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Can we get one of these going? I lost all my files and can't find any in the archives.

Just ordered Plato's complete works, requesting a Plato chart.

>> No.10809887

>>10809865
>Absalom Absalom!
>optional
It's his best work desu

>> No.10809905

>>10809865
Living in his hometown now for college and still haven't read anything by him

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>>10809865

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>>10809905
If you're an undergrad, you're either going to hate him or pretend to love him. It takes some time and attention to realize why Faulkner is good. Otherwise you're gonna end up like pic related. I'd start with the collected stories, the first three sections.

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>>10809916

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>> No.10811126

>>10809865
Absalom is his best novel m8

>> No.10811166

>>10809934
I am angry now.

>> No.10811202

>>10809934

>women LARPing as intellectuals

Top kek.

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I am inept with anything but text, so heregoes:
READ
>Slaughterhouse 5
>Cat’s Cradle
>Look At the Birdie
OPTIONAL
>Breakfast of Champions
>Hocus Pocus
AVOID
>Player Piano
>Galapagos

>> No.10811345

>>10811283
File everything of Vonnegut's under "Avoid". Larry Niven knew what was cool, making him burn in hell eternally was sweet.

>> No.10811360

>>10809865
Light in August is fire bars
Still gotta read Sanctuary
Otherwise I can't speak on this chart, but Sound and the Fury is also fire bars

>> No.10812635

>>10809865
>Absalom, Absalom!
>optional
Who made this shitty image?

>> No.10812645

I haven't read all the novels by Calvino, but here's my take on what I've read:
>READ
If on a winter's night a traveler
Invisible Cities
>OPTIONAL
The Baron in the Trees
The Cloven Viscount
The Nonexistent Knight
>AVOID
Mr. Palomar
The Castle of Crossed Destinies

I plan on reading "The Path to the Nest of Spiders" this year.

>> No.10812670

>>10811283
>Kurt "they made soap and lamp out of the JUICE" Vonnegurt
lmao no thanks anon

>> No.10812975

>>10811360
>Still gotta read Sanctuary

You really don't

>> No.10813028

This meme works humorously with some authors

e.g. Cervantes

READ
Donn Quixote

OPTIONAL
-

AVOID
-

>> No.10813071

For McCarthy I'd say

READ
>Blood Meridian
>Suttree
>The Crossing
>The Road

OPTIONAL
>All the Pretty Horses
>Cities of the Plain
>Outer Dark
>Child of God
>No Country for Old Men

AVOID
>The Orchard Keeper


>>10812645
this is a good list, I'd say include Cosmicomics under optional as well

>>10811283
agreed. Maybe put Sirens of Titan under read? Or optional.

>> No.10813079

>>10809865
...unsure about that... AA and Light in August are some of his best works, in my opinion, both of them combined at least as good as The Sound and the Fury and As I Lay Dying -- in fact, I'd pick those two over TSATF or AILD, they're probably my 2 favorite novels by him. I mean, it makes sense if you're just reading to be seen as well-read, because AILD and TSATF are his most well-known works, I guess. But if you're actually reading for pleasure and are the type to like modernist texts/Faulkner in particular, I wouldn't skip those two.

>> No.10813099

>>10809865
>Requesting a plato chart

found this archived post
>Start with the Apology; it's the key to the rest of the dialogues, and almost all of them make some reference to some aspect of the Apology. Keep in mind that it's a work of philosophy, and not a historic account, and you'll be good to go. After that, it's really up to you, since there a couple of ways to order those dialogues: 1) By *seeming* difficulty: Apology, Euthyphro, Crito, the Symposium, Phaedo, Republic, Parmenides. This is helpful if you're really just looking to dip into Plato to see what's there. 2) "Developmental" order: (roughly the same order as above). This might be an indication of what order the dialogues were written, though there's really no good way to say whether Plato's thought really actually develops according to the three basic periods some scholars say his basic approaches would fit within; Republic and Phaedo both have different accounts of the soul but are both "Middle" period dialogues; no dialogue contains exactly the same views concerning the Forms, regardless of period; Socrates almost always uses question-and-answer modes at some point or another, regardless of whether one is to take him as Plato's strict mouthpiece. 3) "Dramatic" dating: Parmenides, Republic, Symposium, Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Phaedo. This approach would be the most rewarding for a philosophy student who's already read these dialogues before, and wants to see how Plato wants to present Socrates as a whole to us. Very hard to read in this order, but one gets to see relations that would otherwise be missed. Some other dialogues that might go well with those would be: Theaetetus, Sophist, Statesman (all of which relate to Parmenides and the four dialogues that take place around Socrates' trial and execution).

Gorgias and Phaedrus: Both deal with rhetoric, but the Gorgias is connected to the Republic by the concern with Justice, and the Phaedrus to the Symposium by the concern with Love. Cratylus: Relates to the Euthyphro and the dialogues at the end of Socrates' life in general. It's about language, and it's one of Plato's funniest dialogues. Maybe Timaeus as well, which alludes to the Republic. Other than that, the rest are great from a certain philosophic perspective, but maybe not so essential to someone who'd just like familiarity.

>> No.10813145

How about Hemingway?

READ
>A Farewell To Arms
>For Whom The Bell Tolls
>The Old Man And The Sea
>Short stories: Hills Like White Elephants; The Snows Of Kilimanjaro; A Clean Well-Lighted Place; The Short Happy Life Of Francis Macromber

OPTIONAL
>Death in the Afternoon
>The Sun Also Rises
>A Moveable Feast
>The Nick Adams Stories

AVOID
>Everything else

>> No.10813185

>>10811283
I'd put Slapstick in 'read'.

>> No.10813224

>>10813145
Sun Also Rises is his best tho

>> No.10813252

>>10813145
>SaR optional
>aFtA and fWtBT read
You fucked up

>> No.10813269

>>10809865
Are Faulkner's stories really that good? I loved tS&tF and AILD. Can anyone confirm?

>> No.10813272

Nabokov

READ
>Lolita
>Pale Fire
>Invitation to a Beheading

OPTIONAL
>Despair
>The Gift
>The later stories

AVOID
>Ada
>Mary
>Bend Sinister

Everything else goes in optional, but I actually think almost everything he wrote is worth reading.

>> No.10813275

>>10812645
Palomar is GOAT you faggot. So is non-existent knight.

>> No.10813279

>>10813224
>>10813252
Hmmm... not sure what's going on with this strange Sun Also Rises love. Bunch of self-pitying time-wasters wander around and then nothing happens and then nothing happens some more. Wasn't EH supposed to be trying to show how the "lost generation" were actually splendid people? If anything, he proved the opposite.

>> No.10813287

>>10813224
>>10813252
Pleb high schooler taste
His best is FwtBT

>> No.10813292

>>10813269
I read TSATF a while back, best thing ever, so now I'm on AbsolomAbsolomAbsolomAbsolom and it seems pretty good.
(Not nearly as "difficult" as I was led to believe; not so far at any rate.)

>> No.10813298

>>10813272
>Ada
>Avoid

the fuck u on about

>> No.10813308

>>10813292
But but what about the collected stories

>> No.10813327

>>10813308
I read Go Down Moses and it was OK but no more than that. Wouldn't say it was required.

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>>10812645
>I nostri antennati trilogy
>Optional

>> No.10813339

>>10813028
Cervantes wrote more than just Don Quijote, anon.

>> No.10813349

>>10809865
>Avoid: Mosquitoes

Well that's just generally good advice. Can't focus on what you're reading with those little shits buzzing about.

>> No.10813721

>>10813331
Don't get me wrong, I loved it, but compared to "If on a winter's night a traveler" and "Invisible Cities", it's optional.

>>10813275
I love the structure, but it's really underwhelming, save for a few chapters.

>>10813071
"Cosmicomics" is a short story collection, but it can go under optional, I guess. I need to read his other short stuff to be able to make a short story tier list. I'm planning on reading Marcovaldo soon, but as of now I'm not interested in any of his other short story collections.

>>10813145
"The Sun Also Rises" is definitely a must-read, and "For Whom The Bell Tolls" should be in optional. I'd also put "In Our Time" as a must-read. It doesn't have the short stories you listed, but I think it's an amazing work.

>> No.10813747

READ
>V.
>The Crying of Lot 49
>Gravity's Rainbow
>Vineland
>Mason & Dixon
>Against the Day
>Inherent Vice
>Bleeding Edge

OPTIONAL
Slowlearner

AVOID
David Foster Wallace

>> No.10813752

>>10812975

I know Faulkner claimed to have written it just for money, but I think Sanctuary is a great work.

>>10811360

>> No.10814024

>>10813269
His short stories display his talent a lot better than the books, which are subtle.

>> No.10814053

>>10813752

It's a meme and he's said himself he rewrote the entire thing after writing it as a cash grab.

Also McCarthy's No Country for Old Men ripped off Sanctuary.

>> No.10814089

>>10809934
I love when people assume other people who like something they don't are pretending.

>> No.10814091

>>10809865
Absalom, Absalom is also a must and you ought to avoid a Fable and pylon

>> No.10814114

>>10813028
So where does Persiles land?

>> No.10814165

>>10810140
>Heller dunking on Joyce
lmao

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Banks is cozy

>> No.10814955

>>10814272
ugly covers though

>> No.10815044

>>10809887
not all can be must read

>> No.10815064

>>10809865
>absalom and LIA optional

confirmed pleb

also what about sanctuary

>> No.10815077

>>10814053
theres skepticism that faulkner termed sanctuary as a potboiler but actually it wasnt really

sanctuary is an underrated masterpiece IMO

>> No.10815084

Joyce Kino

read
>finnegans wake

optional
>everything else

>> No.10815086

DELILLO

MUST READ:
WHITE NOISE
LIBRA
MAO II
UNDERWORLD

OPTIONAL
EVERYTHING ELSE

>> No.10815117

>>10815086
what a meme

>> No.10815128

>>10813349
Aw man I thought someone was actually gonna stick up for Mosquitoes. I have a soft spot for that book.

>> No.10815137

>>10810140
Good as gold is so shit though

>> No.10815142

>>10814053
McCarthy ripping off Faulkner?! Damn, anon. My head just popped off my shoulders and spun around in the air out of surprise.

>> No.10815149

>>10813752
>>10815077
You're in good company. Borges admired it.

>> No.10815247

>>10815137

I thought it had some really funny lines. e.g.

Gold was struck again how many gorgeous tall women fell in love with shorter men like himself who were rapacious, egotistical and scheming. She couldn't be expected to know he was rapacious and scheming but she had to suspect he was shorter.

But I agree it's not a patch on C22 or SH. Maybe I was too generous with the "OPTIONAL" ones.

>> No.10815288

>>10809865
>avoid Soldiers Pay

I actually quite like Soldiers Pay. It’s his first novel, and it’s clear he hasn’t hit his stride yet, but it’s a solid novel with some great prose, interesting characters, and compelling themes. I would list it as optional.

>> No.10815401

>>10809865
>tfw never have read more than 4 books from an author

>> No.10815561
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READ
>Metamorphoses
>Love Poems

OPTIONAL
>Heroides
>Fasti

AVOID
>Tristia
>Ibis
>Epistulae ex Ponto

>> No.10816264

>>10814089
It's really not a far stretch anon, it's like the Infinte Jest reviews that lambast it for having paragraphs that are too long and writing that is too "obtuse" thereby missing the whole point of the book.

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>>10813747

>> No.10816299

>>10809865
Bolaño

READ
>2666
>The Savage Detectives
>Distant Star
>By Night in Chile
>Collected short stories

OPTIONAL
>Amulet
>Antwerp
>The Skating Rink
>Nazi Literature in the Americas
>Monsieur Pain
>A Little Lumpen Novelita
>The Third Reich

AVOID
>The Woes of the True Policeman
>The Spirit of Science Fiction
>Cowboy Graves

Haven't read his poems nor his non-fiction.

>> No.10816316

>>10815561
Art of Love should be Read.

>> No.10816320

>>10809865
Borges

>READ

All his stories

>OPTIONAL

Poetry and essays

>AVOID

Early racist pamphlets.

>> No.10816328

>>10809905
why ole miss friend

>> No.10816331

>>10813071
Switch The Road with Child of God and it's fine.

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>>10813145

>> No.10817155

bump

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>>10814272
Totally; it’s a real shame. The 80’s/90’s covers are GOAT though.

>> No.10817167

>>10817164
Meant for
>>10814955

>> No.10817478

------- ROBERT BROWNING ------

READ
>"The Year's at the Spring" from Pippa Passes
>My Last Duchess
>The Lost Leader
>Fra Lippo Lippi
>Andrea Del Sarto

OPTIONAL
>Porphyria's Lover
>Soliloquy of the Spanish Cloister
>The Bishop Orders His Tomb at Saint Praxed's Church
>Home Thoughts from Abroad
>Meeting at Night
>A Toccata of Galuppi's
>Childe Roland to the Dark Tower Came
>The Patriot
>Bishop Blougram’s Apology
>Caliban upon Setebos
>Rabbi Ben Ezra

AVOID
Everything else.
Especially:
>The Ring And The Book
>Sordello
(Sorry Ezra!)

>> No.10817708

Need one for Agatha Roastie pls

>> No.10817884

Read:
>Metamorphosis
>Trial
>In the Penal Colony
Optional:
>Amerika
>Country Doctor
Avoid
>Castle
>every other short story

>> No.10818114

>>10817884
Add The Hunger Artist to "Read"

>> No.10818161

----- TED HUGHES -----

READ
>Crow
>Hawk in the Rain
>Lupercal

OPTIONAL
>Tales from Ovid
>Birthday Letters
>Wodwo
>Moortown Diary
>Gaudete
>The Iron Man

AVOID
>Everything else

>> No.10818783

>>10816299
I thought the Skating Rink was wonderful, and Nazi Literature was fun, but I haven read the other stuff so you might be right. Can you explain why you didnt like the AVOID? I know those were his scrapped ones but I eventually want to get to them.

>> No.10818804

>>10814272
Should I start the Culture series in order?

>> No.10818806

>>10817478
Useful, I just bought the Norton Critical.

>> No.10819162

OSCAR WILDE
-----
Read:
>The Picture of Dorian Grey
>Ballad of Reading Goal
>Teleny, or The Reverse Medal
>The Importance of Being Earnest

Optional:
>Lady Windermire's Fan
>The Little Prince and Other Stories
>An Ideal Husband

Avoid:
>De Profundis

>> No.10819577

>>10813269
I absolutely despise AILD. I lament the time I spent on it, and spend more time than I'd like to remembering it.
How was the book redeemable in any way?

>> No.10820206

>>10811283
I've read all of his work (unfortunately). If you're looking at getting into him, I'd add Mother Night to Read and move Look at the Birdie down to optional. Galapagos could be optional, but everything else can and should be Avoid.
>>10813185
Why? It's his worst book by a mile, and that's saying something. Genuinely curious, as I've never heard of anyone, even Vonnegut, not talking shit about Slapstick. What about it spoke to you?

>>10813272
Ada is not Avoid.

>>10813224
This.
>>10813279
Read up on Existentialism a bit, then read it again. Or fall for a bitch, have her not notice or care, then read it again. A lot of people relate to TSAR for a reason

>>10813721
I'm loving everything this guy is saying.

>>10813269
They are.


I'll do a couple shitty authors, since no one else will want to touch these with a 10 ft. pole.

Kerouac

READ
>The Subterraneans (actually decent)
>On the Road (shit, but influential)
>The Dharma Bums (interesting)

OPTIONAL
>Big Sur (sad old alcoholic stuff)

AVOID
>LITERALLY every other published word the man wrote


King

READ
>The Shining
>The Stand
>The Dark Tower Series
>It

OPTIONAL
>The Dead Zone
>The Green Mile
>Hearts in Atlantis

AVOID
>Everything else


H. Murakami

READ
>Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World
>Norwegian Wood
>The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle
>Kafka on the Shore

OPTIONAL
>Hear the Wind Sing
>Pinball, 1973
>Colorless Tsukuru and His Years of Pilgrimage

AVOID
>Pretty much everything else, esp. IQ84

Now pardon me while I go rinse out my eyes with bleach.

>> No.10820244

>>10814272
Against a Dark Background is his best one.

>> No.10820247

>>10818804
No, start with Player of Games.

>> No.10820248

>>10812645
Castle was good but Palomar was so dull that at times I found myself wondering if Calvino wasn't just trolling me

>> No.10820255

Can someone make an Umberto Eco list?

>> No.10820459

Stephen King:

Read: First third of The Stand
Optional: Second third of The Stand
Avoid: Last third of The Stand

>> No.10820531

>>10813145
Put On the Quai at Smyrna, Big Two-Hearted River, and The Sun Also Rises into Read.

Put For Whom The bell Tolls and Farewell to Arms into optional.

>> No.10820768

>>10809865
I’ve read and enjoyed 2/3 of the read and 1/2 of the optional ...

But I juuuust bought Mosquitos like an hour ago. Why avoid?

>> No.10820771

>>10820206
No love for Misery? I haven’t read much King, but It was my favorite of the bunch.

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>> No.10821793

>>10815142
i love you anon

>>10815077
it's really great and the reputation it has breaks my heart

>> No.10821807
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READ
>A Dark Brown Dog
>The Bride Comes to Yellow Sky
>The Open Boat
>The Blue Hotel
>The Red Badge of Courage
>Maggie: A Girl of the Streets

OPTIONAL
>War is Kind and Other Lines
>The Black Riders and Other Lines
>The Third Violet

UNECESSARY
>Anything else

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Jorge Luis Borges

READ
>Ficciones
>Labyrinths
>The Aleph

OPTIONAL
>A Universal History of Iniquity
>The Book of Sand / Shakespeare's Memory
>Brodie's Report
>Selected Poems
(though I've always been iffy of poetry in translation)

AVOID (unless you've read everything else)
>Selected Non-Fictions


--
Natsume Soseki

READ
>Kokoro
>I Am A Cat

OPTIONAL
>Sanshiro

AVOID
>Botchan

--

Haruki Murakami

READ
>The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle
>Kafka on the Shore
>After the Quake
>The Elephant Vanishes

OPTIONAL
>1Q84
(I liked it, but I read it when I was 16 and unfamiliar with Murakami, who really wears on you)
>Norwegian Wood
>Blind Hollow, Sleeping Woman
>Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World

AVOID
>Hear the Wind Sing / Pinball, 1973
>Colorless Tsukuru Tazaki
>After Dark
>Sputnik Sweetheart
etc.

>> No.10822369

>>10820771
I loved Misery, but that was almost 20 years ago, so I wouldn't vouch for it anymore. I guess add that one and Gerald's Game under OPTIONAL.

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>>10809865
Can someone do one for Shakespeare please?

>> No.10822426

>>10822383
'twould be like the best anime characters - top-heavy.

>> No.10822465

>>10822383
>>10822426

OK, here's my cursory thoughts:

READ
>The Tempest
>Measure for Measure
>Much Ado About Nothing
>A Midsummer Night's Dream
>The Merchant of Venice
>As You Like It
>The Taming of the Shrew
>Twelfth Night
>The Winter's Tale
>Coriolanus
>Titus Andronicus
>Romeo and Juliet
>Timon of Athens
>Julius Caesar
>Macbeth
>Hamlet
>King Lear
>Othello
>Antony and Cleopatra
>Cymbeline
>Richard II
>Henry IV, Part 1
>Henry IV, Part 2
>Henry V
>Richard III

>The Sonnets


OPTIONAL
>Two Gentlemen of Verona
>The Merry Wives of Windsor
>The Comedy of Errors
>Love's Labour's Lost
>All's Well That Ends Well
>Pericles, Prince of Tyre
>The Two Noble Kinsmen
>Troilus and Cressida

>The Rape of Lucrece
>Venus and Adonis


AVOID
>Henry VIII
>Edward III
>King John
>Henry VI, Part 1
>Henry VI, Part 2
>Henry VI, Part 3

>A Lover's Complaint
>The Phoenix and the Turtle

>> No.10822566

>>10822465
Thanks a lot. Jesus Christ I was hoping for like 3 or 4 required to get off easy. How much analysis should I read for each work?

>> No.10822570

>>10822465
>avoid Henry VIII
What?

>> No.10822602

>>10822566

OK, we need another tier, "DEFINITELY READ THIS"

In order of important, if your time is very limited, I would say:

>Hamlet
>King Lear
>Henry IV part 1
>Twelfth Night
>Anthony & Cleopatra
>A Midsummer Night's Dream

That's six which cover tragedy, history, comedy, "early" and "late" style.
They also get you his 2 best male characters (Hamlet, Falstaff) and his best female (Cleopatra).

Sadly this leaves out Othello & Macbeth. Sigh. Whatya gonna do?

>> No.10822648

>>10813272
>Ada
>into the trash

pseud detected

>> No.10822657

>>10820206
I liked Black House by King, I wasn't into the refrencing to whatever the pre-sequel was, but I liked how the story played out

>> No.10822777

>>10809934
>and at the risk of sounding immodest, I am bright

>> No.10822857

>>10822602
Thanks a lot, I'll throw in Macbeth and Othello

>> No.10823067

>>10810140
"Something Happened" is probably the best not classical novel I've ever read.

>> No.10823111

>>10815561
Ibis I can understand, but why avoid Tristia and Ex Ponto?

>> No.10823132

Samuel Beckett

MUST:
>Trilogy
>Waiting for Godot
>Endgame
>Happy Days
>Krapp's Last Tape
>All That Fall
>How It Is

OPTIONAL:
>The rest of his shorter plays
>Watt
>Murphy
>Novellas
>Mercier et Camier
>Three Dialogues
>a couple of his poems (e.g. Cascando)

AVOID:
>Proust
>most of his poetry
>A Dream of Fair to Meddling Women
>most of his short prose fiction

>> No.10823226

>>10816299
Wrong but almost there

READ
Los detectives salvajes
2666
Los sinsabores del verdadero policia
Estrella Distante
La literatura nazi en los Americas
Amuleto

OPTIONAL
La universidad desconocida
Cuentos
Entre parentesis
Sepulcros de vaqueros
Nocturno de Chile (Could have been written by an entirely different writer)
Monsieur Pan

AVOID
El tercer reich
Antwerp
La pista de hielo
Una novelita lumpen
El espiritu de la ciencia ficcion


All the above are ordered by quality/importance and also adhere to a suggested reading order

>>10818783
Not him but Woes is essential and is some of his most delightful writing. The most delicious fat from 2666. Can't recommend it enough.

Science fiction is for completionists only.

Sepulcros de vaqueros I believe hasn't even been translated into English so not sure why he ranks it so low if he hasn't even read it yet. Despite being 'unfinished' it reads very completely and is a hybrid of Estrella distante and maybe Sinsabores for its fractiousness.

>> No.10823237

>>10822383
>>10822465
Going to supplement yours with mine if any other minds are interested. Eschewing the format I'll just rank from most enjoyable to least:

Macbeth
Hamlet
Othello
12th Night
King Lear
Midsummer
Julius Caesar
Merchant of Venice
Measure for Measure
The Tempest
Henry VI, Part Three
Coriolanus
Romeo and Juliet
Henry IV Part Two
Richard III
Richard II
Henry IV Part One
Merry Wives of Windsor
Henry V
Titus Andronicus
The Comedy of Errors
A Winter’s Tale
Henry VI, Part One
Henry VI, Part Two
Love’s Labour Lost
Antony and Cleopatra
As You Like It


Not a complete list but it's a lot

>> No.10823282

>>10820206
Kerouac, King, and Murakami

READ
>
OPTIONAL
>
AVOID
> Everything

>> No.10823313

Dante Alighieri
READ
>Divine Comedy
>La Vita Nuova
OPTIONAL
>the rest desu

>> No.10823410

>>10823282
Hahahaha

How about:

Stephenie Meyer

READ
>Her will to see if you're in it, making it worth while killing her

OPTIONAL
>nothing

AVOID
>her books

>> No.10824019

>>10817884
I agree >>10818114

>> No.10824095

>>10822602
>Henry IV Part 1
My nigga.

>> No.10824097

>>10819162
>Avoiding the most beautiful essay on homosexual love and desire.
Why would you do this to yourself?

>> No.10824568

>>10821787
Do you have any for Jung?

>> No.10824664

>>10821807
>The Bride Comes to Yellow Sky
Absolutely GOAT short story

>> No.10825751

>>10822131
Why avoid Botchan?
Anyway, thank you

>>10821807
Quick rundown on this guy

>>10822465
Are his sonnets good? Give a sampler please.

>> No.10826061

>>10813298
>>10820206
>>10822648
Ada is the ultimate pseud filter. If you like it, you're a pseud.

>> No.10826062

>>10822465
Timon of Athens really doesn't belong in read. It's not underrated, honestly it's pretty shit.

>> No.10826097

Nikos Kazantzakis:

Read:
>Christ Recrucified
>Zorba the Greek
>Freedom or Death
>Last Temptation of Christ
>The Odyssey: A Modern Sequel

Optional:
>Fratricides
>St Francis
>Rock Garden
>Report to Greco

Avoid: (these aren't necessarily bad but unless you're a massive fan don't bother)
>Serpent and Lily
>Toda Raba
>Alexander the Great
>everything else

>> No.10826130

>>10826097
>fratricides
>report to el greco
>optional

>freedom or death
>read

U wot m8is?

>> No.10826131

>>10809865
Kadare

READ
>everything

>> No.10826168

>>10826062
Yeah, can't argue with this. I shoulda put Timon in Optional.

>> No.10826208

>>10825751
>Quick Rundown on this guy

Stephen Crane was born in 1871 in New Jersey and died tragically of tuberculosis in a Black Forest sanatorium in Germany at the age of 28. It's guessed he was made vulnerable to such a sickness after barely surviving a swim to shore after his ship the SS Commodore sank off the shore of Cuba. This would inspire one of his most striking short stories "The Open Boat."

Overall his writing is regarded as highly innovative within the Realist tradition, his being highly evocative of the Naturalistic and Impressionistic art movements (though he didn't think himself joined to any real movement per se). His writings often portray the world as fully uncaring towards Man's fate.

Admittedly he's probably only REALLY important to read if you're an American or interested in American themes, but he's damn good at what he does: writing beautiful, intense portraits of American characters struggling against fate.

>> No.10826266

>>10814272
but Use of Weapons was my favourite Banks novel.

>> No.10826270

>>10818804
I read them in the published order (which is not chronological btw) and it was fine that way.

>> No.10826289

ARTHUR CONAN DOYLE

READ
>The Adventures Of Sherlock Holmes
>The Memoirs Of Sherlock Holmes
>The Hound Of The Baskervilles
>The Lost World

OPTIONAL
>The Return Of Sherlock Holmes
>The Case-Book Of Sherlock Holmes
>His Last Bow
>A Study In Scarlet
>The Sign Of The Four
>The Valley Of Fear
>The White Company
>Micah Clarke

AVOID
>Everything else, especially if it includes fairies

>> No.10826478

>>10813747
lmao

>> No.10826572

>>10822131
>>Ficciones
>>Labyrinths
>>The Aleph
Redundant, ignore Labyrinths as it is a compilation from the other two

>> No.10826734

>>10826130
You could make the case for Greco, I'll concede that. But, while I enjoy Fratricides, it just doesn't compare to the others. And the guy was Cretan, for fuck's sake, so F/D is massively important in understanding him. Captain Michalis has to be one of the most important characters Kazantzakis ever wrote, considering how much the guy was based off his father.

>> No.10826747

can anybody do Thomas Mann?

>> No.10826898

>>10816316
Literally on there

>> No.10827378

J.G. Ballard:

Read:
>Crash
>High-Rise
>Empire of the Sun
>The Atrocity Exhibition
>Short stories: The Dead Time, The Terminal Beach, The Dead Astronaut, The Subliminal Man, Low-Flying Aircraft

Optional:
>Concrete Island
>Super-Cannes
>The Kindness of Women
>The Crystal World
>The Drowned World
>Other short stories (recommend are: The Voices of Time, The Day of Forever, The Greatest Television Show on Earth, The Concentration City, The Intensive Care Unit)
>The Unlimited Dream Company
>Running Wild
>Cocaine Nights

Avoid:
>Kingdom Come
>Rushing to Paradise
>The Day of Creation
>Hello America
>Millennium People

>> No.10827400

Yukio Mishima:

Read:
>Runaway Horses
>The Temple of the Golden Pavilion
>Confessions of a Mask
>The Sound of Waves
>Patriotism

Optional:
>The Sailor Who Fell From Grace With The Sea
>Forbidden Colours
>Spring Snow
>After the Banquet
>Sun and Steel

Avoid:
>The Temple of Dawn
>The Decay of the Angel
>Thirst for Love

>> No.10827413

Robert Heinlein
READ
>starship troopers
OPTIONAL
>Moon is a harsh mistress
AVOID
>stranger in a strange land

I really don't read multiple of one author, unless I really like the author's writing.

>> No.10827415

>>10823226
Thanks. I'm so hyped for 2666, after reading TSD two years ago and it being one of my all time favs.

>> No.10827878

>>10820248
>Castle was good
Why do you think this?

>> No.10828347

>>10824097
Because homosexuals are incapable of love, only desire.

>> No.10828451

OK let's do a proper one for RAH.

---------- Robert Heinlein ----------

READ
>Starship Troopers
>The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress
>Time Enough For Love
>Stranger In A Strange Land

OPTIONAL
>The Door Into Summer
>Friday
>Tunnel In The Sky
>Farnham's Freehold

AVOID
>Everything else

>> No.10828479

>>10826289
>A Study in Scarlet
>Optional

Well fuck you too.

>> No.10828501

>>10828347
>Homosexuals are only capable of desire
What are you doing here, Erich Fromm? Your birthday is still two weeks away.