthropologist b.a. himself recognizes the first book is a bit harsh on the edges.

But the story, fucking hell its basically a roleplaying game. You can feel it, "group meeting at tavern" "becoming king/emperor" there is even an instance in the book where it is so obivious that they killed an important npc crated by dm and erickson just incorporated it in his book. Dragonlance, the fucking kender infested dragonlance had its origins from the same named ad&d module with the same story, but at least weiss and hickman managed to move out of that in the second and third book. With erickson it is still with you, at least It was still with me in the 4th book and I highly doubt it gets better. I'll not even talk about how sometimes it felt like a Glen Cook fanfic.

Malazan is basically some weird but good unique ideas about race/society + black company + rpg game.

>>10990537
Yep you're that same guy. The nonsensical way you describe events is the same, they're so warped I can't even recognize what part of the books you're even talking about.

>>10990537
>But the story, fucking hell its basically a roleplaying game. You can feel it, "group meeting at tavern" "becoming king/emperor" there is even an instance in the book where it is so obivious that they killed an important npc crated by dm and erickson just incorporated it in his book.
The fuck are you even talking about?

>>10990580
I've read the entire series twice and I have no idea. It sounds like he's badly describing a memory of somebody trying to explain one scene from Gardens of the Moon to him.

>>10990577
I really am not, I believe this is first sffg thread I posted in 2018, most of the time I talk about space operas, logh etc.
I can only guess this is a common complaint, oh well.
>>10990580
Forgive me not a native speaker, but basically the books feel more like a novelization of an rpg game, which I don't like.
>companions meet at tavern
>they create an empire !
I also had read Glen Cook's Black Company before and the influence is obvious.

Again I do like some aspects of Erickson, I wish more writers wrote in Malazan world. Simialr to Ed Greenwood who I believe is a far more shitty writer than Erickson, but FR at least had Paul S Kemp.

>>10990597
>the autistic retarded sperging manlet emperor

Fuck outta here

>>10990640
kaiser gay so what.

>>10990239
>gets called out
>h-how did he know this about me
>i know I will say he doesn't read and tell him to fuck off
>i have now deflected the truth about me being the author shilling for his shitty book

Should i read this? So far what i read and disliked: Reynolds, Clark, Iain Banks, Heinlein, Gibson, Hannu Rajaniemi, Liu Cixin.

Love: Greg Egan, Peter Watts (only Blindsight tho, Echopraxia was meh and Starfish is shite), Neal Stephenson, Stanislaw Lem, Ian McDonald, Dan Simmons.

>>10987025
The Vampyre; A Tale

>>10987025

theres a bunch of casltevania books. a bunch of them are pretty fucking great.
the ones about julius belmont, richter belmont and soma cruz are pretty gud.

>>10989046
You could also try reading Tolkien.

>>10990860
He really shouldn't unless he's 16.

>>10988381
oh fuck that's right
forgot about that guy
I was legit waiting for him to yell BAZINGA after some of the shittier jokes

>stayed up reading
>missed my gym alarm
baru better win i swear to god

>>10989985
I thought it was excellent. Subtle and witty. The sequels not so much.

>>10990908
Why not? I don't understand this idea that Tolkien is best suited for young readers. Actually, since Tolkiens strongest qualities are his wonderful prose and language, qualities a avid reader will appreciate more, I feel that Tolkien is better read as an adult.

Really enjoying Prince of Fools tbqh lads

I just finished this and really enjoyed it. Has anyone else read it? It's horribly depressing.

>>10992023
Yes, I read it because it's quite popular on /sffg/ and enjoyed it

>>10992023
yea i liked it there are problems with it. The celibacy how monks are portrayed, but its something you can expect for a female so its not that bad.

>>10992199
I know next to nothing about religion, especially monks and priests and such, so I didn't notice whatever issues it had. Anything specific?

>>10992506
well the take on celibacy is very basic.
It not just about not having sex, it about rejecting desire for it too. And there are appropriate penance for it too.
her take was well just jerk off , the good looking monk cant turn down a girl you know he did not stop himself form doing it, it fine.
When in reality is not fine.

>>10988980
Alright thanks, I just finished Trillion and while I cede it's certainly nothing incredible it's enjoyable enough for me to continue the series, does it's quality remain consistently high throughout?

What are some nice novels with an old man protagonist?

>>10985990
Dune
A Wrinkle In Time
Ubik
The Handmaid's Tale
Slaughterhouse Five
Neuromancer
The Foundation Trilogy

To name the obvious ones.

>>10992577
Thomas Covenant :)

>>10992659
He's not an old man though?

>>10992577
One of the main characters in David Gemmell's Legend is a old guy.

>>10992650
>one not like the others

>>10989634
>Sanderson actually addressed the fact that Radiants fugging someone with their spren watching would be awkward

>>10992650
Neuromancer have aged like fine milk and The Foundation Trilogy is incredibly boring, the only point of reading it is if you want to understand sci-fi history.

>>10992776
The first book is great. And they are not that long to be that boring.

>>10982511
Post Childhoods end pdf plz

>>10992969
Second link in the sticky, go find it yourself.

>>10990831
Ah hello friend, right you're literally me so I can answer this question.

FUtD basically is split between two narratives, one of these wolf-like aliens (I won't spoil but needless to say it's fantastically creative) and some human adventures. The human chapters suck ASS and fucking drag the rest of the book down. The alien chapters are phenomenal and balance the entire thing out nicely. For that reason alone I say read it.

This answer also applies to related which suffers from literally the same problem, but with spiders instead of wolves.

>>10993107
How much there are of human chapters? Half of the book? Then it's not worth it i guess.

>>10993107
Did you mean to post a pic of Deepness in the Sky?

I wonder whether SFF readers prefer physical books or ebooks more? Part of me thinks that SFF fans would be more likely to use ereaders when compared with people who solely read "literary fiction".

>>10993372
Hardcovers only

I don't read on inferior materials

>>10986473
hahahaha holy fucking CRINGE.

>>10993372
caring one way or the other is object fetishism

the only exception is stuff that genuinely reads better in one format or the other i.e. the footnotes in discworld novels work better in print

This book is SERIOUSLY fucked up

>>10991648
STOP FORCING THIS MEME
TOLKIEN A SHIT AND YOU ARE A DOUBLE FAGGOT FOR PUSHING IT

>>10992079
>I read it because it's quite popular on /sffg/
>first mention of this book in sffg's 3+ years was after February 2018

>>10993508
>caring one way or the other is object fetishism
Unless you can come up with an argument that reading an ebook and reading a physical book feel exactly the same this is simply wrong.

>preferring a Porsche over a Trabant is object fetishism

>>10992023
Just finished it this week. Excellent from start to finish.

>>10993541
That’s just like, your opinion, man.

Also, I'm not pushing shit. I responded to your post pushing your own stupid opinion.

>>10993505
>h-he caught me

>>10993554
>Trabant
Why you hating on Mr Bean's car?

>>10993144
Well desu the human chapters are fairly interesting at the start and they're used to describe some of the novels more interesting concepts (Zones of Thought), but towards the later half of the novel the human characters were just such boring cliche it put me off majorly.

>>10993237
No I've not read Deepness, any good? Same problems?

>>10993580
Do you honestly think that Mr Bean would buy a good car?

>>10993554
I didn't think I would be seeing /trabant/posting in /sffg/but here we are

are there any fantasy/sci-fi books with a protagonist that has a small dick + crippling anxiety

>>10992549
Yeah the quality remains high, although the series has some flaws made a little more frustrating by how great some of the concepts are. I actually think Trillion is the worst book of the series, although maybe only because it's not as out there as what comes next.

Should I read Malazan Book of the Fallen after Lord of the Rings?

>>10993107
I preferred the human chapters in Deepness in the Sky. I just didn't care for the Spiders and wanted more human drama.

>>10993569
Go be soy somewhere else.

>>10994267
>soy
I hate soy.
Cow milk all the way.
That meme is never going to catch on pol.
What do you say to body builders who use soy whey protein?

>character is a literal tech genius
>really obsessed with designing gravity/spacetime themed tech
>has a snake/crocodile motif

Am I obligated to make him an apple fanboy?

>>10994278
You do understand that cow milk has tons of estrogen, right?

>>10993372
i read ebooks, either on my kobo or cellphone, but I buy hardcovers when I end up liking it. It's too bad it's hard to get hardcovers on many books even if they are classics (i.e. Dune or BotNS)

>>10993585
>No I've not read Deepness, any good? Same problems?
Oh, your statement
>This answer also applies to related which suffers from literally the same problem, but with spiders instead of wolves.
describes it, down to the spiders even.
I do like it a bit better than Fire though. The dog packs are really neat, but IIRC the spiders get more time spent on them.

>>10994192
No, read a standalone palate cleanser in between

>>10994278
>soy whey
Oy vey.

>>10993372
I do both, but I like having the physical books because covers.

>>10993372
believe me or not, but it been scientifically proven that physical books are better.

>>10993372
Audiobooks for me.

>>10994287
Powdered estrogen?
I use powder milk. Not the water shit you Americlaps use.

>>10994410
audiobooks 4 lyfe

>>10994278
See: >>10994267

>>10992577
Hyperion.

sword sheathed on the back or side?

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>>10994518
sorry

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