/lit/ - Literature

>makes this thread every day

>intricate prose
Terms like that are pretentious though.

>>10827537
Leave this board and never return if the following applies to you:

>you are a faggot

Well, see ya later OP

>>10827537
>you believe 'the author is dead'
This brainlet believes in an author

>>10827595
>>10827583
>>10827566
>>10827544
>>>/out/

I honestly wish I could leave this board and never return

/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but ideally those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

Actually this board would be great without people like OP.

>>10827537
>OP has struggles with all of these things and thus makes a post about them in order to hide that fact, but fails in fooling me

>>10827537
I used to beat up people like you when I was in school. Now I work in publishing and send people like you rejection letters.

MUH CHECKLIST

pleb rage ITT

>>10828104
>>10827537
fucking obliterated

>>10827537
He doesnt enjoy literature.
Laughinggirls.jpg

jesus i hate that guy's face so much
and the fact that i see it related to this thread makes it even worse
anyone else feels like this?

>>10827537
I always love me some Novalis

>>10828185
>that guy

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>typing all that bullshit

>>10828185
yea, I wanna punch him.

>>10827537
what the fug is a "cultural horizon"?

>>10827537
Genre fiction is the only fiction worth reading. Literary fiction is worthless when histories and biographies exist.

>>10828104
>>10828147
>>10827910
>>10827951
Get out. Just get the fuck out.

I bet OP tried studying English in college and rage quit the moment he ran up against having to engage with any lit crit from the past 100 years he didn't like.

>>10828368
>rage quit
Underage fuck off
>>>/trash/

>>10827910
>>10827951
>>10828104
>>10828316
You don't seem to realize how /lit/ used to be great, before beasts like you ruined it. Now the mods side with the mediocre, with the rabble, with you ; they will ban anyone telling your kind to get the fuck out. They helped make this place more like reddit ; and it just keeps getting worse, as reddit users come, and just see the garbage, the retarded shit, the dumb sci-fi, fantasy, pleb threads, and go "woah this board is actually quite like reddit but with another template," so we have to deal with them, and they start to form sort of gangs, and will side against anything rare or noble to further wallow in their mediocrity like an animal in its shit. Most of them must be fat fucks, gamers and losers.
Some of them can be reared into respectable people, but they must encounter anons with unfathomable arrogance backed up by true knowledge of the subject matter. The good ones will feel terrible about themselves, and will remake themselves. They will read the good books, they will despise their former selves, and attempt to create a new personality, bringing about their maturity.
The others are just too low-blood to make it, probably the descendants of products of incest or the sludge of some peasant caste in a past age, the kind with big foreheads and squinted faces, who hunker through the streets and yell at anyone they deem "tryhard" or "hipster," words true for some but used falsely by them against anything or anyone remotely Olympian. These must be simply embarrassed with ad hominems, doxes, literary gang rape and dunce caps until they get the fuck out for good. That's all they can understand, so we speak their language.

Since we stopped doing this like we used to, the board now lacks the atmosphere of an old e/lit/e french salon fused with the violent Greek agon which it once possessed.

We don't have experts to come in and shit on newplebs, tell them to go back to reading catcher in the rye: we've let people who fap off to DFW actually have threads and not shame them out of here, and the American election has made everyone care about petty politics more than the canon, so you get effete antifa wannabees and braindead alt-right meme-spouters bickering about who is more sophisticated when neither of them read anything written prior to the nineteenth century.

If we want the board to be good we have to shit on people all the time and cultivate a culture of elitism again.

In order to achieve this, we must make the reddit users feel not welcome, and ruin their chances at an actual discussion of whatever their mediocrity brought them to enjoy. They must lose all incentive to come here. This incentive is fundamentally that they find a platform which allows to partake in such discussion. This platform must be destroyed ; we must insult, humiliate and harass them until they can no longer find any pleasure in coming here.

>>10828398
>Since we stopped doing this like we used to, the board now lacks the atmosphere of an old e/lit/e french salon fused with the violent Greek agon which it once possessed.
lmao

>>10827537
I would argue any sort of enjoyment is "entertainment." You probably have a point with a lot of these (not all of them), but do they really apply to a lot of readers here?

>>10828398
That's true, /lit/ used to be so pretensious I was too afraid to ever make a reply.

>>10828398
>>10828398
>>10828398
this

>>10828398
This.

>>10827537
>you don't have at least have some understanding of the Two Tragedians and Homer
Fixed that for you.

>>10828398
bury nice spagheti
i can has?

>>10828484

>>10828398
I agree that reddit users who view reading purely as a source of entertainment as well as feel entitled to whichever interpretation of a novel can fuck off. But being pretentious as fuck only encourages more pseuds who try to fit in. I enjoy the casual level discussions about books but maybe I'm just not well read enough.

So go ahead and shit on people. People should be put in their place, but quit pretending that this isn't 4chan instead of your french intellectual pegging circle.

>>10828924
you’re part of the problem nigger

>>10828940
surely you could do better than that. well, im off to go make posts about which of the hunger games books is my favorite

*leaves and comes back*

OP actually baited 28 fags with the pasta.

I fucking love genre fiction. There is no point in reading old classic shit. They don't serve to get me any further in life both financially or sexually with women. I mean neither does genre fiction but at the very least its entertaining and not boring dreck that everyone here reads just to say they did it.

>>10829271
>I fucking love genre fiction
You have to go back
>>>/tg/

>>10829271
kys

>>10828996
kys

>>10828477
Good point, but your comment relies on a prior knowledge of the Three Tragedians.

>>10827583
if
>you use redditspacing
Time to leave

>>10828424
>/lit/
>house of leaves
Ouch

>>10827537
>>you read for entertainment
what's wrong with enjoying Plato's philosophies analogized?

>no genre fiction allowed
Ok, I'm leaving this bored.

Bye.

>>10829717
Good riddance. Best news I heard all day. I'll think of this when I'm enjoying my shower tomorrow.

Whew. One less of you to worry about. See you.

>>10829733
I just got an audible account and will be posting on here throughout each chapter of the entire Harry Potter series as I go through it.

>>10829717

>>10828438
Why the fuck are you replying now?

>>10829776
Why didn't the "wizards" just cast themselves out of the dullest franchise in the history of movie franchises? Seriously each episode following the boy wizard and his pals from Hogwarts Academy as they fight assorted villains has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the gloomy imagery, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of special effects, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.
Perhaps the die was cast when Rowling vetoed the idea of Spielberg directing the series; she made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody?just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for her books. The Harry Potter series might be anti-Christian (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-James Bond series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.
>a-at least the books were good though
"No!" The writing is dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs."
I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Rowling's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that she has no other style of writing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of Harry Potter by the same Stephen King. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are reading Harry Potter at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to read Stephen King." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you read "Harry Potter" you are, in fact, trained to read Stephen King.

>>10827537
>you read contemporary versions of Shakespeare or Milton
>he doesn't like OMG Shakespeare!

>>10827537
>>you read for entertainment
Why?

>>10827537
>Watching anime isn't mentioned
Phew, looks like i'm good here, sempai.

>>10828104
what a story, Mark

>>10828398
Give up any hope you have of making it as an author.

>>10831303
not him but why

>>10829231
It's not pasta propely speaking, Novalisfag edits some stuff in and out every now and then, which is why I'm pretty sure it's the same person.

>>10828398

>Caring this much about /lit/

I've been posting on 4chan for 8 years.
This is possibly the saddest, most autistic excuse for a post I've ever read on any board on 4chan.

The importance you think this board has makes me feel pity for you on a visceral level. Your life must truly be joyless outside from the elitism you used to get away with on this board.

>>10831762

Normies are the most abundant readers. Staying on a board where normies post let you get into their head. You can get a better idea of what stories you should tell and what narratives they dig. If you want to be profitable start there and once you've become popular you can start branching out into avant-garde shit.

Or don't, die penniless only to be discovered after your death.

>>10828398
Entropy is the death of all things. To fully embody humanity, you must be willing to accept that good things will die. Our bodies will become the tenement of maggots and beetles just as this board has become a bolthole for the easily amused and anti-intellectual. Feel not fear at the touch of death, but take his hand glady and travel into the unknown. Bodies are but cocoons, and our souls must one day shed them, and leave them behind.

"no" - me

>>10828234
pls respond

I know this is a pasta, but I still wanted to reply.

>>10827537
>>you read any form of genre fiction
I don't.
>>you barely know your classics
I've only read a bit over a dozen of the Greek works, so I must admit this.
>>you tend to believe that if you like a given work, it is justified on an artistic level
I can also dislike a work, but feel that it is justified.
>>you think everyone's opinion should be accepted and respected
Clearly not.
>>you speak a single language
>implying reading isn't more important for literature.
That said I can speak three and am learning a fourth.
>>you read contemporary versions of Shakespeare or Milton
By contemporary do you also include modernised spelling? Because editions with original spelling are quite rare.
>>you read for the plot
Plot is an important element of fiction, and should not be dismissed outright.
>>you read for entertainment
I read becouse I enjoy it, but there should be more to a work than that.
>>you rarely read nonfiction
I only read nonfiction when I have to.
>>you don't have a solid grounding in philosophy
I cannot say that I do.
>>you don't have at least have some understanding of the Three Tragedians and Homer
Isn't this just a milder version of 2)? This I pass.
>>you have little to no understanding of literature outside of your cultural horizon
>>you have little to no understanding of literature within your own cultural horizon
What do you mean by cultural horizon? Literature from my country? Literature from my continent? Literature that follows my ideology?
>>you mostly read contemporary literature
I don't think anyone on /lit/ does this.
>>you believe 'the author is dead'
>believing in authorial intent
>>you make your literary analysis proceed from ideology
No.
>>you think intricate prose is 'pretentious' and that the author 'should just get to the point'
This is not something anyone here would say.
>>your rarely read poetry
>your
But I haven't read poetry in two months, does that count as rarely?
>>you think Rhythm and Rhyme is just useless rules and laws restricting creativity
Not a position anyone on /lit/ would hold.
>>you have a hard time explaining why you like a given work
>>you have a hard time forming structured and relevant literary criticism
This are things that can be improved with practise. I think /lit/ is a good place for that.
>>you tend to refuse to judge works for yourself, rather relying on the opinions of literary authorities
Early on it's better to trust authorities.
>>you rarely read for more than one or two hours straight
Depends on how much time I have, but it's not rare.

>>10832110
I don't know either.

>>10828424
does that thing have a penis? hope not, but if so, i'd succ

>>10828398
This poas is so cringey. Holy shit get your GED first or actually go to college. Fucking weeblet brainlet who goes on 4chan, gets brainwashed by posts, and somehow thinks reading Ulysses is going to make him into something. No.... You are damn useless.

>>10832855
>pleb rage : the post

>>10832839
Why do redditors attempt to rebuke every point of an accusation as if it actually validated them or anyone cared? Is this a thing that they do over there? It's really unnatural and out of place every time I see it.

>>10834082
It’s how they argue. Someone spews out a list of things supporting their argument and they attempt to attack each one, then the first person refutes that point by point. I used to be like that and I’m sorry.

>>10834082
line-by-line responses are an old-school internet "debate" tactic where you fracture the conversation into a dozen pedantic complaints hoping you'll "win" by being so tedious that everyone gives up arguing with you. i don't know how commonplace it is on reddit but i associate it with traditional forums back in the early 2000s.

>>10828398
>taking a cambodian sock puppet IRC this seriously

>>10828398

>what is change of generations for 500

>>10827537
>Leave this board and never return if any one of these apply to you:
>you believe 'the author is dead'

I started reading literature one year ago: the post

>>10828398
Big if true

>>10828398
>the kind with big foreheads and squinted faces
Can you post an example of this?

>>10828398
>violent Greek agon

The children who can't maintain a civil tone always were the worst thing about this place.

>>10836235
Shut up, reddit.

>Never return

Why can’t I just get good and then come back?

>>10832110
>>10828234
>posting anime
OUT

>>10836615
You can. Just don't post in the meantime.

>>10828398
>>10836626
lol at the irony
>>/lit/?task=search2&search_text=realize&search_filename=1494555861599.png

>>10828346
no u

>>10828398
I can tell by your post that you are one huge dickface, but I can't disagree with you. There is an incessant discussion of the most publicised, and therefore more popular literature in all channel of communication that exists, at the same time the literature that has been overlooked by the "mainstream" one also has a right of having its own place, where individuals with the appropriate knowledge on the subject can engange in discussion. This poster when he talks about good books he is with 90% certainty refering to the western canon of philosophy and other classics, namely i'd say written by some 19th and 20th century authors.
Though I refuse to utilise the adjectives "good" and "bad" objectively to qualify literature, I can't deny the need for those who do so to have their own space where they can remain happy with the environment that exists there, for this is a right everyone should have. If use the quantity of the so-called "pleb literature" spaces compared to the existence of "classic literature" spaces as criteria, well there you go, have your pretentious auto-fellating elitist, but different, safe space. I rather this than yet another place where you discuss what is discussed in the remaining #122342944 places. If this sounds like verbal diarrhea is because i'm actually a bit drunk right now and by stumbling upon this post I thought I could let whoever comes across this thread and this post know what I think about this particular post, and on the idea of elitism on /lit/ on the whole.

>>10828398
Based

>>10827537
>you speak a single language
Huhehegh gababaro. Pliplipli.

>>10827907
>/pol/
is not the politics board. That is incorrect.

>>10827910
It would be like /tv/ for books. Terrible.

>>10828234
He probably means regional cultural traditions.

>>10827537
>everyone needs to be me
did you take your autism pills this morning Anon, they're the ones with the orange and blue swirls on the top

>>10835961
Not him but I can take a guess that he's talking about grug posters.

>>10827910
Reeeeee get out you fuckin reader
Honestly the only genres I have a problem with are YA and NA, children’s lit and normal lit are good

>>10827537
i don't think that Novalis would approve of this use of his image

>>10827537
BASED

>>10827537
>>you read contemporary versions of Shakespeare or Milton
What does this even mean.

>>10828398
>If we want the board to be good we have to shit on people all the time
>even the people relaxing and enjoying themselves e.g. reading genre fiction and not bothering anyone
The person right now who needs to be shit on is you. Stop this nonsense.

>We don't have experts to come in and shit on newplebs, tell them to go back to reading catcher in the rye: we've let people who fap off to DFW actually have threads and not shame them out of here, and the American election has made everyone care about petty politics more than the canon, so you get effete antifa wannabees and braindead alt-right meme-spouters bickering about who is more sophisticated when neither of them read anything written prior to the nineteenth century.
The petty politics is indeed a problem, but it's not because we "let people" have threads about DFW. Threads about books should be encouraged. Threads about pseudo-philosophical and pseudo-political subjects should be discouraged.

>>10828398
exactly

>>10828398
i am 100% on with this cause

>>10828104

How are you doing all these things from you mother's basement?

>>10827714
sometimes when I'm reading a book I really love I can not come here (/lit/, not 4chan) for weeks, but after a while always roll back.
>haven't been here in a month
>this faggot is still posting
>everyday apparently
some things never change
kek

>>10839110
lmao you need to go back
refer to >>10827537

>>10827537
You forgot one
>you can't read

>>10834082
an old standby from their gamefags days

>>10831777
trips

>>10828996
>worst emma
tasteless too!

>All these newfags not recognizing pasta
Neck yourselves.

>>10827537
jesus fucking christ anon life must be shit for you

>>10827537
hey just wanted to say if you're (OP) im a big fan and i've been making threads similar to yours quite often. not as of late but still, was thinking about making one today but then saw you (or someone) had already done it. cheers!

>>10828398
absolutesly based

>>10828398
When the bait is so good that you get 20+ replies

>>10827537
>>10828316
>>10829271
>Using the term "genre fiction" without irony.

>>10847370
>not offering an alternative term
>replying to more than one person
>capitalizing and punctuating greentext
>using a reaction image
>using a Doctor Who reaction image
>naming your reaction image
>propagating the "disdain for plebs" meme
>using greentext
>posting at all
>browsing 4chan

>>10831986
I’m still hoping it’s an obscure pasta. Just too embarrassing otherwise.

>>10847533
Was this reply supposed to do anything other than explain what he's posted?
What are you the author of an introduction to someone's philosophy book?

>>10827537
>>you read any form of genre fiction
I never got this, the quality of the book is what matters. Oh the Master and Margarita has a talking cat and the devil but that's not fantasy? Sure. Or what about Poe and Maupassant, direct relatives of supposed genre fiction like Lovecraft but are considered non-genre fiction, makes zero sense.

>>10847584
It's clearly satire intended to highlight the absurdity of the situation, stupid.

>>10828398
>waaaah only stuff i like is worthy of discussion, too bad my taste is the most superficial disingenuous force on the planet.

>>10847608
I want to apologize for this joke, I didn't realize what a cesspool this place had become to where these kinds of posts aren't even a joke anymore.

>>10831998
>because you have to write trash and ya fiction, profit is what matters
Get out and never return to the fucking internet again. Even twitter and youtube comments have more class than you.

>>10827537
>implying this post is not used to foment argument in those to which it applies
face it, without any of these people, no one would respond to your shitty copypasta.