/lit/ - Literature

>>10865539
outdated
sorry!

>>10865539
uh bro i am posting a parisian must read as requested

>>10865540
Care to elaborate?
I've been reading it after being suggested in the nonfiction thread and found it deeply insightful

>>10865539
>tfw you find out the voice of god was us all along

Max Tegmark - Our Mathematical Universe

It's a crock, OK.
Phone-posting right now, so no details, but consider this: the implausibility of distinct populations with distinct cultures, mythos, consciousnesses, whatever you wanna call it all, basically simultaneously, attaining this radical shift in nit just 'self-understanding' but actual brain function. Consider that he focuses on a relatively small region's history to support his thesis. What happens when we look at the contemporaneous accounts of, say, the 'Chinese'? or Meso-Americans? Or South Asians?

>>10865539
>Patrician must reads
>posts the pleb version of Preface to Plato

>>10865571
Different anon.
After reading this became excited to read Jaynes' book on general psychology only to learn that he died while putting it together. I'm wondering now if any of his later stuff has been published as it's been almost ten years since I've read pictured. Don't think theses like Jaynes' ever go out of date btw lsb. Insightful, well written, and suggestive on levels other than the merely informational.

>>10866441
his paper online is shorter btw, recommend that over the book

>>10865539
If you think you've studied biology without reading these guys then you're just a technician.

On Growth and Form

>>10866797
Was this some cold war literature or something?
>duck and cover

not much patrician literature in this thread so far, honestly

Philo+art history+Power of emotions= book

>>10865539

>>10865557
Eliade is great.

This book makes the patriciate accessible, though it is not the only means.

>>10865539
Interesting, but probably wrong
>>10866441
By far the stupidest thing I've heard today
>>10866789
never mind this is
>>10866912
Warmer

>>10867639
5 random
Johnson's Nine Worthies
DeRetz' Memoirs
Ficino's Platonic Theology
Walton's Compleat Angler
Coleridge's Biographia..
Pater's Appreciations

Patricians consult the Oracle, and this book is the most patrician method for well-read Westerners.

If only to disagree with him

>>10866610
It was inevitable with the development of a spoken and written language. And not all evolved at the same time. If you read it you'd know this.

This is one of the most technical, in-depth analyses of economic activity I've ever seen in my life.

This is a patrician read for anyone interested in marginal utility/economics.

>>10868112
>It was inevitable with the development of a spoken and written language
begging the question
>And not all evolved at the same time
the hypothesis is one of a nearly--in evolutionary terms--instantaneous development that somehow manifested serially, and independently in every human population

>>10866441
it sounds like gibberish

>>10867639
t. technician

>>10868168
Pareto's a God
>>10868877
why would a technician be interested in Kierkegaard

>>10868042
Pretty interested in it after Man in the High Castle

>>10869225
>why would a technician be interested in Kierkegaard
Because said technician is a brainlet.

The French Revolution: A history - Thomas Carlyle

MUNDUS MILLENNIALIS

>>10865591
holy... I want more!

>>10865591
I always find it insane when people say shit like this, you can't be satisfied with that answer, why would you silence yourself to the mysteries of heaven?

>>10865591
You're like a little kid, watch this.
>>10869929
Shut up

>>10865557
>>10867061
Where to begin with Eliade?
Eternal Return and Sacred & Profane right?

>>10870477
The latter and Myth and Dreams. Youre working your way up to the tomes on Shamanism and Yoga (believe it or not).

>>10869237
The PKD book? That's exactly why I first got into it.

I promise you that there is no substitute for this text: instead of a literal (or approximately so) translation of the Chinese, each line of the hexagrams has the direct Chinese translation coupled with 2-3 examples from world literature and philosophy. Honestly, it's incredible.

>>10868053
Why?

>>10865539
Extremely relevant, particularly on certain boards of this site.

>>10872543
Peter Brown's 'patrician' across the board from this all the way back to The Cult of the Saints and his bio of Augustine. As is Anthony Grafton (Cardano's Cosmos comes to mind). My rec however along these lines is Huizinga's Autumn of the Middle Ages.

>>10872879

Oops, didn't see it was already posted.

>>10865539

>>10865539
patricians only

>>10865542
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>>10874009

best ones yet

>>10874082
What's this about?

>>10874099
It's an anthropological study into the belief systems of a various aboriginal cultures. Super neat stuff

>>10874076
this shit is hilarious

>>10874082
found an original copy of this at a library sale not too long ago. my interest was recently piqued after finding out NYRB re-released it (I had assumed it was a minor scholarly work)

>>10874135
thanks seems cool

>>10866610
If you had met any sub-saharan Africans you'd accept that they are not really conscious in the way we use the term

The stand

>>10867135
>from fire to Freud
>tfw your species peaked early

>>10865539
I'd rather not read some half baked horseshit that only sounds vaguely compelling if you don't think about it for more than a few minutes and start to see all the myriad flaws with the core hypothesis.

>>10872623
Yes. His "The Name of the Rose" is also patrician.

>>10867135
>Freud in the title
gross and discouraging.

>>10872623
a top top book

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>>10866638
THis book sounds fucking dope. I've been making my way from Ryan Holiday to excitation transfer theory over the course of a couple of years - would like to know more about this motherfuxking book, yo!

"Patrician" has never meant "weak attempts at philosophy by failed academics" and it never will.

>>10874062
this

>>10874062
LMAO

>>10868040
Oh, good. At least one person hasn't forgotten that this is /lit/. Morons....

The Italian Montaigne.

Don't understand the lack of reference here, or everywhere.

>>10865946
Excellent.

>>10877756
I have this but it just seems like an enormous mess. Is there a particular extract from it that you enjoyed?

>>10875989
This. The entire thread is just personal book recs.

>>10877756
Montaigne/Nietzsche/Cioran hybrid. What it is is very lit in a /lit/ way so yeah, understand your perplexity. There's only one Montaigne, however.

>>10878025
>>10875989
i dare you faggot know-nothing fucks to actually read this >>10874187 and still talk shit
'failed academics'
professor emeritus at penn state, a fucking public ivy
who the fuck are you?

please

>>10878061
>there's only one Montaigne
Totally agree, I hope my analogy didn't imply otherwise.

It's like saying, for instance, that Venice is *like* New York (it probably isn't, but let's say for the sake of argument that it is). It would be absurd, however, to claim that New York is at all like Venice. Metaphors are almost entirely unidirectional. Thus, Leopardi is *like* Montaigne, but Montaigne is not at all like Leopardi—!

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>>10868040
Everyone else in this thread is clearly middle class, probably typing from red lobster with an open Michael chabon at their side.

>>10878529

>the aristocrat says to the plutocrat

>>10878529

>the bourgeoisie says to the aristocrat

Patricians only.

Loren Eisley passim.

>>10874019
Agreed

>>10868523
To you it might.

>>10878507
No problem, and youre right (fruit may be described- and often is- as 'nature's candy' but to call candy man's fruit reads absurd, even if true in an off beat thoroughly arguable way). Still (you) left that bit open to be qualified further which based on my reading is what I sought to do. ..That Nietzsche aspect's perhaps most interesting as Nietzsche loathed Leopardi (who was not only a far better poet, but is every bit as interestingly readable).

>>10879792
Puts me in mind of Joubert's Notebooks, and the political essays of the great Lord Acton.. for whatever reason

>everyone posting their book lists from their humanities courses

How embarrassing.

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>>10872879
Does this explanation zionist control of America?

Bump

>>10878837
D. G. James' Scepticism and Poetry (1937), anon. If not yet read.

>>10879806
Neato—didn't know that Nietzsche bit.

I think to be acknowledged by Nietzsche for any reason is an accomplishment in itself: dog's only fight back when the other dog is of sufficient size. The great dane ignores the poodle but rumbles with the wolfhound

>>10869225
He is but in some ways I liked the equation-based analysis of Léon Walras a bit more. Ah well, Pareto doesn’t seem to conflict with Walras too much except when it comes to how they determine value, which he agrees is determined by the equations in the economic system, but seems to believe, for some reason or another, that rarété does not determine value.

Sorry Pareto, I’m gonna side with Walras on this one, if there was anything that was an independent value in a system of economics, it is simply the exponential utility curve derived from individual’s psychological processes. An economic system which revolves around this basic principle is the only one which is going to be the most pure.

Pareto’s analysis is fascinating, however, and what he loses from technical efficiency, he gains from analyzation of abstract concepts that, though abstract, are prevalent in real world economic situations, like the designation of type I and type II economic phenomena.

>>10869256
Why on Earth would this be true? It might be a smarter move to do that than other things. It just depends on the job. For instance, I’m about to making more money working in valet than I made at a desk job.

>>10872879
>>10880054
>Born to businessman Jacques Canetti and Mathilde née Arditti in Ruse, a city on the Danube in Bulgaria, Canetti was the eldest of three sons. His ancestors were Sephardi Jews.
Another Jew attempting to belittle Fascism after WW2 for partisan reasons of Jewish identity. The body-politic of the goyim is a "crowd" manipulated by bad actors to act counter to cosmopolitan interests.

>>10868042
if that book isn't one page that says

>pick up i ching
>read i ching

I'm going to go fuck your mother

The Very Hungry Caterpillar

>>10865540
Not outdated, it's been a crackpot idea since its inception.

>>10865540
>>10865539
Just in case i don't get disappointing

Is the premise that consciousness is a product of the brain or the opposite?

>>10874082
>Writing in the 1920s, when anthropology was still young, Radin set out to show that “primitive” cultures are as intellectually sophisticated and venturesome as any of their “civilized” counterparts

Dropped so hard

>>10878118
Pavese è uno scrittore borghese
*si fa succhiare il cazzo da un ragazzino*

>>10884396

because of that?

everything ok over there boss?

>>10884403

If someone sets out to research something, it is failed from the get go because of the obvious social bias that makes the author seek confirmation bias rather than the scientific method.

Hunger

>>10884405

aren't you a fun one

>>10884408

i'm not bumping your thread, just so you know ;)

>>10884417

what thread

>>10884417

ANSWER ME CIVILIAN

I WILL NOT GO UNNOTICED

( the subtext is that I want to go unnoticed )

>>10884643
What's this about,

>>10884647
about the process of civilization. it deals with the emergence of behavioural and aesthetic behavior and affektive and emotional patterns in relationship to social ( power ) structures. It is a bit tedious and difficult to read. for me, it left a long lasting impression. he is underrated in popular sociology and philosophy and cultural studies but many people (foucault, bourdieu...) use his ideas, mostly in an reduced or distorted manner.

>>10884684
Seems very interesting, thanks

>>10885466

Care to elaborate? Been meaning to get into it.

persuade me to read something better and similar?

t. lit/let

>mfw too dum for all of these
feels bad

>>10872623
I started this then realised I would need to become extremely knowledgable about the Jewish kabbalah so I quit and read Name of the Rose instead.

>>10879797
It is gibberish. Retarded extremist Platonism.

>>10878837
these are pure sex ty anon