/lit/ - Literature

>>10969632
Literally everything he wrote

Read Dostoyevsky

There are no arguments against nihilism.

>>10969632
nihilism is it's own antithesis, just like communism.

>>10969637
lol. shut the fuck up you booger

OP watered-down last man nihilism is psycho-somatic and more a reflection of your own physical, mental, and yes, even spiritual :^), condition than any inherent truth-value

>>10969640

thank you. please give me cheat codes to enter into my brain to make me not think this way. i know i dont want to kill myself deep down but every night i think more and more about how pointless everything is so i think one day (soon) I will hang myself in my apartment

muh nihilism
muh nihilism
stop caring about this stupid word. you are crying over a word cuck. dont kill yourself over a word you little cuckboy. i bet you cant even explain what you mean by nihilism, little cuck. you are cuck. die cuck. you were born a nihilist and you will die a nihilist. you are little cuck.

>>10969653
sounds like your lost in life which is why nihilism resonates with you. there are no cheat codes. if reality's a void then make yourself a star or tie that noose. your worldview will evolve with your spirit. if you're not already exercising, eating clean, meditating, doing nofap, and cutting out all vidya/anime/passive, consumptive activity you should get on that

>>10969661

im doing those i feel empty whether or not i masturbate. its not helping either way.

>>10969664
reality's only as full as you are. and are you really doing these things? I doubt it. return to nature. get in touch with something beyond language. nihilism is as much a slant on the unknowable x that reality is as everything, it just confuses this mystery for a meaningless void

>>10969632

>>10969674


took great minds of china in uni. did not like reading this. confucius had much more interesting things to say.

>>10969632
If life has no purpose it didn't prevent countless people from living as though it did.

>>10969632
Deconstruction is immaterial. Truth is manifest.

>>10969634
This.
The will to power, the Ubermensch. Amor fati...

>>10969753
Cringe

>>10969634
he only writes about eating fruit though, gets old fast

>>10969753
loving fatties won't save you though

I won't explain in detail all of what got me out of nihilism but I'll show you the path that got me out

1. I realized that Kant was right about transcendental idealism.
2. This made me realize that morality does not need to exist mind independently in order to escape nihilism.
3. Then I realized that morality requires no justification because thinking in moral terms is simply one characteristic of the mind much like thinking in logical terms is one characteristic of the mind. Attempting to logically demonstrate morality to be justified is as misguided as attempting to logically demonstrate that we are actually seeing colors.

>>10969632
The understanding that life has no inherent purpose is probably the greatest gift your existence can ever receive, if there was a purpose there would be rules, which appeal more to our understanding but ultimately enslave us. Absolute freedom is so terrifying that as soon as it is felt we try to subject ourselves toward anything to get rid of it. So you should stop being afraid of what is an absolute blessing and enjoy the rare opportunity of being and doing anything.

>>10969778
>there are no rules
>you should enjoy doing things
why can't non-nihilists go 2 seconds without contradicting themselves?

>>10969782
>enjoy
\ in-ˈjȯi , en- \
transitive verb
1 : to have for one's use, benefit, or lot : experience

I know how you feel OP. I want to kill myself so fucking bad but Im memed into existence by my retarded family who should have never reproduced to being with. Fucking infuriating. I never asked for any of this.

The Bible but you have to experience it with your heart fist then your mind.

>>10969632
Read Kirkegaard

>>10969784
Wanting to enjoy things is a rule, it suggests that that's what one should do.

>>10969632
>arguements against nihilism please
Figure 1.

>>10969632
Figure 2.

>>10969632
When you realise that nothing matter, truth doesn't mean anything and everything we do it s just useless; you know the Freedom.
Check the difference beetween negative and active nihilism.

>>10969799
The greteast cuckboy among the german philosopher? His philosophy is only for losers who can't exercise will of power.

>>10969632
Why commit suicide? Sounds like a value judgement.

>>10969801
>enjoy the rare opportunity of being and doing anything
does not exclude
>not enjoying things
>not doing shit
>killing yourself
I swear this board has no reading comprehension whatsoever.

>>10969803
>>10969804
You are a slave to your hormones, no different from a stray dog

>>10969753
lmfao
the list goes on..

I want to read something of Thomas Mann.
What does /lit/ think about him and where should i start?

>>10969824
by going to the library

>>10969824
I always recc starting Tonio Kröger -> Buddenbrooks

>>10969661
Is reading fiction a passive consumptive activity in your eyes?

>>10969775
Morality cannot be justified in moral terms. Checkmate....

>>10969814
>implying nihilism isn't a product of abnormal hormones

test

>>10969811
Ok you fuck how about excersising your brain into divine madness? If my only other hopes are art, superman, and killing myself, I'd rather strive to find God.

>>10969915
muh god. god **burrrrPP** doesnt exist.

>>10969637
Teleology completely destroys nihilism.

>>10969801
>>10969782
you are retardo

Take some psychedelics, cured my atheism and nihilism

>>10969803
>>10969804
Jesus answered them: Amen, amen I say unto you: that whosoever committeth sin, is the servant of sin.
John 8:34

>>10969632
>Arguments
You aren't worth the air you waist.

>>10969920
M a d n e s s on purpose, subscribing to what you doubt until it is true to you. I think your overlooking how good a deal it can be.

>>10969632
>>10969931
this op

I don't know you're current situation, but I do know that you can't undo suicide. Try out some lsd and see if it changes how you view the world

Get some nice sleep and cook an awesome breakfast when you wake up

>>10969632
>>10969653
The transcendent self does not exist. You have noright to kill all futureselvves bykilling your body.
You die tonight when you fall asleep anyway.
What gives life meaning for me is to live a life I know future selves will be proud and thankfull for.

>>10969824
Star with Felix Krull. Buddenbrooks a best though.

Just because "god" doesn't exist doesn't mean there isn't a bigger purpose. After all, what's "purpose"? It's just a cause. And we know for certain that we are caused to exist, something is pushing us along, making ways out like suicide really difficult.
So yeah, what causes us to exist, or any of the universe for that matter? Don't know? Then how the fuck can you say nothing matters?
"Yeah but we have no effect on anything either way"
That's true, for now.
100s of years ago, it was crazy to think that we would go to the moon.
1000s of years ago, it was crazy to think that we would go to the other side of the world.
Longer before that, it was crazy to think you'd know what's even beyond the woods.
You might see where I'm going with this: you wanna know why living is worth the trouble? Why we even do? What we can do with our existence? STEM, baby.
But I'm guessing if you're looking for answers here, you weren't really looking for an answer, just an easy way out.

Pussy.

>>10969804
HNNNNNNNNG
This just made ME suicidal

>>10969935
Currently I'm 33 inches around :(

>>10969943
Are you 15?
God are you retarded

>>10969955
Why

>>10969632
Please don't kill yourself, anon.

>>10969933
>Genesis 1:27
>So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
you got a problem with the Big Man, tough guy?

>>10969936
I tried... false consolation is a horrible cage.
>>10969943
You say cause, but it would be better if you meant "cause" in the Aristotleian sense of "end cause", that which something is directed toward, than merely that which something comes from. But you're a pseud.

forgot the chosen milkers

>>10969925
what teleology? there's no teleology

>>10969961
why?

>>10969961
I understand... but what if I can believe? I see people I believe to be true Christians and Muslims etc. And they live with such conviction. I'm jealous; I have no ideal I could imagine that is better than serving the infinite. Helping bring forth the Ubermensch sounds like a bigger cucking desu.

>>10969943
>>10969955
>>10969961
>>10969966
Nihilism is fucking retarded to begin with, just look at its supporters; none of them more than wordy fucks who thought they could figure out life by hiding in a room and never actually testing what they were so busy hypothesising about.
Not saying that they weren't smart, but they sure as shit were arrogant, enough to think that they could claim life is meaningless with the same amount of evidence that they had created their previous false god with.

>>10969982
hello teenage retard

>>10969959
This doesn't mean we were made in the physical image of God. We don't know what God looks like. Genesis 1:27 refers to the fact that we share non-physical attributes with God, such as logic, compassion and love. It doesn't specifically mean that God has 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 ears and a long white beard.

>>10969984
Hello, avid nihilist! I can tell you are because your replies are meaningless too

>>10969943
cringe

>>10969982
Dude shut the fuck up.

>>10969987
okay smart mouth why does that line in Genesis specify they were made in God's image and say they were made male and female if it wasn't referring to physical image. Why doesn't it say "logical and compassionate he made them." Or even "sensing and feeling he made them."

>>10970000
>>10970003
That's it, I'm quitting 4chan!

>>10970008
Because the whole dog does not have a body shit is a later development and you have to make all the itchy contradictions wash away

Are there still good authentic works being made that convincingly sell a happy ending between to people?

Serious question. Do you know the book Kill All Normies? I think she's right. But the conclusion is not nihilistic enough.

>>10970019
>calls upon the authority of Scripture in arguments
>but not when it is inconvenient
WEW

>>10970036
What's the point of the image?

>>10970038
Yes exactly. What do you expect? An honest debate about whether cuckstianity makes sense with a religitard?

>>10970041
You've been demoted. You're going back to studying the Greeks, sonny boy, because you need to learn how to not be a sophist.

>>10969632
They have to present a good argument first, case in point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaUdfzdfRxM

>>10970008
>why...say they were made male and female if it wasn't referring to physical image.
Because using "male and female" in this sentence is a way of saying "everybody/everyone".
If you contrast Genesis 1:27 with the earlier verses (think of 1:20-25), you'll see that it starts off with God making beasts, fish and birds and the like. These are all physical beings, but do not contain the Holy Spirit within them. They are not made in the likeness of God, they're simply made-beings.
Now we move to 1:26 and we see a change. Suddenly God decides to make another physical being, human, but in his own image. This is a stark contrast to what we saw earlier. Suddenly humans are distinct from the aforementioned beasts of water, land and air. We are different because we are imbued with the qualities of reason and love.
Also, if it hasn't occured to you yet, I'm not this (>>10970019) faggot

>>10970040
There are German love comedies that sell a positive picture authentically, but -while I think there are sometimes good- those are film that never take any risk or try to say something new.

>>10970055
Your argument is the same as his, unconvincing, as the understanding you suppose simply does not follow from the text.

The way out of nihilism is solipsism. The only thing we are capable of knowing is the "interior" reality inside of our brain. We can't interact with objects outside of our mind, but only our mental "perceptions" of those objects, which may or may not exist (we have no way to know). What this means is that the world that you experience is simply your mind, and that is the only world which can be accessed. Since your mind is the world, "subjective" values or meaning that you hold are actually "objective" since they are facts of the world. Of course if your mind is the world, then other "beings" in that world are also your mind; i.e. you are all people. The minds of other "you" (if they exist) may constitute other worlds, but the collapse of subjectivity/objectivity remains in each world.

>>10970036
>Are there still good authentic works being made that convincingly sell a happy ending between to people?
Only in anime/VNs.

>>10970082
bullshit

>>10970075
>as the understanding you suppose simply does not follow from the text.
Which part are you unconvinced by? The fact that "man and woman" can be used in a way to mean "everyone", or by the comparison of the facets of humans in comparison to animals.
Let me know, maybe I can help explain it better.

Also, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you're not religious. Because if you are, I'd love to know your reasoning for why God is humanoid.

>>10970102
It is not bullshit, other me.

>>10970104
I have sincere faith but do not attend religious gatherings.

And my reasoning for Yahweh the God of Israelites being humanoid is printed all over the Old Testament. In the Garden of Eden, Adam hides from God and God goes looking for him, calling out. This implies limited senses, and an ambulatory nature. Much later, in Exodus, God returns to the Israelites and finds them worshiping a golden calf. God is absolutely flabbergasted by these shit-for-brains stiff-necked Israelites and tells Moses to leave Him alone in His anger. When God sends the tenth plague to Egypt to kill all the firstborn males, when God dropped nukes on Sodom and Gommorrah, when God cursed the Israelites to wander the desert for forty years... these were all done from wrath. A human emotion. Yahweh is a national god, like Odin or Zeus or Mars.

The God of the New Testament is never seen, and only referenced as the Father.

https://youtu.be/i12PVn891rc?t=1468

>>10970199
damn..

>>10970199
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/anthropopathy

Read Nietzsche of course but other than that you have to read ancient history(parallel lives) because there is nothing more refreshing.

>>10969653
Don't kill yourself, anon. You never know what the future holds, both for you and humanity.

>>10970251
intended for >>10969793 too.

>>10969658
This is what happens when you truly have nothing to lose, but operate under the illusion that you have so much too lose. Anon here either has a limited vocabulary for expression or sincerely uses that work cuck to compel action in others. Why cuck? It tells us so much. Where he comes from, where he posts, even what he posts. 'Look out for the big black bulls, the Muslim hordes, coming to take 'our' women.' Truth is, he has no women to possess, if he even has anything to possess at all. So we see his fear is actually a kind of desire. For what? Not to be the cuckold, but to be the bull. When people fear being fucked it's really a larger anxiety over a perceived loss in status, loss in traditional values, loss of a world that never truly was. This is pure ideology. What he wants is to be the Muslim. Cucked. Say it louder, anon. Once more, with style.

>>10970298
i'm glad my alleged linguistic shortcomings serve as fertile soil for your sexual ramblings, anon. why should i want to possess women? i have no attraction to the fairer sex. in truth, it is men, boys, that i want. you are male, yes? you have irritated me, and you ought to be punished..

>>10970315
y-yeah, I'm "male"
w-wat do you have in mind, daddy?

>>10969632
>before i commit suicide
fucking do it, pathetic piece of shit

>>10970332
24 hour bdsm bondage naked tickle torture balls and thighs tormented with feather duster

>>10969632

I see threads about Le Stranger almost everyday on this board and yet no one ever talks about pic related. At best there's opinions regarding "happiness". This and Nietzsche are the only suitable answers.

>>10970364
i see retards talking about LE EPIC SISYPUSS on this board all the time. but most disregard this sophistry!! and qutie rightly. do not put it in the same category as nietzsche.

What about listening to Jordan Peterson? Not memeing, I'm serious.

>>10970338
How long do I have to wait for this? The void might be patient, but I'm not.

>>10970378
come to western australia

>>10969824
the one about the magic onion

>>10970383
brb getting passport

pic for reference. I have the same waist, but I'm 2-3 inches shorter and weigh a little less.

>>10970400
from whence do you come, travelling tortured body?

>>10970409
Canada. I actually had a vague plan to move to Australia after high school with a couple of friends, but it was the kind of talk that led nowhere, just kept the silence from spoiling our Chinese food.

>>10969632
Maps of Meaning

>>10970102
You stupid fuck that man just gave you the knowledge to control you inner world/outer world. They may be the most important words your eyes will ever see. Pearls before the swine

>>10970102
not bullshit but absolutely irrelevant. while anon is actually right this has no consequence on your action at all. its masturbatory, just like nihilism

>>10970430
I had a crush on a Canadian boy when I was 13. It didn't work out. Later on he moved back to Canada and then moved back again to Australia, to be with us guys again, but now again he seems to have become a recluse - only a recluse in another country.

Do you have multiple pictures of women with similar builds to you (?) at hand always

>>10970332
>daddy

Don't do it eddy, you'll end stabbing out your own eyes

>>10969782
Make your own rules and do what you like. If you don't like doing anything at all, try out new things or just kill yourself.

>>10970453
>>10970453
Wouldn't have been me, but I wish it was. I wasn't crush-worthy at 13. Too moody and pudgy.

I just did a search for Andreja Pejic. Personally I think I preferred her as Andrej, but I like her either way. I could find trashier. I'm actually a little different: little more on thighs, a bit less on chest, hair about shoulder length. My arms might be a little bigger, but they're shrinking because I haven't touched a weight in over a year now.

>>10969965
Biological teleology

>>10970490
>that pic
absolutely horrifying

There was a good part of Crime and Punishment where Do reflects on his mock execution and talks about standing on a dark narrow cliff for all eternity would be a lot nicer than not feeling anything at all.

>>10970490
I kinda like pudgy boys though. He was a little pudgy, in the best ways... like, impossible to call fat, and not like he had extra weight or anything, just a fleshiness to the form...

>>10969653
I had the same feelings, though they have died down to a whimper through the last year. It really isnt worth it to think about the worthlessness of life. If you do have to think about it then use it as a tool. Instead of thinking that life is worthless, think that you can shape it how you wish.

>>10970451
I think it puts you back at existentialism (after all you will still have to find your own meaning), but grounds things a bit differently so that you can view that meaning as a property of the world rather than just your own subjective thoughts.

>>10970482
>>10970499
Hush, sweetie. Mommy is meeting a nice man here.

>>10970510
I am carrying a little extra winter weight, I'll confess. My butt is filling out. I'd spent a lot of years trying to slim out and be as thin as a rail, because I'd given in to a typical North American childhood: video games and snack food. My teen years were more about reading and riding my bike as a form of rebellion. Around the house I'd roll up my shorts, tie my plaid up around my chest, and get comfy with a nice read.

Do you like tattoos? I've been wanting one but I'm a little too indecisive. I had thought about Yggdrasil up my side, or a white whale on the arm. My father used to ready Moby-Dick to me when I was little. He used to send me books like Tolkien, Heller, Salinger. But he's dead now.

>Hush, sweetie. Mommy is meeting a nice man here.
I FUCKING KNEW IT. Fig. 1 and Fig. 2 were correct. Sex absolutely is an argument against nihilism.

>>10970534
I've never really been keen on tattoos. How can I justify it? It's aesthetic and also social, elitist. I like bare flesh, I like pure nakedness, something about the primordial condition of a nude body. Exposing yourself to someone without dress or markings, as naked as the day you were born. I feel like, for me, it would ruin it to see some pop culture or even high art, literary or traditional thing on someone's body during intimacy. It feels like turning the body into a commodity. Distracting the mind with representations. I also associate it with certain types of people and attitudes I dislike, so it's a prejudice. Maybe it's arbitrary. If I were laying in the forest with some tribesman, his tattoos might feel more natural, more authentic, more "part of his being". But what is the distinction between that and a person in Western culture who receives a tattoo? It is not a contrived behaviour... it's not exactly inauthentic given how common it is. There is a value judgement there, there's some perceived difference in quality, but it lays beneath the surface.

I like your description of your teen years anon. I can picture the North American autumn around you.

Suicide is pointless because it doesn't undo having suffered the pain of being alive, in the same way you can't take your virginity back.

>>10969632

Nihilism implies its own irrelevance.

>>10969775
Aristotelian ethics are easier and more fulfilling to follow

>>10970588
I used to be prejudiced against tattoos because my father was very much anti-body modification in any way. He was very traditional, but flawed, and he became a reactionary in his later years. Part of that, I suspect, was not being able to live up to his own ideals. I only applied myself because of him, and he didn't get to see it.

Autumn always was my favourite season, the best time to read. The temperature was always right for me, and I loved dressing up for Halloween most of all. Once friends got their licenses I'd get rides all over, from the shore to old forgotten roads, and autumn always was the best time to look out the window and take it all in. Corn mazes were a blast, too. Seeing the leaves fall off the trees, building piles, and hiding in them. Nothing was better.

Winter is too harsh and confining, not as comfy as photographers or landscape painters make it out to be. They lie. And as the snow begins melting you become aware of all the dirt beneath the pure white surface. All of the discarded cigarette butts, animal waste, and garbage people just tossed there, the unraked leaves. Cities are worse because all of the traffic kicks up slush onto the snowbanks, and there's an indetermimable gray muck everywhere. Sand and salt get tracked indoors. The whole thing is a mess and it amazes me how much human effort goes into sustaining the whole enterprise we've put together for ourselves, just the effort to achieve a hint of comfort.

Spring isn't much better. Spring is nature's desperate attempt to wash it all away. When I was living in a small town I'd look out my little window down this one road that led to a town with even less prospects. The sight was very evocative, but never pleasant, because with each year it seemed it took the trees even longer to regrow their leaves. I used to imagine a day where they'd just stop altogether.

Summer is only nice if you live near the shore, but otherwise it's too stifling with the heat. I don't have much to say about it, but I long for childhood when my mom and I would skip stones in the creek. She's too weak now, and has trouble moving, but she never took care of herself.

You're very thoughtful, though, I like how you can articulate why you don't like them. That's easier to respect and understand instead of pure revulsion. Truth is, I'm not comfortable with my naked flesh so I want to cover it up. To be naked is to be vulnerable. In a different life I'd have been born with the ability to conceive, and I'd dutifully fill that role, always having breakfast and supper ready, perfecting that pumpkin pie recipe. Yet here I am, having to settle, and trying to come to terms with the fact that this is life. All people do is settle.

*furiously hits update*

>>10969632
Idiot, you’re looking at it all wrong. You’re going to die anyway. We have no idea what is beyond death. It could be nothingness, an end, it could be great, it could be hell...

You fucking exist. Keep existing until you don’t. Don’t wish yourself into the unknown before your time. Simple.

>>10970687
spoken like a true sea squirt

>>10969803
what if I'm gay

>>10970691
replace with the very same exact same booty, except knit the labia together into a ballbag and hang a dingaling off the front. eat ass. really, humans are still animals and the strongest arguments against nihilism are our basest, hormonally driven desires.

>>10970664
I always seemed to be the most comfortable and at ease in Winter out of all the seasons - which I imagine is a very different experience in the dry warm climate of the west coast of Australia than it is in much of America. When I say comfortable it might be more accurate to say cozy... there is a dull, languid comfort to the intermediary seasons but Winter keeps you on edge, and the contrast makes you more aware of the inward heat and sensitive flame hidden under layers of skin and clothing. Fingers sticking out of thick jumpers, red smiles with cold cheeks placed against the grey sky. Shifting inward feelings and motionless outward gazes. A season with air to let subtle cherished memories slowly crystallise. The middle of the year (here), a timeless place, everything paused; free from events and landmarks and milestones.

My family prejudices might best be described as lower middle class. Tolerance and levity of higher education mixed with something of the humility but also resentment of poorness. Bemused, easy elitism of manners paired with an instinct of frustration with unfairness, egoism and open haughtiness. Petit bourgeois? Displaced brahmin?

This might be either impolite or obvious, but when you talk about discomfort with your body, does include gender dysphoria?

>shitpost cukc cukc cuck
>reply to anon saying i want to bdsm rape him
>end up in this conversation
feels good man

Asking the question is the first step. Follow through with that and suddenly you've found yourself on the path of meaning.

>>10969793
>>10969653
I suggest you see a therapist.

>>10970758
>>10970758
I'd like to experience that some day. Winter in Australia, I mean. The climate here is being indecisive- winter is struggling to let go. It could be a chill that intrudes to your bones one day, or a deceptive mild the next, and one never knows how to dress. All this talk of the weather, yet I'm still under the covers. Sunday never inspires action. Reading is a best case scenario.

Lately I've been writing a lot, because I've had an ever-evolving novel in my mind. I don't know if it would resonate with a lot of people, but here's the skinny of it: early into transition, a creatively bankrupt mtf wrestles with the fact that she's robbing herself of the biggest excuse (gender dysphoria) for not accomplishing anything with her life so far, and now has to confront larger existential questions, namely 'and then what?' Along the way she encounters her doppelganger, herself if she were to have "manned up", and is haunted by phantoms of her father, a detective searching for her former self,
leading her to question what's even real as she understands it. How do we move past a life trapped in aesthetics? And then what do we do with ourselves?

Some things that have influenced this over the years, though I'm not always capable of speaking to at lengths, because I'll admit my tendency to forget the details of some books over time: Fifth Business by Robertson Davies, Descent into Hell by Charles Williams, A Little Lumpen Novelita and Distant Star by Roberto Bolaño. Sometimes I borrow a nice sentence structure from a book, or make note of words to use. I sometimes struggle with form, but content flows naturally.

So that's where I'm at. It started off bring one thing, but now my character is writing the original idea I had, adding a slight metafiction aspect. I'm trying to keep it from becoming too autobiographical, but after enough time I end up writing about my life.

I too come from a lower middle class family, but my dad supplemented his income with criminal activity. Eventually my parents split and I ended up moving with my mom to an even more humble lot. That's probably around the time I first began imagining my life as a woman, but I don't want to connect that to a specific event. Truthfully, the concept always interested me and my stories as a kid, but it wasn't until I found myself in a strange new place with no friends, no phone, no internet, or anything that I was forced to become more acquainted with my mind. And so I imagined myself as an adult woman having to take a train into work, adjusting my hair, checking my makeup in a compact. There was never much of a sexual component to it, though I do have a longing to bring life into the world. Fatherhood repulses me, however, and the only time I ever entertained that prospect was in the wake of my father's death, until I realized that was more of a desire for the things we used to do together: reading, going to a play, watching a baseball game.

>>10969933
Yo this is a straight quote from Jesus son of God everybody!

>>10970874
*genuflects*

>>10969653
Youve got no right to be depressed, you haven’t tried hard enough to like it.

I'm seeing some suggestions throughout the thread but can I get a quick list of good novels that combat nihilism and/or hedonism?

>>10970916
Nihilism : Playboy the Complete Centerfolds
Hedonism : the Bible

>>10969653
>I have a problem with me
>Someone else should fix it
Might want to reconsider an heroing

>>10970870
I like the novel idea anon. I can relate to it. For me, there's a trepidation connected with the idea of not being depressed one day. Being 'functional', exposed. Depression is like a queasy, empty coccoon, but there is something cosy about it. A false womb. Being alive again, being active, not being on a kind of indefinite sick leave... is a scary thought. Depression is unbearable but, from inside it, the alternative almost seems worse. It's hard to believe that it can be a comfortable, enjoyable existence. Everything is fraught with suffering, of course, but those everyday pangs necessary for living seem unconquerable.

I've only been writing pieces. Short fictions, essays, scribblings and diary entries and schizo shit. The idea of writing a novel hasn't appealed to me for a while, but lately I've been getting the itch to write some kind of bildungsroman or something. A Buddenbrooks. A Törless. There's no real reason I shouldn't write a first novel. I think a lot of what I want to express is probably easier in a novel format than in the condensed, concentrated form of the short story. There's more space for breathing. Maybe I'll try it. I think I'll always enjoy writing little autistic Borges-type things though.

What you said about memories of your dad and the momentary impression that you wanted to be a father affected me.
On a sort-of related note, I feel a subdued, empathic pain when I think about the fact that I'm my dad's only son, and that I'm a faggot. He's such a tolerant, kind person, and the fact that he wouldn't resent it or hold me in contempt, but that I might still cause some indeterminable suffering somewhere, deep down, some kind of loss, guiltless, innocent loss... that pains me. That my father and his union with my mother, might all end with me. Dust.

>>10970870
>>10971009
My apologies if I've been holding you captive by the way anon. I'll probably go to sleep about now but I'll definitely keep the thread open and check it in the morning (probably in about 7 or 8 hours). If my capacity to reply ends before then though, I'll just say that it's been enjoyable and enlightening talking with you.

>>10969632
I suggest you see a therapist, anon.

>>10969756
You’re right in such a worthless human. I should just go and kms with OP. Your opinion is so valuable, thank you for gracing us all with it. I truly hope that you become a public voice against all those who make you cringe in the future. You should start a YouTube channel! You should rip Jordan Peterson and all of the authors people think are classics but you know are just pseuds.
People will revere your opinion. They will make compilation videos called “Anon absolutely GOES OFF on Jordan Peterson!”

>>10970896
I knew this place was cultured

>>10969958
Now he has to, wtf anon.

>>10971009
I never wanted much in this world. As a kid I was content with the flowing waters, the breeze, the falling leaves, and exploring some imaginative world. I never had much innocence to speak of, because I had seen a lot by the time I was 11, which was the only time I had attempted suicide. Since then I can easily summarize the long stretches between fleeting moments of joy: anhedonia, ennui, longing for something else, to be someone else. Everything you've said speaks to me, and I do admit a pang of envy that you can express yourself all the more eloquently. Gender aside, the only impulse I've ever felt was to write, and I'm ashamed I've accomplished so little. Two pathetic poems I've published, and a couple of encyclopedia entries I do not speak of. My professor told me my writing was stilted, terse, and lacking both conviction and excitement. But I have ideas. Maybe it was the right motivation, the right disposition that I was lacking to hone my craft. My heart wasn't aflutter. So why bother?

My life right now is just a series of ending ups. I've ended up in an office job - salaried, comfortable, with benefits and a pension. My life insurance has no beneficiary. I don't do much, leaving plenty of time to read. I couldn't tell you what I actually do, what I actually produce, because it's nothing of value: reports, timecards, and so on. It's in a small white room, no decor, part-time, and I'm largely left to my own devices. Unfulfilling is how I'd describe it. All my material needs are met, and then what? What next? I never felt that for one second I was setting the sails, handling the rudder. Even with all my time I cannot conceive of what to do with myself except take another walk along the river.

Maybe we're meant to be the last of our lines. I cannot offer much solace, because I cannot offer that which I do not possess, except flesh. If there's any hope it's that our exchange has brought something out of us and we can set it down, send it out into the world, offering to others that which we seek. I'd read you. Take you in word by word, line by line. If you still want to hold me down, bind me, then write. p-please.

>>10971009
>>10971152
Get a room you poofters.

>>10971022
>>10971022
I'll probably shower now, I suppose. But I will also keep the thread open.

At the risk of killing the magic I'll link a Goodreads I've made:
>https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/79865030-shauna-trannonica

I only threw it together because of /lit/, and because I wanted to leave a record of some kind.

>>10969674
>OP asks for arguments against nihilism
>Anon gives him "we are straw dogs", the book

What did he mean by this?

>>10969804
my man

Nothing convinces me more that life is without purpose, meaning, or worth than all these faggots and their calls to hedonism.

>>10970664
Fuck me this entire post reeks of homosexuality. I seriously hope that you're a girl or else you should kill yourself you raging homo.

>>10971310
You're not an astute reader, are you? That whole back and forth took place between a self-confessed faggot and a gender dysphoric male.

>>10971351
Oh so he LITERALLY is a faggot. Makes sense. And no, I am not gonna read all that shit.

>>10971368
Or even worse, someone who is LARPING as a self-confessed faggot.

>>10969653

>>10969632
>>10970635

Also, commuting suicide simply because of life's harrowing is of negative value, since your rejection of its harrowing is your affirmation of its "joy". The Cosmic wheel is a breaking wheel.

>>10971896
>commuting suicide
Which train to Suicide Station?

>>10971909
The one that moves fastest.

>>10971923

Easy: The WILDERNESS is your salvation.

Not some dreamy utopia, but simply those aspects of the living earth, including human life, beyond civilizational management or control--the environment you were physically and mentally adapted to live in for millions of years.

Oh, and Theodore Kaczynski is your savior.

Read two books:

TECHNOLOGICAL SLAVERY

and

ANTI-TECH REVOLUTION: WHY AND HOW

>>10969640
>thinks there is such thing as a spirit
Opinion discarded

the moment you seriously think about suicide, you've already completely failed as a human being

at that point, you really should commit to it and leave the earth so you no longer taint it

>>10972297
>impotent stoic sterility
everyone who is tragic minded has contemplated suicide you unfeeling nigger

>>10972297
why is everyone who posts classical statues on here such a fucking moron? you're almost making me art classical art

So I recently watched all of Evangelion for the first time after having always been pretty skeptical of anime, and it actually might have been the most life affirming thing I've ever seen, much more so than the existentialist literature type stuff I've read. Specifically Rei's questioning to Shinji of "Then what is your hand for? Then what is your heart for?" just seemed to really cut to the emotional core of the sense and value in making an impression on the world.

Does this mean I'm a hopeless pleb for being moved by this weeb shit?

>>10972393
eva is probably one of the few good anime
there are like 10 or 11

>>10972393
Absolutely not. NGE is heavily influenced by literature and Hideaki Ano still holds the title for the most influential in the entire medium. I have absolutely zero respect for anyone whos never seen it, or people who express emotional attachment to Rei

Only stupid faggots are nihilists.
Refute it, you can't.

>>10972428
is this OP trying to get more replies

>>10972393
No, it's one of the most affecting works out there. It's beautiful, "then what is your hand for?" is just so pithy: you really are nothing, yet here you are. Philosophers like Zizek and Schelling talk about passing through this zero-point of despair all the time.

>>10970003
>>10970000
>>10969984
How do we do away with such empty shitposts like these?

>>10972312
>>10972320

t. buttblasted suicidal soyboys

>>10972393
Not to just repeat what everyone else has said or to fall into hyperbole but End of Eva is the best animated movie ever made and one of the best films ever made.

>>10969632
Behaviourism is not Nihilism.

>>10969938
>Do LSD to feel better about myself
>realize I’m just an insignificant speck trapped on a bigger but still insignificant speck suspended in a never ending abyss
>literally get sweaty palms and feet like I’m peering over a cliff
Whoops. Mushrooms are a much happier and content feeling.

I was literally 1 week before committing suicide. I had everything planned out and even had the suicide note written down. I was just waiting for my 18th birthday.

Literature saved me.
I started reading Dosto and it fucking changed my life. I also started reading some Philosophy and unironicly started watching JBPs YouTube videos on the Bible.
I started reading the Bible and I feel 10000x happier and smarter than I was. I'm still a poor kid with bad grades and no gf because of terrible bad looks but at least now I'm fucking happy about being alive.

Mock me if you feel like it but at the end of the day I'm fucking happy and still alive

>>10973226
I know this feeling. Felt like I found a new lease on life when I first discovered philosophy and esoterics. It doesn't last. Arm yourself with what literature has taught you, but a tool by itself can't save you.

>>10973226
>bad grades
Not to belittle you but you haven’t even lived long enough to suffer

>>10973231
I know that. I've had a few relapses in the last month's but I pretty much changes All of my routine and replaced the lazy fucktard actions with literal Chad routine.

Started caring for my health, my education, my finances, my family, my relationships...I'm pretty much busy all the time so even when I'm having a bad day o don't end um overthinking. Literally cured my "depression"

>>10973271
You haven't cured anything. You're still just a kid. it's good you've built a solid foundation but if your wound was healed by Dostoevsky and a gym membership it wasn't much of one. I'm only telling you to stay on your guard. 18 years old is nothing

>>10973262
Probably true but thats pretty much irrelevant.

The facts are that I wanted to end my life and now realise how fucking lucky I am.
You can easily find people who have sufferd a lot more than I can imagine but that doesn't change the fact that my life wasn't easy (at least from my point of view...maybe I'm just soft af).

My dad left home when I was 8 to start his new happy family. I was left with crazy mom and 2 younger brothers. Literally had to beg neighbours for food some days. Every one knows I'm poor as fuck and even tho noone makes fun of me, it hurts like shit knowing that they know and treat me like some kind of special retard...

I don't want to ask for petty, I really don't, but still I think I should write this on a fucking internet image board website because someone may be feeling like I was or relate to my story.

I can look like a retard (we are on 4chan, everything is retard tier) but I'll be fuckung worth it if I can help someone else

>>10969634
Wtf is that spooky demon in his shadow tho?

>>10970492
>Biological teleology

>>10969775
>I realized that Kant was right about transcendental idealism
but analytic-synthetic distinction is bunk...

>>10969632
This ass is terrible.

>>10969632
While it is true that we will all be forgotten eventually, no matter how famous we become or how many friends you have meaning to a degree it is pointless, think of it the other way. Use it as a tool to forgive your mistakes and not beat yourself up about stuff, afterall it will be forgotten eventually. I can only urge you not to kill yourself as there will probably be a lot more experiences you miss out on if you do, you'll miss out on great novels, films, games or the next great discovery. Who knows, you could even miss out on new emotional experiences to.

>>10973603
>you'll miss out on great novels, films, games
Have you been living with your head in your ass these past few decades? All those things are already shit and it's just going to get worse as time goes by.

>>10969824
You'll need pretty advanced German to understand his writing.

Take about 3 years of university German and then try Buddenbrooks.

>>10973646
No, everyone sees the past as some golden era of quality when in reality the top layer has had time to form, no one remembers the schlock that came out in that time and for good reason as it was forgotten, leaving only the well crafted content afloat.
I'd argue that examples of modern day pieces that will be remembered as classics are whiplash and Blade Runner 2049 but I'm sure you'll disagree with my opinion.

>>10973695
Blade Runner 2049 is hardly reason enough to keep a heart ticking.

>>10972432
>Zizek and Schelling talk about passing through this zero-point of despair all the time.
which works?

>>10969632
Took this pad:
>/pol/
>/gif/
>/lit/
>/fit/

What’s next anons?

>>10969637
Simply fallacious and lazy

I've been searching this expanding-brain meme about overcoming nihilism, in some part it says something like "suicide is as arbitrary as continue to living".

Anyone has it?

>>10969639
I bet you read Jordan Peterson

you don't need arguments, you just need to get your act thogether and live life.

>>10976939
Jesus christ this is such a fucking meme answer.

>>10977016
It's true though

from my extensive experience living (157680 hours) I’ve concluded there is no meaning and you should kill yourself

Religion is the only non-nihilist position you can take. Without religion, nihilism follows.

>>10977024
It might be true for some, but trying to pretend like it's an outright refutation of the issue is garbage. Structure is a good way to keep your mind off it all but don't pretend like that's going to be a sufficient enough solution for everyone. For others that conformity just for the sake of having something to conform to may just make things worse.

I can understand you and I've been in your shoes my friend, why don't you try reading Bible or attend a fundamentalist church? You might laugh at religion now but be not fooled with scientism and pseudo-intellectuals opinion.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John:3:16

Don't follow the crowd, be an individual and don't be fooled into thinking that you're an individual while being in crowd. I would recommend you to read the works of Soren Kierkegaard.
Good luck my friend, I'll pray for you, there are people who love you and I hope you don't take the wrong decision.

>>10977115
the biggest non-solution there is.

>>10977120
Mind elaborating?

>>10977115
Amen.
I know a nihilist and he's just a cunt kraut desu.
God makes my eyes open wide to the things around me. I love it.

>>10969653
>i know i dont want to kill myself deep down but every night i think more and more about how pointless everything is so i think one day (soon) I will hang myself in my apartment
At least go SandyHook for the lolz

>>10970664
Tattoos are a mark of a slave, that is where they come from. Where are they now? To prove ones value and identity to a stranger through permanent mario-kart inspired art which "makes me lost in deep though".

Someone has posted the complete works of Soren Kierkegaard on 8ch Christian.
I hope you'll make good use of it!

Just visit 8ch dot net /christian/ and search for "Kierkegaard thread" in catalog

Also Knight of faith is a good alternative to ubermensch
>>10977135
Happy to hear that :), pray for your friend and try your best to get him read the Gospel.

Check out some of pic related’s lectures on YouTube.

>>10977129
I'm reading his work now! I was driven to seek reason for living after getting an office job as an engineer after college... it compelled me to ask: is this all there is? A pension, children, and death (not to belittle the challenge of raising children)? But his work spoke to my exact fears. Great material, but I want to make sure that the nihilists don't speak to a greater personal truth within me before I assume the leap of faith!

>>10977129
I can't just use dumb mental gymnastics to force myself to believe in God because the alternative sucks. That's just a non-solution. If it works for you that's fine but that traditionalist shit is never gonna have any lasting value. The future is secular, and desu I think it's preferable to have the occasional existential crisis here and there than pathetically cling to the old world.

Don't fall for people trying to convert and control you, trust yourself and your judgement above all. Use your mind, you don't know if dying and living is good or bad.

>>10977115
>>10977177
false consolation.. neet brainwipe holocaust

>>10977196
This. "Work as play" is nice advice when all seems meaningless (which maybe it is).

meaningness.com is good too.

>>10974494
/x/
/r9k/
/b/

Hope you're ready for a wild ride

>>10977212
As for the traditionalists, they're mostly right wing deluded catholics who has never read the Bible, please don't judge Christianity with those bad believers whom you meet on /pol/. Christianity is all about faith in God, tradition is man made and is subject to change,

Why would you choose to believe in the death of God just because others believe in it?
What if God really exists and you failed to believe in him? In this cause you'll have to suffer eternal punishment!
There's a probability for the existence of God, look up Pascal's wager.
The future of humanity is doomed, with the acceptence of the death of God, the strongest would create his own morality and rule over the weak, the nations would fall for totalitarianism and there you have the death of individualism.

>>10969793
Don't kill yourself. It won't do anything. Nothing will absolve you or save you or destroy you. If you kill yourself you just disseminate your pointless misery onto everyone else. Instead, choose to live. Whatever is making you upset is probably based on some belief that in itself is founded on nothing. Simply exist and do so in the way that fits your desires. Be grateful to God. Treat others at least somewhat well. And continue this. Also, don't allow yourself to be idle. Make your being one of constant motion, even if the motion is toward nothing. You'll never get a destination in life; sorry. You do have the opportunity to take one hell of a journey.

>>10977266
maybe by killing yourself you will create enough misery to cause others to kill themselves, causing said misery to compound and propagate resulting in the willful extinction of the human race, thus permanently ending suffering. therefore, it could be argued, inflicting pain is an act of mercy, and the work on an enlightened conscience

>>10977253
If god's gonna punish people for not believing in him then he can go fuck himself. That's an unreasonable expectation and if he's real then he should know that.

If he is real I highly doubt he's some prissy old testament fuck so that pascals wager shit isn't gonna work for me.

>>10977338
enlightenment is a spook. Suicide is nothing more than the work of someone who would rather not live. That's the problem with suicidal. They are in zero gravity because they forgo their ability to live; they give up the chance to chain one's will to the earth and exist exactly as they want to. They aren't weak, they are just blind.

>>10969632
There is no such thing as non-action, and no meaningless action can be taken in the world; a meaning presupposes every action.

Life is only action and reaction. Reaction is still a type of action. Therefore, life is only action.

Nihilism is not congruent with truth. It is congruent with weakness and confusion. To lift yourself out of nihilism, you simply have to live.

>>10977344
Don't let the wrath control your mind, afterall you're judging God by your own ethics, what's ethical for us might not be acceptable by God.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm:14:1

>some prissy old testament
Did you read Richard Dawkins by chance?
https://youtu.be/b6H9XirkhZY

>>10969632
>preferably before i commit suicide
Your favorite anime could get a S2 if you die.

>>10977983
>if you die.
I meant AFTER you die.

Don't do it, fagit.

>>10970492
There is no biological teleology
>>10969632
Point out some gaps in scientific understanding, but do not say it is "God". Instead, say it can lead to more nuanced metaphysics that upturns our contemporary understanding of reality. Say such changes to our metaphysical understanding can lead to a normative ethics that we can ground.

So it works two-fold:
1) The nihilist is right you cannot reconcile normativity with naturalism.
2) Point out the gaps in our naturalist or physicalist understanding of reality.
3) Say new metaphysical possibilties could lead to the possibility of establishing a normative ethics.

If you understand what I am saying, there is literally no way the nihilist will in. In fact, he will in all likelihood get pissed off. Technically, you didn't exactly win or lose either.

>>10969632
Jesus Loves You

>>10977175
Ew, Mario Kart.

>>10977175
>Tattoos are a mark of a slave
>Ancient chieftains had their entire bodies tattooed

>>10979228
>emulating barbarians mutilating themselves in honor of the god they think lives in the trees and clouds

>>10969632
>preferably before i commit suicide
This here, is an argument against nihilism. You can't lose a damn thing for being wrong. Live your life. Do worry about the subject, though, but don't be dismayed into nihilism or any other way of living that can only lead to your doom, no matter what the truth actually is.

That said, metaphysics, psychedelics, religion and escapism have all been deemed methods that work. Escapism is the worst option, though.

>>10970534
>Do you like tattoos? I've been wanting one but I'm a little too indecisive. I had thought about Yggdrasil up my side, or a white whale on the arm. My father used to ready Moby-Dick to me when I was little. He used to send me books like Tolkien, Heller, Salinger. But he's dead now.
I'm glad your father didn't live to see his child become the dreg you are.

>>10969632
Think of placebo. Is it real medicine or not? It works, right? Why does it work? By a mechanism? Perhaps, but not by one intrinsic to the substance, but to the belief.

>>10969632
it's bad mmmkay

I'll find you, Michael.

>>10979647
Nihilism is useful only for destruction. You can't maintain anything - including your own stances on things - for any conscious period of time. Nihilism is death.

>>10976763
i bet i dont.

>>10979636
He had cirrhosis of the liver. In his life he was a bisexual adulterer, a drug peddler, a fraud, a thief, and an abusive partner, among other things. To his credit he was a good father: encouraging reading, helping with homework, taking me to plays and sports games, trying to push me in positive directions. As a result I've graduated from university with distinction, have only been intimate with one person, published, and I've been holding a steady job while staving off suicide due to depression and dysphoria. Shortcomings aside, I'd say I've accomplished enough given what I've had to endure. Many people have bent and broken over much less.

>>10970691
Be my bf?

>>10969653
Exercise, eat healthy, socialize more and just bee urself

>>10969632
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmvRMVMrzA4

>>10969632
''It's not worth the bother of killing yourself, since you always kill yourself too late'' -Cioran

>>10973474
His stand.

>>10979756
Sounds your degeneracy is genetic.

>>10969632
This helped, nihilism is a philosophy. The universe consists of all philosophies. So no philosophy is 100% correct

Nihilists = deppresed faggots with no balls to kill themselves

>>10980199
What's degenerate about me? I eat well, exercise regularly, read lots, received an education, hold a job (salary, benefits, pension), invest wisely, donate to the library, and I'm a prude IRL. My father was the hypocrite. So I'd prefer to have been born a woman so I could be what you'd call a tradwife, who maybe works part-time as a librarian. Gee, sure sounds like degeneracy. Must have been considering a tattoo, which I won't get.

In any case, I'm not having children and once my mom passes I'll reconsider suicide.

>>10969653
can i fuck your mouth?

Nihilism is based on a notion of a lack of positive value in the universe. The sounding board for nihilist perspectives is the suffering brought on by unfulfillment. Even this is a form of value, considering that nihilism defines itself as the rejection of any value on the grounds of the subjectivity of such a thing. Therefore, nihilism is a fallacy, since even suffering is a value, however negative, that arises from a perceived or implied lack of positive value.

There's something to be said that nihilism is a modern affliction that coincides with the rise of industrialism and mass culture. Premodern people or indigenous people today, it could be said, experience communal life directly, while the modern experiences it through a series of filters, separators, and abstractions that serve to diminish it at each turn.

The indigenous or premodern is immunized from nihilism despite their base standard of living and more physically painful existence, because they experience communal life from within, rather than as an external object to be scrutinized.

The say stress is a modern disease, but so too anxiety and depression and the nihilism that results when these are your mental reality indefinitely. These states arise when you deviate too far from the model outlined by human sociobiology which happens to be the case with hypertrophied advanced civilization/mass society.

>>10969632
Thus Spoke Zarathustra

>>10969635
>>10969632
This, OP.

>>10969634
t h i c c

>>10969635
What book should one start with?

>>10982480
Oddly cogent.

my argument is that it's cheesy

>>10973058
agreed, and i don't even watch anime usually

>>10982480
Yeah, now that we can know the successes and failures of millions of people it can easily make one feel insignificant in the grand scheme. A major key to happiness now is being able to filter it most of it out and maintain the small-communal life humanity has been used to much longer. (Basically tl;dr of your writing.)

>>10982480
Yeah, now that we can know the successes and failures of millions of people it can easily make one feel insignificant in the grand scheme. A major key to happiness today is being able to filter most of it out and maintain the small-communal life humanity has been used to much longer. (Basically tl;dr of your writing.)

>>10985526
Disdain for the common life is the sign of the patrician.

>>10969632
Nihilism is a self-refuting ideology.

>>10970896
>tfw nobody gets the car seat headrest reference

>>10970799
This desu. I just to be quite suicidal until I saw a shrink and got on NEETbux.

No medication, just bux and a therapist visit every few weeks, but not having the play the wagecuck game has made life bearable. Not meaningful or something like that, but meaninglessness is way less urgent when you're comfy. It's only when you have to do a lot of bullshit that you need very good reasons to continue, at least in my case.

When I'm NEET I can organise my life in such a way that it is mostly neutral to agreeable.

>>10986362
>meaninglessness is way less urgent when you're comfy
.t brave new world epsilon

>>10969653
Think about this: there are at least 7 billion people who see meaning in some aspect of life and there have been for thousands of years. You sit in your home and expect a certain aspect of life to visit you but it doesn't and you deduce that everything is empty. You are arrogant and obtuse to think that from your point of view you can judge everything in your way while others will go ahead with their lives. Maybe, if you stop being so stubborn you will see some meaning that you know was possible.
Hint: try something small, something that people do and you never thought about doing. Go ask your elderly neighbors how they're doing, take acting lessons, go to the gym, tell a random girl on the street how beautiful she is. I know this sounds like a gay cliche, but it's not more so than killing yourself because of depression/nihilism.

>>10986425
yikes.

>>10986413
>.t brave new world epsilon
The irony of you arrogantly shitposting this line on 4chan. You may be the least self-aware person ITT, and that is a feat.

>>10969653
>please give me cheat codes to enter into my brain to make me not think this way. i know i dont want to kill myself deep down but every night i think more and more about how pointless everything is so i think one day (soon) I will hang myself in my apartment
this is a place where everyone is constantly going out of their way to call each other mentally ill every single day, so maybe you should consider avoiding this place for a bit i dunno ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>10973474
Spooky that you mention it, Nietzsche actually wrote a schizo piece on talking with his shadow:

http://www.lexido.com/EBOOK_TEXTS/THE_WANDERER_AND_HIS_SHADOW_.aspx?S=0

>>10986438
what does that mean? is that from the current slang of underage kids? this website is 18+

>>10986503
The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun?

>>10986517
Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth, and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes: but know thou, that for all these things God will bring thee into judgment.
Therefore remove sorrow from thy heart, and put away evil from thy flesh: for childhood and youth are vanity.

>>10986540
He say rejoice in youth, for it is good, but do not suffer over its loss. Youth, in the end, is vain and impermanent.

>>10986586
And?

>>10969653
Life will get better and you'll find ppl who love you. You just need to work at it.

>>10986714
And go about your day.

>>10969632
There are none. Life is pointless and there's no afterlife. Everyone and everything around us including this planet is closer to death with each passing as the sun cools and your grow older and weaker. Make sure you don't accidentally survive a vegetable when you blow your brains out, now that's not fun at all

Check out Japanese people posting cats on twitter

>>10987525
That just reminds me of all the recent articles about how the majority of Japs die alone and how there's an industry for cleaning after the lonely dead

>>10987591
a good film

>>10987591
It was the cats

Save up to invest in cosmetic surgery to look however beautiful you want to be.

>>10970896
MYYYYYYY BOYY

>Killing yourself before Eva 4.0 comes out

What a waste

>>10987728
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_CKQq7Y1H8

>>10969632
Read this.

>>10970635
haHAA

>>10969782

>>10969653
Hello, I went through exactly the same thing as you and wanted to kill myself for awhile. The thing that saved me was unironically existentialist thought, which generally answers the problems that nihilism (nothing matters) by reminding you are capable of suffusing value into your life. Learn to take advantage of your illogical side, and embrace creating your own meaning and values in your life, that may not be logical. Read Satre and Camus.

>>10988347

Reading the Stranger gave me an existential crisis. I have still not forgiven Camus for this.

>people think the jew god can cure you from nihilism
it's yahweh and its stupid doctrine that brought nihilism
rationality=nihilism
judaism is at its very core very rational

You don't deserve to die, scum. An early death is only fitting for the hero, for all else, it is pathetic

Life doesn't have to ask logic for its right to exist. Just live your life the best you can. Do what you're supposed to do and don't be a jerk. Use good reason and common sense. I've lingered on that existential stuff for a decade of my life, and it didn't do anything for me. Stop wasting your time and go back to the real world.

>>10982480
> this happens when we deviate too far from sociobiology

Sounds about right. How do we go about avoiding this though? What would the lifestyle look like?

Bump

Nihilism is the philosophy of the cowards. Nihilism takes away any responsibility from the person; social. cultural, personal, everything is taken away, because nihilism basically says that nothing matters. So, the person feels free to drown in their own egos.

Bump.

>>10987591
Drawn ones too
https://twitter.com/motions_cat

300th post

>>10990097
>takes away any responsibility from the person
implying that all these 'responsiblities' and values are not just man made delusions and made up so that the rat race continues until entropy turns everything to shit anyway

>>10973474
the spectre of communism

>>10969653
>about how pointless everything is
you're not a nihilist, you absolute faggot
you're an edgy teenager and probably just temporarily experiencing a mild depression
unfuck yourself or hurry up and kill yourself already

>>10969803
>>10969804
based
absolutely no counter-arguments

>>10970377
legitimately cured my depression
i recommend it; just don't fall for the memes and focus on his psychology/mythology lectures

>>10988347
>Read Satre
nah, thanks
i like having a high and stable IQ

Find some meaning through the physical world, with the death of God all that is left is power, women, and other nice things.

>>10973548
better than nothing, i guess

>>10973474
that's dark shadow, prob tokoyami wasn't the first

>>10991713

>author of great plays and novels, on top of philosophical texts
>is awarded nobel, but turns it down in based move
>some fuck on a persian basket weaving forum: he's a dummy rawr XD

stay gold /lit/

>>10991926
>is a marxist
>theories discredited by highly-respected colleagues, Heidegger among them
>some fuck on an iranian hamper crafting internet community: he's a genius rawr XD
hm.

So
>Universe is chaotic and meaningless, mostly.
But
>Evolution give the human's mind the ability to see meaning everywhere, even in absurd things.
Then, the Red Pill
>"I can see meaning in a lot of things EVEN when I know there's no meaning".

I'm like OP, pondering if I should take my life everyday.
But
>I want to watch the new Avengers unironically.
>I want to fuck my ex's sister and my coworker.
>I want to see how this startup I'm founding is going to work.
>I want to see where this meditation thing is going to take me.
I want to do and see many things, even if I know nothing has value at the end.

Is this hedonism lads? It's an honest way to live?

>mfw curiosity delayed my death.

>>10991958
>Is this hedonism lads?
no

>>10991958
>It's an honest way to live?
yes
you are living to squeeze as much meaning and enjoyment out of the world as you can; that's the most honest way to spend your limited time on this earth

>>10972414
>it has a lot of references that means it's good

No, no it does not. NGA had a few interesting things to say about the self but that's it. None of the references end up cohering into anything meaningful to say. It's not an insightful use of references and it becomes inefficient. If you like psychosis and schizophrenia then you might like it. You'll just see a bunch of patterns and connections that have nothing interesting to say about anything. If you want something that throws a billion references at you without actually throwing them at you and says something insightful consider Knight of Cups. by Malick or Andrei Rublev by Tarkovsky
or just classical music.

>>10969632
if you kill yourself you won't be around to laugh at life's absurdities