/lit/ - Literature

Generals contribute to declining board quality and need to be purged.

Who is your /sff/ waifu?

First for litRPG is a cancer.

Scifi books with good attempts at predicting the future? No space shit pls.

Also is there a discord for this general or board?

>>10829919
thecla

>>10829946
May I ask why? last thread's short discussion on the topic was actually kind of interesting

Any good sci-fi/horror? I've already read Blindsight/Echopraxia.

>>10829954
okay i was memeing its actually dorcas

>>10829962
Same question.

>>10829941
>scifi books
>no space shit
For fuck's sake why do you have to make this shit hard, man. I'd recomnmend you the Golden Age by John C Wright, but I'll go with Void Star by Zachary Mason or Europe in Autumn by Dave Hutchinson (the second if you like some parallel dimensions).

>>10829955
I have no mouth and I must scream, Ubik, etcetera by PKD.

>>10829964
she's pure and sticks with sev through thick & thin

>>10829966
>I have no mouth and I must scream
That's more angst than horror. Also eternal reminder that title refers to AM as much as the POV character.

>>10829969
So loyalty is the main thing you look for? Anything else?

>>10829966
>John C Wright

post the euphoric quote

>>10829966
Thanks baby

>>10829966
>I have no mouth and I must scream, Ubik, etcetera by PKD.
I've read those too, thanks though.

Somebody please make a "The Chad Miles and the Virgin Mark" image.

Can I get a rec for a mindfucky book, /sffg/? I really like the way my brain feels when I read something that twists the ol' neurons. I've read some of the common recommendations here like Blindsight, the Spin trilogy, etc. Also some Asimov, Rendezvous with Rama (and similar alien megastructure books), Hyperion, Tau Zero etc. Most recent book I read (can't believe I forgot the name) had these Russian astronauts visit an alien asteroid or something and inside was a future human with a message... but I forgot the details. That was pretty good too.

Looking for a spooky/trippy space phenomena book.

>>10829991
What's happening in this image?

>>10830002
Troika?

>>10830002
Library at mount char

Why aren't you self-published yet?

>>10830005
Dunno its just some cool art. I think the environment is supposed to be some kind of hell

>>10830008
>Troika
Damn this sounds like the author was tripping balls when he wrote it. Will check it out

>>10829991
>>10830005
>>10830049
That looks like an illustration of that SCP that leads to a post apocalyptic reality.

>>10830012
for once you're right mount char spammer anon

>>10830005
I have no idea but I'd sure like to read about it.

>>10830012
Read it. This book is not really mindfucky

>>10830055
>I have no idea but I'd sure like to read about it.
http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-093

>>10830049
Well check out
>Radix Tetrad (right up your alley)
>Axiomatic
>anything Xeelee or Revelation Space
>>10830012
seconding. I was WATing hard throughout the book.

Does a good book need a central conflict/mystery or can a character just going on a journey be enough

>>10830136
Short stories may not really depend upon it. But for a novel, you need it if you want to attract the mainstream. Most people are accustomed to the basic dramatic structure. It's easier to write around it as well.

What kind of journey are we talking about anyway?

>>10830136
Journey around the world with an old man (and his granddaughter) who's going back to his home country to die and wants to pass on his craft to a worthy apprentice before be does.

Problem is I can't really think of a conflict that would follow them. My best bets are either that he's a wanted man because he refused to use his skills to aid in a war and there's a spy following them from port-to-port, or he took on the MC as an apprentice because the granddaughter saw some evil spirit hanging over the boy's shoulder

>>10830319
fuck, meant >>10830289

I really enjoyed The Stars, My Destination and A Canticle for Leibowitz.

What are some other books you think I would enjoy? I'm bored of Pournelle-esque sci fi for the moment; just finished a lot of his stuff.

Does somebody know if there are fan translations of Liu Cixin's short stories that aren't in The Wandering Earth?

I'm specifically looking for one called The Nebula of Poems that's supposed to be really good and also a sequel to a story in the published collection (Devourer).

>>10829955
the camp of the saints

>>10830319
>jilted lover who crafted herself into an immortal daemon for revenge
>old man stole his craft knowledge Innana style from vengeful semi-omnipotent beings
>granddaughter was suckled by a mighty she-wolf and she wants her cub back
>shoddy record keeping by the regional daimyo incorrectly labels old man as dangerous ex-con
>a longstanding dispute with the tea brewers union boils over
>a cat goddess, source of the old man's craft knowledge, takes a liking to MC and won't take no for an answer
You're welcome :3

>>10830319
Sounds interesting. Here's a few (bad) ideas:
- his "gift" is the source of the conflict, seen as a curse or a disease, even in his hometown
- not a spy following them, but rather an old rival
- his "craft" is actually his granddaughter and she's rather sickly
- they have little problems (kind of a quaint easy going journey) until the old man dies at some point, granddaughter is left all alone trying to finish the quest.

You can always start little and go big, maybe pull a Gene Wolfe. In Short Sun, the MC apparently takes on a small quest (which would conclude stuff left open from the previous series) and shit just escalates all around him.

>>10830387
>they have little problems (kind of a quaint easy going journey) until the old man dies at some point.
way ahead of you on that one.

For the other stuff I already know what his craft is and it's not really something that could cause a conflict. Basically it's a handful of sacred cooking techniques that could allow a skilled chef to feed an army with a single grain of rice:
very useful for maintaining supply lines and it means essential farmers are now available and cheaper to draft into service

redpill me on Jack Vance

should i get treason?

>>10830055
This was written by a 14-year old right?

>>10830479
Fuck off you meme cocksucker.

Trying to write Multiple first person P.O.V for my novel, And I'm having trouble setting up their own voices.

A kind anon told me to give them unique quirks. Not the manic pixie girl quirks, more like, character A has crippling self-esteem issues and that's why he sometimes acts aggressively over innocuous comments. Character B had a neglectful childhood and that's why they're clingy.


I appreciate his advice, but I also want to know if its feasible for narration?

Like for example, Character A Narration is a mishmash of modern words and Archaic Words in his Narration due to him trying to overcompensate for his family poorer background compare to his peers/friends?

>>10830735
Don't do this for Heaven's sake, it always turns out shit. If you do, have 3 characters tops.

>>10830737
I'm writing only for 3. Anything else is a bit excessive

Downloads: http://b-ok.org/s/?q=Childhood%27s+End

>>10830735
>more like, character A has crippling self-esteem issues and that's why he sometimes acts aggressively over innocuous comments. Character B had a neglectful childhood and that's why they're clingy.
Or, God forbid, you actually write characters that aren't mentally or emotionally fucked.

>>10829895
Not in our case. Genre fiction and especially SF&F is something that most people on /lit/ despise, thus having 10 threads instead of 1 would lead to huge amounts of shitposting. On a board like /lit/ that's not prone to spawn generals it's absolutely fine.

>>10830364
He's on the way to become one of the big names, an official translation will probably turn up sooner or later.

>>10830735
What this anon said>>10830858

Nobody will want to read your novel because they want to read characters that are just like them. And what I mean by this is that they want to read a character has an idealized life, makes friends with no effort, the world revolves around them, everyone is giving them paise, They can do no wrong, they are always right.

Your novel is bound to fail if you keep writing the way you write.

52nd for Webnovels are novels too

>>10829884
>Dragonlance edition
>Everyone ignores it
Man how fast time flies, and changes. In 90s Dragonlance reigned supreme, 1 out of 10 nicknames were Raistling etc. Yet it faded into obscurity.

Sometimes I wish it remains as such. Yeah I would love to see a game of thrones like tv series and would also love to bitch about how they butchered the lore for it but, maybe its best left alone? Even though it was designed with corporate intentions I feel that dragonlance became more homely, while Forgotten Realms even though I love it also, started as homely but became corporate. Maybe making it popular - corporate again with tv series etc will be bad for it.

Forgive my hipsterish rant but It had a strong late 80s and 90s feeling and It should belong to its time. It was the definitive Romantic literary setting in Fantasy.

For those who want to read, don't be daunted by the long list, you can read a few and stop it there yet still enjoy the world of Krynn. Just read: Dragons of Autumn Twilight , Dragons of Winter Night , Dragons of Spring Dawning Which is the main triology. Avoid Dragons of Summer Flame for now, it is not the "4th book" per se. Then move on to the legends series Time of the Twins , War of the Twins and Test of the Twins. Those six books will be more than enough

>>10829895
Hello /co/ /g/ /v/, what are you doing on lit?

>>10829955
The strain by del toro
Hull zero three
Metro 2033
Roadside picnic

>>10830002
>can't believe I forgot the name
That is why you use goodreads as a book info depo

>>10830437
So you found a way to incorporate your foodporn, flavoranon. But that sounds like part of the gunpowder junkie series (the god adam)

>>10830319
Aren't you the dude looking to make his characters an asian wise old man?

>>10831153
Would you say that someone that enjoyed Metro 2033 and it's sequels would enjoy Roadside Picnic?

>>10831073
Fuck off dragonlance anon
No one wants that dated shit writing

>>10831205
>enjoyed Metro 2033 and it's sequels
Didn't read the sequels, but I went from picnic to 2033, so I assume the reverse is also possible.

I've been reading through a sword-and-sorcery sampler I found on Amazon, and (aside from the Fritz Lieber story I'd already read) so far my favorite story was the one about Jirel of Joiry.

Is there a recommended reading order for those stories?

>>10831268
There's not that many stories, just read them in the order they're published.

Halfway through The Sword of the Lictor and I'm really struggling to continue.
It's not the complexity of BotN's narrative structure I'm having trouble with, but rather the dullness of Wolfe's prose. It lacks the lurid excitement of his pulp precursors or the sensual lyricism of the best of literary fiction. Sure, it's interesting when Wolfe really stretches his imagination and does something far-out and inventive (eg. the encounter with the Alzabo), but otherwise it's drily utilitarian. I suppose some of the fault lies in Wolfe's choice of form, the book is narrated by a character who isn't exactly filled with the wonder of his predicament.
I understand that to fully comprehend BotN one must apply an exegetic reading, but that doesn't serve to make the narrative any more interesting and instead reduces it to some form of literary Rubik's cube. The numerous intertextual digressions throughout (Talos' play, the brown book's fairty-tales) are especially guilty of this and are honestly pretty boring.
It seems like in order to really appreciate stuff you have to buy into the literary game that Wolfe is playing with the reader, and I genuinely know if I can be assed to get of the bench and be one of his team players.

>>10831281
>google it
>there's only six
Aw, that sucks.

>>10831304
I have not read them all but the last one is said to suck, if I remember correctly it's some kind of team up with a noir detective created by the authors' spouse.

>>10829975
Dorcas is also clearly hot as well as being quite a handful in the sack.

>>10831327
>some kind of team up with a noir detective created by the authors' spouse
I think it's a team up with the author's other character but her spouse helped write the particular story.

>>10829919
I don't have one. Recommend me some books where I might end up with one if I read them.

>>10830357
Childhood's End
The High Crusade
Too Like The Lightning

My favorite fantasy is Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser, the Magicians trilogy, and ASOIAF.

Please recommend me some sci-fi I might like.

>>10831286
That's fair enough, Wolfe's prose is not everybody's cup of tea. I see what you're saying about the stories within stories. Those only became interesting to me upon the re-read. Talos' play especially, since you need the perspective of knowing the entire story before you really see the point of that.

Honestly on my first read of BotNS what kept me going was anticipation for the next "woah" moment (such as the garden of endless sleep and the averns, the underground cavern with man-apes, the library, or like you said the alzabo..) rather than his prose or the plot.

Quite an unusual experience, as typically with novels I'm drawn in by the narrative or even just the prose e.g. with Fitzgerald and Nabokov.

anything like this?
basically wacky space adventures?
read all of alan blacks stuff and i liked it. this particularly had a hitchhikers guide vibe to it.

>>10831411
can also be wacky fantasy adventures. im not picky.

>>10831073
I've been very impressed with the characterization through the entire series. I think a lot of its length is due to that and they don't really cut anyone out.

>>10831411
>>10831414
The Stainless Steel Rat. Read in order of release even though it's not in-universe chronological.

The first thing he does is literally drop a safe on a robot cop and it just gets wilder from there.

>>10831430
read that already. also read hard luck hank and waldo rabbit.
enjoyed them all pretty much. though i thought stainless steel rat was inconsistent in the narrative. enjoyable nonetheless.

>>10831340
Here you go anon

>>10831073
I picked up a copy of Dragonlance The Annotated Chronicles, but it kept putting me to sleep, so I never finished. Perhaps I need to get the normal version to keep in the zone without being tempted to read notes.

Anyone else really enjoy Dhamon Grimwulf's story arc?

>>10831420
I agree, most "high fantasy" (i.e. rpg type settings) characters were quite superhero like, Drizzt, Elminster et al. Dragonlance emphasized on the weaknesses the doubts the bad side of the "good" ones.
Sure it seems cliche now but back then I would say it was quite revolutionary
>>10831515
If you read the annotation you would realise that they were under "corporate" guidelines as I said above.

The entire novel was supposed to be a complimentary for the dragonlance ad&d modules and it shows. But after the first book the authors got more leeway due to its surprising success (even surpassing the module) and tthey had more freedom in the 2nd and 3rd novels, alongside the legens.
Not many people know that dragonlance is originally designed a 12 (iirc) module campaign that you can actually play. But as I said interestingly the novels shine. Which I attribute to the authors, Weiss over Hickman

>>10831411
The High Crusade. Small group of medieval christian crusaders wage intergalactic war with a large space empire.

I was gonna post this in a /critque/ thread but I figured i'd get better opinions from you lot as you're my target audience (stinky sci-fi fans)

I'm writing the hunger games but racist, give me some opinions on what I have down so far. If you find mistakes it's not edited yet and i'm also a brainlet so don't bully me or i'll go on a shooting spree

https://pastebin.com/xZhYeGAh

>>10831555
>The High Crusade
looks neato. thanks.

>>10831530
I actually liked that first trilogy. I felt it could have been reduced greatly but it grew on me. Then I read a synopsis of his continuation in his next trilogy and got disappointed that he 1) didn't really have any contribution to the greater story and 2) led a life full of negative unfortunate circumstances for no reason. Poor guy.

>>10831532
Yea, everybody has pros and flaws, and I love reading their thought processes.

>>10831565
The most obvious problem with your prose is that it is the deepest shade of purple.
The whole piece is clunky and overwrought, ever paragraph is one needlessly wordy run on sentence. And amongst all those words not much is really happening, it's just a load of navel gazing.
In your attempt to write in an affected and unique voice much of what you've written barely even makes. Put away the thesaurus naturally, don't force it!
I'm not gonna comment on the plot because it's hard to even discern in that mess of a word salad you've served up.

>>10831667
yeah i'm pretty verbose
I try to emulate gene wolfe but it's preddy hard

Did you like any of it all?

Does the Malazan series have the most obnoxious fanbase?

>>10831674
Wolfe writes in a pretty unaffected voice, he isn't nearly as florid as /sffg/ seems to think he is.
Like I said, it's hard to discern what's going on since your writing is so over the top. Get to editing.
And use a fucking period or two holy shit.

>>10831692
Fine i'll use some dots ree
The overarching plot is that 1/3 of humanity colonised space, 1/3 regressed into africa tier primitive behaviour and 1/3 just stayed modern day first world

The plot of the book is 3 characters during a different period of time in the world

One woman lives before the world went to shit, the guy lives in the present in the third world and the other woman lives in space

Space people visit earth for a holiday, a mixture of going to the zoo and visiting your old shit neighborhood and in chapter 2 she is getting interviewed by the guy who lives in the first
world

Space girl has ulterior motives, the guy is documenting the world as it is now (he visits the primal people in the third chapter) and that's about all i've written

I hate the first chapter tbqh

Heinlein, Clarke or Asimov?

>>10831745
All three friendo

>>10831716
I'm gonna give you some more precise criticism which you can apply to the whole piece by looking at the first paragraph.
Immediately you claim your character is witnessing refracted light when I feel you mean reflected. Refracted implies the light is passing through the water which means it would only be visible if your character was under the water or if the water was especially clear.
You attempt to apply metaphor to the brook by anthropomorphising it, but I feel your metaphors are mixed. You mention the visual of light but then claim that this light is moved by the sound of brook murmuring. I don't really see how spoken sound effects the shifting of light, this makes no sense. Your character conceptualizes the whole thing as if it were a mouth and likens it to that of a TV celebrities teeth. Why? Why would they be thinking of that particular metaphor at that moment? It feels very forced. like your really searching for something to compare it too but it doesn't relate to the rest of your characters thought process.
There is also the obviously grammatical problem here too that this entire paragraph is one giant run on sentence.

I'm no Nabokov or Fitzgerald or whatever, but I feel I could rewrite this whole paragraph in one sentence:

'The curved and glittering brook called to mind the unnatural effervescence of TV celebrity smiles.'

Bam! Still not great since I don't see the point of the metaphor you're trying to make, but hopefully you can see what I'm getting at. Cut the purple prose shit and write naturally. You're not impressing anyone.

>typical elitist malazerg
>You either like it or it's ok that you don't get it.

>>10831759
I was going for the character seeing the water as if it was a celebrity as it's a famous brook (need to put this in the chapter) and it looks as if it knows it's famous, which makes her think back to when she felt like she was a superstar albeit in her little community because now she's just old and tormented by existentialist malaise like everyone else

I'll edit it and post it again later, hopefully you'll be around to give me your opinion again. I wrote most of it drunk hence the rambling but that's not an excuse obviously

>>10831716
If you want to make it actually like Africa, you should read some history and anthropology about Africa.

>>10831778
You should also establish where your character is, especially at the beginning of a story. They're beside a brook obviously, but where is the brook? Brook is specific and implies a pastoral scene, but it's equally as possible your character is in a forest as they are someone's backyard.

>>10831392
Pale Fire and BotNS are pretty similar, only in Pale Fire Kinbote's insanity shines in a different way.

>>10831785
I'm just making them generic grass skirt wearing savages except as they used to be 'normal' africans they are slightly more intelligent and use a more westernised form of voodoo. They hang pictures up of people they know or used to know in cracked frames nailed to trees if they wish do a ritual about the person and stuff like that
>>10831788
Will do
Gonna get some beers in and hope for inspiration :^)

>>10831797
>I'm basing my society on Africa!
>Except they don't actually resemble anything like actual Africans

>>10831797
>I'm just making them generic grass skirt wearing savages except as they used to be 'normal' africans they are slightly more intelligent and use a more westernised form of voodoo. They hang pictures up of people they know or used to know in cracked frames nailed to trees if they wish do a ritual about the person and stuff like that
Hunting and gathering actually requires a bit of nuance and careful strategizing as well as detailed, localized forms of knowledge. If you're just going for silly pulp that's fine but if you want anything more than that, you're going to want to do some research on how hunter-gatherers live, and also on modern Africa so you can figure out what's happened between now and when your story starts.

>>10831745
>>10831751
But in this order:
>clarke
>heinlein
>asimov

>>10831797
Also, Voodoo has a theology as complex as Catholicism.

>>10831806
simmer down Tyrone
>>10831809
Forgot how liberal /lit/ was
Don't take it personally, i'm basing them upon stereotypical africans who chuck spears, not modern day africans with ak47s and flaming tires

>>10831565
>The light refracted through the water as if with every sound the brook murmured, it caused light to appear like iridescent flashes of bright, healthy teeth, falling in and out of sight as if the small waves were lips, lips that hid and revealed the glory of a lazy smile that teased and dazzled, charming hollywood narcissism woven into the mild waves that obeyed the beck and call of the Moon.
>racist hunger games
You have to be 18 to post on this site, my man. Work on writing a basic fucking sentence before you jump into this batshit idea of yours.

>>10831286
Last straw.
Filtering everything book of the new sun related.

>>10831843
hey it's not actually racist hunger games, i'm just messing about

>>10831435
>waldo rabbit.
Sell me on this.

>>10831286
Quit while you're ahead if you can't dig it.

>>10831867
it doesnt take itself seriously much.
mc is a dark mage who cant use dark magic. his mom is basically a cold hearted sorceress dominatrix, his brother is a zombie who tries to kill him and his sister is a ghost trapped in a mirror who likes mind games.
because hes such a colossal fuck-up in dark magic the ruling families send him out on a quest where needs to capture 3 monsters, kill a knight and steal a dragons egg or he wont be able to inherit his moms position. among his companions is a chaste succubus, a gay ogre and other odd people.
its a fun read but it really isnt anything serious at all. dont wanna mention more cause most of the comedy stems from weird situations and the characters interacting with each other.

>>10831855
>>10831565
>>10831674
>>10831716
>>10831778
>>10831797
>>10831823
I told you fuckers to be proactive in getting them out. Now look what happened.
It has metastasized and is spreading.

>>10831893
Hmm. might read then shill with super sales if it's good.

>>10831855
Well, I'm going to tell you something. Not trying to be mean when I say this, but it's true.
No one gives a shit about your idea, no one cares your world either. Your idea doesn't mean shit if you don't have the skill to write it out. Again, not trying to be a dick, but it's true. And if the piece of writing you posted is all you've written, it's not enough to even discuss. Just write, and in your case, write simply and plainly until you get the hang of it. You say you're trying to emulate Wolfe, but you're not good enough to understand what he's doing and why it works (and even for him, he's sort of an acquired taste).
Come back when you hit 40k or 50k+ and talk about it. Whatever your idea is, it probably will have changed dramatically by then, anyway.

>>10831893
>chaste succubus
>gay ogre

>>10831919
she aint chaste for long :^)

>>10831924
I'm not much into literary fetishism. The idea itself is funny.

>>10831930
the basic idea is she didnt know she was a succubus and has been raised as human and thus has moral values.
this leads to a lot of funny situations when she does find out that she is a succubus.

>>10831924
Downloading
Women giving up their dreams and goals and admitting defeat is my fetish

>>10831936
its not erotica.
and its not that way at all.

>>10831918
Scifi is more about ideas than worlds anyway. Een Dune is more about higher concepts than the universe itself.

>>10831933
Is it a tad Discworld-ish?

>>10831948
not really though it shares some of the situational humor but nothing beyond that.

>>10831942
>>10831942
>Scifi is more about ideas than worlds anyway
Yes. But they write it in such a way that people care about it. Your lines of text spewed upon a word processor is shit, lacks coherent logic and thought, and is uninteresting.

>>10831959
Cool. Might give it a shot.

>>10831942
You still have to be able to write somewhat competently, though. You can get away with subpar or dry prose if other aspects are strong enough to carry it, but it has to be readable. at least.

>>10831964
I am not that guy, he seems more interested in the universe than concepts and ideas.

>>10831847
big if true

>>10829941
Try the stuff by Paolo Bacigalupi, like "Pump Six and other Stories". Depressing as hell, but feels uncomfortably realistic.

>>10829955
>Any good sci-fi/horror?
"Swan Song" by Robert McCammon.

>>10832100
Isn't that a knockoff of the swan story from the grimm brothers?
>fucking and killing your sister?

>>10831936
That's a patrician fetish my man.

>kid from our world finds out about a magical secondary world
What are some good kid's lit that do this? Pic related.

>>10832144
I dont think it has anything to to with any Grimm brother's fairy tale. It is a really wild story.

>>10832795
There are the Narnia stories by CS Lewis. And Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass by Lewis Carroll.

>>10832795
A little under the radar YA but The Girl Who Circumnavigated Fairyland in a Ship of Her Own Making is quite good

>>10832795
alice in wonderland

>>10831197
I admit I kinda got the idea from the first book (never did finish it) but for the most part it's a spot inspiration. The power in this case is neither my old idea nor that one but it has some similarities to both. I still want to figure out a way to use the original but this will do for now

also, yes, that was me. I think I'm just going to make the setting ambiguous so it's not clear if its the real world or not.

>>10832795
The underland chronicles. Dear god the underland chronicles. Best epic fantasy of my childhood.

>>10832942
Valente right? I've loved her other work but is that the sort of book you can read past childhood?

>>10831823
Post your rejection letters if you get that far

>>10829955
do you mean scifi AND horror or scifi OR horror?

If its the latter I'd recommend What The Hell Did I Just read. It's part of a series but you don't need to read them in any order

>>10832942
pretty boring but it had an good twist

>>10831411
Hard Luck Hank all the way. the audiobook is especially good, maybe the best performance i ever heard.

>>10833417
>Hard Luck Hank
>originally published 2013
So going by the cover its a modern scifi pulp harem novel?

>>10832795
The Subtle Knife by Based Phil

>>10832795
Library at mount char

so this is the power of reddit...

>>10833303
>scifi AND horror
this

>>10833698
he's just asking for something like Wolfe, just in a weird, overblown way. not the worst request/pretentious reddit post I've seen.

>>10829895
I’m actually really happy that sffg stays in their thread, and I’m also happy they have a place here at all.

>>10830002
The Soul Cycle series

>>10831359
Undying Mercenaries and Galaxy's Edge

>>10831411
Rex Nihilo

>>10831683
ASOIAF fanbase is worse.

>>10833681
>Library at mount char
>kid lit
>rape murder and buggery
>kid friendly

>>10832795
The Wizard Knight

I know that D&D was mostly inspired by sword and sorcery, but is there any decent fantasy that actually stars a team of 4-5 characters who are substantially weaker than your average s&s hero, crawling into holes full of horrible monsters in order to try and steal their shit, a la early D&D?

>>10833681
lmafo it works based mount char spammer

>>10834045
Library at mount char

>>10834457
I don't believe you.
Don't quit your day job Scott-san.

>>10830012
>>10833681
>>10834457
Currently 1/4th into this. Should I keep going?

I think... I think I was I memed into reading it?
Please. I need answers.

>>10834515
>he got memed
all we do here is trick people into reading weird and shitty books.

/sffg/ I have a request
I'm through all the books in the general and selected and flowcharts,
and through most if not all the bibliographys of the corresponding authors

I'm now looking for an entryway to broaden my scope beyond those classics and considering goodreads as a guide

any pointers? it seems to be sjw infested in those reviews which i did sample of some books I really enjoyed :-S

sorry for bad english
germanfag

i loved the mars trilogy,i want to get aurora but is a bit expensive, any recommendations?

>>10834533
>and considering goodreads as a guide
I'd recommend any books that have reviews complaining about the writer's political beliefs. If all they can muster up is bitching and whining about the writer being a conservative then chances are the book is good.

>>10834561
possibly, yes, this occured to me also after having flipped through some recommended books with splendid reviews, one of the best-liked had a comment asking if it would pick up after 30 pages - to which the response was a promise that yes, it would, and it would have political commentary and be worth the read for that ( black slave magician finding woman wizard in a not!England fantasysetting as per synopse )

>>10834533
What have you read that you liked? If you read the "crash course" chart books in particular.

>>10834533
Award lists can be another good resource if you haven't read all of them yet.

>>10834608
yeah thanks, I've been looking through award lists starting from the 70s ,there's some good collections for that on a relatively huge german filesharing board

>>10834604
well, this is not easily answered. having checked my eBook library for the last two years I've gone through some 400 books in that timeframe. there's loads I liked, and just broaching my preferences is not a small list, neither is my dispreferences. Being some kind of independently wealthy gives me some liberty to divulge in my reading habit.

I'll try to go into some stuff:

> Gene Wolfe
I rather enjoyed, but hated at the same time. Most of his works lack a proper heroes journey or proper struggle with clearly defined antagonists and four part storystructure - his worldbuilding is great though and so is most of his prose. at the same time I found that most of Torturers Apprentice was enough to gauge where the story was going ( cyclical nature of events and timetravelstuff ), with the following three books doing essentially nothing to upset expectations - instead sword of the lictor, blabla of the autarch and book of the new sun felt like a strategy game after a certain point: outcome had been clear and this was just mop up with the feeling of a history book.

I did like all of the Black company Novels, although they lost alot of steam in the end with a highpoint somewhere around the middle where the later Ghostchronicler is narrating

prince of thorns et al had some shock value and worldbuilding with crazy concepts in the first book and then retread most of that stuff, with the "storytwists" being hidden by omission instead of proper mystery ( much in the vain dan brown commits travesties in storytelling by going "... what he saw then changed his life forever", to then spend 3 chapters elsewhere and return back to the "lifechanging event" - but refusing to just tell the reader what that event was. )

I lovehate C J Cherry(spelling?), with some of her stuff being dribble ( most of her larger connected fantasy stuff ), some of it good ( most of her standalone fantasy ), some of it great ( the company wars ) but going horribly bad later on

Possibly:

Asimov is my all time favourite.
His Storytelling is Honest in such a way as he shares all info with the reader, and I usually found myself following the reasoning his characters go through.

His Works are mostly exciting - via the suspension of figuring out whats going on alongside his characters - even though actionwise little is happening

Second to that is Heinlein, but that's possibly because I used to be a military man mysefl and I can relate to that specific mental insanity of his which is essentially an obsession and glorification of authoritarianism mostly

>>10834655
addendum

I also lovehate M John Harrison and actually prefer the german translations to his original english prose,

the same goes for the old mans war universe of scalzi, both of those are examples of a translator with a brain and editorial work done for a translation of actually improving a work of fiction

>>10833745
Sorry then. Wish I could help

>>10834533
If you're trying to broaden your scope why are you offhandedly dismissing anything you don't agree with? I hate to be that guy, but it seems counter-intuitive

>>10834524
>trick people into reading weird and shitty books.
Botns being the main one

>>10834655
Haven't posted this in a while. I might recommend the Demu Trilogy and, as you're looking for oddments, Busby's "The Breeds of Man" (science experiment gone wrong in children) might entice.
Be warned I have no taste and adore Cherryh.

>>10834655
I was gonna call you a pleb and a major cocksuck but you're too earnest and articulate. To be fair, Loboe is a niche within a niche, an acquired taste if you will. It took me some time to get into his style too, but when I did I was completely taken in.

I have no idea what's in the chart albeit having been here for a while, but you seem to need to read more in the genre before you actually get to the harder stuff.

>goodreads
Don't bother, that's just fuel for /outerlit/ tards' autistic rage.

Go for Herbert's bibliography. You already read Dune I assume, so go for Destination Void, White Plague, Dossadi Experiment, Dragon in the Sea, etc. Move on to our gal Ursula LeGuin, she's a nice mix of character feefees, ideas and plot.

The true test is Dick. If you like PKD you'll very likely drench yourself in scifi of all genres and types because although he does not hold the influence Asimov, Clarke and Asimov on the genre, his ideas and style are some of the deepest and dreadfully existential stuff you'll ever read.

You seem to enjoy fantasy, which I generally avoid so I can't tell you shit about that.

>>10834903
I'm the guy reading Library at Mount Char and /lit/ "tricked" me into reading Wolfe. Best thing that ever happened desu. Not so with this one, I guess. I just read the line
>truly epic sex
which wasn't the first one of questionable developments. Hence my asking what the fuck am I reading.

where do i start with guy gavriel kay?

>>10834903
Tell me where you live so I can come over and slap you with my edition of Sword of the Lictor™.

>>10834939
Getting memed into reading shit and then memeing others into reading the same shit is a long standing /sffg/ tradition. I both complain about and praise Broken Empire so people hopefully suffer through that garbage but my conscience is clear.

>>10834981
I don't think it's really like that. Some people just have shit taste.
I read Prince of Thorns in 2011 and, after posting how shitty it was, a few anons actually defended it for a while.

>>10834561
>If all they can muster up is bitching and whining about the writer being a conservative then chances are the book is good.
>endless bitching about authors who are slightly left of center

lol physician heal thy self

>>10835047
Is that the book that started with a retarded teenager that cowed grown men with dark evil looks and etc

>>10835125
yup

>>10835125
Yes. He is an edgy teenager not a retarded one tho. It makes no sense either way and it was clear the idiot that wrote it tried to do Blood Meridian in an unexplicable post-nuclear war fantasy setting that makes no sense, doesn't work and he made a fucking mess of it all.

>>10835105
>lol feel the wrath of thy strawman!

>>10835287
Reading goodreads reviews is like reading imdb reviews for a film you really like: you only do it if you want to work yourself into a state of permarage. I do it before I work out

>>10835295
>I do it before I work out

holy shit sick life hack

>>10835302
I tried to do that by lurking on /pol/, /tv/ and /r9k/ but I just got into laughing fits.

>>10835287
so are you the one who whines constantly about rothfuss' political views or the one who whines constantly about scalzi's political views?

>>10835295
Reviews for SFF stuff in general are shit regardless of the source, because generally the only people reviewing them are fans who will be automatically predisposed to like the book.

4-5 stars: the reader is more than likely a diehard genre fiction fan and would have only rated the book lower if it was on fire or printed on shards of broken glass

3 stars: You'll occasionally find a critical review here, but this is mainly the above group giving "other than the complete lack of editing and the author's misunderstanding of basic human emotions it was great!" reviews.

1-2 stars: The reviewer mistook the story for being in another genre and was confused by the lack of dragons in a scifi story, the book was written in first person perspective but they prefer third person, the reviewer misunderstood a basic premise of the concept ("why are there all these soldiers in a military scifi novel?!?"), etc.

See also: video game review scores.

>>10830005

SCP-93

A massive coalition of the souls/bodies of people purified by a theocracy in the tears of Him, a "God" that came from beyond their dimension and uses a weird system of portals through mirrors to spread like a virus spreading war throughout the multiverse.

>>10835342
To be fair Rothfuss and Scalzi aren't particularly good writers and have been on a meltdown sperg for a while now. Rothfuss is a weird fuck either way, who goes out of his house looking like the unholy eidolon of a mixture between Robbie Coltrane and a rabid honey badger and is fine mentally?

>>10835342
>nynaeve_tugged_her_brain.jpg

I agree. Genre art is for niche enthusiasts and the rest are on unfamiliar ground and utterly lost when faced with it.

>>10835342
>so are you the one who whines constantly about rothfuss' political views or the one who whines constantly about scalzi's political views?
There's a difference between insulting a writer for his political views on a message board (especially when he injects those views into his work) and writing negative reviews about a writer's books on a book review site based entirely on his political views and not the actual book itself.

>>10833745
>5.45
Absolutely shit tier. I would dump her immediately.

>>10835441
And yet I would be a rich man if I had a dime for every time I've seen people go "no you need to look past the author's views!" for Lovecraft (especially hilarious considering how much his racism drove some of the stories) or Fedora C. Wright or whoever the redpilled libtriggering darling of the month is, and then turn around and whine about how dare those liberal authors inject their views into their work, the perfidious SJWs, and so on and so on.

>>10835576
>Everyone who dislikes liberal authors that inject their views into their work also like Lovecraft and Fedora C. Wright
>LMAO you stoooooopid XDDD
nice strawman

>>10835576
>more strawmen
Just give up already.

>>10834533
>considering goodreads as a guide
Go to the books you really like and read reviews until you find one you agree with. Visit that persons profile and see if their taste in books align with yours. If yes, pick books from their favourites.

>>10835576
Stop replying to them, they're incapable of both self-awareness and making a point that doesn't come across as the whiny half-coherent ramblings of a spoiled autistic nerd.

>>10835576
>>10835695
>samefagging

>>10835342
To be fair, there are legit reviews for SFF. You just have to do some digging to get through the ROFLOMGAWESEOME-reviews. Filtering out anyone that write like a 16 year old is a good start.

>>10835576
>>10835600
>>10835675
Take your stupid ass "discussion" somewhere else.

>>10835282
You just proved you dropped it at the first book. You have no right to comment further on the books.

>>10835943
Never implied otherwise. The first book was shit, why would I bother with the rest?

what hurt more, dorcas leaving or terminus est breaking?

>>10836325
Terminus Est, as it was almost a part of Sev. Dorcas had to go her own way sooner or later anyway.

What should I read today, lads?

I finished BOTNS a few months ago but I just got Urth. Should I jump right into it or should I reread the series (which I’ve been planning on doing anyway) first?

>>10836352
botns

>>10836424
The general advice is to read Urth after you've read BotNS the second time.

>>10836325
Sev jr. dying and in such a fashion. I assumed his death and Typhon's awakening are related, right?

What do I read for more Hyperion vibes?

>>10836507
Canticle for Leibowitz
BotNS(not memeing)
Memoirs of Hadrian

>>10836507
Library at mount char

>>10836575
I’ve read Canticle. Not sure if I’d compare it to Hyperion really, but I guess I can see where you could.

I’ll prob check out Memoirs, since it seems interesting, although I don’t really see the comparison in that one as well.

>>10836352

>>10836619
It's more about the feel of the thing than the themes and motifs themselves if that makes any sense. The more lasting impression of a book or film or whatever are the emotions it awakens in you. I sensed Hyperion the same way I sensed MoH and Leibowitz. There's this overbearing weight of history and the ever changing world and a sort of camaraderie in solitude I always get from them. I got that from Dune Messiah too.

Does anyone have this memerino but for fantasy authors? I know I've seen it before.

>>10836665

Okay, I can dig you on that.

>>10836699
Right anyone want to help make this for /sffg/

Need sci-fi about viruses

>>10836793
Sanderson, Rothfuss, GRRM, Tolkien, Rowling, Gaiman, Le Guin, Hobb, atwood, Abercrombie, Lynch and Pratchet on Normal.
Dinosaurs not yet mentioned, Mark Lawrence, Scott Bakker (possibly normal) on Outsider. Heinlein either on Outsider or weird, depending on the book.
That >this is what /sffg/ want cat fiction on Outcast.

>>10836793
I can't think of any way for it not to be utterly stupid.

>>10836793
>>10836864
Those shitty harem rpg books should probably be on That Guy or Outcast, depending on how much sex there is.

>>10836793
>>10836864
R. A. Lafferty right down at the bottom, obviously

>>10836864
If enjoying literature wherein the feline mistress of the house relaxes with a bit of sensual massage in the nude as administered by her human slave is wrong, then I don't want to be right.

>>10836897
Neither do I friend, neither do I.

People actually like this absolute pile of donkey dick?

>>10836801
White Plague
Andromeda Strain

>>10836955
>dissing donkeys

They are cute animals. I used to ride my grandpa's donkey when I was a kid, coolest fucking thing ever.

>>10836989
I'm sure you rode that thing raw

>>10837037
>riding a cooked donkey

>>10836793
At the bottom levels should be R.A. laffertey, Daniel F. Galouye, and Robert Moore Williams.
I would put Poul Anderson in the weird level.

Am I a brainlet for thinking ASOIAF is actually pretty good and interesting and if it weren’t for the TV series it would be pretty enjoyed and respected here?

>>10836989
>playing cave explorer with your grandpa
the absolute state

>>10837237
No

>>10834958
>where do i start with guy gavriel kay?
The Lions of Al-Rassan is pure historical quasi fiction. A Song for Arbonne incorporates some fantastical elements. Both books are really good.

>>10834958
>>10837251
tigana for those fiery hot passions

>>10834958
Sarantine Mosaic

>>10837237
>Am I a brainlet for thinking ASOIAF is actually pretty good and interesting and if it weren’t for the TV series it would be pretty enjoyed and respected here?
No, though I'm skeptical it wouldn't be shit on here because it was quite popular before the TV series and 4chan is hopelessly contrarian.

>>10837237
It's decent, among the better series when it comes to epic fantasy. However, GRRM dying soon and the series never being finished makes it not really worth reading.

>>10837053
Made me giggle/10

>>10837305
Just pretend it ends after AFFC with the seven kingdoms tearing themselves apart and Euron Crow's Eye ruling as king of the ashes for about six months before the Others take everything.

>>10834515
Yeah, the end is fantastic.

Has anyone here ever read any of The Second Apocalypse series by R. Scott Bakker? This feels like the right thread for philosophical fantasy. I've never talked with anyone who's read it before. :(

>>10837860
The Prince of Nothing Series is the King of GRI Novels. New Anon.
Of course we've read it.

>>10837952
Forgive me but am definitely new here. What is GRI?

>>10837981
gay, rape, and incest. its sort of a measure of quality around here.

Is there anything that's basically a reverse Twilight (female vampire, male human) but better-written?

I need a pale nocturnal grillfrend with super-strength.

>reading Foundation and Empire
>"wow, it's interesting how these events unfold. I wonder what happens next?"
>Chapter 18: FALL OF THE FOUNDATION

holy SHIT

Seriously this book is SO much better than the first one. That one started promising but ended up feeling kind of bland and pointless.
Also good on Asimov to finally introduce actual dramatic stakes into the middle of the second novel, instead of just "lol just as predicted by psychohistory".

I haven't read further than that chapter, pls don't spoil

>>10838070
The first one was originally just a series of short stories published in magazines, he had to keep returning to the same idea that the whole thing was predicted so readers wouldn't be lost

>>10838070
my favorite tidbit of possibly canon lore was that the reason there are no ayy lmaos in the foundation galaxy was that the robots of the far past (and robots series) exterminated all alien life to prevent potential harm to humans

>>10838070
Honestly, I found Foundation and Empire almost as boring as Foundation. Second Foundation is in turn somewhat better than Foundation and Empire but in my eyes they're only worth reading because of their influence on the sci-fi genre as a whole.

>>10837981
>What is GRI?
Pic related

>>10837991
I feel like there was more to it than that, but I guess in the end that's why we're all here and not Reddit. Anything you'd recommend that's on the same scale in terms of world building, history, and politics? Fantasies that are more character focused with the magic play sort of in the background?

>>10838112
where is the gri approved chart you promised months ago you double faggot.

I read ASOIAF (aside from the most recent one) years ago. A few friends really like it. So I'm thinking of rereading them.

Will I get more out of it if I read Dunk & Egg and the history of Westeros books and all that first?

>>10834958
you don't, he's as overrated as GRRM.

>>10838376
i like Dunk & Egg more than the main series. short stories are GRRM's wheelhouse tbf

>>10838401
I watched a few fan theory videos about weird Lovecraftian shit going on beneath the surface and honestly it was more interesting than ASOIAF or GOT to me.

I wish there were more fantasy authors who were willing to go weird.

anyone read Redick's "Master Assassins" yet? Supposed to be really good

>>10838440
if they're talking about some of the stuff in the Lands of Ice & Fire, some of that is of dubious canonicity or just in there to be a literary reference. it's also "here be dragons" territory even in-universe, the way that the maps are designed are intended to be a nod to actual medieval cartography.
i would take anything beyond the Five Forts with a grain of salt.

>>10838492
>epic fantasy
>first book in a series
>just out
How about no? I'll might look at it once it's finished.

>>10838527
fair, I'm also a bit hesitant about splashing $15 before getting more feedback

>>10838440
Check out the Wolfhound Century series by Peter Higgins. It's about a Siberian cop in a now-industrialized Fantasy Russia that gets called to Moscow to hunt down a terrorist, but gradually things get pretty weird as the story goes on.

>>10838554
>space angels
It was fun and infuriating at the same time.

>>10838632
The impression I got was that the "angels" were actually some kind of biological space ships or space-faring life forms.

>>10838730
They were ayyy lmao angels

>>10838121
Stormlight Archive and the Malazan books seem to be on the scale you are asking for, but they have more magic (Stormlight starts off slow, with magic being almost forgotten in the world though). Those both suggestions are different however, as they have their own distinct tones and feeling. Bakker seems to have his own style.

Or you could check out the Discworld books. That's more than three dozen tomes of character foused world building, history and politics.

>>10836895
>>10837230
is Lafferty good btw or just a meme?

>>10829884
My dad had this lying around. I'll give it a shot

>>10839316
>tfw your progeny finds the "special" sff

>>10838949
Are you pointless btw or just a meme?

>>10839397
Yea he has all these ones too. I never read them, the covers were nice though

>>10839451
kek

>>10830016
But I am, anon. Earned like a cool $3.37 in royalties

>>10839599
Only $10 to go author-san

>>10836699
Level 1 'Normal pleb'

Tolkein, Pratchett, Jordan, Sanderson, GRRM

Level 2 'Outsider'
Howard, Leiber, Moorcock, LeGuin, Gavriel Kay. An awful lot more in here.

Level 3 'Weird'
Wolfe, Poul Anderson, Bakker, Peake, Silverberg, Vance, Tanith Lee

Level 4 'That guy'
Clark Ashton Smith, C.L. Moore, Lord Dunsany, Lin Carter, Sprague De Camp, K.E. Wagner.

Level 5 'Outcast'

GOR, unreprinted 70s paperback anthologies, Heavy Metal Magazine, web novels, pornographic fanfiction, litRPGS

>>10839740
Level 6
Bakker dinnerplate fanfic, Gor spiderplant memes, Sumerian proto myths

>>10839929
Alternatively:
Enchanted tableware fanfic, Gorean horticultural stories, Sumerian ejaculation myths

>>10839929
I have a feeling it could get a lot weirder if we can include other mediums. The glut of 1980s home computer text adventures come to mind.

>>10840010
Sure, but I've never actually played Leather Goddesses From Phobos.

>>10840015
>>10840015
Me neither, but I suspect the rabbit hole of interactive fiction is very deep and narrow when considering bedroom programmers and hobbyists, and that's just in the West. I'd still put stuff like GOR memes below it - but who knows exactly what all those bedroom programmers back then were writing.

>>10839929
dont forget: magic the gathering flavor text,
warhammer wiki databases

>>10836699
>>10836793
The secret to these is to be as arbitrary and inclusive as possible, so don't rush it.

L1: King, Cook, Lynch, Miyabe, Paolini, Grossman, Levin

L2: Erikson, Eddison

L3: Delany

L5/L6: D&D campaign books, canceled De Laurentiis scripts

>>10829884
Anyone have some good standalone fantasy recs?

>>10840139
Warbreaker, sort of.
It's part of the cosmere, so technically it's not a standalone, but it is an isolated story in Sanderson's system, or at least as isolated as he's capable of making his books.

So. The Wrong Stars by Tim Pratt.

With the success of The Expanse the imitators were inevitable, and this is one of them. A space cop/sometimes mercenary and her crew of escapees from a Joss Whedon property find a ancient Orion-drive space ship somewhere it shouldn't be, with strange modifications, and only one of the crew left on board. Once they thaw the scientist out they get thrust into a conspiracy involving a race of space squids trying to keep humanity from finding the other, eviller aliens.

It was entertaining but tremendously derivative, and my main complaints are about the ham-fisted romance subplot (the captain falls for the scientist who we are repeatedly told is SO HOT, like the first person she meets outside of the crew is like "hey wanna go back to my place?") and repeated attempts at "inclusive worldbuilding" that was incredibly bungled, imagine a straight white nerd going "as you know jane, the future is very liberal towards sex" multiple times. Pure cringe.

So like I said, a entertaining but hardly original ripoff of The Expanse, with the protomolecule replaced by some space squids trying to hide unknowably advanced aliens from humanity. I'll rate it 3.5/5 Syfy Channel Original Movies and probably give the sequel a chance.

>>10839451
Fucking Gor man...

>>10839740
Wolfe is basically the James Joyce of SFF, he should not be below Outsider.

>>10840258
Some Gorean dude in Seattle got arrested a few years back for abducting and torturing a woman. And there have been like three or four instances in the UK where Goreans have been arrested for sex trafficking.

>>10838949
Extremely good

Is the Altered Carbon trilogy any good? Just finished the show and thinking of reading it. If I do could I jump in at the second book or is it different enough from the show that I'd be lost?

>>10840770
Yes, but do start with altered carbon. Kovacs' backstory got butchered in the show. Writing is also at its pulpiest.


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>>10838131
Come to the general more often anon.

I finished the War of Souls trilogy. Not sure how I like the ending but it works, considering the equal sacrifice. It feels like a three-book story was wrapped up in about five pages, though. It all just suddenly hit a resolution. I didn't like some of the more asspull-y concepts either, like the random draconians showing up at the end to help Sanction. I felt that the overall trilogy could have dragged ass a little less although it gives the sense that a LOT of shit is happening, especially with all the foreshadowing and perspective shifts.
I don't really care for Mina so I don't know how I'll like the next main trilogy, especially how it starts with fucking Chemosh seducing Mina. Almost makes me feel like the authors are writing just to write at this point but I have one trilogy after this one then I'm done.

>>10841009
I liked the all you zombies movie more than the book.

>>10839740
> Tanith Lee
This anon knows his shit.

>>10839451
>>10840258
>>10840273
The nubile tanned woman cringed as her owner brought forth an erect penis. "I am a nubile woman!" She cried indignantly. "How dare you sex me before my time! Guards!" She called. "Guards!"

Borin, her owner, placed one hand on his penis, and the other on the table and looked at her. "You will be fucked" he said.

"You do not dare to sex me!" laughed the woman, her oiled tan lines gleaming in the low light.

"You will be fucked," said Borin.

"Do not sex me!" wept the plant.

"You will be fucked," said Borin.

I watched this exchange. Truly, I believed the woman would be fucked. She was a woman, and on Gor she had no rights. Perhaps on Earth, in its permissive society, which distorts the true roles of all beings, which forces both woman and owner to go unhappy and constrained, which forbids the fulfillment of owner and woman, such might not happen. Perhaps there, it would not be fucked. But it was on Gor now, and would undoubtedly feel its true place, that of woman. It was female. It would be fucked at will. Such is the way with women.

Borin guided his penis, and muchly fucked the woman. The woman cried out. "No, Master! Do not fuck me!" The master continued to fuck the woman. "Please, Master," begged the tan nubile, "do not fuck me!" The master continued to fuck the woman. It was female. It could be fucked at will.

The supple female sobbed muchly as Borin extracted his penis. It was not pleased. Too, it was wet and sore. But this did not matter. It was female.

"You have been well fucked," said Borin.

"Yes," said the female, "I have been well fucked." Of course, it could be fucked by its master at will.

"I have fucked you well," said Borin.

"Yes, master," said the female. "You have fucked your woman well. I am female, and as such I should be fucked by my master."

The older woman next to the nubile supple tanned woman shuddered. She attempted to cover her small form with her small frail arms and small hands. "I am female," she said wonderingly. "I am of Earth, but for the first time, I feel myself truly womanlike. On Earth, I was able to control my fucking. I often scorned those who would fuck me. But they were weak, and did not see my scorn for what it was, the weak attempt of a small older woman to protect herself. Not one of the weak Earth owners would dare to fuck a female if she did not wish it. But on Gor," she shuddered, "on Gor it is different. Here, those who wish to fuck will fuck their women as they wish. But strangely, I feel myself most womanlike when I am at the mercy of a strong Gorean master, who may fuck me as he pleases."

"I will now fuck you," said Borin, the older woman's Gorean master.

The mature beauty did not resist being fucked. Perhaps she was realizing that such fucking was its master's to control. Too, perhaps she knew that this master was far superior to those of Earth, who would not fuck her if she did not wish to be fucked.

>>10840139
>The Barbed Girl
>now this is an interesting turn of events

are there any modern equivalents of the epic poem?

>>10841366
Aniara would probably qualify as an epic poem.

>>10841366
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epic_poems
Anon here >>10841394 is right, Aniara qualify.

>>10841073
Truly a literary masterpiece.

>>10841299

>>10839740
>Wolfe, Poul Anderson, Bakker, Peake, Silverberg, Vance, Tanith Lee
these are all pretty famous names in sff, they don't belong below level 2 except maybe Peake and Lee
>>10839740
Lord Dunsany and CAS are really famous, they're not nearly obscure enough to be level 4

>>10839740
>>10842008
Even Gor should move up one level, while not mainstream it was quite commonly read back in the day.

>>10842033
Same for Heavy Metal. It was really popular among the "geek crowd" back in the day according to my dad, since for a lot of Americans it was the first wider exposure to weirder "adult" comics like were being made in France and Belgium at the time.

And hell, they made two movies based off it.

>>10842060
heavy metal had a sort of unique appeal to boot.
the two movies were very different but the very "metal" through and through.
the second movie also got a game adaptantion that was sort of a cross of tombraider meets duke nukem and was pretty good overall. the soundtrack was really bitchin.

EXPLAIN THIS SHIT, was he in a coma all along or what?

>>10842033
>back in the day
>>10842060
>back in the day
That's the point.

>>10842060
>girl is not flawless
>moles and pigmentation
2d and literary waifus the best 3dpd

>>10842116
INCEPTION
Never read the books

>>10842116
>tfw audobook sounds like its been recorded by a skunk holding an early 2000s mp3 player with a microscopic microphone while screeching relentlessly about how humans are stupid cause their farts smell good.

why is no one taking old audiobooks and digitally remaster them. theres probably a market in there. heck you could charge a premium and fantasy fans would still gobble it up.

>>10842201
I guess people but them anyway and publishers would rather put the spotlight on their "fresh" authors.

>>10831498
>hestia
Is this about the Greek Goddess?

Outer /lit/ bullied me AGAIN

>>10842290
What did you post?

>>10842290
You deserved it.

>>10842263
No, feral catwomen.

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>>10842390
>>10842390

Making this early because I will be afk for the next few hours, and I don't know if the other 2 lazy ass anons would make it.

>>10842398
It's best if I spread out my thread making endeavors.