/lit/ - Literature

>>10885773
The Lord gave me the father I do have for a reason, anon

Written legacy of my father is receipt for ammo he bought to shoot himself. I use it as a bookmark nowadays.

>>10885854
This, but reluctantly.

>>10885773
That's so sweet.

>>10885866
lit

>>10885773
>dad... why didn't the eagles just fly the ring to mordor?
>damn the boy

>>10885910
Because 1) flying the ring to Mordor would have done nothing but save time. Expediency didn't matter. It wasn't an issue until Aragorn goaded Sauron into launching his attack on Minas Tirith ahead of schedule. Frodo had the ring for decades until Gandalf uncovered its origin. The Fellowship took a month's vacation in Lothlorien halfway through their journey. It had been about 3,000 years since the wizards arrived in Middle-earth to deal with Sauron to begin with.

2) The ring couldn't simply be dropped into the caldera of Mt. Doom. There's a reason why Frodo didn't just drop it into the first lava flow he came across. The ring couldn't be destroyed outside of the forge. It could only be unmade where it was made. Why? Because magic. But that's how it worked.

3) Sauron had a strong military presence in the Plateau of Gorgoroth. He had an entire army stationed around Mt. Doom. Sauron himself was sitting at the top of a tower. I hardly believe that either Sauron or his tens of thousands of soldier would fail to see a giant eagle, or that an eagle could make it unimpeded to subterranean forge.

4) The only chance the fellowship had of success rested on the fact that Sauron didn't believe that his enemies would attempt to destroy his ring. He believed that no one could overcome the ring's corruption (and was completely correct in thinking so, too). Aragorn tricked Sauron into believing that he had the ring. If he knew that the ring was approaching Mordor, or was not with Aragorn, he could have surmised what Gandalf was planning. A suicidal air raid on his HQ would have been a fairly obvious tipoff that something was going on.

5) The eagles themselves would have been susceptible to the ring's influence, along with whomever the eagle was carrying.

>>10885910
>dad... could I take your story to be an allegory for WWII?
>damn the boy

>>10885916
>all that text when the simplest answer is Gandalf doesn't control the eagles and they bow to no one

>>10885924
The eagles are obligated to help Gandalf out though because he saved their king's life and is an emissary of the sky god who holds giant birds as especially sacred.

>tumblr
4chan is kill

>>10885942
>muh ebin tumblr rivalry
kys 2014 /v/edditor

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>>10885917
>wwii
>not wwi since all the important parts of the book were written long before wwii

try hard allegory fags cant even get their shitposts right

>>10885945
>/v/edditor on my /lit/
4chan is kill

>>10885910
>>10885917
kek

>>10885916
6) Damn the boy.

>>10885917
>dad... Frodo and Sam's relationship is sublimated homosexuality, right?
>damn the boy

>>10885942
This

>I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.

>>10885975
he actually devotes 2 or 3 entire pages patiently explaining why its not allegory and continuing by explaining how he WOULD have writen it if it was an allegory for wwii or whatever along with pointing out the most important chapters had already been writen and unchanged for decades

>>10885917
>dad... why does you story read suspiciously like Der Ring des Nibelungen?
>because both me and wagner read the eddas, nibelungenlied, völusunga saga... we're basing our works on the same sources, and these are all tales that influenced one another
>but dad... do these sagas feature a ring that makes one master of the world?
>damn the boy

My Dear Lucy,
I wrote this story for you, but when I began it I had not realized that girls grow quicker than books. As a result you are already too old for fairy tales, and by the time it is printed and bound you will be older still. But some day you will be old enough to start reading fairy tales again. You can then take it down from some upper shelf, dust it, and tell me what you think of it. I shall probably be too deaf to hear, and too old to understand a word you say but I shall still be your affectionate Godfather,

C. S. Lewis

Now I know Christopher Tolkien was the perfect man for the job of writing his dad's posthumous work.

>"The treatment of colour nearly always horrifies anyone going out from Britain, & not only in South Africa. Unfort[unately], not many retain that generous sentiment for long." ― Letter 61 — Written to Christopher Tolkien who was stationed in South Africa during World War II

>"I have the hatred of apartheid in my bones; and most of all I detest the segregation or separation of Language and Literature. I do not care which of them you think White." ― From a Valedictory Address to the University of Oxford in 1959

>"I must say that the enclosed letter from Rutten & Loening is a bit stiff. Do I suffer this impertinence because of the possession of a German name, or do their lunatic laws require a certificate of arisch origin from all persons of all countries? ... Personally I should be inclined to refuse to give any Bestätigung (although it happens that I can), and let a German translation go hang. In any case I should object strongly to any such declaration appearing in print. I do not regard the (probable) absence of all Jewish blood as necessarily honourable; and I have many Jewish friends, and should regret giving any colour to the notion that I subscribed to the wholly pernicious and unscientific race-doctrine." ― Letter 29 — in response to Tolkien's German publishers asking whether he was of Aryan origin

>"It was Sam's first view of a battle of Men against Men, and he did not like it much. He was glad that he could not see the dead face. He wondered what the man's name was and where he came from; and if he was really evil at heart, or what lies or threats had led him on the long march from his home; and if he would not really rather have stayed there in peace." ― The Two Towers, "Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit"

I wish /pol/ would stop claiming Tolkien and his "allegorical" story.

>>10886019
>this butthurt autistic nigger again
holy shit

>>10886001
Or editoring his whole opus since The Hobbit, really. Thus The Hobbit turned out to be a children's story that was tested on the field.

>>10886019
lotr is reactionary, not fascist or modern IQ nihilists like /pol/

>>10885773
Such an obvious attempt to cook up a fake story to make himself sound smart and take credit for his fathers work. Dude lmao damn the boy

>>10886039
>make himself sound smart

He's a tenured professor at the world's best college, the same as his dad, he doesn't have to "try" to be smart he has the fucking qualifications for it.

>>10886057
to be fair this is only impressive because hes a white male and so had to make it on merit

>>10886039
>kid nitpicking about irrelevant detail
>make himself sound smart
wat

>>10885866
reddit writing prompt?

>>10886077
brainlets think paying attention to things and being annoying are traits only intellectuals have

>>10885992
;_;

Tolkien hated Narnia desu.

>>10885866
This is the most /lit/ sentence I've ever read

> Dad, why the fuck is half of your last book spent after the climax of the film? I get that we need resolution for all the characters, but did we really need some fake tension in the Shire for 15 pages ending in a retarded brutal cliffhanger where the cute little hobbits shoot a man with tiny little arrows from their tiny little bows? Wait, why did they even have the bows again? To hunt with? And why was the resolution for Sam that he "get's the girl" when she hasn't been mentioned for over a thousand pages and wasn't particularly relevant to neither the plot or the character up until that point? And why bring up Frodo's supposedly lethal Nazgul stab when that also hasn't been mentioned for a thousand pages? Didn't Elrond cure him properly but just pretend he did? Why did that suddenly become relevant?
> Damn the boy

>>10886501
>>>/tv/

faggot

>>10886501
t.someonewhohasntactuallyreadit

>>10885970
Damn the roastie

>>10885947
i think there are certain allegorical links to the First World War particularly with the harmless little hobbits finding themselves hundreds of miles from their homes in a situation much bigger than themselves
i think the problem with allegorism is when you try to make the series into something ideological. i don't think Tolkien was really trying to make any statement at all. he was just trying to have a story that made sense in a world that no longer did

>>10885866
This is going in my novel!

>>10885992

>>10885992
>Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.

>>10885866
I've seen you around /lit/ recently. Are you trying to make this a pasta or something?

>>10885917
lmao

I recommend Letters from Father Christmas. More personal love tokens to his children that quickly morph into war correspondence with Santa fighting goblin invaders.

>>10886550
the reason this is silly is because: is every piece of writing where someone winds up far from home a wwi allegory?

is moby dick retroactive wwi allegory since the sailors find themselves in a dagerous situation surrounded by a monster far from home with no hope of reinforcement?

the reason people hate allegory fags is that you see it everywhere and interpret every detail as support for the allegory you see. you are literally no better than conspiracy theorists and nothing of value is added by seeing allegory in something which is a big reason tolkien himself didn't like it, its pleb hack nonsense only jerkoffs puff up their chest for "noticing"

>>10885992
But someday you"ll be old enough to be kicked out of heaven forever, you lipstick and nylon wearing whore.

>>10886607
>tfw I never experienced the "wanting to be and adult" phase as a child.
>tfw I'm still desperately clinging to my childhood, shirking responsibilities and putting off actually "adulting" at 24.
>tfw I'm the most patrician of adults.

>>10885992
>writing a book for a women to read

awkward. thats like sewing your son a dress

>>10885947
The anon wasn’t wrong, though. In the introduction to LOTR Tolkien addresses exactly this misreading of the book. Ironies, all the way down, son.

>>10886722
what are you talking about? the original anon was implying its wwii allegory. i pointed out that its doubly silly since it was mostly writen before wwii and he should at the very least be saying that its wwi allegory

>>10885854
Is this a quote from somewhere?
I just googled it quickly with no luck.
I think it's a beautiful sentence and if it is original content I claim it under article 121c of the international right to intellectual property citing the illegitimate nature of anonymous posting as grounds for the quote being unowned by its author.

>>10886785
And I took the first anon’s post as a pisstake on the misreading of LOTR that Tolkien himself contradicted. It was intentionally wrong, I thought. Tolkien suggested that there were likely thematic connections to WWI, but also denied any conscious allegory.

>>10886803
>after people getting v& for the things they post on 4chinz

good luck with that

>>10886818
Who got v&?
Not that guy who always says "start with the Greeks"?

>>10886825
There was that guy on /b/ who said "predict your own post number and I'll tell you where her body is". And then the other guy on /b/ who posted pictures of his ex-girlfriend after he strangled her. And the other guy on /b/ who posted his homemade bomb...

>>10886825
im talking about im general in the history of the site. people get arrested all the time and are held accountable for the things they post

its not an anonymous website and zuckerberg even tried explaining that once but only made people mad. but to be fair most people dont understand what anonymous means

>>10886833
In the spirit of un-anonymity I shall name myself - I am Spartacus.

>>10886831
>>10886833
Oh thank god it wasn't the start with the Greek guy.

>>10886841
funny, so am i

Going to post a few pictures from my Tolkien folder before work. Then maybe I'll post the rest after.

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>>10886847
No, I am Spartacus!

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>>10886846

how new are you? do you think v& means banned?

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>>10886891
eowyn is too qt

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>>10885937
Within reason, they refuse him when he asks too much.

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>>10886631
Just something I came up with the other day that I thought sounds cool. Reminds me of Hemmingway or something.

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>>10886937
there goes a schlomo

>>10886885
>>10886922
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>>10886941
>But no living man am I! You look upon a woman. Éowyn I am, Éomund's daughter. You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hWjt6LGhHsI

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>>10886964
guarantee that was a white person you said that to

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>>10886655
Lucy wasn't the girl with the bow, that was the older sister. Lucy got a knife and a health potion

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>>10886891
Which book is Eowyn from?
I don't remember her from the movies, and I olny read the first book.

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>>10887012
what an utterly brainlet post. you must be a women or a redditor or both

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>>10887015
One of those accusations is true

>>10887024
i already know. you think i was just slinging around insults?

>>10887012
The Lord of the Rings is one book.

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>>10887031
false. its 6 books

>>10886685
Was that supposed to sound intelligent?

>>10887041
looks like butthurt cunt posting is back on the menu boys

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>>10887036
see
>>10886019

>>10886977

That balrog looks like it's just tired of all this shit.

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>>10887053
Time for work.

>>10887043
>being such an enraged incel that you get buttblasted at a guy writing a fantasy novel for his goddaughter
>calling me butthurt

>>10887047
excuse me? no youre right anon. im sure tolkien would love his granddaughter growing up in a place where shes going to have acid threw in her face for walking without a sheet over her head

you liberals are literal retards. you spend your free time defending criminals and the destruction of your own society for fun

do you REALLY think thats what tolkien means when he says "hey man there can be good in everybody"?

>>10887092
>pic on top
Bunch of boring and cultureless troglodytes
>pic on bottom
Hard working and honest beings and to top it all big dicks for my granddaughters to enjoy

>>10887107
niggers have smaller dicks than whites and also have the highest rates of faggotry. shes going to be a crazy cat lady at best

>>10887113
forgot my orc posting pic

>>10887059
Thanks anon.

>>10885987
WEYLAND
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>>10885866
Best thing I've read all day. Thank you for cheering me up.

>>10885970
>being so mentally messed up you can't even conceive the possibility of two men having a strong emotional bond without any sexual elements
death of the west can't come soon enough

>>10885945
>openly defies a core tenet of chan-culture
Fuck off back to Twitter, normie

>>10885937
>Valar
>gods
So this is the power of not reading the Valaquenta attentively...

>>10887113
I don't trust anyone who says niggers to have an unbiased opinion on that matter.

>>10887092
Tolkien hated racism and anti-semitism. Do you need to read those excerpts again? Here:
>"The treatment of colour nearly always horrifies anyone going out from Britain, & not only in South Africa. Unfort[unately], not many retain that generous sentiment for long." ― Letter 61 — Written to Christopher Tolkien who was stationed in South Africa during World War II

>"I have the hatred of apartheid in my bones; and most of all I detest the segregation or separation of Language and Literature. I do not care which of them you think White." ― From a Valedictory Address to the University of Oxford in 1959

>"I must say that the enclosed letter from Rutten & Loening is a bit stiff. Do I suffer this impertinence because of the possession of a German name, or do their lunatic laws require a certificate of arisch origin from all persons of all countries? ... Personally I should be inclined to refuse to give any Bestätigung (although it happens that I can), and let a German translation go hang. In any case I should object strongly to any such declaration appearing in print. I do not regard the (probable) absence of all Jewish blood as necessarily honourable; and I have many Jewish friends, and should regret giving any colour to the notion that I subscribed to the wholly pernicious and unscientific race-doctrine." ― Letter 29 — in response to Tolkien's German publishers asking whether he was of Aryan origin

>"It was Sam's first view of a battle of Men against Men, and he did not like it much. He was glad that he could not see the dead face. He wondered what the man's name was and where he came from; and if he was really evil at heart, or what lies or threats had led him on the long march from his home; and if he would not really rather have stayed there in peace." ― The Two Towers, "Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit"

>>10888545
>Tolkien hated racism
Tolkien hated two things: racism and greasy slant-eyed mongols.

>>10886651
Moby Dick wasn't written by someone who fought in WWI you turbo fucking retard

>>10885910
>why didn't the allies just kamikaze attack Hitler?

>>10888876
truly retarded and missing the point. mongrels have infested /lit/

>>10886831
and don't forget the Chanel Island Islamist from /int/

>>10887741
I don't recall his ring giving one mastery over the world though

>>10886426
imagine being such close friends with a famous author than you can tell him you think his works are shit, and still be his friend.
tolkien must have been a really nice chap.

>>10886977
>tfw you're organizing your Warhammer minis and some dudes show up and throw you off a bridge
really uncalled for

>>10888779
Hence his horror and moral outrage at the atomic bombings of Japan I guess.

>>10890082
I mean you are the one discussing genre fiction you faggot.
>muh mongrels
sad

>>10891480
LotR wasn't genre fiction when Tolkien wrote it. He made high fantasy a genre.

>>10886937
Using it as a bookmark is it a bit melodramatic, and, as another person suggested, does kinda seem like it belongs on r/writing prompts. I think you could cut it off with just the receipt being his legacy and have a fine sentence.

>>10886501
>> Dad, why the fuck is half of your last book spent after the climax of the film?
>film
This in itself is hilarious but if this fits more broadly into your most as an imitation of /tv/ film "criticism" suggested by >>10886511
then the whole post is pretty brilliant.

>>10887803
The Ainur are as much gods as they are angels.

>>10885866
If you want you can take solace from the fact that everyone eventually dies, but that your father's death allowed for a good post (which comparatively few deaths do), and also that you got dubs.

>>10885866
and someday the receipt ink will fade away, just as the pain of his death too. putting this in my YA novel

>>10887800
>core tenet of chan-culture
Reddit is the second door on the left, friend.

>>10885975
Read Shippey's Tolkien: Author of the Century.
We don't have to take Tolkien at his word about allegory.

>>10887059
>red boots
>paisley weskit
Into the trash it goes.

>>10887800
>core tenet of chan-culture

>>10893725
Stirnerposting automatically disqualifies you from being right, therefore your opponent MUST be correct.

>>10885866
kek't

>>10885992
fuck

Does anyone actually consider "eagles" to be a plothole or is ut just a meme?

>>10895692
barely functioning retards think it's a plot hole, some people meme it

>>10894531
>I claim the moon is made of cheese
>My opponent claims it is made of clay
>I am proven wrong
Is my opponent necessarily correct?

>>10885854
The Lord gave me my father, but my father took him away.

I hate my dad.

>>10885854
this
i love my parents. they're great

>>10885773
Why didn't they just take the ring west, away from Mordor?

>>10896750
Destroying the ring was the only winning condition, Sauron was posed for military victory whether he had the ring or not. It's the same reason they didn't bury the ring or throw it back in a river.

>>10896750
That would lead to the enslavement of the world, that’s all

>>10893660
Better?

>>10886676
hey man that's actually pretty unhealthy

>>10885866
lol owned

>>10886922
what's this art style called? i like it

>>10893311
You can get it back again, in reverse image, by heating the receipt with a hot air gun. But once the reverse image fades it's gone permanently.

>>10885910
When was the last time a bird gave a fuck about anything anyone did? Birds fly into war zones, birds fly into quarantined areas, birds don't care about the affairs of men.

Tolkien probably drew in this when he was watching his countrymen were being slaughtered in no man's land and birds were just there, not caring.

>>10892046
Gods to the inhabitants of Ëa, servants to Eru. They can be persuaded so they aren't truly gods.

>>10898925
greek gods could be persuaded too though

>>10885866
you're cold

>>10885866
no one should be so cold

Reminder that evocation and allegory are not the same thing. HUrrrrr Tolkiens experience in the world war CANNOT be compared to LOTR AT ALL!!!!!!!

>>10886019

if tolkien didn't rip off the allegorical anti semite wagner he wouldn't have to keep kvetching to the critics explaining how he isn't a racist

>dad...why didn't eru just intervene and destroy all evil?

Im thankul I dont have to live up to someone of that caliber

>>10886019
I never get the last quote's point as regards the fag who quoted it originally in the pasta, what did he mean by this?

>>10886039
especially when Tolkien claims he started it off by writing. I wouldn't doubt he would share some of his imagined tales with his kid though, especially since it was originally marketed toward children.

>>10885958
this desu

>>10885866
I... I don't want this to be real, but if it is, it's both hilarious and horrifying. Probably going to use it in a short story or something. Perfect sentence that fits right into some edgy crap.

>>10898925
>>10899557
Norse gods too, more relevant to Tolkien

>>10901231
Why doesn't God do that now?

No more a plothole than in the real world

>>10901667
it's anti-war

>>10902418
>punish all wrongdoing
>you no longer have any freedom of choice
>society becomes a hell made of good-minded automatons

>>10885910
Because that is straight up interference with mortal affairs
Read the books nigger

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>>10885866
keep crying bitch nigga