/lit/ - Literature

first for sanderfag a hack

>>10890232
I couldn’t finish his third stormlight book

If I read this next what would I be in for?

>>10890359
Don't fall for the chink meme.

>>10890426
Went to amazon to read the plot description and...
>Product description
"Wildly imaginative, really interesting." ―President Barack Obama (King Nigger) on The Three-Body Problem trilogy
Never mind then.

>>10890359
- very sino-centric
- not well translated
- dull protag
+ amazing concepts
+ nice historical sections
+ leads to excellent series

it's basically modern, 'golden-age'-esc scifi from a Chinese perspective. read it for sure my guy, even if it rubs you the wrong way power through it for The Dark Forest, which is bonkers good

Webnovels are novels too

why is heinlein so shit?

>>10889003
As great as they all are, Night Watch is the best Vimes book by a long shot.

>>10890644
Night Watch is the best Pratchett book period.

>>10890451
Who hurt you?
Were you bullied by Afro Americans in school?
Did you walk in on your mom getting donkey dicked by a black guy?
Did a black guy take your sister's virginity before you could?
Did your dad admit he is a sissy faggot and ran off with a "bull"?
Did blacks knock your books out your hand at school?

What is this pent up frustration and Freudian want, that makes you mindlessly lash out in a fantasy and sci-fi thread about the skin colour of someone else.

>>10890705
Monstrous Regiment would like a word.

I want to write a Novel that at the end of the day is slightly different, more nihilistic tone than the rest of the novels that would come after it. And I don't know how people would react to it. Could it be done?

Anyone hear or read The Night Land?

So it's sci-fi fantasy written in 1910 or something, it takes place millions of years in the future, one of the first literary uses of the concept of an arcology. Humanity exists in two giant metal pyramid arcologies. Every extinction event has already happened. The sun is extinguished, the moon crashed into the earth eons ago, everyone lives in a giant crack in the earth's crust where it's semi-warm and geothermal energy still radiates. Extra dimensional beings that devour souls surround the arcology, edging closer on a geological time line. The books theme is courage in the face of entropy, basically.

However, it's written in the worst possible prose ever and the majority of the book is a classic knight on a quest story line and it's tedious. Amazing setting, though. The knight is like a psychic chain-axe Beowulf astronaut dude though.

The fan fiction associated with it is top-notch though.

It inspired a lot of Lovecraft's writing, he gave it rave reviews but it's obscure in modern times. It's free on Gutenberg.

>>10890799
Try it.
>>10890814
I'll have to check it out.

redpill me on R. A. Lafferty

>>10890853
crypto jew. with a jew agenda.

>>10890844
Forgot the metal af cover art.

>>10890814
There's also a "translated" edition from a few years back if one doesn't like the dialogueless prose of the first one, where like 95% of the paragraphs start with some variation of "and" followed by a first person description. Honestly it kinda reads like a young child breathlessly describing a trip to the woods or something.

>and then I saw a big slug and it was yellow and it crawled down a branch

>>10891009
Yeah that is The Night Lands: A Story Retold, it was written in the 90's or something and is supposed to imitate the style of 1950's sci-fi novels.

The original is fine, once you get used to the pesudo-archaic language it's easy to read. Much of the book is filler "Hark, I hid in the bushes by the fire-pit and took once a water pill and made a broth of mine nutrition capsule, ect, ect, ect" it's okay to skim through. The fan-fiction which some has been published is written in a modern style and it's very good, if you like sci-fi or fantasy.

What's some urban fantasy to veer me away from consuming VNs like Fate/Stay Night

>>10891086
my novel

>>10891086
interactive fiction.
go play zork.

>Telling lies is second nature to Casey Clemens, whether she's talking to strangers on national television or to her mother on the phone. Casey's got a cushy Hollywood condo, an efficient cleaning lady and a rich boyfriend (nevermind that he's married). When Casey feels dissatisfied she fantasizes: about winning an Oscar, about finding real love or about her childhood hero, King Arthur. It feels like an acting career, sort of, until the day before Casey's 40th birthday when she loses everything she never cared about, falls through a gap in time, and lands in the 6th century war camp of King Arthur himself. He mistakes her for a wizard and takes her in. But as she finds her feelings warming to him she also finds enemies. War is fast approaching, and the Dark Ages are a perilous time for an actress with an honesty problem. That is, if she wants to make it back to the 21st century alive. Not that she could if she wanted to. Not that she wants to.

>>10891105
his novel

>see a book
>get slightly interested in it
>see the author is a female
>lose all interest and disregard the book
Anybody else do this?

>>10891379
No

>>10891379
No, because I always read the author's name before the title.

>>10891112
>>10891086
Once you've played Zork go play Trinity. https://archive.org/details/ClassicTextAdventureMasterpiecesofInfocomMacintosh

>>10890644
I'm enjoying them all a whole lot so i'll look forward to it.

>>10891400
I would argue you won't get the most out of Night Watch until you've read at least a few other Vimes books. They're all great though.

>>10891379
I avoid most female authors and can't really take them seriously. They seem to churn out some of the most garbage novels I've ever read in my life at a higher ratio then men. Obviously there are outliers, but those are pretty rare.

>>10891412
yeah i'm slowly going trough the different story lines apart from Rincewind's. One Death book here then maybe a Witches book there, so i'm planning on going in order trough the story lines just not necessarily one book after an other.

>>10891421
If you haven't read it yet, The Truth has my -ing favorite one-book character in the series.

>>10891430
hmmm the Industrial Revolution is one story line i haven't started but the premise of The Truth sounds quite interesting. Gotta say of the starter books in the different series probably his strongest ones are Guards Guards and The Wee Free Men, both Mort and Equal Rites still feel pretty rough around the edges.

What are your opinions on Memory, Sorrow and Thorn?

>>10891450
Yeah, that's fair. It's been years but Equal Rites isn't quite as memorable as some of the others.

>>10891463
i like the homely tone of the beginning in the mountains and Granny slowly teaching Esk the craft but it gets a bit dull once she makes the journey to the city. Guess that's why I like TWFM so much considering it keeps the pastoral setting and feel for most of the story.

I want to write a fantasy novel about a character that gradually goes from decent human being to a full on tyrant. But I feel like there are tons of those now.

>>10891489
Doesn't mean you can't put your own spin on it. One great example is the Bartimaeus Trilogy, if you don't mind YA.

>>10891489
Just because someone is a tyrant doesn't mean they're a bad person.

>>10890760
>Monstrous Regiment would like a word.
Pretty sure you and me are the only people on earth who think that

>>10891505
Doesn't make us wrong, now does it Private Parts!?

>>10891514
I first read it when I was like 12 and missed every single joke in the book lol

>>10891519
Go reread it then

>>10891504
That's the spin I want to go for. Well I suppose we'll see how it turns out.

>>10891417
I haven't gotten around to reading her stuff yet, but everything I've read about her and reviews for her work leads me to believe Leigh Brackett is the only female fantasy/sci-fi author worth reading.

>>10891489
Do the opposite and tell grimderp to go fuck itself.

>>10891504
yeah I think the trope is called Good is not Nice, and i'ts pretty understandable like if someone has to do questionable stuff to ensure the safety of the people

I thought the previous book was better, but this is still a solid enough entry in the series.

Is Left Hand of Darkness actually good? Just picked it up and Le Guin's rambling introduction is cringy.

I'm going to give my protagonist is /fit/ amazonian love interest and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>10891667
>/fit/ amazonian love interest
sounds good to me

>>10891667
Jokes on you friend that is my fetish.

>>10891456
Comfy, but kinda slow paced

>>10891592
Anon, I require of you contrition, for Cherryh exists.

>>10891215
don`t read it, heroin is easier to quit

>>10891169
Women should be banned from writing

>>10891658
Reading introductions is rarely a good idea. It's a good book, especially for the time it's written, and that's why it won every prize going. I still preferred The Lathe Of Heaven which is a slimmer volume of more straightforward new wave SF, but that's my taste.

>>10891992
Generally introductions are either "author thanks their family/friends/editor/whoever" or "Famous Author tells you why the book is important", the former can be skipped and the latter is only for people who don't read SFF fiction but heard about this one book that's actually good.

>>10891667
Why would I want to do anything about it?

>>10891086
Do you mean Urban Fantasy like "Harry Dresden, Wizard Detective" or like "Ankh-Morpork is a big city in a fantasy world"?

>>10891379
Robin Hobb is one of my favorite authors.

>>10890451
>t. incel

>>10891379
In general no, but specifically with SFF, yes. Women seem to churn out a lot of cheap schlock in the genre. All that urban fantasy garbage and SciFi that deals with really ephemeral modern bullshit issues.

>>10891640
Good god there's another out already. That guy can really crank.

>>10891072
The first half was great but after he finds the girl it becomes such a slog to read through and I had to really force myself to finish. I didn't even mind the prose that much and I could just about handle the constant description of stopping for water but when he starts adding in the kisses my sanity reached its limit. It's a shame because he has fascinating ideas.

>>10892687
Women's place are walking onaholes.
This is what sff has taught me over the decades.

>>10891640
>#1 bestselling sf author
Hmm yes I see.

>>10891793
>Comfy, but kinda slow paced
tadwilliams.txt

Treasure Planet is literally just Book of the New Sun

Prove me wrong

>>10890709
If this is how you react to someone saying nigger on the internet, maybe you should go psychoanalyze yourself.

>>10890709

Quit being such a nigger.

>>10893561
>>10893591
I'm such a tough guy!!! Look we say words on the internet I would never say irl infront of certain personages.

>>10893809
Giving them the attention they so desperately beg for makes you a fool too.

>reading The Dispossessed
>all those fucking weird names
I like Ursula but fuck, just name your characters something Earth related it doesn't matter anyway

I got this from a bargain bin for 1 dollar. Is it worth reading?

What should I read next if I like
>Wolfe
>Swanwick
>Eschbach
?

>>10894027
Yes it's worth reading but if you've never read that author before be prepared that he likes to write 100 pages when 5 would do.

>>10894050
Wolfe

>>10894157
There isn't any of him left to read, I'm afraid.

>>10894187
Vance.

>>10894270
oh, I've read all the good Vance as well, or at least enough that I don't have much appetite for him at the moment

>>10894272
Non-Dune Herbert. White Plague, Dossadi Experiment, Hellstrom's Hive

>>10894288
Interesting suggestions! The Dosadi Experiment has been on my radar for a while.

>>10893809
You sound pretty rustled.

Why is ubik so good homos?

>>10894050
Blindsight

What should I read after finishing the foundation trilogy ? really liking these books.

>>10894914
Read something completely different. Widen your worldview.

>>10894901
Because it's scary and relatable, also funny at times

>the coin door

>>10894914
Blindsight

>>10894975
Library at Mount Char

>>10895017
BLINDSIGHT

Harlan Ellison encouraged people to push the boundaries
I've read a couple of his anthologies
Medea is a cool world building / shared world exercise
Angry Candy was my favorite of the anthologies I have read
7 Against Chaos is a cool throwback to the Silver Age comics

Gentlemen, I bring you reports from the frontlines.
I have often asked about the possibility of someone someday producing a literate Big Mech story, arguing that the same has been done in the revival of Space Opera
I believe the first example has now been found
Reading Gardner Dozois Years Best SF 26th edition I read the short story Shining Armor by Dominic Green
In it a town on a poor blighted planet threatened by a mining megacorp must revive their Mk 73 Infantry Unit, aka Guardian, a massive roboting war machine and its elderly pilot must go into battle one last time
It contains elements of the 'space western' planetary romance, and parts of the story are reminiscent of High Noon or The Seven Samurai
It was pretty good

>>10895160
Oh hey. Its online:
http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/green_04_14_reprint/

>Just finished War of the Worlds
What should I read next?

>>10895364
gormenghast

>>10895364

>>10895366

>>10895364
Forever War

>>10890201
does anyone here buy new hardcovers even though they're all glued crap? Am I just hating on glue? I don't live in a very humid/dry area so should it be ok to have glue?

>>10893519
>Book of the New Sun
I never read this but I liked treasure planet, if only for the setting, despite how shallow it was. Should I give this a chance? I've read Gene Wolfe's The Knight, and I thought it got really dry so I never bothered with BotNS.

>>10895697
I don't read physical books anymore.

>sword and sci-fi genre
>poses interesting philosophical questions
>has action
>has sex
>has only two genders

Anybody else read the gor series?

>>10895766
someone post gor-pasta.

>>10890201
>pop by /r/fantasy
>post a screenshot of what you find

>>10895875
thats like asking people to intentionally put hot firepokers in their eyes. why would you do that anon?

>>10895875
>I loved the lore!
>Sounds like you're ready for Brandon Sanderson.
It's hard to shitpost when reality does it so much better.

>>10895898
I can imagine him now. Slightly overweight wearing a tweed coat in the hopes it will make him seem intellectual. He leans forward, gives you a smirk as though he is letting you in on a raunchy secret and says "Sounds like you're ready for Brandon Sanderson".

>tfw Senlin Ascends is actually good
What a fun little read. Are the other books as enjoyable?

>>10895912
Is this the new Too Like the Lightning? Sounds like I would hate it, but the good reviews are piling up to such an extent I want to try it.

>>10890201
Manchildren

>>10895974
Nah. For me it feels very exploratory. It's got an almost Wonderland vibe to it. I really like the simplistic narrative structure: ascend the tower and encounter a new, weird society isolated to that particular floor.

>>10895364
I have a few of those SF Masterworks books. Among their 60s-70s new wave titles, Silverberg's Downward To The Earth, Vance's Emphyrio, and Wolfe's The Fifth Head Of Cerberus are the better. In turn: a story of a man's spiritual redemption among sentient elephants, the coming-of-age story of a craftsman's son on a sweatshop planet, and a volume of three interlinked novellas about memory and humanity on twin planets with shapeshifting aliens.

>>10896096
>>10895364
I really hate these new SF Masterworks covers
Why is everything viewed through a fucking green softdrink bottle?
The new Fantasy Masterworks are nice

>>10895721
He's just meming because both of them have literal space"ships"

>>10896104
Oh I know. They used to be in a black scheme but many of those had bad late 90s computer art (pic related for bad Gene Wolfe cover). Many of the newer editions are merely these arts with a yellow/green filter. Some title use newer art with a filter and look great, some don't. The yellow colour scheme is supposed to be a throwback to the old Gollancz paperbacks. I have a few fantasy masterworks too. They changed to a minimalist style that works well, but I liked their older editions too which often had classic paintings.

>>10890201
Not sure if this is the board/thread I would post this, but I had this intrusive thought while trying to fall asleep last night about an eldritch being that was born when the universe was young;
it consumes and consumes for its endless lifespan, eventually growing in size to that of planets, stars, galaxies, nebulas, consuming everything in the universe. But it's not satisfied. It consumes all of the galaxies in the universe, until it surpasses the size of the universe itself and eats it from the inside-out. Free from it's boundaries, it moves on to consume other universes in the infinite multiverse with one effortless gulp, forever growing for all eternity.

Is there a being in fiction already similar to this?

>>10895875
That place is a fucking cesspool. I visited it once and the entire front page was filled with shit like "why you HAVE TO read more female/gay/minority authors or you're a bigot". Fuck off with that dumb shit.

>>10890248
It was so bad. I'm done with this hack.

>>10896125
that was the only one with cg

>>10896201
they must have reissued 5th head

>>10896225

>>10890248
I'm surprised you even got that far. I dropped it halfway through the second book.

>>10896179
>>10896348
I consider this a ringing endorsement. 90% of the books /sffg/ hates end up being really fun and enjoyable reads.

>>10896373
Keep telling yourself that

>>10896396
I will, thank you. It's served pretty well so far.
>Patrick Rothfuss
>Ursula K Le Guin
>Mark Lawrence
>Steven Erikson
All authors I saw regularly called shit, all authors I really enjoyed after trying them. I first got the idea when I saw people calling GRRM's books shit here, despite really liking them myself. So I've just been assuming that the opposite of whatever /sffg/ says is true, avoiding the books that get praise and reading the ones people say are bad. It's worked very well.

>>10890709

The irony is most people I know who hate blacks talk about being bullied by them in school, and how they would always get away with it by vouching for each other and saying "it's cause I'm black!!"

>>10890709
Who hurt you?
Were you enslaved by a European American?
Did the slave master take your sister's virginity before you could?
Did your dad admit he'd rather be a sissy maid in the master's house and left you to work the fields?
Did the slave master ban you from learning to read on the plantation?

What is all this pent up frustration and Freudian wan, that makes you mindlessly lash out in a fantasy and sc-fi thread about the skin color of someone else.

>>10896420
Le Guin is good, only incels hate her, Erikson is fine

Rothfuss and Lawrence really are shit though and it's not a meme

reminder that Dan Simmons is the greatest living science fiction writer

>>10896521
>who is Peter Watts
Is Simmons still alive? What's he doing nowadays, still writing?

>Wolfe, Gene
A writer of books for boys. Certainly better than Martin. Has at least a voice of his own. Nothing I would care to have written myself. In mentality and emotion, hopelessly juvenile. Loathe his works about soldiers, sorcerers and seducers.

>>10896420
>>Patrick Rothfuss
Have you read through Wise Man's Fear yet?

I liked the name of the wind since it closes off pretty nicely, but upon rereading it, I noticed and really hated how pretentious the writing can be at times.

>>10896582
yea I only read books written for wimmen
XD

>>10896512
And yet I enjoyed reading them just as much as Le Guin and Erikson. Going to pick up some Sanderson books and give them a read. Think I will start with Stormlight since that seems to be the one people hate most (and therefore is probably the best work he has). /sffg/ is super helpful for finding new stuff to read, even if you guys don't mean to be.

>>10896590
Yes, I thought it meandered too much and he didn't cover nearly as much as he could have, but it wasn't dreadful by any means. I think Rothfuss is a great writer, but from what I've seen of him as a person his meteoric success seems to have gone to his head, unfortunately.

>>10896599
who hurt you?

>>10893124
Yeah, the part between when he finds the girl and the girl passes out near the Last Redoubt, is very hard to get through and it's only broken up by couple of mildly interesting descriptions of the terrian and a few acts of violence. It gets extremely interesting toward the end though..

>tfw the fantasy novel you want to write and the fantasy novel you can write are two very different things

>>10896644
yeah one is a novel and the other is nothing

>>10896644
you can do it

it might take you a dozen rewrites, but if you care enough and invest enough work you can get it up to the standard you want

>>10896521
>only good book is Hyperion
>Fall of Hyperion is a convoluted mishmash of pretentious bullshit
>Endymion and Rise of Endymion are unreadably bad
?

>>10895909
>I can imagine him now. Slightly overweight wearing a tweed coat in the hopes it will make him seem intellectual. He leans forward, gives you a smirk as though he is letting you in on a raunchy secret and says "Sounds like you're ready for Dr. Peterson!".

>>10896717
read his books outside of the hyperion series

Aside from ASOIAF, what should I read for fantasy with a decent amount of political intrigue?

>>10890814
>However, it's written in the worst possible prose ever and the majority of the book is a classic knight on a quest story line and it's tedious.

>>10890814
Cool. I need to read this, if only as fuel for my own writing.

>>10896746
They're even worse.

>>10896746
Lmao I'm not gonna give him another chance after the travesty that was Fall of Hyperion

He has proved himself as a subpar writer in my eyes

>>10896874
I will stab you with a rusty knife

What are some good smutty books? I've read Wild Wastes, which has shitty formatting, and Good Intentions, which is all-around awful.

>>10897300
You could try the dinosaur one somebody posted a few threads ago. I think it was called Tamer.

>>10897317
Based on the writing quality of his other stuff, I would suggest not bothering with it.

>>10896620
The end was very satisfying I admit.

>>10896874
I actually enjoyed Ilium and Olympos, but i did read them about 10 years ago

>>10897317
>>10897327
Yeah, I just read the reviews.

"Unfortunately, the authors feel the need to remind us, every three sentences, that the females are attractive, our (celibate) hero finds them attractive, our hero thinks of them possessively, and that we have to be told that the females are smart assets of survival. Tons of tell AND show.
Combine that with a setting that seemed lifted from a mediocre MMO survival video game, and I was unimpressed."

"For all the fetishes he plays with, the book is remarkably free of actual sex. He's absurdly focused on showing just how good a guy he is, and just how much he respects the other group members (while constantly staring at bits of them and generally being brainless around them). The end result is like the set up for porn but without it ever actually getting there. So, if you watch porn for the story, you might like this."

>>10897352
>reading reviews about books

>>10897363
Yup, and I even wrote one.

>>10897385
absolutely disgusting

>>10890709
You acknowledge hatred of Africans stems from their violent behavior and r-selction mating strategy. Basically you are one step away from being nat-soc and you dont realize it yet.

I meant it's really ironic you're trying to be condescending but yes, those are exactly the sort of reasons you should hate blacks. Haha man that really chuckles me up.

>>10891169
>authors name looks familiar
>look it up
>she's the fucking english voice actress for ryoko in tenchi muyo
Holy shit, I haven't thought of Tenchi in years. I had a bunch of Tenchi VHS tapes growing up. I kinda want to rematch it now.

where do I start with cherryh? looking for something boner inducing

>>10897352
>He's absurdly focused on showing just how good a guy he is, and just how much he respects the other group members (while constantly staring at bits of them and generally being brainless around them)

wow truly litrpg is the heir to pulp, evocative of the greatest pulp stories such as "Conan and the mystery of why girls don't like nice guys"

>>10897300
This one has the best story I've seen in any smut so far, it's pretty good. There's also the Warlock Trilogy, which has THE WORST prose I've ever seen (he exchanges you're and your pretty liberally, among other things), and is urban fantasy (eww), but has some nice girls and despite all of this, I still find it better than Good Intentions. Another is Valens Legacy, that is also urban fantasy and it's pretty mediocre throughout. Which means it's not horrible, just very very average, at best. Which is surprising, seeing as the other book by the same author (different pen name) Portals of Infinity is such trash.

The one with the dinosaurs honestly isn't THAT BAD, just the first half of it is. Man, that first half sucked! He keeps reminding us just how good looking every female that is in the book is, and he does it over and over again. The first 20 pages were all about him describing every single of the 20 women that was at a pool party. Then the rest of the first half was him ogling at other women and making a fool of himself. The second half gets better (I think one of the authors left, and the book improved because of it), but it really only gets good at the second book.

Then, if you're willing to lower your standards even further (I am not, tbqhwy), there're a bunch of litrpgs around.

>>10896615
hurt what?

>>10897300
So you like the mind rapey litrpg that's all sex and no story but hate the well written one. Gotcha

>>10898033
>good intentions
>well written
Nice joke. Good Intentions is shit.

>>10898061
It's better written than Wild Wastes that's for sure.

>>10895174
Will read, thanks.

>>10897560
I don't understand. Do you mean sexually arousing or something else?

>>10897998
post link to book 2/3 download for that heartgem homestead
Can't find em anywhere

>>10898195
I dunno, I read through kindle unlimited.

>>10898155
yeah a good mix of scifi & smut

Any non-european fairy tales worth reading besides The Orphan's Tales and The Golem And The Jinni?

I loved both of those now I need something new

>>10895875
I can’t believe this is real

>>10898399
I know right? People enjoying fantasy books. Sickening.

>>10898414
You can go back now.

>>10895160
>>10895174
Mediocre.

>>10898077
Wild wastes has better written smut and thats literally the only thing that matters.

Think I might reread Road Side Picnic after Brave New World.

What are some dystopian/post apocalyptic scifi books? Something set on another planet but very lonely.

>>10895766
I haven’t but when I was young my Stepdad’s friend who was in the army told me about how it was like the best thing he’d ever read in high school and how he beat his meat to the “Warrior Witch of Hel” because it had all kinds of passages about her “muscular buttocks” flexing while she cut off warlockes’ heads and stuff.

He was a cool guy.

>>10897300
Whatever the cyoa ones are called by Amanda clover

>>10898256
Yeah, um. You're not really gonna find anything by Cherryh like that.
Hestia might excite you somewhat, but Cherryh doesn't do a whole lot of salacious detail in any of her writings.

Fuck whoever recommended Red Rising. Made me read some YA piece of shit.

>>10895521
I like this

>>10898997
did you like the gri tho

>>10895364
Roadside Picnic

So apparently Amazon is interested in adapting The Three Body Problem trilogy as a series. What would you hope/would like to see the most? What do you think they'll inevitably fuck up?

This is gonna be a shot in the dark but I've spent the last decade trying to remember this scifi series I read in middle school.

Future war kinda stuff, I believe it was only human, no ayyylmaos.
Really my strongest memories of the books are of the technology. Most of the rifles and pistols, and even some larger machine guns actually shot bits of wire. They would load a spool of some metal wire into their guns which would be snipped and accelerated.
Later on perfected flechete riffles were introduced.

They also had personal short use antigrav units instead of jetpacks or parachutes. Their fighter "jets" were entirely gravity control based units.

I know this isn't much to go on.

>>10891793
>and that's a good thing!

>>10896874
u wot m8?
Ilium>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hyperion

>>10899072
Just hope they can capture the weirdness, and I hope they don't bumble just how terrifying that Sophon anime bitch is

>>10899072
They don't have a good track record of producing tv shows.

>>10898636
no its not
you're mediocre
you stupid stupidhead!

>>10890814
Concept and setting are really cool but it drags on for fucking ever when he walks through the lands and just describes his daily routine again and again. I couldn't finish this book no matter how compelling the setting was.
>>10896788
He is right.

The Judging Eye

>>10898382
Siberian mythology is pretty interesting, as is Babylonian. The epic of Gilgamesh.

Also read journey to the West from the chinks. It influenced their storytelling more than anything and today every second story or movie the chinks write is an adaption or retelling of the monkeying sagas.

>oh new imperial radch
>e, eir, ey
why you gotta do this shit? why can't you write normal scifi without injecting your stupid pronoun shit everywhere

>>10900081
What did you expect from a woman author?

>>10899109
star wars

>>10896781
Probably The Engineer Trilogy by KJ Parker, or maybe something by Guy Gavriel Kay? Honestly there's not a lot in fantasy. If you haven't seen it the Rome TV series is excellent for political intrigue.

>>10900141
Thank you. I'll check out Parker, Kay, and the show Rome.

I'm told historical fiction in general is good for this kind of thing, right? I believe it's where Martin got a lot of his inspiration.

>>10896156
Galactus and other "planet eaters" from the Marvel universe.

>>10896781
Baru
and
this >>10891793

>>10900175
Thanks! Both now on my list.

>>10896600
>>10896420
>>10896373
Do the contrary of this chart then.

>>10900186
That's a troll chart anyway, though, and half of /sffg/ loves many of those books.

I've read and enjoyed these.

>>10899700
is Зыкoв ok ?

>>10900203
No, it's fanfic-tier.

>>10896781
The long price quartet

>>10900209
can you recommend another Russian book ?

>>10897415
>a black nat soc
don't see that happening

>>10900223
Anything by these dudes: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%80%D0%B8_%D0%9B%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD_%D0%9E%D0%BB%D0%B4%D0%B8

>>10898690
>Something set on another planet but very lonely.
Hull zero three

>>10900246
thanks

>>10900194
>if I enjoyed something that means you are a troll
Go neck yourself

>>10900261
Not an argument

>>10900261
Most of /sffg/ likes it. One person made a list of books "to avoid" either as a troll or because that person assumes his or her opinions will actually help the majority of people who see the image.

So troll or idiot. Take your pick.

>>10900081
>brainlet reads a scifi novel

>>10900194
Myke Cole is a legitimate addition though, his stuff is sooo bad.

>>10900081
First of all, "pronoun shit" is basically that series' entire gimmick. If you don't like it, stop reading it.

Second, gender studies crap is all the rage right now. I'm not saying you only have to read dinosaurs, but if you read new releases, you're going to get a hefty dose of the latest fad if you don't apply other filters.

>>10900279
Does this look like the fucking debate club?
If you want an argument or debate go find some friends. I'm not your friend and don't have time to waste trading barbs with you.
Seppuku

>>10900581
"It's popular, so deal with it" is not an argument. It should be expected to not deal with delusions on literature.

>>10900581
Nope. A lot of new books don't have pronouns shit.
>tight pussy part 2 soon

>>10900581
nah clearly the SJWs are breaking into their houses and forcing them to read the book at gunpoint.

>>10900633
>reads translation of Japanese text from the 1500s where the narrator refers to themselves as "watashi"
>TRIGGERED

>>10900633
Well, I didn't make that argument. You, however, appear incapable of drawing the is/ought station.

>If you read trendy books, you might encounter trendy but dumb ideas
>but it SHOULDN'T be that way!

>>10899109
reminds me of Salt

Why is this so loved , when it's borderline self insert smut without the sex scenes.
The fist book I dorped, allmost at the end.

>>10900993
cause heinlein is revered and obviously cant do wrong. criticism doesnt apply to him.

How's the Galaxy's Edge series? I keep hearing good things, but I wanted /sffg/'s opinion.

Back! And I did not even miss a thread. If you want to read and have not started yet it's about time, the book is really good.

Downloads: http://b-ok.org/s/?q=Childhood%27s+End

>>10900993
Beats me. I'm generally a fan of Heinleins books but TEFL is really bad, mostly because it's way to long. The end, after he travel in time, is the best part.

>>10901215
i got to part 2 and i can confirm. im actually on top of this reading this time.

>>10901215
Ayye I love this. Might read it again.

Do you usually read multiple books concurrently, or just one at a time?

>>10901166
It's edgy. Stay away.

>>10901854
I usually read one main book and a short story collection at the side.

>>10901166
>The Galaxy is a dumpster fire...
it takes two people to write this shit?

>>10902115
To be fair you need to have a VERY high IQ to understand kindle unlimited writing like:
>“KTF. Why do you leejes always say that?” The question comes from the sled’s turret gunner. Regular Republic Army, black and tan fatigues and a one-size-fits-all woven synth-steel helmet, polarized goggles pulled up on the top. We call these types “basics.” We made his Repub-Army butt take seat six the moment we entered the sled.

>Twenties, LS-81 to Leej Command, took over on the twins. Combat sleds are quick and agile, and that doesn’t allow for heavy firepower. Their only defense is a twin medium-heavy blaster turret manned just aft of the cockpit, capable of a 360-degree field of fire. If a gunner is skinny enough, the twins can be pulled back to shoot straight into the air, too.

Anybody have a decent short story collection they can recommend? One author or multiple, I don’t care.

what should i read between botns & urth?

>>10902264
Having read BotNS I can only recommend the other masterpiece set an undisclosed amount of time after a mysterious collapse of society where technology has regressed and where the past is a room people forgot the keys to, leaving the protagonist to make his way in a rigid, stagnant, slightly oppressive society that is a shadow of what came before:
Shades of Grey - Jasper Fforde.

>>10890248
I just wanted less shallan. why did that book have so much fucking shallan? fuck shallan.

>>10901906
this, or just a shorter book. something that isnt a 1000 page tome.

>>10899718
probably a stupid question, but are there any modern retellings (modern as in the writing style. for some reason style-accurate translations don't sit right by me) of these stories or other ones from non euro/russian mythology that don't suck ass

suggest something to me that's not epic fantasy

>>10902517
I read that already & I'm butthurt he hasn't put outa sequel yet

>>10902682
Library at mount char

>>10902911
I just finished it

>>10900223
Nik Perumov is pretty great

>>10890503
and also features one of the most hateable female characters ever...

holy fuck did I hate her

hoooooly fuck

she had one
fucking
job

>>10891842
she does exist indeed
but is a mixed bag at best
most of her standalone fantasy stuff is great
her company wars stuff is great
the subsequent novels "on the other side" of the conflict are shit
most of her serialised chanur novels and stuff is furry shit

and for some of her stuff you need to enjoy making a vocabulary list - and even then being withheld the simple information of "what does that title and job even mean?!" (as in cuckoos egg for example)

still, mostly, I recommend reading some of her stuff, but drop it like its hot if you cant get into it.

>>10900081
Yep. It's a shame because overall I really liked the first trilogy, but she went overboard this time and it was pretty boring too.
The whole gender ambiguity was a stupid gimmick to begin with as it would fall apart instantly in a visual medium because you know, sexual dimorphism. Getting tired of being told to pretend it doesn't exist

>>10897345
I literally rolled around on the floor laughing at the scene in jerusalem, when the speakers start blaring "kill the jew" and it turns out that those service robots working for humanity are actually muslim killer robots

>>10900993
It's not loved, it has a few good sections but overall it's long and tedious.

>>10891417
Misogyny is cool. You need a cock to write or appreciate quality lit. You are that cock, anon. Be the cock. Tkae it into your mouth.

>>10891955
I agree. Women do not belong here. It's just us dudes. Say, do you mind if I slip out of these jeans... it's kind of hot in here? Thanks. Wow. I feel so comfortable around you. It's cool just to hang out with guys. No pressure. Nothing weird. I'm just going to let this air out a little. Mmmm. You can do the same if you want. Do you ever taste your own cum, anon? Like maybe just when it starts to leak out at first when you get hard. Women will steal that.. glad it's just us guys here.

>>10902978
Haha yeah the women can't wrte.

Did you say mixed big?

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>>10903140
>>10903126

>>10890451
Mods = smashing gents, if I say so myself!

>>10902978
>and for some of her stuff you need to enjoy making a vocabulary list - and even then being withheld the simple information of "what does that title and job even mean?!" (as in cuckoos egg for example)
She usually provides one in the back if you really need it. Honestly the stuff I had the most trouble with was the Ealdwood stories. Alien languages, fine, but the bloody Celts?
>most of her serialised chanur novels and stuff is furry shit
Jealously rears its ugly head :3

>>10899072

>>10900081
The great thing about SJW sci-fi and fantasy is it's going to be HORRIBLY dated within a short amount of relative time and no one will want to read it later on.

>>10901166
It's good and they churn out a new book every few months it seems. Basically it's Star Wars, but the Storm Troopers are the good guys (that's how it starts out at least).

>>10902682
The Jerusalem Man trilogy.

>>10903292
>sci-fi

Maybe. Sometimes when I go to my local library and marvel at all the old 60s-80s scifi books that haven't been checked out in years because they aren't by famous authors. The three main plot topics are generally driven by the then-trendy fears of nuclear war, overpopulation, and climate change. I've seen a couple that referenced the Soviet Union but were published right after it collapsed.

>fantasy

On the other hand it's mostly impossible for fantasy to become dated because it's worst feature, it's lack of originality, is it's saving grace. The Epic of Gilgamesh hits a lot of the same plot points as the modern grimdarks, just with more of a nihilistic edge to it.

I want revenge stories. Give me revenge stories.

Like Counte of Monte Cristo but more fantasyish

>>10903504
>On the other hand it's mostly impossible for fantasy to become dated because it's worst feature, it's lack of originality, is it's saving grace.
The really memorable fantasy series have a timeless feel to them. All fantasy tries to capture that feeling, but not all of them do it equally. The fact is fantasy also has fads and gimmicks that go in and out of style, and a lot of fantasy authors just try to make a quick buck cashing in on a fad, their works don't really tap into the timelessness and so they end up being forgotten. The authors who carve out a permanent legacy for themselves are the ones who strongly capture the timeless feeling. The diversity brigade as far as I have seen has few offerings that do this. They will join the ranks of the forgotten.

>>10903556
Mark Lawrence's Broken Empire, if you don't mind the protagonist being an edgy teenager.

>>10900186
I've already read a lot of those.

>>10903556
Library at mount char

>>10903690
Read the trash and shit books on this chart then.

Thanks to the anon that recommended into the abyss. I'm reading heavenly host and I want to know if the saint fucks. Pious women lusting for dick is one of my fetishes.

>>10903688
Are you the mother fucker that rec'd that piece of fucking garbage to me too? Fuck you you bastard, I'm still pissed I read that dumpster fire

>>10903556
Red Rising in particular is about a slave getting revenge, sort of SF Count of Montecristo meets Hunger Games.
If the tagline "Ender, Katniss and now Darrow" doesn't steer you well away from this YA piece of shit, you may want to check it out. I finished the first book and the plot synopsis for the sequels are laughably retarded.
>>10903717 is bad, but at least it's weird and doesn't take itself as seriously as this dumb (>>10903688) and pretentious piece of grimdark shit.

The Traitor Baru Cormorant is on my read list but I don't know how much it revolves around revenge, but it will be probably YA tier trash as well.

>>10903887
> but it will be probably YA tier trash as well.
It's not tho.

>>10903292
sci-fi from the 60's was written by the SJW's of their time too

Why are Harlan's estate so stingy about releasing a good collection of his short stories?

>>10904252
Because you'll never leave Harlan alive.

>>10903887
>broken empire
>LMAO let's take Blood Meridian
>bits of BotNS
>the absolute worst aspects of late Gurm
>write it for teen Nine Inch Nails fans
>add 40K gigagrimdark edge(without the wit of its predecessors)
>and let's make the protagonist edgy Muad'dib only he's a 14 year old twink bullying grown men twice his size
>you can also set off a nuke by dowsing it in pig fat and lighting it btw
>mfw

>>10904146
that's actually a very interesting point, mad

>>10904146
And people say there is no slippery slope.

>>10904146
>unironically saying SJW

>>10904421
>t. SJW

>>10904146
And it's horribly dated, but the SJWs of the 60s weren't nearly as retardedly insane as modern SJWs so their shit is going to be especially dated.

>>10900170
Yes it probably is, since they don't have magic and shit to fall back on. I've heard good things about Dorothy Dunnett's work.

>>10904490
suuure buddy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They%27d_Rather_Be_Right

>>10903688
only read the first book and it's legitimately one of the worst books i've ever read

>>10902202
The "Science Fiction Hall of Fame" published by the SFWA is actually good.

I'd also recommend The Rediscovery of Man by Cordwainer Smith, and any of Wolfe's anthologies.

>>10904252
They're simply carrying out the wishes of the decedent, surely.


Who does his "estate" even consist of? He was childless, unmarried, and as far as I can tell didn't have any close friends.

>>10904965
Didn't you like the part where he fights a necromancer with bows and arrows and wins? Or the part where Burly Thug #27 is wounded and he kills him because he's so edgy? Lmao what a pleb

Leo Carew - The Wolf

>>10905150

>>10905183

>>10902202
Thune's Vision

>>10905200

>>10905183
>>10905200
>>10905237
Squat bro. I don't read slav.

>>10905262
That's just some covers we have here in Russia.

>>10905262

>>10903556
Bester's editor told him to just take a classic and transpose it into a sci-fi story. Bester used 'The Count...' as source. Pic related is exactly what you are looking for. Enjoy!

>>10905321
>rothfuss
RRREEEEE
WHY WOULD THEY TRANSLATE HIM INTO SLAV AND GIVE HIM SUCH A GOOD COVER?

>>10906116
>why would the translate a popular book
Gee, I wonder.

I'm reading LoTR for the first time. I'm on the third book and it's pretty hard to follow. Is this normal or am I a brainlet?

>>10903278
You owe me a new pair of sides. Cheng Xin was always a cunt and I'm glad Tianming ended up with Ai AA

>>10906202
Brainlet or underage.

>>10906202
Those books are shit. I don't know why people still recommend that trash.

>>10906402
Probably as a last gasp attempt to educate the uncultured swine currently being churned from the globalist edu-mills.

>>10905377
That's such a damn good book.
Seconding the recommendation.

>>10906202
Dude, you're a brainlet. I read LotR when I was eleven and understood it completely.

>>10906541
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>>10906288
And you lot are fucking dinosaurs.

>>10906741
Oink for me piggu

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