/lit/ - Literature

trash

>written by a woman
uhh, no

>>10814486
a truly timeless classic, will stand alongside greats such as atlas shrugged and harry potter and the chamber of secrets

>>10814486
Wow, I'm imagining the chapter of the 2014's War with Tumblr.

roastie shit

With more timeless classics out there than anyone could ever read in their lifetime , why should I even bother wasting time with this roastie crap

>>10814486
Jaysus, Angela, even that doped up chinaman was more subtle about shilling here fer fecks sake.

>>10814504
>>10814534

it's international women's day. take that back you shitlords

Nah this is a fucking great book. So on point. Very important read for sjw cultural marxist alphas like myself

>barak

transparent shill is transparent

>>10814486
desu I always see it posted here as a joke but I've never read it. Could someone who has actually read it tell me what they thought of it/if it was worth the read?

>>10814684
I liked it, less focused on 4chan than I thought it would be. She's calling out SJW's as much as /pol/ boogeymen. I found it rather accurate.

>>10814684
There was a goddamn pdf of that book posted in one of those threads I can fucking SEE you, kantbot! and I managed to devour the whole thing in a single night. If you have even a cursory knowledge of everything in it, it's super-easy to read.

>>10814486
>>10814684
The research methodology was basically "skim the 4chan wiki and knowyourmeme." If you've been here more than a few years, you'll gain nothing from reading it.

The author's only contribution is an argument that transgression for transgression's sake is bad, which is only loosely connected to the rest of her book.

Unironically at the top of my to-read list.

>inb4 kantbot posts the link to his magazine article

>>10814486
fuck off you fucking faggots

They know less about 4chan than I do, so I don't see the interest in reading this.

>>10814486
she probably browses /lit/, she agrees with us in a lot of stuff, pic related was literally a thread here 2 or 3 days ago
https://twitter.com/AngNagle/status/971077587211571201

>>10814596
who the chinaman? is it really worth advertising to the 20 people browsing /lit/? i'll think about it if i decide to write a shitposting book at some point

>>10814989
Fuck, I know a girl who dresses like that and the daddy bit is accurate.

>>10814989
>If you've been here more than a few years,
Oh it is, we are not its targeted audience.

But she probably did more than 'skim the 4chan wiki and knowyourmeme.' since she was able to pick up how memes transform or evlove over time

>>10814989
You gain an opportunity to view 4chan through the lens of a person who isn't inundiated in it's culture.

>>10817206
Tao Lin, I assume

It wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it was. I read it in a day while I was at work and even considered buying it, even if only digitally. I didn't end up buying it, and you won't either, but it was a quick, fairly enjoyable read.

Angela is /ourgirl/

Good anti-idpol left politics. She understands the different currents of the alt-right and doesn't drop in the kneejerk denunciation of them as all monsters that is practically a requirement in mainstream analysis. She spends a fair chunk of the book lambasting the Tumblr-radical-liberal subculture and blames it in part for the rise of the alt-right. She recognises the predicament young, white, mostly middle-class men face in the form of the changing sexual marketplace (in a podcast she even cited Houellebecq's vision as having some degree of accuracy) and the rise of an ultra-individualist culture based on the construction of the self into a commodity in which, umm, sweetie, being a PoC or a queer or non-binary is infinitely cooler and therefore more marketable than being an OPPRESSOR.

When the book was published she got fucking slammed by these Tumblr-liberal wankers just like Mark Fisher did when he wrote "Exiting the Vampire Castle". And indeed, if Nagle committed suicide I'm sure the same bile-spitting, navel-gazing idiots would be dropping approving tweets about her demise. It's the best book ever written about contemporary internet subcultures.

>>10817327
>It's the best book ever written about contemporary internet subcultures.
I liked her but come on, she focused too narrowly on 4chan's political nature for it to the 'best' book.

>>10817340
the bar is that low

>>10817327
In other words: the book is going to have zero influence on the left. In fact, it's going to have less than zero influence and the value is going to keep becoming more and more negative as time goes on.

>>10817344
Damn, touche

>>10817347
at some point the current left will become uncool and then the old left may have a chance if they have a few people well situated on the internet to take the torch

>>10814486
only brocialists talk about that book
is angela a mtf?

>>10817363
she's a big girl

>>10817363
more like ftm

>>10817360
>at some point the current left will become uncool
The current left is already "uncool" as in "not edgy". They don't hold power within the left because they're cool or anything, they hold power because the old left caves to them at every turn and it's necessarily going to have to do that eternally because the left is fundamentally about power struggles and empowering those who are perceived to be weaker.
This creates a dynamic where as long as there is any group of people that can be construed as a minority, a victim and so on, anyone in the left that does not pander to them is going to be lower of the hierarchy of morality than someone who does pander to them. As "worker" is considered less of a minority/victim than someone who is gay or black or anything of the sort (because black worker is worse than white worker and gay worker...you get the gist), anyone who is for the primacy of proletariat struggle will inevitably get the backseat.

>>10817370
>join the manosphere
what a fucking cryptofash cunt

>>10817382
>old left caves to them at every turn
The fuck about you talking about? The 'old left' got wiped out in America by two Red Scares to even matter.

>>10817391
A) america isn't the entirety of the first world B) even then I'm talking about current dynamics: people who claim to be old left are extremely quick to cave in to id-pol left demands about inclusiveness concerning any sort of archetypal panda

>>10817383
keep pushing, she'll be ours soon

>>10817400
Europe is feeling the some form of resurgence of the old left ala Melenchon and Corbyn.

>are extremely quick to cave in to id-pol left demands
The line between accommodating them and letting them take over is thin, but I only see the former not the latter happening.

>>10817422
>Europe is feeling the some form of resurgence of the old left ala Melenchon and Corbyn.
Corbyn panders to idpol sentiment like there's no tomorrow and Melenchon is basically irrelevant.

>>10817422
corbyn will be a trainwreck, whether he wins or not, NiceRx is unstoppable and it will happen sooner or later

the uk is a timebomb anyway as soon as the muslim voting block gets big enough

>>10817437
>panders to idpol sentiment
How? I don't understand why you are treating any interaction of idpol, big or small as innately toxic. And Melenchon suddenly gained a bigger vote share then before so the momentum is still there.

>>10817442
>said increasingly nervous Toryboy for the 10th time

>>10817383
I told you she's alt-right

>>10817457
>>said increasingly nervous Toryboy for the 10th time
not even a bong, just watching the fireworks from afar

>>10817466
Yea okay Moggposter, whatever you say

>>10817457
>How?
For example, the recent thing with the l i-hate-all-white-people black transexual.
>why you are treating any interaction of idpol
Because it prevents the left from being menacing and I want a menacing left. I don't want a left who is basically a bunch of cat ladies and deviants who are as sensitive as victorian women.

>>10817370
Angela is my waifu

>ywn have her stroke your hair and whisper lilting celtic sweet-nothings

>>10817477
>ywm be womanhandled by a 6' irish valkyrie like the trash you are

>>10817474
The Gender Recognition thing? Again how is that letting idpol take over his politics?

>I want a menacing left.
If you want to LARP, go ahead and be a tankie. Any 21st century leftism has to take the good parts from New Left and Old Left to illustrate that identity politics is an expression of class warfare, with the former subservient to the latter. Corbyn is sort of doing that.

>>10817483
Finally I get what Leopold Bloom was on about.

>>10817489
>with the former subservient to the latter
Literally can't happen if those belonging in the former category are more oppressed than those belonging just to the latter one.
Look, just get ready for a Corbyn who is going to be indistinguishable in practice from rad-libs.

>>10817327
>doesn't drop in the kneejerk denunciation of them as all monsters that is practically a requirement in mainstream analysis
poor literal white nationalists and fascists don't deserve denunciation, only a little love and understanding

>Tumblr-radical-liberal subculture and blames it in part for the rise of the alt-right
outstanding analysis, that explains everything

>>10817499
Love this, keep at it.

>>10817498
>former category are more oppressed than those belonging just to the latter one.
That is a) disputable b) implying that both catergories are mutually exclusive. They are not

>Corbyn who is going to be indistinguishable in practice from rad-libs
Considering how his critics are those rad-libs themselves, no. That is not even considering McDonell . I will concede that if he becomes PM, his liberal policies will receive less resistance than his leftist policies.

>>10817519
won't Corbyn even if he wins and has good ideas just be cucked by the women and brown people in his party? doesn't seem like he has any defense if he gets accused of being islamophobic or a sexist at some point

>>10817519
>That is a) disputable
Only if you're privileged.
>Considering how his critics are those rad-libs themselves, no
His main critics are right wingers, you dummie. If he gets into power, who do you think rad libs are going to infiltrate and subvert? The tories? But anyway, I'm not the one who's going to be sad in a few years so let's just agree to disagree.

>>10817499
Some 21 year-old college dropout who feels put-upon and alienated watches a Jared Taylor video. Instead of politely explaining to him that those views are mistaken, you doxx him, get him sacked from his Walmart job, contact his family calling him a Nazi and fuck him up for life. Your buddies on Twitter would *nod respectfully* and #slaaaaykween. The alt-right is single-handedly defeated. The efficacy of stridently denouncing anyone who strays towards the alt-right has of course proven highly effective. That's why 2016 went so well.

>that explains everything
What part of "in part" don't you understand? It's a contributing factor in the same way that the manosphere, the old right (Jared Taylor), the European Nouvelle Droite, /pol/ and so many others played a role in the development of the subculture.

>>10817528
>women and brown people
So you don't know much about him do you? If anything his internal resistance would be the Blairites.

>sexist and islamphobic
They can't since he is pushing those social issues already. There was some incident where some tried to call him homophobe only to get BTFO when his political history was reiterated to them. You can be for liberalism but not for liberals you know

>>10817541
>the European Nouvelle Droite
alain de benoist literally voted for melenchon (a communist) in the last elections

>>10817545
de benoist and the nouvelle droite sucks m8

>>10817552
You shut your fucking mouth.

>>10817541
>manosphere, the old right (Jared Taylor), the European Nouvelle Droite, /pol/ and so many others played a role in the development of the subculture.
is that in the book or it's you that's bringing it up?

>>10817544
>get BTFO when his political history was reiterated to them.
please talk more about this

>>10817544
>So you don't know much about him do you? If anything his internal resistance would be the Blairites.
that's not how things work when it comes to getting a piece of the cake of power, then it's when coalitions start eating each other even if they went hand in hand until then

>They can't since he is pushing those social issues already.
you can always ask for more and sooner, that's no defense

>There was some incident where some tried to call him homophobe only to get BTFO when his political history was reiterated to them
that works now when supporting Corbyn is strategically solid and has no power and you can use him as a spearhead to get in, as soon as it comes to take a piece from the cake we will see how easy it is to share actual power.

>>10817558
In the book, although I'm not sure if she mentions the Nouvelle Droite. Even Nick Land is mentioned briefly, as a description of a particular current in the alt-right rather than an influence.

Going to comment on the earlier point? Come on, you know as well I do that public shaming is a foolproof tactic with a fantastic contemporary record of success.

the future of the republican party is trumpian nationalism that dont give a fug what the media or libtards think.

The future of the democratic party is bernie sanders style democratic socialism.
The center is dead. It died because of too many wars and economic crashes.

There can be made a case that the rise of the alt right was a reaction to the hyper identity politics of the so called social justice warrior.
Liberals werent always like this. They were jon stewart. They were the cool kid in class. Then something happened, something shifted. I want to say somewhere after the failure of occupy wall street. The liberal transforms into this weird fun house mirror universe version of itself. Turns into a moral police. Safe spaces, privilege, microagressions. The whole deal.

They start to shove politcs into everything. They start screeching about white privilege. They distinctly lack any class consciousness.

Poor white guy living paycheck to paycheck and addicted to xanax?

BETTER SHREK YOUR FUCKING PRIVVLAGE


So you have this group of people with this psychotic moral elitism, but since they are neoliberal they also bail out banks and fuck over poor people.


So the reaction to these creatures manifests in two ways. Trump and sanders.

Nazis and commies.


Why, why did all of this happen.

We just wanted to fucking play video games with tits and explosions.

>>10817541
>Instead of politely explaining to him that those views are mistaken
Which you can't do. "it's poverty" or "it's discrimination" are the left's answers to what he's going to see in those videos and they're piss poor answers. Not that the left would know that since they're woefully ignorant of fringe right arguments.
The guy you're replying to has a much better tactic: don't engage in arguments, you'd lose, just shut down everything and destroy reputations, that works extremely well.

>>10817532
>privileged
You really gonna play that card?

>His main critics are right wingers, you dummie. If he gets into power, who do you think rad libs are going to infiltrate and subvert? The tories? But anyway, I'm not the one who's going to be sad in a few years so let's just agree to disagree.
Dumbass the Guardian and Statesman shit on him too. Go find that LSE's media bias on him.

Actually the rad-lib want to create a new centrist party from Blarites, wet Tories and lib Dems rather than infiltrate anything. They already did that to Labour but are getting push out as we speak

>>10817567
>There can be made a case that the rise of the alt right was a reaction to the hyper identity politics of the so called social justice warrior.
the left did all the work to create the box called "white", the alt-right only had to change the label "bad" to "good", but the left did all the work reifying that category in the US

>>10817571
>You really gonna play that card?
I'm not, it's an example of what they can do.
As for the rest, this guy is right >>10817559

>>10817559
Ahaha oh wow you don't know shit about UK do you?

The rad libs are already shiting on him even before he became Opposition Leader. They are already do those things you mentioned to him even before he obtaining. And he is still warding them off solely coz he is for liberalism. Your theoretical prediction of the people who you hate are sadly wrong

great more newfags to flood this cesspool

>>10814486
Retarded garbage for imbecilic loners that think maymays and shitposting are peak political discourse all the while viewing the world through the double opaque spectrum of autism and too many vidya.

>>10817569
>you'd lose

Go on, explain Spengler to me tough guy. Explain why despite the existence of racial outliers on IQ tests, a Jamaican with 115 IQ would not be admitted into a white ethno-state. Explain to me why racial segregation in church congressions is the product of a primordial, unconscious desire to be separated from black or white people and not two hundred years of segregated, parallel development of small religious communities (and the fact that the government didn't directly overturn segregation as they did with schools).

You don't understand the left's arguments if you think "it's poverty" or "it's discrimination" are what socialism is about. Capitalism's inherent tendency to crisis, the extraction of surplus value from labour and the endlessly totalising process of commodity fetishism are what socialism is about. But that's troublesome, of course, because you might have to read something longer than a /pol/ infographic (however informative they can indeed be).

>>10817594
>a Jamaican with 115 IQ would not be admitted into a white ethno-state
Because he's not white? It's call an "ehno-state" as in "ethnically homogeneous state" which means it takes measures to prevent people not from the main ethnicity to gaining access to itself. This isn't difficult stuff, I don't understand why you would find this difficult to understand.
>racial segregation
Infants show racial preferences as soon as we can understand their preferences for anything. If you don't have a government/society telling you that's bad and forbidding you from acting upon it, you get segregated societies.
>"it's poverty" or "it's discrimination"
I know what socialism is, I never said the left arguments for socialism are "it's poverty or it's discrimination", I was referring to Jared Taylor videos, which you mentioned in your example.
Those are the left answers to race differences in behavioral and psychological traits which is mainly what amren videos are about (either directly or indirectly). You went on talking about what socialism is about but Jared Taylor videos aren't about socialism, or at least almost never. If a kid is going to see a video of his, the facts that are going to pop out are racial differences in crime and IQ. The answer to those facts by the left are precisely "discrimination and poverty". Those are really bad objections for reasons that have been outlined in fringe right groups for years and years. The left is almost completely unaware of that.

>>10817594
>Regression to the mean
>Formation of racial voting blocs
>Effects on social cohesion
>Reduces the trust level in society
>Effects on wages from importing foreign labor
>Government policy based on appeasing foreigners

They've got tons of talking points on the Thomas Sowell "based black" question. Having the "based black" being a foreigner has even more rebuttals. They're typically also suspicious of capitalism, socialism, materialism, liberalism, and secularism because they think it's all a racket run by kikes.

The left also doesn't have anyone that articulates economic arguments anymore because (in the U.S. at least) it's solely a movement based around appeasing blacks, latinx and sexual degenerates. Trump is in the process of stealing the working class because the right is now pushing for shit like tariffs & infrastructure spending while cheerleading the shit out of the working class.

>>10817833
>latinx
I keep seeing this everywhere, someone explain. I assume its a gender thing, but I hope Im wrong

>>10817982
it is

latino - men
latina - women
latinx - everything i guess

it's some kind of gender meme that they tried to spread in Latin America and Spain, but we have an academy of the spanish language who told them that they are plebs and to go away be plebs somewhere else, so they instead brought the meme into the US because you guys fall for anything and have nobody to take care of your language

>>10817994
I am not American my friend, thank you for the answer though.

>>10817340
>>10817327
I agree that it is the best analysis of politics of 4chan, but that speaks to the poverty of contemporary analysis, rather than the quality of Kill All Normies.

Nagle is great though, and I think she’s just getting started in terms of writing good shit.

>>10818023
she seems tired of internet shit and more interested in soft lefty stuff like public transportation or cheap rent, so not sure if she will follow up with more stuff about the internet and soft-theory or if she will just become a boring run-of-the-mill old leftist journalist, let's see

>>10817594
>surplus value
Ah, I see you're retarded. Move along lads.

>>10817567
It didn’t happen in 2011, you just started to notice it.
It started in the 80s, that’s when capital dropped the gloves on labour and re-asserted its dominance. That’s when the Marxist left starts to retreat both academically, and in organizational movements, and with 1989 it collapsed entirely.

One other underlying thread is that from the late 60s on women and ethnic minorities increasingly were able to get into academia, but it was still basically only women, lgbt, minorities from fairly well off backgrounds, so two decades later, the new wave that these scholars are bringing in women’s studies, queer studies, postcolonial studies etc, is extremely bourgeois. It’s upper middle class women who think they speak on behave of all women. By the 80s as labour is being crushed this generation if scholars is ascendant. In 1986 Marxist scholar Ellen Wood wrote ‘The Retreat From Class’, commenting on how new left academics were totally abandoning any sort of materialist, economic focuses analysis in exchange for a ‘cultural turn’, a politics completely focused on ‘superstructural’ aspects, with no relation to its economic ‘base’.

Anarchism became the dominate radical left politics, but because it is totally idealistic (as opposed to materialistic, rather than “realist”) it’s analysis relies on moralisms, and a built in impotency. Occupy is an example of the failure of that left to be able to capitlaize in popular support.

>>10817994
German - men
Gerwomen - women
Germx - everything i guess

>>10818105
german is alemán in spanish though, so

alemán
alemana
alemanx - i guess or something like that, i'm not an expert in meme language

>>10818033
But that’s the whole thing with the left. When your entire politics is ‘women’s oppression’, ‘black liberation’, and getting trans people gender neutral bathrooms you don’t have anything which everybody feels they will benefit from investing into the fight on.

Issues of public transportation, rent, water, healthcare, union fights, minimum wage, lead in public housing etc, those are quintessentially left issues which the left has forgotten about when it made the cultural turn. Accessible public transportation is vastly more important to the daily life of the average poor black woman than the number of black people there are per movie per year, and it’s only because there is no “intersectional” proletarian movement that people retreat into brand identification and cultural representation as a substitution for real politics.

If the left is going to gain a footings again, it’s going to be on local issues, and it’s going to be on ‘universal’ issues. Women’s groups, black groups etc need to be part of that process so that they aren’t neglected, but there needs to be coalition building across all these groups on specific material fronts, not just sloganizing. Like what the fuck does it actually mean to “smash the patriarchy”, ask anybody who says this to describe concrete steps towards that goal or what a world after patriarchy would look like, and always it’s described in negative terms ‘without this, without that’, there is no real positive vision, just remove the stuff that causes me problems and everything else is basically the same.

It’s the leftists who can say ‘we are working towards everybody having access to clean water, cheap and accessible public transportation, housing that is affordable, medical care etc, and this is how we plan to do it’ that’s a vision of positive politics.

>>10817621
>If you don't have a government/society telling you that's bad and forbidding you from acting upon it, you get segregated societies.

The government itself imposed segregation, preferences and full-blown denial of civil rights are radically different

Here is another Leftist / Cultural Marxist trying to write about (or rather shit on) the Right. His scope is much wider than Nagle's and he even manages to shoehorn Thomas Ligotti into the Neoreaction. Both authors are equally hippocrits and liars as you would expect from the left, but you can't deny them a certain entertainment value

>>10818252
does he speak about Land? sounds interesting even if he is just writing tactically instead of honestly like the left usually does

>>10814486
Ready Player One for 4chan.

>>10818256
>does he speak about Land?
yes. Just get it at B–OK

>>10818252
>he even manages to shoehorn Thomas Ligotti into the Neoreaction
what the fuck? why is he offending papa ligotti like that

>>10818252
>believing the cultural marxist meme

>>10818321
but the left is openly subversive, it's not a conspiracy if you openly state your goals, it's just what you do

>>10814486
I keep running into this book when I search on goodreads or amazon for the shitpost book written by an anon from here or /b/, the author was something like "nigger mctittyfuck" or something. I really wanna find it, please help

>>10818321
even when from todays leftist viewpoint Adorno probably would qualfify as a right winger, he laid the ideologial groundwork for their destruction work

>>10818321
t. mr. jazz-is-fascist

>>10818252
is the left just jelly that neoreactionaries are more materialist than them?

>>10818437
>neoreactionaries
>materialists
this better be b8 son

>>10818359
>>10814486

Fired from his job at the Analsausage Fuck Factory, Lucifer Niggerbastard sets off on an epic quest with his compatriots, a burbling sack of babyshit and Rojir the razor-bladed dildo. Written based off an outline of the events of Virgil’s Aeneid scribbled on the back of a cocktail napkin by a drunk, The Vagina Ass of Lucifer Niggerbastard is an epic tale told in a bizarro-author’s take on the ancient Homeric masters. Hey, all writers are thieves. It’s just illegal if the dead author you steal from hasn’t rotted enough yet. Actually, this book is pretty much nothing like the Aeneid. It’s more like the Odyssey, only more fucked up, more epic, and definitely more interesting to read. Is it a commentary on how fucked up things are yet again? Maybe. Probably. Yes. If you don’t have a sense of humor or “bad words” get your ass in a twist, don’t read this fucking book.

>>10818437
Land is certainly more on the materialist side than the catholic wing of Nrx

>>10818475
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37mkjW70VHU

>>10818488
compared to this crap Naked Lunch is world literature

>>10817982
>>10817994

The one I've seen actually used in the Spanish world is "Latin@". The @ looks like an o+a, so it makes for convenient shorthand. (chic@s, hij@s, etc.) The x one always seemed more gender memey.

>>10818448
Don't take it seriously, they are willing to say anything for effect.

>>10814486
>this thread again
The alt-right really overstates their own importance. It makes sense that they would here, /lit/ being the nerdy book partition of /pol/, but the rest of the internet doesn't care about them as much as the alt-right wishes they did. Neither the book nor the author even has a Wikipedia page. Wake me up when Google starts being sympathetic to Nazis.

>>10818677
that's true, it's also officially a pleb thing to do

http://lema.rae.es/dpd/srv/search?id=Tr5x8MFOuD6DVTlDBg#22
>2.2. Para evitar las engorrosas repeticiones a que da lugar la reciente e innecesaria costumbre de hacer siempre explícita la alusión a los dos sexos (los niños y las niñas, los ciudadanos y ciudadanas, etc.; → 2.1), ha comenzado a usarse en carteles y circulares el símbolo de la arroba (@) como recurso gráfico para integrar en una sola palabra las formas masculina y femenina del sustantivo, ya que este signo parece incluir en su trazo las vocales a y o: l@s niñ@s. Debe tenerse en cuenta que la arroba no es un signo lingüístico y, por ello, su uso en estos casos es inadmisible desde el punto de vista normativo; a esto se añade la imposibilidad de aplicar esta fórmula integradora en muchos casos sin dar lugar a graves inconsistencias, como ocurre en Día del niñ@, donde la contracción del solo es válida para el masculino niño.

>>10818689

the alt-right was never important but the lugenrpresse exaggerated their influence in order to claim trump is hitler or whatever

>>10818475
>Catholicism
This meme has to stop

>>10818755
try accelerating it then

>>10817442
Well, that depends on the Tories response, and so far everything they touch is a dead fish. This ideal that Eton should run the country is exactly why the UK is broken and another rich schmuck who just wants to get on Deripaska yacht will further prove the point that the English will shoot themselves in the foot.

Union of Craic when

>>10818698

The cancer has already spread - I learned about the @ in 2013 when my professor in Barcelona used it for classwide emails.

>>10818788
academia is a meme and Barcelona even more of a meme, i don't think those kinds of memes will catch up in Spain but who knows, we had a 5.3 million women strike yesterday asking for some kind of rights, which rights exactly they lack, nobody knows exactly, somehow women are masters at asking for things without saying what they want even in their mass movements

there was a video of a group of men fixing the street in the middle of the women march in Madrid that was quite funny

>>10817594
the logical conclusion of egalitarian ideology is a totalitarian state based on intensive surveillance and social engineering.

>>10814989
>4chan wiki
I know that there are board specific wikis, but does a good site-wide wiki for 4chan even exist? lurkmore is fucking pitiful. This is their gamergate article:
https://www.lurkmore.com/view/Gamergate
Considering what a massive impact this event had to the culture of the site, I don't think two sentences is really enough to do it justice. Anons shit on knowyourmeme (rightly so) but I fail to see any other way for newfags to learn about shit that happened years ago without some oldfag who's willing to spoonfeed them.

>>10817457
'idpol' is a snarlword used by privileged people who feel threathened because marginalized and victimized folks such as queers and people of color are finally getting treated with the bare minimum of empathy human decency

>>10818859
How so?

>>10818865
idpol is the reification of identity as being concrete. This is a bad thing

>>10818865
>because marginalized and victimized folks such as queers and people of color are finally getting treated with the bare minimum of empathy human decency
if we decency you mean condescension and pandering, i guess, they are treated like huges retarded babbys for all i can see, no human dignity anywhere in there

>>10818878
no. identity is something very concrete for marginalized folks, and what you call 'idpol' is the life and death struggle against the normative forces which marginalize them. I'm guessing you are a cishet white dude, am i right?

>>10817594
>Explain why despite the existence of racial outliers on IQ tests, a Jamaican with 115 IQ would not be admitted into a white ethno-state

Regression to the mean. Two chance 115 IQ individuals will likely produce an offspring with an IQ of less than 115. The mean of a black population is lower, so the offspring's IQ will regress to a lower mean.

Also, do you want your kids to look like Harambe?

>>10818890
normative forces don't hold a candle to chinese nukes

>>10818890
>marginalized folks,
>cishet white dude
>life and death struggle against the normative forces
you are a breathing meme

>>10818893
did you actually try to make a point with a 2016 twitter meme?

>>10818889
it is white dudes who are pandered to and treated like babies, which blinds them to the very real oppression and marginalization of queers and other such folks. The discomfort social justice and acknowledging your privilege makes you feel amount to 1/1000 of what marginalized folks have to deal with every fucking millisecond of their waking existence

>>10818943
name 1 situation where white dudes are treated like babies

>>10818943
White men are the reason our civilization exists you absolute babby. The comfort and quality of your life is entirely due to white men. You are literally a child lashing out at the person who provides for you.

>>10818943
>it is white dudes who are pandered to and treated like babies
this is such bullshit I can't even name it
a white poor fag gets treated a thousand times worse than a colored engineer or entrepreneur of whatever kind

>>10818968
not really though

>>10818968
it's intersectional
a white poor women gets a thousand times worse than a poor white man

a black enterpreneur gets a thousand times worse than a white enterpreneur

a gay engineer gets treated a thousand times worse than a straight engineer

why is it so hard to acknowledge your whole life has been one of unfair privilege grounded on the oppression of people less fortunate than yourself?

>>10818986
>unfair privilege grounded on the oppression of people less fortunate than yourself?
I didn't realize white men inventing everything leading to the industrial revolution, the agricultural revolution, the digital revolution, etc. was 'oppression' of other people.

It in fact looks a lot like the rest of the world owe white men everything for lifitng them out of varying states of savagery

>>10818993
why do you take credit for inventions you didn't personally create? also many of those inventions were stolen from marginalized people, the printing press originally came from china and modern computers were invented by Alan Turing, who was Queer

>>10819001
chinks aren't a minority nor marginalized, they are the chads of the world at this point

>>10814636
>pick one

>>10819001
What does this conversation have to do with me, we're talking about white men, and how the rest of the world owe them everything.

Move to a country not run by, paid for, built and maintained by white men if you don't like them. Even then you're still benefiting from their inventions.

>>10819001
>why do you take credit for inventions you didn't personally create?
why do you blame people for opression they never commited?

>>10817360
that already happened like 4 years ago

>>10818125
The Left is already doing those things in everywhere except USA. Know why? Coz it is dead there. Why can't amerimutts just admit this obvious fact?

>>10819016
you are currently benefitting from that oppression, whether you want it or not. and you probably support right wing policies which perpetuate it

>>10817567
>Then something happened, something shifted. I want to say somewhere after the failure of occupy wall street
https://youtu.be/SCwhlZtHhWs
At least during the occupy protest

>>10818125
yawn. you sound like some "i'm not racist" bernie bro. take your nazi mansplaining and go back to >>>>/pol/

>>10819084
you leftcunts always lie when it comes to race, IQ differences and civilisatory achievments
that's why you have to make up fairy tales of opression to obfuscate the truth

>>10819092
there was also lots of rape covered up in occupy

>>10819084
every bad thing that white people have done in the past is used as an excuse to flood our countires with garbage and take resources and power away from us. we're not benefiting from "oppression", fuck off

>>10819084
Eat shit retard

DEATH TO THE RIGHT-WING INSECT

>>10819215
t. no-guns faggot

>>10819227
joke's on you i own two guns

Can I get an explanation from "ethno nationalist"?
I'm mixed race living in europe. Half Japanese and half south european.
I growed up in italy, I speak italian, I eat Italian, I love italy, I pay my taxes, I speak better italian than most, I know more about italian history than most, I'm proud of my language, culture and people.
If someone ask what I am I will respond italian.
Now can an ethno nationalist explain how an American think he has more knowledge than me when it comes to my country and more right to be called European just because he's white?
I took italian as an example, but if I was german/japanese or Swedish/Japanese the question would be the same.

>>10819263
>the chad fill
anyway the white meme is an american thing
>I'm mixed race living in europe. Half Japanese and half south european.
if you lived in spain you would be considered one of us, but your nickname would be "the chinese", no exceptions

>>10819263
are you like him?

>>10819084
>you are currently benefitting from that oppression, whether you want it or not.
Well, yeah.
>and you probably support right wing policies which perpetuate it
Why shouldn't I? These policies are in my own economic self-interest.
Everyone always goes on about how promoting diversity and cracking down on hate speech will help all of these oppressed minority groups, but what I want to know is how will they benefit me? I'm something like a psychopath with little to no empathy. I don't give a shit about these people. If all the left can offer is that their laws will make other people happy, then why should I support them?

>>10819263
Mixed citizens are not the same situation as foreign born and foreign bred influx
You're fine, and it might sound abritrary but japanese is definitely the best admixture

>>10814486
Not this thread again.

>>10819291
Because you benefit magnially within the system compared to those beneath you and will benefit more when it is dismantled

>>10819324
>believing in kike fairy tales

Left-wing socialist pro-minority revolution to dethrone the bourgeiosie and put all reactionaries, conservatives, fashs, traditionalists, liberals and libertarians in the gulag when?

>>10819340
who will work?

>>10819340
i'd like to see you try you leftard faggot

>>10819286
>if you lived in spain you would be considered one of us
But i'm considered italian by italians too, it's the americans (both on the internet and irl) that don't understand.
>Your nickname will be the chinese, no no exceptions
Yes, this happens here too
>>10819289
No, more like pic related with a sleepy left eye
>>10819298
Problem is that most half asian in america are really fucked up in america for some reason so when I'm there, which I try my best to avoid, it's elliot rodger joke after joke

>>10819340
never. Stay gay and poor

>>10819337
>ask for a reason
>gets one
>b-but you are lying!

>>10819324
>the system
I assume that you mean capitalism. Even if this is true, I fail to see how increasing diversity and self-censorship will achieve this goal.

>>10819340
your tranny soyboys will put nobody anywhere

>>10814504

yeah what the fuck does a woman know about 4chan culture and autism?

>>10819367
>believing in theories that have been unequivocally debunked

>>10819340
>>10819340
>>10819340
>>10819340
>pro-minority
>reactionaries, conservatives, fashs, traditionalists, liberals and libertarians
Minorities are often traditionalist too you know.

>>10819371
But I didn't say that? The people who do say that are captialism's biggest cheerleaders

>>10819104
That wasn't real communism

>>10819324
I'd argue that when the system is dismantled you'll realize how much everyone, even the oppressed dregs of society, benefited from the existence of a functional society. I'd argue it's better to be at the bottom of a functional society than the top of a dysfunctional one.

>>10819406
Yeah I always feel bad for this subset of people who genuinely would rather be second class citizens in a trad WASP country than live in their ghettos. Can’t help them though. We tried and now they bitch about it constantly.

>>10819465
Oh so you didn't want a reason, but actually wanted passive aggressively wanted to keep arguing?

Your argument is literally shrugging your shoulders and saying it could be worse. Sure it could be worse but it could be better so that point is moot.

>>10819530
>it could be better
you have no evidence of this though. You especially don't have any evidence that it will be better if you guys take over, and indirect evidence that very bad things could happen if people saying the sorts of things you're saying manage a coup

>>10819423
Sorry, I committed the faux pas of not reading the whole reply chain. I just skimmed it now, but with anonymity I can't tell who you are, so you'll need to link your post if you want me to see it.

>>10817327
Liberals aren't left.

>>10819534
And you don't have evidence it would get worse. How else you actually claimed that a coup is the most likely.

>very bad things
Uh uh senpai, we were talking about whether things improve or deprove, not whether bad or good things happen. Stay on track.

>>10819567
you have no evidence of a leftist state existing and being better than we what have now. The leftist states, or the closest things to leftist states that ever did exist, were markedly worse.

>>10817383
(((pyschoanalysis))) doesn't work on the irish

>>10819567
>deprove

>>10819406
>minorities being traditionalists
what kind of disease is that?

>>10819324
marginalized victim groups such as queers and homosexuals are de facto benefiting more than I do nowadays. Your revolution will amount in practice to placing those freaks on a pedestal and allowing them to impose their lunatic ideology on everybody else

>>10819614
>marginalized victim groups such as queers and homosexuals are de facto benefiting more than I do nowadays.
imagine actually believing this

>>10819621
they do, they're just so fucking useless they manage to perform worse anyway even with all the benefits they get. see also black people for the best example of this

>>10819621
just take a look at any mayor mainstream media outlet. They are the model citizens of the new world order, these people will never be satisfied they wield victimhood to their own andvantage and enjoy it for its own sake

>>10819613
They are stereotypically first-generation immigrants.

>>10819641
homosexuals are a pretty wealthy collective on average, even long before they could legally come out of the closet

>>10819658
I've always suspected they hide behind political correctness and victimhood in order to rape, abuse and indoctrinate children.

>>10819406
when the leftist wakes up he has a surprise lol

>>10818872
The fittest people will always rise to the top and make the system as skewed in their favor as possible. The only way to avoid this and create a perpetually equal system is to drag the fittest down to the the lowest common denominator, which logically can only happen in a totalitarian system where the fittest have no opportunity to exert control on the system.

>>10819579
Well that argument only work if I said we were going to do those previous versions, which I didn't.

>>10817383
Yes give her to us, force her out, do eet.

>>10819263
"Ethno nationalism" is the boogyman of left liberal identitarians, the supposed dicotomy of nationalism into "good" civic and "bad" ethnic categories is one largely rejected among scholars of nationalism

>>10819263
Americans are obsessed with whiteness because they're all mutts themselves.

They can't identity by ethnicity because they were muddled long ago generally.

Americans can't be ethnats because they have no ethnicity in the first place.

>>10818125
>which the left has forgotten

it did for a crazy decade after 9/11. But we're back babay

>>10818689

>>10819341
enslaved Negroids

>>10820132
>it doesn't exist
>you can't talk about it
sounds familiar doesn't the Left say something to the right about some type of analysis of society? hmm

>>10820153
>I don't understand why europeans who live near sub-saharan africans notice the disparities between the two and form their individual identities based on these disparities

>>10820264
>Americans are europeans
>Civic identity is inconsequential

>>10820291
>White Americans are not derived from Europe
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC430174/

>>10820291
Americans are obviously Europeans. how Orwellian can you be

>>10820308
>>10820317
Again
>Civic identity is secondary
What do you think of this guy >>10819263
Is he less European than you?

>>10820335
different meanings of the word. ethnically European and politically or culturally or whatever.

>>10820340
This is a non answer.
European genes don't make you european.

>>10817195
do you think she could be a /pol/poster

>>10820335
I'm not Italian so I can't speak for Italians and what they consider to be Italian. Something you'll run into with nationalists in Europe is that they don't consider themselves "white", and neither should they. Many often feel no affinity for Europeans outside of their nation; an Italian nationalist cares only for Italians for example. White is an identity you're only going to find in settler nations like the US and South Africa, and even then white American is a separate identity from white South African. Of course, there is a growing internationalist sentiment across the far right where nationalists are sort of realizing they have to cooperate towards aligned interests against the global liberal establishment, but even then it's not as if an Italian nationalist would be fine with Italy full of Germans because both are "white".

Civic identity is built off of a shared culture binding the nation together under the state, when that culture is no longer binding then civic identity is no longer the most relevant. In the US you have a situation where cultural identity flows from racial difference for a number of reasons including but not limited to genetic, social, economic, etc. If you're asserting that civic identity is the primary identity currently in the US, then I would say that this is increasingly untrue and arguable may never have been true. It will only become less true as whites continue to lose demographic dominance in the US and the idpol left continues to radicalize.

>>10820344
>being ethnically european is not european
wew

>>10819392
yeah, I don't see how pointing this out is sexist in the least. It's like if I as a man decided to write a book about tumblr wiccans

>non idpol and pro idpol left eating itself

Lmao

>>10818125
>we are working towards everybody having access to clean water, cheap and accessible public transportation, housing that is affordable, medical care etc
the fact that this 1950s shit is still an issue for the us is really sad desu

>>10820461
He's right

>>10820624
So people born in India to British parents weren't British?

>>10820631
yes, it only goes one way

>>10820631
If there's a strong identity that overrides their Britishness, like in the case of Americans being different european ethnicities, I'd say no, they aren't. Italians, for example, aren't even genetically uniform, yet they're all "Italians", despite the term being scientifically nonsensical

>>10820656
being mutts of*

>>10820495
there's no such thing as a non idpol left. caring about the most marginalized folks of society has always been the fucking point of the left

>>10820660
its more 'using some group of people as a stick to beat your enemies with' than the way you put it.

also i have to point out it is just fucking creepy how it is impossible to distinguish between any of you because you all type exactly the same way. it's like the same effeminate smug anon is shitposting with wild abandon all over the internet simultaneously

>>10820667
people like you have been using the same stick to hit the most vulnerable people for hundreds of years. I think it is about time someone put a stop to it. concepts such as stereotype threat, microagressions are scientifically backed by extensive psychological research. You can't even begin to understand how much different your life would be if you had been queer or a person of color. all else equal. you are not a leftist if you are not willing to examine yourself and accept the hurt which you have caused to people

>>10820713
I like what you're doing and the effort you're expending to do it, please keep it up

>>10820713
when you find yourself in 50 years in Nouveau South Africa, don't say we didn't warn you

>>10820667
>it's like the same effeminate smug anon
>caring about other people is unmanly

a case of toxic masculinity if I've ever seen one

>>10818256
Half the book is about Land, and in all honesty, the author had a difficult time refuting his ideas as a whole. The author also insinuated that post-breakdown Land is Andy Kaufman-esque performance art, which seemed like a coping mechanism.

>>10820769
>the author had a difficult time refuting his ideas as a whole.
how do can even one go about 'refuting' a methheads word salad psychosis ramblings?

one of my roommates got a job at some bigbox retail place like two weeks ago, he already has the top two hottest chick in his room, man fuck normies, of course he has a lot of weed so i guess that's good pussybait

>>10820713
Who care about people? We're concerned with civilization itself.

>>10820667
>also i have to point out it is just fucking creepy how it is impossible to distinguish between any of you because you all type exactly the same way.
There's one guy who posts this stuff. You can see him trot out the term "empathy" in every thread he posts in.

>>10820713
>"psychological" "research"
>randomly picking out identities like queer that mean nothing outside of idpol b/c sexual fetishes are not something a normal person should base an identity on
>projecting your mind on a colored person as a white lib and assuming you know anything about how they think and how you'd be miserable in their shoes therefore justifying the pity and narcissistic superiority you feel inside
by all means continue to embarrass yourself

>>10821004
>There's one guy
m8 these people are literally everywhere, it's like a zombie invasion.

When I meet people at a bar or something I don't even have to guess what they'll start talking about, or which phrases they'll use, because it's like they're reading off a script of the last week's NYT headlines or wherever this stuff originates

I actually feel like I'm dreaming sometimes these days, it's like everybody's personality is being erased and replaced with this weird shrill yet also meek moralizing creature. There are just endless fucking hordes of them, and they all say the same thing over and over, in the same words, it makes me feel like Im losing my mind

>>10821029
>m8 these people are literally everywhere, it's like a zombie invasion.
In real life, absolutely, but this board it's one person. He's easy to recognize: first he'll start by criticizing someone's lack of empathy, then he'll make a reference to "basic human decency", recently he started bringing out the more academic terms (stereotype threat, microagressions) to give himself more credibility. He sticks out like a sore thumb.

>>10821026
be careful with those edges fampai
>>10821029
Are you insinuating right wingers are any different?
Mainstream political discourse blows, you aren't special

>>10821029
what if they are right? maybe you should join them

>>10821029
>I actually feel like I'm dreaming sometimes these days, it's like everybody's personality is being erased and replaced with this weird shrill yet also meek moralizing creature. There are just endless fucking hordes of them, and they all say the same thing over and over, in the same words, it makes me feel like Im losing my mind
woah people are being empathetic and caring so terrifying!

>>10821026
queer theory is a whole field of study as well as a fascinating and vibrant community

>>10821068
is queer theory where u search for gay subtexts in everything? i always naturally do that when i smoke weed, i think everything is super gay, and then i go to college and holy shit it turns out u can major in reading gay shit into everything, what a world

>>10821042
Wait are you telling me that this guy is unironic? I thought he was trying to falseflag as an idpol leftist by arguing ad absurdum, it seemed like a pretty good way to shut down non-idpol leftists.

>>10814989
>I want a sugar daddy
>but I also want a regular daddy
>but I also want my biological father to come back

loving every laugh

>>10820769
i started reading, the author seems to be slowly seduced (redpilled, i guess) by neoreactionaries even if from a position of resistance where he starts swallowing one by one all of their points but still clutches to some small inconsistency to denounce them as crazy

>>10821029
>I actually feel like I'm dreaming sometimes these days, it's like everybody's personality is being erased and replaced with this weird shrill yet also meek moralizing creature. There are just endless fucking hordes of them, and they all say the same thing over and over, in the same words, it makes me feel like Im losing my mind
i saw a theory somewhere, where the number of humans souls is limited, and after we reached a certain number of population on earth empty husks started being born

or it may be all the brainwashing over-prescribed psychiatric drugs, who knows

>>10821064
>pandering to the mentally ill delusions
>empathetic
anon, i...

>>10820207
Doesn't that limit approach -1 rather than -inf?

>>10821664
Uh I meant 0

lol, is the SPLC going full retard against the left?

seems like they deleted the article "for some reason"
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/03/09/multipolar-spin-how-fascists-operationalize-left-wing-resentment
https://web.archive.org/web/20180309225139/https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/03/09/multipolar-spin-how-fascists-operationalize-left-wing-resentment

hopefully this will help to get a few new good hands in the reactionary camp

>>10820660
>caring about the most marginalized folks of society has always been the fucking point of the left
True, but being a slave or a wage labourer isn't an identity, it's a economic circumstance you find yourself in. There's nothing redeeming in reclaiming any of those things as an identity. 'Slave pride' would be ridiculous.

>>10819001
the printing press originally came from China but was imdependantly invented in Europe later on. no-one "stole" the invention. I will give you Turing, though he was also a white man.

>>10814486
i prefer "kill all satans"

>>10821664
There are actually three distinct limits to the function.
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=limits+of+-1%2Fx%5E2

>>10818252
the rocko's basilisk part is funny as fuck

>>10821802
Thank

>written by a whore
>includes new popcult references like 4chan and normie
if you give a book like this any of your time op your a lost soul

>>10814486
The book itself is very focused on 1 aspect of a much broader issue, I think. Nagle explores how the counter-culture shifted from transgressive left to right and how that new alt-right culture has played out across the internet and translated into the real world. But she doesn’t explore the root cause of this neo-reactionary wave or the broader implications of it.
So it’s a useful touchstone for the uninitiated, but not much else.

>>10814611
That's called International WORKING Women's Day, you lying bourgeois scum.

>>10818862
Encyclopedia Dramatica

>>10818862
Gamergate is best described on lolcow wiki, because cunts hate cunts.

>>10814486
Nice book. Glad she tear /pol/shits as much as tumblrfags

>>10821068
I've studied books written in "queer theory" for university classes, mostly in history, and I can tell you, even for their most renowned authors, their academic work is sub-par, their conclusions tendentious or outright polemical in their biases. Most of these authors consider (and you'll often find it openly, shamelessly and blatantly stated in their works) that contemporary moral issues supersede the search for truth; they look to history in order to find justification for contemporary "bodies" and thus their research is always nearly unusable in academic contexts, without almost doing it again for them. Which is a shame because they work in fields which sometimes interest no one else, and they're the only ones to furnish data on some particular aspects of history, but their data and their conclusions are nearly always flawed.

>>10822741
weren't those degrees created as a meme, just shoveling women into there without caring much about scholarship or academic accomplishments just because they needed people in there?

>>10822767
Yes. But they also like to work in other fields, ie. queer anthropology, queer sociology, queer this queer that. They find niches which aren't studied otherwise and produce poor work in these niches, which sucks for everyone.

>>10822782
imo it seems like a slave morality driven religion/cult. Instead of the chaste semitic jesus guilt trip, you get a blue haired genderqueer jesus guilt trip. but nothing much else changes

>>10822082
>taking evola seriously
the absolute state of the right

>>10823566
this, if only because Serrano>>>Evola

>>10822741
Let me ask you. I have an interest in the history of homosexuality. A quick glance at research into it made me think that it was so hopless bias and absurd as to render it useless. For example Aztec societies appearently had a god or two with some relationships to homos, a quick look at it spilled into bullshit about trannies, non-binary, and other buzzwords.

Is there any writing on the subject that is not insane?

>>10823611
>Is there any writing on the subject that is not insane?
kek

>>10823611
Honestly, if it's just women studies it can still be rational, but the work is always inferior to actual academic work. When you drift into queer, homosexual, or post-colonial theories, the academic standard basically goes down the drain.

>>10823611
Leviticus, Jack Chick's tract on Sodom. Gays are inherently antention seeking hysterical creatures, more motivated by their desire for virtue signalling than by sexuality, unless its paedophilic sexuality, because they are all paedos, it's an open secret

>>10817541
>crushing your enemies is bad

>>10818689
true

>women's march: a million people in dc
>charlottesville: 300 people

>>10821068
absolutely ideological

>>10823605
>Serrano
way worse than evola, actually. savitri devi too. holy shit, why is the far right so full of deluded, psychotic people with mental illness?

>>10818689
the nytimes and cnn are the ones who blew them up and made it sound like they influenced the election, remember according to the nytimes the alt-right is "trump's base" etc. the alt-right didn't do this, your media did

>>10823659
the alt right is not a political movement, but a shapeless manifestation of the psychological impulses that post war liberal modenity was built to repress. the internet alt right is but the surface. We all have a little SS-Oberst-Gruppenführer living inside our heads, sometimes he tries to break out.

>>10823715
alt-right is just the last episode of internet nihilist ideology, it went something like

atheism -> anti-sjw -> alt right

it will be a new shiny thing in 6 months when the alt right becomes uncool when it just fractures into 30 different irreconcilable mini-movements that just fizzle out and die

>>10823732
this is like saying that the far right hasn't existed for decades. the alt-right is just the far right discovering the internet

>>10823732
the altright is not going to go away until the Left ease up on white men. It is the current outlet for white men who aren't going to grovel in front of blacks and women

>>10823751
the alt-right is barely right wing in any sense except the racial stuff

>>10823753
there's nothing unifying the alt-right except their fight against the left as you say, sooner or later they'll have to start clarifying what they want at which point they'll fracture into new meme movements

>>10821044
>Are you insinuating right wingers are any different?
At least /pol/ will go into particulars if prodded, instead of stating the same meme talking points and buzzwords like a broken record.

>>10823764
>there's nothing unifying the alt-right except their fight against the left
>projecting the failures onto the right in some sort of wishful thinking

in case you haven't notice the right has been whipping your ass for the last 40 years

>>10821871
>But she doesn’t explore the root cause of this neo-reactionary wave or the broader implications of it.

How hard is it to say that when you destroy civic norms, structure, and hierarchy, assholes are the ones who benefit the most?

The Left worked on shaming people and daring them not to care. Someone dared not to. And the Left still doesn't get it. Why is that hard to understand?

>>10823732
>it will be a new shiny thing in 6 months
I keep seeing people post this every few month but it never comes true. It fundamentally disregards the entire reason why the internet shifted from left to right. 10 years ago 4chan was left wing because it was perceived that the right was in charge. We went through 8 years under Bush, 2 neocon-fueled wars, and decades of Evangelical theocratic legislation. What changed was the perception of who's in charge. All of a sudden you've got Obama as president with all of this political correctness stuff and critical racial theory stuff coming to the forefront and Evangelical neocons don't seem so all-powerful anymore. And I don't see that type of stuff dying down anytime soon, there's too much money behind it. If anything the whole anti-white, anti-male, anti-straight diatribe the left has been putting out is only going to get more extreme. Nagle is right that 4chan is transgressive, that's exactly why it switched from left to right. And as long as the idpol left continues to rule the global elite, the internet will be right wing.

>>10823764
>there's nothing unifying the alt-right except their fight against the left as you say, sooner or later they'll have to start clarifying what they want at which point they'll fracture into new meme movements
That's just horseshit though. I mean fuck you go to supposedly notorious "altright" sites like 8pol and they don't even consider themselves part of the altright. It's not a political movement and it never was, their goal isn't to organize a political hierarchy it's to shift the window of discourse. They want a social movement and they hardly need to be unified on every issue to do that.

>>10823789
i am not left you retard. what failures of the right? the only failure of the right has been being cucked by the left the last 50 years. name 1 social policy the right was able to revoke after the left established it, there's none

existing old conservatives are just 10 years delayed progressives at this point, nobody is saying that a renewal of the right is not needed, just that the alt-right is just a meme at this point

>>10823799
the thing that really triggered me to sympathize with the right was all the fake cop vs black guy shootings, it was obviously michael brown was rushing the cop from where bullets where on his body, it was obvious the "i can't breath guy" didn't get "choked to death" since a chokehold cuts off your blood not your breath and anyone who did two minutes of mma training knows, oh and the real death blow was when david duke made a video explaining how one mixes "drank" using ice-t, skittles and promethazine or whatever, i was like holy shit, david mother fucking duke is the only guy willing to tell the truth? if the liberal media wants to defeat the alt-right, just stop lying so much and tell the truth

>>10823822
private sector union membership is at an all time low, and the public sector unions are about to get fucking killed in a case going to the supreme court this year, income inequality is at a level not seen since pre-ww1 gilded age, the left is getting fucking KILLED, wow homos can get married and dudes in dresses can piss in the ladies room, irrelevant, those don't cost the ruling class one cent, you are getting fucking SMOKED and you don't even realize it!

>>10823830
the entire Leftists program is based on the lie that if we just do this one additional thing then black people will start behaving like white people.

They can't tell the truth about that ever, and since black people will of course literally never start behaving like white people the Leftist program will never end, and the continued terrible behavior of blacks will be seen as yet more evidence that white men are oppressing them

The entire fucking thing needs to be demolished

>>10823839
ah so by right wing you mean globalist rootless social engineering elites, i guess by that standard of right wing, yeah, they are wining

>>10823830
Well yeah and this kind of draws on another cause of the shift from transgressive left to transgressive right. It's not just that the government was captured by this anti-white, anti-male, anti-straight idpol left, but institutions both public and private. You've got NGOs backed by billionaires, decades-old international organizations, centuries-old academic institutions, and fortune 500 companies in every industry from media to finance and everything in between all supporting this one ideology that target the primary demographic of the internet.

>>10823851
i'm only concerned about economic freedom, i don't care what gay dudes do, hell it's not like i don't wack it to traps, who cares, a lot of trannies are highly paid engineers in the silicon valley, did u see that security researcher trap that got poached from apple by tesla? "her" twitter had a mix of infosec vulnerability notices and tweets to bbcs, lol, wait what were we talking about all this trap talk got me destracted

>>10823875
Yes and I'm sure the fact that he was hired has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he's a tranny.

>>10823636
this nigga gets it, I flag any right leaning video I see on youtube because I know they are more sensitive to that shit and if it does get taken down/demonitised it will annoy the person. Its so little effort on my part but quite delicious if it works. It's funny as fuck to watch people sperg out over 'muh freedom of speech' on youtube

>>10823875
jesus christ

>>10824102
>they are more sensitive to that shit
Say the people who think 'McCarthyism' was a real phenomenon lmao

>>10824109
i think he meant sensitive in that the system will take them down more easily

>>10823875
can you get the link of her twitter my good man?

>>10824109
>implying it wasn't
so this is the power of right-wing revisionism i see

>>10824122
If there was an anti-communist repression going on, what would you call the government's attitude towards fascism at the time? Hyper-repression? How did Fascist filmmakers fare in Hollywood?

But right muh poor commies. How dare people be persecuted for supporting a mass murdering enemy superpower.

>>10822834
In Japan there is a five horned Oni that devours children

>>10824126
>If there was an anti-communist repression going on, what would you call the government's attitude towards fascism at the time? Hyper-repression? How did Fascist filmmakers fare in Hollywood?
fuck off fascist
if not a fascist then a dumb liberal centrist

>>10824154
Communists are just as bad as Fascists you complete fucking retard. You can't cry about the government persecuting you while endorsing people who commit genocide. That makes you the exact same as your nazi bogeymen

>>10824126
>How did Fascist filmmakers fare in Hollywood?
Stanley Kubrick kept making films. That's the only one I know.

>>10823636
>>10824102
I think the point is that he wasn't your enemy until you went after him. Prior to that he was just some misguided kid looking for reasons why he's less successful than everyone told him he would be. But once you target him for being a "Nazi", you push him beyond the point of no return and turn him into an actual Nazi. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. These teenage kids didn't just one day look at a bunch of tattooed ex-con skinheads and think "boy they've got it figured out". It's because people like you called them Nazis in the first place they figured they should look into what it is they apparently are. Of course nowadays it's turned into a positive feedback loop where enough younger people think this way that it's turned into it's own subculture that will continue to recruit and grow.

>>10824643
yeah if i were a nazi recruiter i'd make a bunch of fake sjw accounts and doxx my own dudes to make them permanent footsoldiers, but since the left is doing it for free, no need

>>10823830
>if the liberal media wants to defeat the alt-right, just stop lying so much and tell the truth

The problem is that there's "political" people (parasites) and "productive" people, as Weber talked about. Political people don't just life in politics but off of it. Your pseudo-intellectual academics, pop culture critics, bureaucrats, basically the entire media and establishment politicians and lobbyists. Productive people make and sell stuff with actual utility and are the real workers/intellectuals/businessmen.

The Right has a worthless political class too but the Left has basically purged any productive people out for having badwrongthink. I have a dedicated social justice friend who had to leave organizations for having minor disagreements about gender or being accused of transphobia without once ever using a slur or wrong pronoun.

Trump has lots of issues but at least he did something unlike the political class which just constantly yells or browbeats people who actually work for a living. I had little in common with the man politically but goddamn I am disgusted with the media, Twitterati, and worthless establishment politicians who hate him so much.

>>10824652
It's not even just the doxxing. You could probably convince a good number of young white men that the left is hostile to them based on what activists say on twitter.

>>10824652
The left is so quick to call anyone and everyone who diverges from "progress" a Nazi because they actually want Nazis. They want an enemy to fight and they're probably going to get it.

>>10824708
well it's a lot easier to fight nazis (a group hated by the big bourgeoisie and capitalist ruling class) than it is to actually go out and organize the working class and fight capital, fighting nazis in 2018, generations after the american military industrial complex mobilized to actually defeat them, is cowardly at best, if u witch hunt nazis no one in power is threated, u try unionize some workers, and you're gonna catch a load of shit from the kochs on down to the fbi

>>10824715
>actually go out and organize the working class and fight capital,

What fight? The working class has 401k's and pensions bound up in capital. Why the fuck are they going to join you?

>>10824726
>all of the underemployed working part time jobs and w2 contractors are getting fat 401ks

what fantasy economy do u live in

>>10824708
you are nazis tho

>>10824749
that's because the options are 'grovel in front of us or be a nazi'. If we don't grovel we are de facto nazis, so why not play the part. The Nazis at least got somewhere

>>10824734

The proletariat includes all working class you retard and many of them have pensions or retirement funds. Or is this just your fight against rich people you obviously envy?

>>10824820
the only working class people who have pensions are in some government union

>oh shit unions raise the standard of living of the working class

well now what is this

>>10824830
>the only working class people who have pensions are in some government union

Which is why I also mentioned retirement funds you dumbfuck. You don't even know who the working class is. How the fuck are you going to organize them?

>oh shit unions raise the standard of living of the working class

Yeah, let's go back to non-portable pensions when the average worker switches jobs 12 times. What worked in the 50s sure would work today.

>>10814989
>my feet hurt
The only thing missing for this to be perfect

More interesting: http://fieldday.ie/episode-02-angela-nagle-on-internet-subcultures/

>>10825771
stop following the zero books twitter account