/lit/ - Literature

Anyone ever noticed how Nabby basically writes like a really eloquent Trump?
>Dislike him. Second-rate, ephemeral, puffed-up. A nonentity, means absolutely nothing to me. Awful.
This is literally something I could see Trump saying during one of the republican debates

>>10860624
Love his writing but dude's a douche

At least he's right about Brecht.

>>10860640
damn Nabokov really is the GOAT

Not the first time I come across this list but it bugs me that the majority of his "opinions" are copy-pasted.

>>10860624
?Gogol, Nikolai. Nobody takes his mystical didacticism seriously. At his worst, as in his Ukrainian stuff, he is a worthless writer; at his best, he is incomparable and inimitable. Loathe his moralistic slant, am depressed and puzzled by his inability to describe young women, deplore his obsession with religion.

>Nobody takes his reactionary journalism seriously.

lmao

His love of H.G. Wells is surprising, I never expected him to like someone like that.

>>10860624
>tfw my favorites are Dosto, Mann and Faulkner

>>10860624
Entertaining but limited, though he has a few really good recs (Hellens, Bely, Ilf and Petrov, Yury Olesha, Zoshchenko). But to each his own

>nothing about steinbeck
not sure if this is better or worse than verbal slaughter

>>10860640
Like an adult Trump with an adult brain.

>>10860856
Mann? Who likes Mann? He basically wrote Lolita for faggots aka Death in Venice.

>>10861112
>The Magic Mountain
>Doctor Faustus
>The Buddenbrooks
all 10/10

Nabokov, Vladimir - Awful. Nobody takes his recommendations seriously. Dreadful.

>>10860640
There is a line in Pnin that literally ends in ". Sad!"

>>10860640
It's like a human Trump.

>>10860697
being like Trump is a very bad thing. How can you not see how harmful he is to the country with his hateful rhetoric and transparent avarice

Nabokov said that Dostoyevsky wrote "elephantine platitudes." His opinion can be safely discarded.

>>10860640
those are quotes taken out of context from different interviews over the years

>>10861183
lmao, beautiful

>>10860832
Wells was a legitimately great story teller, he could write in any genre and make it amazing

>>10861198
he was write, the whole redemption arc in the ending of Crime and Punishment is ridiculous

>>10861319
right*

>>10860624
Nabokov was a puffed-up, perverted fuck who wrote the most pretentious prose of the 20th century. None of his literary opinions are worth taking seriously.

>>10861326
lol, did he insult your favourite writer?

>Second-rate, ephemeral, puffed-up.

Going to have to start using this line when shitposting

>>10860624
reddit reddit redditors

kill yourselves

>>10860624
>In Search of Lost Time. The first half is the fourth-greatest masterpiece of 20th-century prose.

lmao I love his absolute precision in these matters

>>10860640
Dnabovof

>>10860640
>Jeb Bush? Dislike him. A formidable mediocrity.
>Bernie Sanders? Dislike him. A cheap sensationalist, clumsy and vulgar. A prophet, a claptrap politician and a slapdash rhetorician. Some of his rallies are extraordinarily amusing. Nobody takes his progressive rabblerousing seriously.

>>10861411
and hitlery clit-on?

I have never ever met a person that doesnt like Dostoevsky, if i even meet one ill call him a retard for sure

>>10861417
A genius. One would have liked to film her twitching in stroke in her car.

>>10861417
A favorite between the ages of 8 and 41. Essentially a politician for very young people. Certainly inferior to Bill Clinton and Franklin Roosevelt. Intolerable souvenir-shop style, feminist clichés. Nothing I would care to have said myself. In mentality and emotion, hopelessly juvenile. Unfeeling in the large sense. Slightly bogus. A cruel and crude old woman.

>>10861432
>Slightly bogus.

>>10861411
>>10861427
>>10861432
>>10861341
i kinda love this nabokov style shitposting

>>10861443
gay meme for a gay lord

It's a shame he didn't get to experience the horrors of Stephen King.

>>10861502
Slightly bogus

>>10861197
>hateful rhetoric
What hateful things has he said? He's brash and a bully on Twitter but this sounds like accusing someone of wrongthink.

>>10860624
Hahaha all these Krauts he BTFOs

>>10861569
I think he meant obnoxious.

Why did he hate Freud/psychoanalysis so much?

>No mention of Goethe
Was Nabokov a pleb?

>>10861777
Muh aesthetics

Wallace, David Foster. Lucidity of thought, purity of poetry. A man of infinite talent.

>>10861777
The Freudians at the time were a different breed than the ones today, they were a clownish mafia and deserved derision

>>10861778
>Goethe
A non-entity. Means nothing to me

>Gogol, Nikolai. Nobody takes his mystical didacticism seriously. At his worst, as in his Ukrainian stuff, he is a worthless writer; at his best, he is incomparable and inimitable. Loathe his moralistic slant, am depressed and puzzled by his inability to describe young women, deplore his obsession with religion.

'inability to describe young women'. What did nabby mean by this?

>>10861112
kys

Pound's Cantos is objectively superior to anything Nabokov has ever done

>>10861319
Yea, that was overdone by Dosto the romantic, but I can't see how that part's inferiority connects with the whole "platitudes" dismissal.

>>10861847
Elaborate

>>10861852
His work was too disconnected from believable life. He was fixated on their ludicrous extremes of pathologies believing himself to be profound but in reality they were endlessly juvenile.

>>10861847
Even John Shade's poem is superior to The Cantos.

>>10861348
What the hell happened to /lit/? Has summer come already?

>>10861847
>Pound
Who?

>>10861867
I fail to see how being focussed on those things in any way makes him a bad writer.

>>10861847
Pound is a hack

>>10861112
Nice.
>>10861338
Eh, some of them. He's shit either ways. >>10861778
He was the greatest pleb of the 20th century. His only talent was memorizing weird words from the dictionary (and then, using them in pretentious and obviously forced ways).

>>10861579
>obnoxious
Well that is pretty subjective. I think he's fucking hilarious myself but with a very brash manner which I know really rubs some people the wrong way, I mean he is a bighead and a loudmouth but plenty of great comedians are.

>Brooke, Rupert. A favorite between the ages of 20 and 40, but no longer.

what happened after 40?

>>10860624
This is coming from the guy who thought "The Double" was Dostoyevsky's greatest work.
Man is just trolling.

>>10862093
>having your own taste is trolling

>>10862102
How?
Nabokov is not being consistent in his critique of Dostoyevsky, the Double is by far the weakest in terms of prose and the most boring in terms of psychological insight.
Nabokov probably read somewhere that Dostoyevsky called it a failure and hence decided to praise it to satisfy his contrarian ego.

Nabokov has no idea how to create an overall scene, and his books are so obviously thinly veiled memories. You read three of his books, and it’s like reading the exact same fucking thing over and over again. Honestly can’t stand him as a writer, he’s like nuanced Stephen King, except he can only write about butterflies and perverted Slavs.

>>10862145
t. buttblasted Dosto fan

>>10862138
>nabokov is a contrarian

What is with this meme? His favorite authors are all some of the most highly acclaimed in literature

>>10862157
Nah, can’t stand Russian authors in general. They’re all so obsessed with Russia and Russian “culture.”

>>10862189
Wow, almost like they're Russian or something

>>10862189
This but for Murifag authors.

>>10862193
Shakespeare and Chaucer aren’t pondering England every five seconds. The only equivalent I can think of, is US “western” genre writers.

>>10862210
>Shakespeare and Chaucer aren’t pondering England every five seconds

Shakespeare very much does actually. I won't speak for Chaucer since he was a bloated children's writer

>>10862213
>Shakespeare very much does
>most famous works aren’t even set in England, besides the Henriad.

>>10862157
using prison rape terminology on an online mental asylum advocating for a pedophile’s sick minded critiques of his peers

disgraceful

>>10861867
And Nabokov wasn't? Yeah, right.

>>10862227
Not literally but if you think when Hamlet is talking shit about Denmark Shakespeare is actually concerned with Danish culture you're deluded

>>10862242
Nabokov doesn't care about representing 'real life', he's a 100% aesthete

>>10862256
>>10862242
In any case Nabokov was just a kooky aristocrat, his own writing doesn't matter in the truth of his criticisms

>>10862256
If he doesn’t care at all why is he then critiquing Dostoyevsky for not being believable enough?

>>10862253
>when Hamlet is talking shit about Denmark
What? Did you read the emoji version or something?

>>10862301
No but I did actually read it. Do you not recall the "Denmark is a prison" speech?

>>10862213
>>10862227
"This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands,--
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England."

Fuck you, you pleb. Shakespeare loved England.

>>10862189
Anyways, Nabokov was more obsessed with France and America than Russia.

>>10862319
I know right, I can't believe this guy read him

>>10861828
"nabby"
this is now Canon

>>10862319
>>10862326
Line about England from a book about an English ruler is the equivalent to characters discussing the state of Russia every other conversation? Oh geez

>>10862343
I mean they don't but whetever

>>10860624
>Borges: A favorite. How freely one breathes in his marvelous labyrinths! Lucidity of thought, purity of poetry. A man of infinite talent.

>Robbe-Grillet: Great. A favorite. How freely one breathes in his marvelous labyrinths! Lucidity of thought, purity of poetry. Magnificently poetical and original.

>>10862234
Go back to LoL, brainlet.

>>10862357
Problem?

>>10862357
Nabokov just memorized shit using his favorite words from the dictionary. Watch his interviews, he literally would either read from something or say something obviously memorized. It's embarrassing. Hence, his repetition, probably had been saving that one and accidentally used it twice.

>>10862357
>How freely one breathes in his marvelous labyrinths!

>>10862234
Well, Nabokov already uses "corncobby" in his description of Faulkner...

>>10861197
>rich af
>famous af
>thounds of bitches
>literally orange
>manly
>many kids all them successfull
>IQ of 150
>literally make lost weight some fatroasties
You have to go back, faggot >>>/pol/

>>10862372
He was a man of great intellect, he had no time to expend his mind on thinking of off the cuff statement to the vulterous pickings of the press

>>10862369
Not really. I also thought I remembered reading he'd used the same "marvelous labyrinths" bit talking about Butor.

>>10862357
>>10862372
>>10862373
It's because he was talking about both of them at once. The guy who made the link in the OP wrote it off from different parts.
You guys are fucking dumb.

>>10862357
He mentioned them in the same sentence as men of "marvelous labyrinths" and this was taken out and rephrased by the compiler.

>>10862384
kek I just find it funny to imagine he had a list of statements he threw out without even knowing the writer he was being asked about

>>10862384
Nah, I’m just a bit embarrassed this guy actually said that.

>>10860624
Has he ever elaborated his contempt for Camus and Sartre and, I suppose, existentialism in general?

I'd like to punch him right in his goddamn fucking ugly fucking cunt face for his opinion on Faulkner

>>10862494
Faulkner is trash, go back to Oklahoma

>>10862399
>Nah, I’m just a bit embarrassed t
That he uttered a sentence you couldn't in a decade come up with?

>>10862484
I have not seen but I imagine he would describe it a type of faux immanence. A vulgar charade of percipience.
His description of the purpose of poetry actually shows him to have a very existentialist bent but I beleive he felt a duty to be very sure footed in its execution unlike his French contemporaries.

>>10862601
Nah, I’d come up with it, and then I’d promptly delete it.

>>10860624
>talking shit about Plato
Someone can't ascend to the realm of the forms :^)

>>10861197
t. woman

>>10860624
he's 100% correct about pound, dosto, and camus. most overrated writers of all time.

>>10862883
Pound is actually good, i figured this out by reading the first few Cantos

>>10861847
the cantos are just reactionary phony neo-classicist rupi kaur poems

>>10862893
Kek perfect
I never met a Pound fan who wasn't a despicable pseud

>>10862893
No they’re not at all you dull equivocating fractured consciousness pleb

>>10862913
Unironically including random Chinese characters in your poems is more emptiheaded and proposterous than anything Kaur ever wrote

>>10862913
haha you sound pretty gotten to there, bud

>>10862928
the best part is that he didn't even know chinese but thought he did lmao. he also thought he could read a chinese sentence composed entirely of unknown characters by interpreting each character's structure. that's something even below brainlet level. like, how can you devote YEARS of your life to a language and get the most basic fundamental features of it completely, utterly wrong.

>>10862955
>the best part is that he didn't even know chinese but thought he did lmao. he also thought he could read a chinese sentence composed entirely of unknown characters by interpreting each character's structure

He's so funny the more you scrutinize him. A victim of his own success if there was one

>>10862955
he made some beautiful poems but he's sort of like Kanye in that he constantly released "official" drafts and then scraped them.

>>10862981
jerking each other off like we’re on reddit, disgusting

>>10863040
>St-stop making fun of my idol !

>all christians got negative comments
>all pedophiles got positive comments
Really makes you think...

What languages did Nabokov speak? Write in?

>>10863699
He only wrote in English and Russian but he was also fluent in French from a young age

>>10863615
Cunny makes you a patrician, interesting ...

>Tagore, Rabindranath. A formidable mediocrity.
Nabakov was a brainlet faggot.

>>10862710
>couldn't even write a good sentence in response
lol

>>10863770
>Politics and economics, atomic bombs, primitive and abstract art forms, the entire Orient, symptoms of "thaw" in Soviet Russia and the Future of Mankind, and so on, leave me supremely indifferent.
>the entire Orient
Coolie lovers BTFO by Nabby

>>10863791
Protip: To not sound like a retard, never start a statement with “How”

>>10863920
How freely one breathes in the odor of his shitposts!

>>10863920
How should I start?

>>10863920
How come?

>>10862955
People don't shit on Pound enough for the Chinese thing. Hell, I'm not sure if it's even possible to shit on Pound enough for pretending to translate (classic!) Chinese.
Utter charlatanry.

>>10860624
>Finnegans Wake. A formless and dull mass of phony folklore, a cold pudding of a book. Conventional and drab, redeemed from utter insipidity only by infrequent snatches of heavenly intonations. Detest it. A cancerous growth of fancy word-tissue hardly redeems the dreadful joviality of the folklore and the easy, too easy, allegory. Indifferent to it, as to all regional literature written in dialect. A tragic failure and a frightful bore.

imo Nabokov appears be the kind of person who doesn't care for innovation or informal ways of expression. I might be biased but I feel that most or at least a sizable amount people enjoy when language gets warped beyond what gets codified in a dictionary. His attitude/aesthetic views on this is anal in a way I don't like.

>>10864610
Have you read Nabokov? He's very playful with language. Enjoys making new linguistic associations and combinations for fun and effect.
Nabokov moreso had an issue with heralding mere playfulness as having immanent worth in the same way great literature has worth. It is putting the crash test ahead of the finished car so to speak

>all this talk about authors
>meanwhile threads that talk about actual literature don't get more than 30 replies
you guys are fucking disgusting to be quite honest desu senpaifamilia
I want to meet you one of you IRL so I can punch you in the face piss on your corpse

>>10864610
He's right tho.
He also said Ulysses was one of the three greatest prose works of the 20th century.

>>10862374
Very Underrated;

>>10864112
>>10864433
You start by learning the difference between a question and a statement.

>>10864621
I read Pale Fire. I think I should have only said "doesn't care for informal expression" because he is playful in his own way. I understand his point better now though.

>>10861112
>>10861124

>>10861112
If you are not a faggot then literature is not for you

>>10865408
How insightful you are, anon!

>>10865679
holy fuck

>>10861778
He at least had the decency not to rate German poets he couldn't read.

>>10863701
>What is Mademoiselle O?

>>10865679
Musil was a major hack. I can tell having read the first ~10 pages of Man without Qualities.

Never trust someone who can't into music

>>10862893
this