/lit/ - Literature

>>10897682
get your mom out of the shot

>normie

>>10897682
Didn’t realise MK was so big

>>10897682
get more of your mom in the shot

lol this nigga think he's edgy because he bought Mein Kampf.

>yfw the english translation is absolute shit.

vanitas vanitatum omnia vanitas
vanitas vanitatum omnia vanitas
vanitas vanitatum omnia vanitas
vanitas vanitatum omnia vanitas
vanitas vanitatum omnia vanitas
vanitas vanitatum omnia vanitas
vanitas vanitatum omnia vanitas

>>10897682
spengler + snapback is so fitting

>>10897717
>the english translation is absolute shit.
yea the poetic beauty is really lost...

pls no bully

>>10897768

What is the publisher of those black and silver leather-looking bound books?

>>10897682
retarded /pol/yp
>>10897768
petersonfag but somewhat respectable

>>10897789
Heron Books, the series is called "Books That Have Changed Men's Thinking". I picked up a bunch from a second hand bookshop for cheap and I plan to get some more.

>>10897790
Half-right, I got Gulag Archipelago before I'd heard of JBP. Got the Dostoyevsky ones on his recommendation though.

One of many

>>10897768
fuckin' nerd

>>10897888
Hey thomas

My current stack.

>>10897682
>the will to power
everytiem

>>10900000
checked

>>10897768
>petersoncore
lame
>Brothers Grimm
highly based

>>10899998
Bruh I just read the prince and am half way through the strange death of Europe

>>10900000
What a wasted get

R8 me

>>10900135
meme
>>10897888
meme
>>10897768
throw away taleb
>>10897682
absolute meme

>>10897768
We have a somewhat similar taste. Are you also working in the "data science" space?

Read "The Road to Wigan Pier" after the homage.

>>10900187
Would you say I should read the homage before Wigan Pier? I've just ordered the latter but never got started on Homage, not too familiar with Orwell.

>>10897682
>Hitler
>Spengler
>Evola
These are great.

>Nietzsche
>Aurelius
Get some healthy advice instead.

>>10900201
Uhm, no, depends on your interest I guess.

In Wigan he talks a bit more about poverty and
socialism, in the homage about hypocrisy of the commie left / the press and well, if you don't know yet, about war and how weird it is. Since I am interested in Spain, I read the homage first. Wigan is slightly more interesting though.

hide and sage all stack threads

>>10900219
Should read both regardless, I do like his views on socialism. Thanks anon.

>>10897682
need more pics of mom

>>10897682
>slovenly slut in leggings
>trucker hat
>xbox
>wall to wall carpet
>electric stove
>obviously american cardboard mcmansion

that's the decline of the west alright, maybe add some starbucks, a netflix account and some weed

>>10900321
L Ron Hubbard lol

>>10897682
>a scope atop the stack
truly american

>>10900210
Actual only good one in the thread.

>>10900332
>L Ron Hubbard lol
If you know your enemy and you know yourself then there will not be danger in a thousand battles.

>>10900187
Yeah doing MSc in statistics, plan to get into data science / machine learning after I graduate so I can make $$$ and buy lots of books. Hopefully the bubble doesn't pop soon. What kind of work do you do?

>>10897717
the book is absolute shit lad

>>10897682
The drunken mom in the background is just icing on the cake of this failure of a stack

>>10900210
>Ansichten eines Clowns
I've been meaning to read that. Looked promising by the first few pages.

>>10900730
Yeah, I was just reading it before I looked up on the screen. It's a pretty interesting character study that also happens to be a very captivating read.

before anyone asks yes i was born yesterday and just started reading books

>>10900224
>I do like his views on socialism.
So you are a socialist?

>>10900758
Not at all a bad start, though.

>>10900763
thank you anon im trying

>>10897682
Why are American houses so ugly?

>>10900758
Good choices. Catch-22 is always my go-to rec for new readers who want something good.

>>10900783
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXyHRnDNH64

Really excited about all of these.

>>10900758
Heart if darkness is so good. Conrad wasnt born english and didnt write until later in life so its even more impressive.

>>10900783
They reflect the ugliness of their owner's souls

>>10900783
Real art is not compatible with capitalism. As a result all American houses are hideous, identical, and poorly built with cheap materials. My grandfather was a carpenter and built the house I live in. A normal American house is not likely to last more than a generation. If you ever happen to drive through an American neighborhood, you will be quite saddened. It's the definition of Orwellian.

>>10900758
Heart of Darkness is still my favorite piece of fiction.

>>10900813
>>10900796
I first read it over 10 years ago. I didn't like it very much. I remember finding it meandering. Should I give it a second go?

I was expecting to love it, as I really like Apocalypse Now, but it didn't click.

>>10897888
very indo-european

>>10900135
>P&V

>>10897682
the girl exiting symbolizes your romantic prospects after internalizing Evola

>>10900818
It could have just been an age thing, but if you read it when you were 20 I'm guessing you still won't like it. It's not action packed or anything, it's just really pretty. The entire book is styled like the actual journey the protagonist takes: dense and, like you pointed out, meandering, and even seemingly pointless. His writing is almost poetic at times, and the rhythms in your head as you read reflect what he is describing. And, beyond all this stylistic intricacy, is a debate that the novel doesn't even really answer about what is different between colonizers and colonized.

But if you're not interested in that debate, or if you're not in it for the prose, then you won't enjoy it.

>>10897929

I feel like that's a compliment on this board.

>>10897714
for you

>>10897888
>abridged

>>10900812
>If you ever happen to drive through an American neighborhood, you will be quite saddened. It's the definition of Orwellian.

that's not what "orwellian" means you little shit

>>10899998

>Atlas Shrugged

Don't bother.

TL;DR: WHAAA WHAAA ME SPECIAL AND MAKE THINGS CUZ ME INDUSTRIOUS. NO ONE CAN REGULATE ME BECAUSE OF MY FEELINGS WHAAAA. ALL INDUSTRIOUS PEOPLE ARE GOOD AND MEAN OLD REGULATORS ARE JUST TRYING TO TAKE AWAY MY FREEDOMS.

Pretty much all there is to that book, if you are looking for stimulating subtle insight look elsewhere. The book's agenda is heavy handed while being disingenuous about the necessity for regulation.

tl;dr of tl;dr: Ayn Rand is a hack.

>>10900948
atlas shrugged is the least of the problems with that stack ... only one worth reading are the Prince and the Bell Curve (and then not for the reasons he probably bought it)

>trs
mike enoch is an obese retard

>>10900922
triggered american detected

>>10897682
>>10897888
>>10899998
Cringed. Seriously, go back to /pol/ or whatever other shithole you edgy high schoolers crawled out of. This board is for literature.

>>10900966
no seriously, you're using the word wrong. "orwellian" means a despotic surveillance regime where dissident thoughts are punished. it has nothing to do with shallow lowest-bidder materialism, which is what you were critiquing about in your post.

>>10900996
I used it to refer to the copy-pasted dark colored atmosphere described in 1984

>>10900812

The United states is equal parts Orwell and Huxley. We are one of if not the most self medicated countries in the world but we are also the most policed.

>>10900812
>Orwellian
I have yet to see someone use this word online while not saying something utterly retarded.

>>10901001
>The United states is equal parts Orwell and Huxley
Here he is.
The american armchair political philosopher.
>contemporary society is a mix between BNW and 1984 guise am I being profound yet why isn't nobody calling me smart yet

>>10900896
It's not, considering how much you see "nerd culture" derided.

>>10901007
it's used pretty frequently for 'government or academia redefining words for rhetorical mind-control purposes' which is a valid use

>>10901011

Does tearing people down online give you any fulfillment?

1) If it does then you're life is truly pathetic.
2) If it doesn't then you're energy is wasted due to your criticisms being shallow and unproductive.

In short. Stop being such a faggot. I stand by my original post because I feel there is truth in what I said.

Here are the books that i am going to read this week.

>>10900862
I was 21 when I read it for the first time. I'm all for good prose, and I understand your points, I just remember not finding it all that captivating.

I was also reading a lot of Faulkner at the time, as well as McCarthy's border trilogy, so maybe it was just too different for me to like it all that much. I would say that I appreciated it more than I enjoyed it. Currently reading The Rape of Nanking, and the ugliness in that book reminded me of the end of Apocalypse Now, so I was considering giving Heart of Darkness another shot.

>>10901014

>Nerd Culture is derided

Maybe 20 years ago, what decade are you living in?

>>10901011
yeah it's almost kafkaesque

>>10901031
derided on /lit/, he means

>>10897682
Yikes OP why don't you read a real philosopher like Schopenhauer? Instead you bought the /pol/ starter pack.

>>10901026
>Does tearing people down online give you any fulfillment?
No I just want retards to stop invading and polluting my virtual spaces. Go back to crabbit I didn't even read the rest of your post

>>10901109
>No I just want retards to stop invading and polluting my virtual spaces

>Muh safe space.

People like you are the problem.

>>10900948
Even Ayn Rand said that if you didn't want to read her huge novels you could just read her political articles.

>>10900666
>666
Coincidence? I don't think so.

>>10901115
No people like YOU are the problem. You managed to write two sentences and both of those are memey soundbites. Get lost you crabbitor.

>>10901120

Like most hacks, if their material is dense garbage then you need to pickup the cliffsnotes. The fact that she knows she is a hack is somewhat endearing. That is until you realize that she is smart enough to be self-conscious but not smart enough to put down a pen.

>>10901136

>Retort is literally NO U

The absolute state of this board.

>>10901007
>I have yet to see someone use this word online while not saying something utterly retarded.
Good, because Orwell is utterly retarded. People keep invoking him, but his predictions weren't accurate. Authority has taken on a much more subtle albeit still pervasive form, and the naked power of mid 20th century totalitarianism seems quaint in a way. People always talk about Huxley and Orwell. Huxley still is somewhat relevant but I think Orwell should probably be replaced by Vonnegut's Player Piano as a predictor of modern social ills.

>>10901142
She probably wrote novels because she felt it was cathartic or something. Or to propaganda. Or both.

>>10901142
I don't subscibe to her ideology, but I don't think less of her for writing her books. Basically she was doing her own agitprop instead of waiting for someone else to create art based on her principles.

>>10901157
britain becomes more Orwellian by the year dude

>>10901174
I forgot about them.
Oy mate, you got a license for that point?

>>10901178
bin that post m8, we will find you

>>10897682
are you a normalfag /pol/ack and is that your fuckboy skater roommate?
>>10897801
faggot
>>10899998
cool flip flops anon

>>10901157
>Huxley still is somewhat relevant

>Antidepressants and pain killers are being prescribed at epidemic rates.
>Morbid obesity is at an all time high- almost half of the entire untied states is morbidly obese.
>But anon, food ain't drugs! People don't eat to escape the hellish life they are predestined to live.
>Operation Prism
>Cambridge analytica
>Rampant speech blocking because of the ramification some words have on "feelings"
>Unprecedented police brutality
>Unprecedented police budgets and employment
>6 people control all of what we see, hear and think on all major media


Ya anon, keep telling yourself that Orwell and Huxley are only moderately applicable to our daily lives.

It's a crying shame how stupid people have become.

>>10901197
I will be sad when we can no longer exchange bantz with British anons because 4chan will be banned in their country.

>>10901172

I concede that I was a bit harsh in saying she should have dropped the pen. I still feel that her ideals boil down to my greentext.

>>10901149
>Another barrage of memey soundbites
Your mind is governed by internet memes

>>10901214

Kid's have been saying NO U way before the internet was around JR. You obviously had no comeback so the only thing you could do was resort to what a child would say when they're wrestling with the fact that they are incorrect.

>>10901201
>the vast majority of people are morons and apparently life in the first world is "hellish"
wtf I believe we live in a dystopia now

>>10901228
NO U wasn't the crux of my post you retard

>>10901233

Life in and of itself is hellish. 1st world get to die more comfortably. I certainly wouldn't trade places with an African child but that doesn't detract from my argument.

>>10901241
>Life in and of itself is hellish
That's your opinion

>>10901206
seriously I wonder what's going to happen with that. pseudo-anonymity is probably going to disappear

>>10901246
yeah we all gathered that it was his opinion based on the fact that he said it

>>10901235
>No people like YOU

Direct quote. First 4 words. It certainly was the crux because the rest of it is drivel that in essence sounds like "GUYS I JUST LEARNED THE WORD MAYMAY AND I HATE IT." THIS DUDE SAID SOMETHING I'VE HEARD SOMEONE ELSE SAY BEFORE, IT MUST BE A MAYMAY. ILL TELL HIM I HATE MAYMAYS THAT'LL MAKE HIM GO AWAYWAY.

Seriously JR. Just shut the fuck up and constructively dissect something you don't like. You say I throw around meme's but the way you throw it around you just make meme sound like a buzzword.

tl:dr Stop being such a faggot.

>>10901246

Brilliant deduction.

>>10900812
>>10901011
Shut the fuck up you retarded third-worlder.

probably will take me into the summer, if not all year
>>10901275
Tortilla Flat is a very good book; it is sentimental to me, along with Cannery Row and East of Eden.

>>10900329
kek

>>10901201
Player Piano is more accurate. And your post is exactly the kind of bullshit that sees connections that aren't there.
>Huxley has an economy that provides amply for everyone
Reality is otherwise
>Huxley has people created artificially in laboratories for certain roles
Reality has a society unable to reproduce at replacement rates that relies on importation of outsiders. This is not unique in history either, from 1700-1900 no major European had birth and childhood survival rates that were above replacement. Every major European metropolis could count all of its population growth as being caused by people coming in from the countryside
>Huxley has a society where sexuality is about social cohesion and people reflexively
In reality rather than the scope of sexuality changing from the interrelationship of two people (presumably husband and wife, but we could just say a couple) sexuality has become radically individualized. Masturbation is extremely commonplace and even the casual sex that people do engage in (stuff like FWB and tinder) seems to usually be about individual gratification rather than cultivating a relationship. So Huxley predicted the exact opposite of what has happened. Rather than "free love" (just try to imagine #metoo in Brave New world) we now have a highly individualized sexual culture.

Here is the problem with Huxley. It's a "first world problem" version of dystopia. In reality we don't have the wealth that Huxley's dystopia has. I guess there are some wealthy suburbs of the major metropolitan areas where that might be the case, but for most people economic problems (or just economic anxieties for those who are more affluent) are a major cause of distress. Most people aren't languishing because they live a life of mindless luxury and are bored with it. They're engaging in self destructive behavior because life is fairly difficult and they can't find ways to channel resources to actual improvements in quality of life so they just supersize whatever petty luxuries they can afford.

>Prism
>Cambridge analytics
This is precisely why Orwell was wrong.
It is not a mandatory telescreen that spies on us and bombards us with propaganda. Instead it is a smartphone that we gladly pay for, a social media account that we happily report our doings to, and a series of websites that we decide we will get our news from. We are building our own cage, not being thrust into one.

>Unprecedented police brutality
You're just factually incorrect here

>>10901336
>from 1700-1900 no major European city had
forgot a word

>>10900329
Sonybro detected

>>10901263
I keep accusing you of being someone whose mind is governed by internet memes and in order to prove me wrong you write a wot of memes and buzzwords.
Ok then: your mom's gay

>>10901336
Finally some capable of using his fucking brain. Thank God! I don't agree with this though
>Masturbation is extremely commonplace
Masturbation was always extremely commonplace

>>10901336

Huxley has an economy that provides amply for everyone

>Implying that the U.S. economy can't provide amply for everyone and that instead the majority goes to the top AKA Big brother. So instead they're given juuust enough to be content and if they aren't then they self medicate.

Huxley has people created artificially in laboratories for certain roles
Reality has a society unable to reproduce at replacement rates that relies on importation of outsiders. This is not unique in history either, from 1700-1900 no major European had birth and childhood survival rates that were above replacement. Every major European metropolis could count all of its population growth as being caused by people coming in from the countryside

>Implying that test tube babies won't be a thing in 100 years. Implying that you aren't born into a caste that is neigh impossible to get out of.

Huxley has a society where sexuality is about social cohesion and people reflexively
In reality rather than the scope of sexuality changing from the interrelationship of two people (presumably husband and wife, but we could just say a couple) sexuality has become radically individualized. Masturbation is extremely commonplace and even the casual sex that people do engage in (stuff like FWB and tinder) seems to usually be about individual gratification rather than cultivating a relationship. So Huxley predicted the exact opposite of what has happened. Rather than "free love" (just try to imagine #metoo in Brave New world) we now have a highly individualized sexual culture.

>Implying marriage has not been on the decline. Implying open relationships have not become more prominent.

Unprecedented police brutality
You're just factually incorrect here

>Source.

Wew lad are you even trying?

>>10901367
You're wrong. In mid 1960s my mother worked with retarded people. A few of the older patients had been institutionalized because their parents caught them masturbating. Imagine that! Institutionalized because you're a bit slow and like to jerk off, but that was how things were in the 30s when they got committed. Even in my own lifetime (born 1980) the proliferation of pornography and the dropping of taboos around masturbation have been astounding.

>>10901352

I literally don't care if you think my mind is governed by internet meme.

Check-mate?

>>10901384
>Unprecedented police brutality
>You're just factually incorrect here
>>Source.
You made the assertion, you prove that there is unprecedented police brutality.

>>10901405
>Check-mate?
I'll reteirate: your mom's gay

>>10901384
>>Huxley's predictions have not panned out
>But they could or will
Get back to me when they do.

>>10901410

>I'll reteirate: your mom's gay

And this affects me how?

>tfw nobody (you)'s your stack

>>10901404
I actually grew up in a fairly traditional community (rural Italy) my grandpa and grandgrandparents were both poor as fuck farmers and I know, thanks to my now dead grandma, that both of them wanked a lot. It may be true that masturbation was not that common where you live though because of anglo puritanism.

>>10899998
fucking disgusting except Murray and The Prince

>>10901429
grandpa and grandgrandpa*

>>10901414

>Get back to me when they do.

What a lazy response. Your insinuating that it's only ever useful to point out things that are exactly alike and not precursors.

Proactive is objectively better than reactive.

>>10897888

>abridged version of Spengler

What color of crayon tastes best?

>>10900987
Scum. Heretic. First on the day

>>10901409

I reiterate. Are you even trying?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=police+brutality+in+the+last+10+years

>>10901471
>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=police+brutality+in+the+last+10+years


wah wah wah brown ppl walk around and dont listen to cops who are merely trying to figure out if they are armed or not, repeatedly telling them to put their hands up and drop whatevers in it and just being ignored.

you sissy faggots could have it way worse

http://lmgtfy.com/?t=i&q=gestapo

>>10900987
omg kys cringe

>>10901471
>unprecedented
The last 10 years have been nothing. Find something similar to this happening in our times
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre
or this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lattimer_massacre
or this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE#1985_bombing

>>10901491

>Literally has no idea what I am talking about
>Makes it about race
>Post irrelevant LMGTFY

You are nothing short of retarded. My entire argument was talking about the U.S. Racist can never grasp an issue further than skin color.

>>10901511
i think David Hume grasped quite a few issues beyond skin colour

>>10901511
http://lmgtfy.com/?t=i&q=us+crime+rates+by+demographic

>>10900135
Unreasonably enjoyable stack for this board.

>>10900795
Life and Fate is fucking great, anon. Enjoy it.

>>10900812
>definition of Orwellian.
Orwellian is a truly meaningless term. I have never once seen it used effectively, it's just a buzzword version of 'dystopian' at this point.

>Memerson
About 3/4 through. It’s been a drag with a few insightful piece far and few inbetween. If anything, it slowed down my general reading pace.
>Welcome to the Monkey House, Vonnegut
It’s a collected of short stories from Kurt and also the first time I’ve been exposed to his work. When I started reading it, I couldn’t unserstand the slack /lit/ gave him. 1/3 through and my opinion has started to diminish
>The MM by Mann
Started last night and can already tell I’m dealing with a piece of a total new character. The writing has already strarted to pull me into its mystic allure.

>>10901284
What is the great joseki debates about?

What's a stack meant to consist of? Shit I purchased recently or is everyone here just posting things they're reading concurrently? Because I haven't bulk purchased anything in a while and I only read one book at a time as a rule.

>>10901688
I assume it's books you are going to be reading shortly/are already reading.

>>10901688
Your rule won't last, but a stack is basically what you plan on reading/are reading or purchased.

>>10901711
>your rule won't last
Why, I've been doing it for ages, autism prevents me from doing anything before I finish a book I'm currently reading. I once didn't read anything else for months while I slogged through a book that was nothing but a transcript of conversations with Fidel Castro.

>>10901711
>>10901719
I do the same. Been reading one book at a time for as long as I've been reading. I also can't watch two television series at the same time.

Otherwise my brain gets scrambled.

>>10901660
sequence debates in the game of go

>>10901719
I was just projecting.. I kept the rule myself until I encountered 12 Rules.. needed something to break the monotony. What was a thinking reading self-help :cringe emoji:

>>10901751
My bigger, I love go. Is it more theoretical or philosophical. Also, rank?

>>10901775
I'm around 15 kyu amateur. It is kind of simple; it is a bunch of diagrams of hypothetical scenarios with various areas to play from. It then demonstrates which way in the "debate" is stronger and further explains the choice. I play off and on but I really like the strategy.

>>10899998
Them's about the cheapest shades I've ever seen.

>>10901814
Hehe, I'm 5k kyu. Don't stop playing bro. It gets more profound once you start to understand influence proper!y

>>10899998

Milo pls go

>>10897801
faggot

>>10900210
mein bruder

>>10901099
Came here to post this

Ña

>>10903164
holy mother of secondary sources batman

R8 or h8 - what'd ya think m8s?

>>10900962
>the bell curve

It has been unanimously agreed upon that all books in that memestack are shit, EXCEPT for The Prince, which is a logical cornerstone of political/social relations

>>10903180
That's not a good Cela novel.

>>10903188
Picked it up for cheap at my library. I had never head of him before, but I like what little I've read so far. What should I get from him next?

>>10900321
Read Boccaccio, Brontë, Cooper, and Dostoevsky. You can throw out all the rest.

Spring is coming!

>>10903191
>throw out Watership Down, one of the greatest fantasy novels of all time, aside from LoTR

Why

>>10903190
La familia de Pascual Duarte is pretty good. Never read the translations though.

>>10903217
It's old and outdated, but sometimes modern scientists look over old material, in my opinion, it would do you well to check out the book 'Sylva' written by John Evelyn

It suggests neat things like feeding your trees milk, if you were planning on planting trees. Which would, of course, be a cool thing to do. In fact, rather than waiting on that, I should like to plant some trees in the near future, because those old things take so long to grow I wouldn't be able to see true progress for like 10-20 years

>>10901642
I know you just started Magic Mountain, but how do you rate it? I think I'm gonna pick it up but want to get some peer to peer review of it before I buy(on a book budget :( )

>>10899998
Nice meme politics.
This stack screams "I'm trying to rebel against a liberalized ruling class but am too impotent and cowardly to actually think outside of the realm of acceptability"

If you want conservative ideals I'd suggest you go and read more first hand sources like The Prince, and less fucking Milo.
At least the guy above you is reading real books.

>>10897682
Why do men always place objects they think are cool into the picture of the thing they are trying to show off?

>>10901642
If you want exposure to Vonnegut, don't start with his short stories. Try Cat's Cradle/Slaughterhouse/Sirens of Titan instead, they're more reflective of his worldview and generally just a lot better.

>>10903226
Thank you for the recommendation. The English translation is published by Dalkey Archives, which usually has decent translators from my experience with them. What don't you like about Christ versus Arizona?

>>10897682
lol hi ignatius j reilly is that your mom

>>10903259
I mean... the novel is good, but it lacks the richness of Cela's main work. Spanish literary tradition is far too rich and Cela was one of the best 20th century writers to use it in innovative ways, Cristo versus Arizona is not a good example. I get that someone that has zero interest in tradition could prefer it over the one I recommended, but, in my opinion, if you ignore that stuff, you would miss the greatness of his writing.

>>10903259
>>10903291
sorry for the bad English!

>>10897725
underrated post

>>10900948
Ayn Rand is an incredible writer. Granted, I’m pretty libertarian, but Ron Paul-tier. Her prose is just so thrilling for me.

>>10903291
>>10903295
No need to apologize I appreciate what you are saying. I unfortunately don't know much about Spanish literature, next to nothing really. I'll pick up La familia de Pascual Duarte then and save the one I have for later. Are there any other canonical Spanish authors you would recommend? I almost exclusively read French and German authors, which makes me worried about what sort of writing I am missing out on. The only Spanish speaking author I'm well familiar with is César Aria.

>>10903255
There is no doubt that reading primary sources in ANYTHING is the BEST way to learn it, if you're actually intelligent. That being said, you need a little background of the work before it begins, usually the introduction or accompanying material is enough, but if not you can always research it.

>>10901027
I don’t believe you, but if you are reading that fast, your comprehension will be shit. Also that Jaynes book is fascinating. Really awesome theory, but I don’t buy it.

(2/2)
Primary sources are extremely dry, but it's because they are academic. Primary sociological/economic sources, especially of a mathematical nature are very interesting because they are largely unbiased.

Then I can take the facts and interpret them how I want to. Sometimes I will read multiple primary sources along the same line of thought, like for example differential marginal economics, or political philosophical thought towards the end of the 18th century, and compare them to see how the development of economic policy in america has proceeded, or how the development of the current powers that be have proceeded.

(sorry, 3/4)
The truth is, sadly, there are certain, for the moment, immutable truths with regard to power, and I don't think you will ever get rid of them. For instance in The Social Contract by Jean-Jacques Rousseau, it is said that the progression of society follows a parabolic curve, from Monarchy to Aristocracy to Democracy. Whereas Pareto, in the Manual of Political Economy, asserts rather dogmatically that states have always, regardless of the powers that be, been comprised of aristocracies. Regardless of the truth of this matter (which I doubt very much regarding Monarchies), it is true that the aristocracies would reveal themselves twice on the parabolic curve of civilization, and then monarchies twice. To shorten civilization to a halt is to remain in the apex of the core, in democracy. (in fact, if the chaos of democracy is managed efficiently enough, the progress of civilization could be viewed more pragmatically, as a butterfly graph, with -∞<X≤-4, 4≤X<∞ denoting Monarchy from time immemorial to the time infinity beyond, X = -1, 1 denoting Aristocracy, and Democracy being of course point zero in the whole curve. In this way we can give teleology to our supposed Rousseauian 'parabolic' civilization function. In fact, if you want to view these things as being completely antithetical, you would find that history has been a struggle of escaping from the confines of regulations meant to entangle us in power structures, and then regulations meant to keep the populace preoccupied with voting for leaders [which would have been why Aristocracy was Rousseau's favorite system] and a system designed for the complete productive mechanics [which would explain why the atheistic Thorstein Veblen's favorite system was the perfunctory nature of capitalism, as opposed to the hierarchical nature that is natural to human civilization]. And then the antithetical to this would be to transform the productive capacities of humanity into an intelligent, Good way to determine who is fit to lead and influence others, thus transitioning into the 'positive' Aristocracy and then a positive Monarchy, something that is inherently progressive because we've never seen it before) But democracy was simply perhaps a way to shake up the powers that be. If we can find a way to install actual intellectual checks for the elite, then we've solved infinity different problems for utility of the individuals living in the society. For one, the equilibrium points on the line of exchanges, instead of being greater extremes of duopolistic competition (a high and a low price to capture different market segments because marginal utility necessitates this), the equilibrium points would come closer to coinciding (meeting the indifference curve of the individuals in the society).

(4/4)
Without collectivization of resources, you will never see one complete stable equilibrium, it is always two stable equilibriums. This being said, of course, collectivization of production comes along with many different little problems.

The notion of Marx, for one, was just another aristocracy. Amusingly enough, Pareto notes this in chapter 7 of his book Manual of Political Economy. Marx was simply a leader of a future aristocracy, which, in turn, could not last, and was dissolved. Fittingly, not ironically like some of the Marxist champions would state, Marxism was used as a power tool, because he himself would have used it as such.

>>10903357
>sociological/economic sources, especially of a mathematical nature are very interesting because they are largely unbiased
Jesus fucking christ you people need to die

>>10903379
The truth is, you're dumb.

>>10903387
No.

>>10903341
Garcilaso de la Vega, Quevedo, Góngora for poetry.
Cervantes, of course.
I would recommend you also to read picaresque novels, they're fun to read: Guzmán de Alfarache by Mateo Alemán, Lazarillo de Tormes, La vida del Buscón by Quevedo.
Those are classics. If you're into more modern novels let me know and I can recommend some latinamerican shit too.

>>10897682
Rip my stack a new one.

>>10903457
Looks like my high school's required reading list.

Rate mine.

>>10903403
I'm saving all of them. Honestly any recommendations you have I'll take. Thank you, this is one of the rare times I've had a good exchange with someone on this site.

>>10903460
im gonna rate your character... stop being a prick and BE KIND.

>>10903460
My school never had good reading material so I'm catching up at the age of 19.
If you're OP then I'll rate yours if not then you didn't post a picture.

Yeah I wouldn't be able to read 3 pages of any book in your stack. I don't think I'd be able to rate it but uh Mein Kampf + Scope on top of stack, I think memes tell me you should take your ass back to /pol/

>>10903460
>>10903505
Also something about your mom

Poseur thread?

>>10903484
Read Borges if you haven't, García Márquez (as you already are), Antonio Di Benedetto, Juan José Saer, Juan Carlos Onetti (really fucking good), José Donoso, Machado de Assis, Clarice Lispector, Miguel Ángel Asturias, Juan Rulfo (godlike writer), Carlos Fuentes, Roberto Bolaño, Leopoldo Marechal, Alejo Carpentier (another godlike writer).

Those are some of my favourites.

>>10903517
Ah thank you much again Anon. I'm off to bed, I hope the rest of your day/evening/night treats you well.

>>10903487
hahaha got em

>>10900321
Throw Dianetics in the garbage you fucking brainlet

>>/pol/

>>10897682
>Fashy books
>disgusting wh*te girl with gross, unkempt hair in a ponytail
>scopes
>FUCKING SNAPBACK
Jesus, your existence is painful, isn't it?

>>10900135
Patrish. I want to get into Gene Wolfe, where should I start? That series?

>>10900210
Have you read Doctor Faustus?

>>10900321
Half the books are terrible; half are great. I like it. Get into Sade's novels for The Rebel, it's Camus' most interesting bit on liberty.

>>10900758
Chuck the Vonnegut and Fartre, and this is a great stack.

>>10900795
Heard nothing about these. Tell us what you think sometime, hopefully I'll see it through the kaleidoscope of autism.

>>10901284
New Age baby boomer?

>>10901642
Mann is good. I wont talk about that meme.

>>10903180
Buy Hackett Classics for Plato's dialogues, they're cheap and nice-looking. How you liking Lattimore?

>>10903217
Know much about botany? I need to write something on N.I. Vavilov and don't understand much of his science.

>>10903457
If you don't like Wilde because of that book, try to get into his plays like Salome or Importance of Being Earnest. He's actually funny as shit, but I never knew because I was always turned off that book until recently. Nice enough stack. I hate Signets though, they're rather crumby and deteriorate too fast.

>>10903992
Plan on doing it. I skipped it when we had to read it in high school because I was stupid back then and couldn't appreciate good literature anyways.

>>10897682
Not sure if it'd be worse that you bought those books just to photograph them and post them as bait or if you're genuinely retarded

>>10900987
only benthos weaklings cringe

lmao

>>10905128
patrish

I bought a book on Sunday from a charity shop. It turns out it was published in 1972 and apart from the obvious yellowing of the pages and the fact that it now smells like a musky library, but all indications it hasn't been opened at all in 46
years.

I wonder how many of these books will end up having the same fate.

Studying in China right now, this is all I got so far.

>>10897888
Don't mind the meanies, friend. Get into Kabir and Khushrow when you're done with Guénon

>>10897801
I have read C&P and BrothersK before i heard of Peterson and i'm convinced that Dostoyevsky is the author that changed my world view the most.
>Its a lot of pages but very worthwhile

Pls r8 friends

r8

>>10905603
Why are they upside down? Do people really store books like this?

This is what's on my desk

>>10900135
I hope you enjoy those Brostoevsky books as much as i did, i rate them Brothers k > Demons > The Idiot

>>10905209
>not the 1946 edition of Animal Farm
Disgusting.

>>10897682
>Evola, Spengler and hecking Hitler
>mom, boomer house and gaming console in the background
Do us a favor and shoot yourself with whatever gun that optic belongs to. Good stack though

>>10897682

>>10899998
>the blue pilled teen that thinks he's woke - starter pack

>>10905642
They aren't, I stacked them off a chair and my phone made the photo go sideways for god knows what reason..

>>10903174
This, why don't you just actually read more Plato?

>>10905917

Why do you assume that reading secondary sources is taking the place of rather than complimenting his reading of primary sources?

>>10897682

>>10897682
>lit
>Mein Kampf
Back to pol plebian. Book is absolute trash

>>10905764
That's a lot of Kierkegaard.

>>10905936
which one are you gonna start with?

>>10905926
its all too common for people to rely on readers or secondary texts to limp their way through a thinker and then claim they understand them while passing off someone else’s ideas as their own creation. how many people on here who have read Plato could explain the structure of the Republic’s metaphysical parts in detail with reference to the Timaeus and the other works?

>>10905972
Implying anyone has ever written an original word

>>10905972

You're justifying assumptions with more assumptions. Why do you believe it's common for people to completely ignore Plato and rely solely on secondary texts while studying Plato?

Bit strange judging others for books they have yet to read. A lot of the time I read stuff because it is historically important or influential, despite sometimes not being particularly interesting or enjoyable.

>>10906011
>take picture of stack
>look at picture and realize its completely out of focus
>"good enough i dont need to take another"

>>10905976
akasha fag fuck off
>>10905991
i believe that secondary texts will permanently mutilate a readers ability to understand the author in an organic manner and that this is why education is evil and the intelligentsia manufacture ideologues

>>10900795
Speak, Memory is good. Ordinary men is sort of not so good. Haven't read the others

>>10906022
>Akasha
Literally who

>>10906022

That's really stupid. Reading a book discussing Plato is no different than talking to somebody face to face about Plato. Having a discussion about Plato will not mutilate your ability to think about his ideas.

>>10906020
this is a metaphor for living, sperg. your senses will not always deliver and you can't always get HD quality understanding of others. deal with it, without making yourself upset, and you'll be a man my son.

>>10905976
>Implying anyone has ever written an original word
implying the Word of the bible is not divinely inspired

(meaning an accurate, unironic meta-narrative of creation and man's purpose)

>>10906028
i hate whites so much sometimes
>>10906040
it will, language is a viral infection, carelessly discussing an idea will deform the abstract machine that organizes the mind’s perception of that idea. The signs, words, people and experiences you associate with or have all interrelate and cause mutual metamorphosis. This is why Plato refused to write down his real teachings, they would quite literally become abominations if put into writing and shared openly with people who did not have the cognitive or solar capacity to deduce, derive or draw up their own understandings. Don’t like it? Why not try explaining your own idea to someone for more than 2 minutes and then when you leave see if the idea hasn’t changed now because of your discourse. Guarantee its not shifted in its harmonies and implications ever so slightly, talk with a worthy adversary anout your ideas and they’ll feel alien or matured or even hybridized by the time you’re done.

Idea im the mind and among worthies and idea in the spoken or written word is not the same. All mental constructs are malleable, all logical deductions can be bent and redirected in their implications. Hence once can take Plato as being purely a worldly ethics, or they can see Plato as a Hieratic Nondualist divining the structure of cosmos.

>>10906020
I looked at it and the titles are readable without straining, apart from maybe the first one (Civilisation and its Discontent by Freud).

>>10906061
Good post.

>>10906120
Don't worry whites hate you too

>>10906070
But the bible itself is a collection of stories with reference to eachother

>>10906120

I'm so not interested in what you think about language or ideas and nothing you've said has anything to do with the questions asked. You clearly can't tell the difference between assertion and justification.

Plato is an author and did write his own books by the way.

just picked up today, $20

>>10903992
>New Age baby boomer?
what gave you this impression because it's wrong on both accounts

>>10906143
im nearly half white and the rest is jewish, i look more european than Jewish so no they don’t
>>10906242
Plato did not write down his core ideas and agreed with me about language as well as most people not being ready to see the abstract ideal system of thought that Socrates taught. That you did not even attempt to understand the reply is all that needs to be seen

>>10906323
>sometimes I hate white people
>m nearly half white and the rest is jewish,
imagine my shock lel

>>10906323
white is a state of mind, white is right

>>10906338
/Pol was right.

>>10905636
Needs a spot of nonfic like a biography or history, philosophy and maybe poetry to balance it out.

Like a biography, a collection of essays

>>10906338
>>10906350
>LARPs as EVERYTHANG
>doesn’t know what the Aryans referred to with the word Akasha
disgusting
>>10906342
white is a skin color and is associated with northwestern euros by white supremacists

This is what’s by my bed right now. Mostly there cuz I’m bout to lend a bunch of them to a friend

>>10906411
Sry sideways posted from my phone

>>10903992
I’ll definitely check out some of Wilde’s plays. Also yeah I’m not a huge fan of the Signet, but I bought it for $4 so it’s a bit hard to complain about the edition.

>>10900795
Petersburg is amazing but you gotta get the full text version!

>>10906373

>>10899998
>All the hate on this stack
Can almost guarantee none of you commie shits criticising have read the bell curve, strange death of Europe, the prince, or atlas shrugged

>>10906011
>>10906061
it actually gives me slight discomfort having to read something so blurred, and as inconsequential as you might view such an action, everyone else managed without incident. You two smack of the kind of self-aggrandisement that would allow someone to exhibit uncouth yet haughty behaviour simultaneouly without pangs of conscience or self-reflection. Luckily, you've provided a timely example in referring to that anon as both a 'sperg' and (albeit disparagingly) your 'son' in the same post

>>10897682
Post blondie's tits, you Monster-drinking fuckboi faggot.

>>10897888
Bede was a liar. Nice trips tho.

>>10899998
IS THE BELL CURVE LEGIT OR NOT?

>>10906713
Kind of

>>10906642
Bell Curve isn’t accurate, IQ is highly stratified but it doesn’t correlate well with wealth

Europe as a concept was invented in the 19th century and there was a pan-european movement since the days of Napoleon

Atlas Shrugged is elite propaganda

The Prince is a Medici propaganda book for psychopathic rulers

>>10906761
And you’re a brainlet reductionist

>>10906713
this >>10906735 its true that blacks are dumber than whites and low iq people have lower socioeconomic status, its not true that being 150 iq means you will be a billionaire, mega millionaire or won’t commit crimes. most mafia heads probably have ~130 iq and most oligarchs don’t have even close to 140-150 iq at all. So, no not in the way that /pol/ thinks. I don’t think Elon Musk is particularly intelligent compared to someone like Erwin Schrodinger or Euler but neither of those people were mega millionaires which is odd since iq is supposed to lead to economic domiance. other factors account for fortunes and social dominance. blacks can be rich and thy can also be intelligent so using it to enforce systematic racism is asinine

>>10906780
makeup, lighting, narcissism, cucked exhausted spirit, jew

Why do you guys buy so many books? There's no way you'll read them all... is it for the lit aesthetic?

>>10906977

I read about a 100 books per year.

>>10907008
But do you remember even 10?

>>10907017

I remember even more than I read, bucko.

>>10907017
>insecurity alert insecurity alert neenoh neenoh

>>10907017

Partially, yeah. If you read one book per year you're not going to remember everything in it. That's not why you read books. At very least I remember where to find information when I need it.

>>10907008
NEET detected

>>10906713
Read it first, and then read the articles that criticised and supported it, and then make up your own mind whether TBC authors made their case well.

>>10906796
this is a strawman. nobody ever said that smart people don't commit crimes, just that they're less likely to. nobody ever said that smart people are guaranteed to end up rich, just that they have a way better chance at it. herrnstein and murray bend over backwards to say that they're not justifying racism, and in any event the book isn't mainly about race anyway.

>>10903457
Honestly perfect.

Got a couple more due to arrive.

>>10907021
You remember books you haven't read?

>>10900218
>being this unironically autistic
kys

>>10901027
Prometheus Rising has exercises in it, it is not for rapid reading.

>>10900218
Exactly wrong.

>>10905128
Kappa isn't really Akutagawa at his best. His short stories are much better in my opinion. Kappa is just an overly elaborate suicide note.

>>10897725
this

>>10905764
How do I bust into kikey, I hear he's real good

>>10909692
Start with the Greeks.

>>10909692
https://www.sjc.edu/academic-programs/undergraduate/seminar/annapolis-undergraduate-readings

Uni reading list - you will get to Kierkgaard eventually.

>>10897682
>trs
>declinist genre books
>mein kampf
Yet another upper middle class cunt and retard believing the west is in decline. Consider suicide.
t. once a Poorfag.

>>10901447
>bothering to read all of Spengler
ew

>>10909692
Just read Kierkegaard, it is that simple

>>10906642
I waded through the entire atlas slugged. It's irredeemable trash. As is the fountainhead. As is anything by rand because she's an angry libertardian hack who hated herself and dreamt of being raped by the ubermensch while in reality she and her husband cucked each other. The books embody her life's fantasies. You can smell the resentment without even opening the cover (though, as I will point out again, I have indeed opened it).

>>10911625
Aesthetic as fuck

>>10897682
we got a nazi on our hands here folks
anyway get this scumbag banned

my stack>your stack

>>10897768
you are The Stadist now

if you don't read the manheim 1943 translation of mein kampf, you aren't reading an accurate translation.

>>10911625
>>10911625
I've been to every single goodwill in my area and I can't find other HP books other than Philosopher's Stone.