/lit/ - Literature

whhy is he in dark souls he's gona get eatne by the taurus demon.
is OP an embodiment of the mental decrepitude we see in modern readers?
>cares about some retard pop fiction writer

>>10869955
georg R R retard fans only like gam of thron because it normalises delinquency such as sex and silly violence wow so shockin wtf tarantino is doin star trenk thank u daddy jj abramhams??

>>10869955
>>by contrast, his work is filled with shallow critiques of religion, monarchism, and patriarchy
I don't think he intends to make a social commentary with ASOIAF.
It's just genre fiction.

>has no sense of duty to his audience at the end of the day, and will NEVER finish his work
>is going to die early because he's a slob that overeats and is obsessed with food to the point of making it a big thing in asoiaf
>is at a venerable age when he should be sharing his wisdom, instead he blogs about sports
None of these are a bad thing by the way.

>>10870035
Stop posting and get back to work, George.

>>10870040
I work when I want and when the books will be ready is none of your business you damn parasite.

>>10869955
>by contrast, his work is filled with shallow critiques of religion, monarchism, and patriarchy

I agree with all your other points, but admittedly all of this is handled much better in the books than show, which tends to be very heavy-handed in its approach.

>>10869955
>shallow critiques of monarchism
no such thing

>>10869955
>consistently deceives his fans about release dates, etc., and victimizes himself if he's attacked for being lazy
>has no sense of duty to his audience at the end of the day, and will NEVER finish his work

Literally what is bad about this? Plebs shouldn't get into long running fantasy series if they what a complete 'experience' so bad.

>>10870035
>>10870059
What a bunch of retarded comments. So people shouldn't finish what they started? It's okay to fuck people over when they give you their time (and money)?

>>10870104
>So people shouldn't finish what they started?
They should finish what they started if they want to.
> It's okay to fuck people over when they give you their time (and money)?
They're not giving it for free, they're exchanging their money for your work (book). Stop perpetuing the motion that the artist is indebted to its fans because he's not. It's an exchange, he gives them something they want and in return gets their money, the fans are the ones that should feel grateful since the goods produced by the artist are more rare than plain money.

>>10869955
Also:
>dude more wild cards bs lmao

>>10870121
>They should finish what they started if they want to.
:) Yeah, totally, right on, bro. It's, like, we should all just do whatever want, man.
>They're not giving it for free, they're exchanging their money for your work (book).
Under the impression that you intend to finalize your story. It's more of an investment than a one-time purchase.
>perpetuing
Nice new word. But anyway,
>Stop perpetuating the motion that the artist is indebted to its fans because he's not.
They are, and those that fuck with their fans risk to lose everything, as has been shown time and time again. But this isn't necessarily to do with fandom. Phrasing it that way is better suited for, say, a fantasy author that wants to switch over to sci-fi only to get a backlash, or a band that changes its style. It's in no way similar to customers expecting you to fulfill your end of the deal and finish what you started.
>It's an exchange, he gives them something they want and in return gets their money
It is an exchange, but again, not a one-time purchase, and it's dishonest if you don't mention up-front that you don't plan to finish it (in which case the majority of people wouldn't purchase it). And it's not even about the money. It's not that different if you'd simply be releasing the stuff for free - the time investment is way more significant than a few euro.
>the goods produced by the artist
Stop overusing that word with retarded reverence. Writers like GRRM aren't the fucking image of an artist, he's more akin to a laborer or a craftsman.

>>10870179
>Under the impression that you intend to finalize your story. It's more of an investment than a one-time purchase.
That's just the assumption you're forced to make to justify your retarded attack. People buy books because they want to read them, if whether there's going to be a sequel was such a big desire they'd wait for the saga to be over before investing on it. If they buy the books anyway, then they're retards that don't know how to spend their money.

Your point is that "the artist is indebted to the fans because he has to pander to them, otherwise he risks losing his source of income". You're describing an "artist" that produces art not out of artistic desire, but to get money out of it, an absolute phony, and your examples evidence this.
>a band that changes its style
This, in particular. So according to you a band shouldn't change their style because they might anger their fanbase. A band should perpetually be held hostage by its fandom and stifle their artistic freedom, otherwise they'd break some kind of contract.
>It is an exchange, but again, not a one-time purchase, and it's dishonest if you don't mention up-front that you don't plan to finish it (in which case the majority of people wouldn't purchase it). And it's not even about the money. It's not that different if you'd simply be releasing the stuff for free - the time investment is way more significant than a few euro.
All assumptions. The time wasted by the reader is time they choose to waste freely, why should GRRM care? And GRRM never said he doesn't plan to finish it, he's contractually obligated to do so (not to their fans, but to its editorial house). He just doesn't have to do so out of some kind of debt to its consumers.
>Writers like GRRM aren't the fucking image of an artist, he's more akin to a laborer or a craftsman.
What an absolutely puerile attack.
>h-hes not an artist because I don't like him

>>10870228
>That's just the assumption you're forced to make
How is that an assumption, lol? The majority of written series are all taken to completion, and most publications require you to sign a contract stating not only that you'll finish your work, but that you'll do it within a certain time-frame. When you pick up a series, especially a book series, the question is largely as to whether it will end well or badly - not whether it will end at all.
And of course it's an attack. Being a lazy and unfocused slob that never keeps his promises and lets everyone down means you're contemptible. The very least you could do is say upfront, "Don't trust me," or "I won't make any promises." It's quite another to state over and over how committed you are only to come up short, time and time again.
>then they're retards that don't know how to spend their money.
How can you be so stupid? If people had to assume uncertainty about basics things at every point in their lives we wouldn't be doing anything.
>Your point is that "the artist is indebted to the fans because he has to pander to them, otherwise he risks losing his source of income". You're describing an "artist" that produces art not out of artistic desire, but to get money out of it, an absolute phony, and your examples evidence this.
Are you fucking underage? How many people do you think there are producing out of "artistic desire," you clown?
>This, in particular. So according to you a band shouldn't change their style because they might anger their fanbase.
You're a moron. My point was that they're different things and that in the band example, the artist wouldn't have any form of obligation, only a worry that they might lose their income. But it's not the same as leaving something unfinished.

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>>10870307
>All assumptions. The time wasted by the reader is time they choose to waste freely, why should GRRM care?
They don't choose to waste it. Again, they wouldn't have read it to begin with if the assumption was that it's just as likely it wouldn't get finished. Again, you're retarded for thinking it's somehow 50-50 and they should've known it could go either way.
>And GRRM never said he doesn't plan to finish it, he's contractually obligated to do so (not to their fans, but to its editorial house). He just doesn't have to do so out of some kind of debt to its consumers.
He won't finish it though. The fact that he blogs about it every blue moon and releases a chapter every few years means next to nothing. His actions speak louder than his words. He's consumed with all sorts of things apart from ASoIaF, which he insists he can only write at home, yet makes no particular effort in staying there, not to mention focusing on it.
Had he been committed, truly committed, he would've prioritized it and gotten it done with, instead of focusing on getting stupid prequels done or whatever the hell else.
There's a world of difference between not having time to do something, dying suddenly despite your efforts, or prioritizing something that has greater importance even if others can't see it yet. This isn't the case with GRRM. He's doing almost ANYTHING so long as it isn't putting out ASoIaF. Blogging. Sports. Wildcards. Foodie shit. Conventions. Travel. Advertising shows and books.
>What an absolutely puerile attack.
>h-hes not an artist because I don't like him
He's not an artist though. I mean you can use that word broadly, but GRRM is definitely an unoriginal craftsman that spends the majority of his time trying to profit from his work, as every other ad blog post he makes shows very well.