/lit/ - Literature

>>10945318
I can follow the story well enough, but names are but disfigurable faces ina mess of crowd.
Actions and emotions convey well enough, setting and time are easy to. But I don't see the relations between tho whos.

>>10945374
Get to the part where he shits on the grass already.

>>10945318
hmm does the three minutes include the time where you time yourself and are aware you are timing yourself because you have some weird complex where you think reading speed matters and therefore don't enjoy anything you're actually reading? What, ya think ya gonna hoover up this nonsense and be able to sort it out instantaneously like the brain bug from starship troopers? this book demands a ton from you, not something to flip through while waiting in the reception room. I shouldn't have to tell someone who thinks they are smart this, but you should read because you want to, not out of some weird obligation

>>10945318
No, people who treat it as a serious work are retarded. Its the intimate, esoteric ravings of a fragile schizophrenic mind. Reading it is almost like a form of voyeurism for pseudointellectuals. There is no reason anyone ought to be able to make sense of the book. Yes, its possible, but its also possible to make sense of the crayoned hieroglyphs in a rubber room at your average psych ward. That also isn't an intellectual pursuit.

>>10945609
>my aura of intellect has the fragility mica

>>10945318
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HgCjtd2iPU

>>10945972
This is actually good.

>>10945972
Oh, I'm not an intellectual. Never said I was one. In fact I'm an idiot and this is what makes me an authority on stupidity in all its presentations.

>>10945318
if you only take 3 mins per page you're probably skimming half of the good stuff
are you using http://www.fweet.org/ and/or http://www.finwake.com/1024chapter1/1024finn1.htm ?

>>10947718

>he is just learning this rhetorical technique

>>10947749
No Im legitimately reading each word, Im not trying to read for speed, Im reading it with no guidance either.

>>10945318
>Should I read his other work first?
Well, duh.

>>10945609
>pseud rage
It's OK, you can admit it: you're too dumb for Finnegans Wake. There's no shame in it. After all, the book has defeated considerably brighter readers than you.

>>10948007
guidance is highly advised, the book has an ungodly amount of references, wordplay, symbols and easter eggs that no sane man can find on his own, no matter how intelligent

>>10945318
>Should I read his other work first?
Are you fucking serious right now?

>>10948659
Yes, indeed I am. What would I have to gain? I did plan to read Ulysses

>>10948733
you should read them all anyway for their own sake

>>10948733
>What would I have to gain?
You couldn't be more embarrassing if you pissed yourself.

>>10948752
Yes and I shall, but how would it influence how I read finnigan?
Im being sincere.

is it possible to read it when english isn't your first language?
i know it's more than just english, but it seems to be principally grounded in it, from a linguistic standpoint.
Do you think it could even be enjoyable?

>>10948757
Finnegans Wake is basically a sequel to Ulysses, which itself is a sequel to Dubliners and Portrait of the Artist.

If you're going to read Joyce, for God's sake, read the books in order. You're setting yourself up for failure otherwise.

>>10948757
Each of Joyce's works is an aptitude test for the next. If you haven't mastered Ulysses you're wasting your fucking time on the Wake.

>>10948757
>dude i haven't even beat the main game
>let's go straight for the super secret extra hard boss lmao xD

>>10948770
I'm not sure it'd be enjoyable for a native speaker, either

>>10948973
If you put in the effort, you'll be amply rewarded. Most people don't want to put in the effort, though.

>>10948887
>>10948940
See, I honestly did not know this. Thanks

>>10947718
Wow, you're so brilliant

>>10949114
Joyce is probably one of the only few authors really worth reading chronologically, the increase in compelxity from book to book is stark and they're all masterpieces.

>>10949140
>compelxity
complexity* and also depth

>>10949140
Okay thank you.

>>10948254
Yes, I don't know about you but I'm also too dumb to make sense of The Mentaculus or Kaczynski's ciphers. Those things are not media to be consumed either.

Considering most words are completely new to the average reader, three minutes is not a slow pace for this book. You might want to slow down even, to appreciate its richness. Reading it out loud also helps. Listen to the voice recording on YouTube of Joyce reading the end of the Anna Livia chapter. That should give you an idea of how full of flavor the text is. Reading it out loud after a few drinks is tremendously fun. Good luck and keep trying!

>>10949708
Also, Joyces books get deeper with each read, and proceeding with an idea of rereading whichever book you’re on one day is helpful. It’s impossible to crack it all in one read, so don’t be a fag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nGZh39OP58
Is this real? What a joke.

>>10949773
Yes it’s real