/lit/ - Literature

>>10945030
Why? The true question is “not is his jealousy well-grounded?”, but “why does he need jealousy to maintain his self-identity?”. Along the same lines, one could say that even if most of the Nazi claims about the Jews were true – they exploit Germans; they seduce German girls – which they were not, of course, their anti-Semitism would still be (and was) pathological, since it represses the true reason why the Nazis needed anti-Semitism in order to sustain their ideological position.

sniff

>>10945030
Did he seriously write this? wtf I hate lacan now. or should I say lacuck?

>>10945055
What's wrong with it? Jealousy is a pathology. It doesn't mean that he should accept his partner cheating. Is this what happens to your brain when you're on 'redpills'?

>>10945030
You can believe something true without having any good reason to believe it. If that's the case, your belief is irrational, even if you turn out to be right.

>>10945030
Isn't that a Zizek quote?
Anyways , was gonna post this but the thread updated >>10945084

He was telling the collective tweens of 4chan to shut the fuck up--alas, they were too plebbish to understand.

>>10945030

Leave it to the French to not only justify actual cuckoldry but to claim that it is not abject enough.

>>10945030
it's probably your fault that she fucks around

>>10945074
How is it a pathology, it's just the normal emotion to have about your spouse cheating

Self-serving Bull justifications used to gaslight cuckolds. Lacan cucked his friend and is making up excuses.l to use:
>The following year, Lacan fathered a child, Judith (who kept the name Bataille), with Sylvia Bataille (née Maklès), the estranged wife of his friend Georges Bataille.

>>10945134
>estranged
not cucking

>>10945055
*Labull

>>10945138
>estranged because she cucks you

Reminder to start with the Greeks. There is nothing worse than being a cuck. From Aristophanes The Frogs.

Zizek used this to argue that even if Jewish people are indeed greedy and unscrupulous and slimy, being an anti-Semite is still pathological.

I debated this argument with two people for six hours straight. A transcript of this conversation has been adapted into a movie and will be released in 2020.

>>10945161
Euripides BTFO

>>10945134
The complete opposite actually. Lacan's saying jealousy is pathological because it's still an expression of need, whether or not she's cheating on you. You can cut a bitch off without feeling jealous.

Fuck you faggots are obsessed with cucking.

>Yes, yes I fucked you wife and got her pregnant, however here's why my psychology degree says it's you that's in the wrong
What did Lacan mean by this?

Ah, yes, the normal human reaction of anger at being betrayed is "pathological".

>>10945055

This is the opposite of cuckdom. Jealousy is pathological if you know the wife is cheating because at that point, she should be absolutely and immediately nothing to you.

Lacan was redpilled. Get with the lobsterprogram bucko.

>>10945228
>if you know the wife is cheating because at that point, she should be absolutely and immediately nothing to you.
sounds like the sort of autism an economist would come up with

>>10945226

Ah, yes, writing out "ah" in a post on a forum turns you into a faggot, ah, yes, ah, yes it does, ah.

>>10945234

Economics is the only true science, therefore the only truth, therefore the only thing that matters. Truth is utility. Autism is efficiency.

>>10945228

Emotional response=\= pathological.

>>10945238
Ah, yes, of course a raving autist would get angry at an innocuous expression.

>>10945254

Ah yes, ah, I am not angry, ah'm amused.

>>10945251

Feelings are for cucks. Get redpilled.

If that frog pseud would even try to cuck me I would knock his teeth out, pathological or not.

>>10945228
The correct response to getting cucked is to assemble an army, storm your rival's city and slaughter everyone inside its walls, tbqh.

>>10945280

Indeed. This is what I learned from reading Sun Tzu, which is a redpilled book for real men. Also, you should never engage an enemy with more cavalry than you on an open field. Timeless wisdom from the sages of the east. Too bad they're too soyified now!

>a Prince should inspire fear in such a fashion that if he does not win love he may escape hate. For a man may very well be feared and yet not hated, so long as he does not meddle with the property or with the women of his citizens and subjects.
If you cuck a man they will attack and rebel against you no matter what your power.

>>10945190
>ouch, that hurts!
>aha, you are a sick man
Jealousy is basically a response seated in the normal human need to evaluate where they stand with the people around them and defend certain positions. Declaring it a pathology and seeking to eliminate it entirely may be consistent with the rest of Lacan’s thought but you have to think about what the consequences of people actually not ever caring how they’re perceived by anyone would be before making such a value judgement.

>>10945271

>Feelings are for cucks. Get redpilled.

just lol at being this much of an edgy faggot pretending to be a some sort of rational stoic being. Passion and emotion is what makes life great. The heights and the lows. Gtfo with your J.S.Mill pseud bullshit.

>>10945289
You're such a complete autist trying to attack /pol/ targets where they don't exist, you couldn't recognize a transparent reference to the Iliad.

>>10945303

>Passion and emotion is what makes life great.

Is that why you spend your dwindling youth on 4chan?

>>10945319

Greeks were fags, totally soy. I don't care about those boy-lovers. Spartans were the real shit. Any single Spartan hoplite could kick the ass of Socrates, Plato, Sophocles (so-fuck-less, lmao) and Homer ( Homo, lmao) 1 vs 4.

itt

twinks & cucks trying to justify their pathological jealously

>ITT: cuck cuck cuck loool cuck?? cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck
I hate every single one of you braindead zombies

>>10945030
the diseased mind, even when caused by a righteous injustice, like for instance the vengeance seeking father trying to exact retribution for a son lost to another clan, is still a diseased mind. There is a wrong being done, but the nature of the agitation of the soul is still an agitation that could be characterized as pathological, diseased, unwell and improper. Jealousy is not the correct response to betrayal by a lover, a withdrawal of care and compassion is the correct response. I don't care what he meant, I'm just saying what I see. This faggot can get all his works burned for all I care

>>10945711
dork

>>10945030
Hearing about what this dude did towards the end of his career and how he handled his patients really made it hard for me to take him seriously. He was a lazy tuck who just wanted to get laid.

>>10945190
this

>>10947085
expand on this

https://youtube.com/watch?v=6aqGYYBwKbQ

>>10945030
it is a word salad, do not overthink it. Jealousy's been around since lobsters

>>10947738
Chomsky called him “an amusing and perfectly self-conscious charlatan”

Describing jealousy as pathological makes sense within the confines of a nearly strictly individualist worldview, in an atomised society. Hence it's association with weakness and deviance in contemporary social culture, whereas in antiquity its an heroic emotion. If codependence and relation bonds are valued less than individual autonomy and 'resilience', then yes, jealousy can be described as 'pathological'. But we must recognise that pathology is an extremely relative, immaterial concept, and not let ourselves become slaves to it. Zizek is really just reframing Nietzsche's theory of ressentiment but with a more psychoanalytic emphasis.

>>10947738
Read up on his doctoral thesis. He stole writing from a patient he was obsessed with and used it for his work without her permission.

>>10947738
He was a notorious plagiarist

>>10947738
As he got older and greedier he started shaving minutes off of the sessions he would have with patients, hour long sessions became 3-5 minutes while he would charge exorbitant prices because of his fame, he would then Mack in as many people as possible to maximize profit.

>>10947738
When Kacan found out Guattari was working on Anti-Oedipus, which is often critical of Lacsnian theory, he cut him off (Guattari was one of his most famous disciples) and tried to spread rumors among the intellectual elite to ruin his career.

>>10945074
Jealousy has evolutionary roots. Jealousy plays a vital role in male mate guarding to ensure a better chance that the offspring is his own.

>>10945030
>What did he mean by this?
He meant that he's a proud cuckold.

>>10945711
But monsieur, the feeling is mutual!

>>10945030
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>>10945127
normality is bad and uncool if you are a french

>>10945134
wasn't Bataille literally a degenerate? getting cucked would be like a regular Monday for a guy like that

>>10945030
probably that getting furious like a blood-thirsty animal when you discover your woman is cheating is not the ideal course in civilized society. I don't disagree with him, to be honest, but I think some level of jealousy is healthy.

There's just a fine line between a sensible amount of jealousy and actively pushing your partner into another's hands. There's also an important distinction between receding into non-action like an adult who will not get arrested for hospitalizing or burning down the house of the fucker who cucked you. It's tragic to be back-stabbed like this but sadly the most noble thing to do is to recede. Shit's hard, though.

>>10945711
>le contrarian man

>>10947085
>He was a lazy tuck who just wanted to get laid.

Literally /our guy/

Everyone here missing the important consequence of this which is that "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you"

>>10948158
t. stalin

>>10948158
it's more or less the same thing but structured the opposite way. Something like: just because they are out to get you doesn't mean your paranoia is not pathological

but in a world where people are out to get you, how is paranoia pathological at all? what's the "healthy" state? getting eaten and raped? is paranoia bad because it makes you feel bad, so you should still act like a paranoid, just in detached way because caring about things is unhealthy and uncool? not sure what's the consequence of this assertion and which would be a way to act that avoided it

also communists like Zizek always weasel out of having to live up to their own standards and always have cheap excuses for themselves, "oh, it's different when we do it with the capitalists and bourgeois, because capitalism is material and structural, so we are justified in being mad about it, even though the structure is the same as the jealous husband", or "it's ok to blame europeans for colonialism, in this case it's not pathological anymore, even if it looks the same, because of reasons"

>>10945030
>The reasons for which the Government said the ban should remain were related to the preservation of peace within French families. According to some online articles, Germany, has also banned (or plans to ban) paternity testing for similar reasons. French psychologists suggest that fatherhood is determined by society not by biology.
>If those samples were found in the post by officials on their way to foreign laboratories, the French men who sent them could theoretically face a year in prison and a 15,000 Euro fine.
The French really are fucking something.

>>10945030
That is what Zizek says.

>>10948281
>a lacanian repeats Lacan
What a coincidence!

>>10948244
Are Lacan and Derrida and Foucault and that whole cult of frauds actually responsible for destroying western civilization? I can't tell if I'm impressed or horrified.

>>10948446
Yeah they are. Join us at Jordan Peterson on youtube.

>>10948448
>the way to combat one anti-intellectual cult is with another cult
no thank you

This is only tangentially related, but I've always wondered, isn't the one doing the cucking also a cuck in a sense? He's getting some dudes sloppy seconds, he's getting something that's defiled.
Sometimes I hear normies talkig about situations where somebodies best friend ends cucking and marrying their girlfriend, but isn't the joke on the 'best friend' in that case? You get to jizz on some woman's face, and the one doing the cucking resigns himself to treading on territory you marked with your own semen. How is he the winner in that situation?

>>10948446
>Are Lacan and Derrida and Foucault and that whole cult of frauds actually responsible for destroying western civilization?
No, they're just the maggots gorging on an already dead corpse.

>>10948455
>t. postmodenist resentful neomarxist who covers his pseudointellectualism with jargon so that layman can't understand him
it's ok cuck, us brothers of the redpill are going to save wesciv while you masturbate to soy porn and drink estrogen filled water

>>10948464
>>10948446
>people are very quick to blame 20th century french intellectual when in reality their beloved Nietzsche began and enabled all of this shit

>>10948474
t. cuck of soy
neetche was redpilled just like us but you liberals have coopted him so you can destroy God and Meaning

>>10948481
>>10948465
>this level of ressentiment

>>10948474
It started with the Protestant Reformation, everything else after is just an elaborate footnote to that slo-mo train wreck of Western Civilization.

>>10948487
t. postsoydernist of feminism
>>10948495
this. the Church did nothing wrong because the Church can do no wrong. it written in the Bible sweetie

>>10945297
the plot of the illiad.

>>10948461
your right Jamal. Can we now get back to the details of the marriage arrangement concerning me and ur 13 year old virginal daughter

>>10945196
They were separated for four years. Why didn't Bataille just divorce his wife instead of waiting for 12 years?

>>10948495

>>10948669
bureaucratic formalities are for plebs

>>10945030
It doesn't actually follow from this that you should be okay with being cucked. It just follows that you should recongnize that your anxiety about your wife sleeping around is instead an anxiety about your wife having a life apart from you, and that thus your knowledge of her is partial and your relationship has an incompleteness built into it.

In a way, this seves as an explanation of why cucks exist. They maintain the fantasy that their relation to wifey is complete and closed off and that they have perfect knowledge of the other person, whilst being able to master their anxiety of being cucked by being fully knowledgable of its occurence. Lacan would probably (if he is acting consistently, which isn't guaranteed) say that the cuck of this scenario is setting himself up for further trauma, since this theatre of cuckoldry can be ruptured and transform into actual cuckoldry, should your wife in fact prefer the deep dicking she gets from your friend Stephen and decide to leave you for him.

The demand that our partner remain faithful is not unreasonable, but the demand that we know for certain that our partner remain faithful is not just unreasonable but existentially impossible. And this is what Lacan is highlighting here.

Hot take: it's perfectly possible to excavate a reactionary, essentially Catholic morality from Lacan's work, even if the man's behaviour was inconsistent with this. But by all means, if you need to believe in le boogey-homme francais, you're welcome to that fantasy as well.

>>10945161
Jesus, nigga got told.

>>10945711
cuck

It means your own mind created the scenario