/lit/ - Literature

>themes of sexuality, gender, race, and species are explored

miss me with that gay shit

>>10897816

All you had to say was "no, and yes"

>>10897805
>too pretentious for sci-fi
There's always an active sf general, so no to your second question.

>>10898064

Oh I didn't know

>third gender niggerbabble
>>>/reddit/

>>10898150
>>>/pol/

>>10897805
>genreshit
>written by a Negro
hrm, wonder what it's about. I bet it features a compelling story that has nothing to do with negroid resentment and racial envy

>>10898064
but also
>Genre Fiction REEEEEEE

>>10898217

You don't belong here, buddy.

>>10898197
>>>/lgbt/

>>10898298
Racism existed before pol, especially on the internet, bud

>>10897805
Funniest saga in Lovecraft's life was when he made Octavia call him massuh

>>10898617
but it wasn't annoying until you faggots

>>10898298
lit has always been a right wing christian board. you dont belong here.

>>10898637
What are you talking about? This board has a history of leftism.

>>10898649
I've been here since Ayn Rand and Moleskine threads, kid. This was the board that originated the Right Wing Death Squad meme.

>>10898633
>you faggots
Oh sweetie

>>10898633

This

>>10898217

Not too much actually, but they're half-baked novels.

>>10898982

>half-baked

Care to actually back that ridiculous claim up?

>>10898988

Oh, whoops. I thought we were talking about the Seed to Harvest ones. I never read Xenogensis and this was all like a decade ago.

>>10897805
I like it, it's not as great as peole make it out to be, but it's a very original concept that develops in unexpected ways. Imo Butler's ideas really shine the most in her short stories. Speech Sounds still haunts me to this day and I read it ages ago.

>>10898637
Racism is anathema to Christianity, tho. Galatians 3:28

>>10898991

No worries.

>>10899050

I read that one time, it's like everyone's mute, except then at the end they can all talk or something, Right? And everyone's trying to rape each other on public buses

>>10899083
Some people are left unable to comprehend speech or talk, others lose the ability to read, some lose both. Also it seems intelligence has dropped off like 10 points for most people due to aftereffects of the plague and the brain damage that causes their impairments.

>>10897805
Hell yeah! Love this trilogy. Don't think I've ever seen it mentioned on /lit/ before. Which book is your favorite, OP? What other Butler do you reccomend? I have only read this series and the short story "Bloodchild".

>>10897816
>>10898150
>>10898217
Back to /pol/ guys. As a straight white male who reads almost exclusively from the modernist canon and who's favorite novel is Moby-Dick and who doesn't enjoy overtly political literature I liked Butler. Have any of you actually read her?

>>10897805
not too pretentious for sci fi, but god damn Octavia Butler made me feel ashamed not only for being human, but for being male. i am trying to remember a single positive male character in any of those books, but i can't. they were all painted as violent rapists.

>>10897805
looks like some Weezy Wuzzy shit

>>10898661
that's not the case at all ad generally people on this board consider Ayn Rand a himey brainlet

>>10899522
>getting guilted by poor narrative development

>>10899265

Shit yeah I need to re-read this, thanks for mentioning it

>>10899522

Gabe was a good guy. But yeah I do feel extremely prejudiced against when I read it. Still a good trilogy. Maybe even good because of that. It can be hard to make readers reeeeeeeee and still be compelled to read more

>>10899360

I think Adulthood Rites was probably my favorite. I love akin as a baby.

This trilogy are the only novel-length stories of hers that I've read. I've also read speech sounds, and that one where the oankali are actually slavers n shit. Pretty sure it came out way before xenogenesis

>>10899360
>Back to /pol/ guys. As a straight white male who reads almost exclusively from the modernist canon and who's favorite novel is Moby-Dick and who doesn't enjoy overtly political literature I liked Butler. Have any of you actually read her?
I read the Xenogenesis books and imagined her masturbating the entire time; they were that bad.

>>10900535

You are a poor reader, what are you doing on /lit/?

>>10900559
>didn't like a book about three gender alien orgies and eebul men
>poor reader
>doesn't belong on /lit/

>>10900567

Your green text doesn't mean anything. Stop being dumb.

>>10900827
>stop being dumb
>insults others for not liking genderqueer poc scifi porn

>>10897805
has anyone ever read beanogenesis?

>>10900535
>>10900567
>>10900846
I am the poster you replied to. I think anon probably said you are a poor reader because if your inability to separate the author from the text. Your "critique" has nothing to do with the novels. It seems like you had a negative perception of the author prior to reading the text (presumably because of her race and gender) and read the books in a very disengaged way that reinforced that negative perception. Obviously you do not consider yourself a poor reader, so try saying something intelligent about the three novels you supposedly read.

>>10900335
Adulthood Rites was my favorite as well!

>>10898637
>christian
Protestant or Catholic?

>>10901717

Correct. You get me, anon.

If you really read the books, and rather than getting a feeling of the extreme inner conflict butler had with creating the oankali, but you actually think the series was self-serving for her to the point of masturbation, I confess that I am inclined to believe you don't read that well

But you're probably just a /pol/shit who decided to take a breath of fresh air and visit an intellectually stimulating board.

Well we've enjoyed your visit anon, now pack up your turds and go back home bud

>>10901717

Also, I feel like AR has the most compelling plot of the three. It's the only book where I can about the events that are happening as much as reading about oankali biology

>>10901717
Actually I had no clue the author was either black or a woman when I read the books. It simply becomes that apparent as you read this smut. Enjoy your smut. Twilight has more value than this schlock.

>>10902181

>I can say anything on the internet and there's no way they can know I'm full of shit

>>10902181
>Octavia
>you thought the book was written by a man despite that blatantly feminine name
Sure buddy

>>10902198
>>10902224
How are there two people who get this assmad when their taste in lesbian alien cock fiction is questioned?

>>10902248
I've never even read the books, I was just pointing out how amazing it is that you read an entire book without looking at the authors name.

>>10897805
>>10899360
I haven't read Xenogensis yet but I probably will since I really enjoyed her Earthseed books! Its a real tragedy that she passed before completing the planned third installment to finish the trilogy.

I also read Kindred a few years ago (time traveling black woman is transported back to meet her enslaved ancestors- and also finds that the slave owner's blood is also in her lineage) and found it anything but a one dimensional and resentment laden treatment of race/rape issues; characters' circumstances were thoroughly accounted for, moral conundrums were confronted without any overt glossing etc.

>>10902299
Fair enough. I did look at the author's name but it just didn't register to me that it was a woman's name. I guess the -a suffix should have clued me in. Never again.

>>10902299
>I've never even read the books

Say it isn't so, pal

>>10902299

Oh wait I didn't realize who I was replying to, sorry for the attitude

>>10902303

Kindred sounds super interesting, definitely going to look it up. Thanks

>>10900328
the Oankali are... what would you call them? an entire Mary Sue civilisation?

>>10902181
>>10902248
Lmao dude nobody is "assblasted" you are just clearly lying. Who the fuck even finds out about Octavia Butler without knowing she is a black woman literally all of her books have black women on the cover....

>>10902303
> found it anything but a one dimensional and resentment laden treatment of race/rape issues; characters' circumstances were thoroughly accounted for, moral conundrums were confronted without any overt glossing etc.
I felt the same way about Xenogenesis. Very nuanced. Not reductive as some folks in this thread would have you think (really just one guy desu).

>>10904156
>Who the fuck even finds out about Octavia Butler without knowing she is a black woman literally all of her books have black women on the cover....
I use an e-reader and do no research on books I read since I can read a book a fucking day.
Stay pleb, kid.