/lit/ - Literature

first for sanderfag a hack

>>10806319
Second for the eternal master

Someone recommend me some sword-and-sorcery please.

>>10806311
>no thread questions
lets go with the standard
>what did you finish reading?
>what are you currently reading?

Any books with colored main characters in it? I'm getting tired of reading straight white male protagonists.

>>10806311
>malazan obligatory
took a 2 month break from the genre after finishing Memories of Ice, starting pic related sometime this week, wish me luck on my journey fellas

>>10806401
Binti and its sequel (or are all three books out by now?) by Nnedi Okorafor. The main character is a girl who's part of a minority culture (and yes she does have dark skin) struggling to find her place when her family is very traditional in some ways but she wants to go join an academy that's off-world.

It also involves a bunch of people being killed by aliens with tentacles that have sharp stingers.

It's pretty solid.

>>10806401
Dune
American Gods(you're better off with Anansi Boys tebehe)

>>10806401
Xenogenesis trilogy. Although it's more like "dude feminism lmao". Still top tier sci-fi, tho.

>>10806385
Finished Iron Dragons Daughter. It's okay but was dragging a bit for me in the middle.

Started The City and the City. Saw that the Brits are making a TV series about it due this year. Book is great so far.

>>10806383
Michael Moorcock's Elric

Downloads: http://b-ok.org/s/?q=Childhood%27s+End

>>10806777
>interesting start
>not the greatest middle
>ending seemed to be waning
>mfw the last 30 pages

It's what everyone remembers about it isn't it? Like a decent dance that ends with an incredible flourish that leaves you grasping for air

>>10806782
>"this is the Childhood's End"
Wow, really Clarke?

>>10806704
He said good.

>>10806383
Robert E. Howard
C.L. Moore
This: >>10806704

Why is there so little fantasy that isn't written by woman worshipping soyboy cucks? I am sick of this.

>>10807345
>muh contemporary
There's literally thousands of fantasy books written by either dead or soon to be dead white men.

>>10807345
It truly is mystifying. I consider myself very traditionalist, but constantly politicizing absolutely everything is poison for the soul. Likewise, I try not to get too caught up worrying about non-'traditional' female representation, but the way they always go about injecting it into everything it is so paradoxically contrary to what they claim to believe. Every female protagonist of this new wave of fantasy/scifi is always written as if they are some amazing outlier that women could never aspire to. If it's not that, it's a female character that's generally written by a European, male author who's introduced as simply a matter of pseudo-religious sacrament, as if there absolutely has to be a female main or the work could not possibly stand regardless of what it is - and they will stop at nothing to bend whatever idea they have to accommodate them. It's always "the first ever female airship captain", "the cross-dressing renegade who joined the king's army", etc. It's some weird, socially acceptable form of tokenism. "Women are valuable because I go out of my way to invent a circumstance in which they are exceptionally valuable, every single time." You can argue that, hey, that's fantasy, right? But why do they always frame it in a society where a female soldier or whatever is something to be ostracized? The social justice element always has to be there.

You get the feeling these people wouldn't be able to characterize a loving mother or faithful wife if they tried.

>>10807493
>female

They're called women you fucking cretin, we're not talking about giraffes or wolves.

>>10807762
These women haters are getting out of line.

>>10807778
Are you getting sarcastic with me son?

>>10807493
>i use big words to hide my empty waffle

>>10807762
What did he mean by this

>>10807785
U wot m8?

>>10807809
I meant "stop referring to women as 'females' and men as 'males' you miserable piece of autistic garbage"

Why is this so popular

>>10807824
I'm impressed, this is a new one.

>>10807842
Thanks anon

Children of Dune was very boring, does that make me a brainlet?

>>10807859
No, but imagine how bored you were as a Frenchie reading Messiah based on the cover

>>10807870
>the Chad Atreides

>>10807874
Messiah got the best covers for some reason

Requesting that picture with all the pro and anti Vietnam war authors.

>>10807830
Is it? I've never heard of it.

>>10807859
No, it's a generally agreed fact that Children is shit and only worth the read if you're planning to read God Emperor.

If Thrax is meant to be Argentina sometime in the future then where the hell is the Torturer's guild meant to be?

>>10806401

Earthsea trilogy.

>>10807953
probably the most accurate map which is nevertheless still the result of approximations and educated guesses

>>10807974
So are the Ascians just from the northern part of South America? Or are they all of central and Northern America as well?

And are there any clues about what’s going on in the rest of the world? Should I assume there are still many if not hundreds of other plants inhabited by humans but they’re largely cut off from one another? I haven’t reread the series yet but I love the little clues about life here and there

>>10807953
Thrax is Peru ya dingus

>>10807998
>So are the Ascians just from the northern part of South America? Or are they all of central and Northern America as well?
No idea

>And are there any clues about what’s going on in the rest of the world?
There's very little... I would assume that Abaia, Erebus and their ilk are somehow controlling things.

>>10808017
You're pretty daft aren't you anon?

>>10808017
Wtf are Abaia and Erebus anyway. I read through BOTNS trying to absorb as much as possible with the intention of rereading in the future, but I’m still pretty lost about them

>>10808030
>You're pretty daft aren't you anon?
Yes

>>10808037
Abaia is a huge underwater sea monster which is controlling the Ascians. He has a harem of those undines that Severian dreams about. Erebus is another monster but land-based, in fact probably based in Antarctica on Mount Erebus.

They have beef with Severian because they oppose the coming of the New Sun. I think at least Abaia may have come to Earth from space but I don't know if that's confirmed.

Gene Wolfe bases all of these things on actual mythology, so Abaia is modelled after the actual Abaia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaia

And Erebus on the Erebus of the Greeks:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erebus

That gives you the flavour of what they represent.

>>10808091
But like what are they? Where did they come from? Are they aliens?

>>10808097
They're monsters. I'm not sure if there's a definite answer on their origin.

So, they could have come to Earth from space. On the other hand, look at what happens in the story with Baldanders. He's clearly trying to become like Abaia. He started as a human scientist and his striving for self-improvement and application of technology has turned him into this monster. I suppose you remember him jumping into the lake at the end? He can probably survive down there underwater. Maybe Abaia had origins like that. I don't know.

>>10808109
Same anon here...was just thinking maybe that's why Severian dreams about the undines when he's sleeping next to Baldanders in Nessus.

I never made that connection before.

>>10808109
>>10808135

So, this is what happens when 2 brainlets talk about Wolfe. Jesus.

>>10808150
Go on, anon, enlighten us

>>10807809
Waffle is a synonym for vagina. The anon (with the horse pic) is mad because no one wants him to fill their waffle (vagina). He (horse pic anon) is lashing out at females in general because they aren't giving him the time of day.

>>10808160
>Waffle is a synonym for vagina.
Ì'd never heard this one.

>>10808150
rich evans heart attack live stream when?

>>10808163
>he never heard of blue waffle
way to show your new

>>10807830
Never saw it. It's probably some ya twilight hunger games fanfic with kids fighting (and winning) against some corrupt group of old men in a fake dystopian future.

>>10808166
Rich has been having a massive heart attack for 6 years now, it's just been overshadowed by his crippling diabetes

>>10807904
>anime cover with guy in cloak
>pretty sure this is the same anon who shits on night angel trilogy and refuses to read because of the cloak

>>10808181
having type 13 diabetes is suffering.

>>10808182
>anime

I think there might be something wrong with your mindbrain thingy. I have no idea what Night Angel is. And the cloak is called a stillsuit you massive cocksuck

>>10808172
Nah, it's about a guy taking 40 years to build a church.

>>10807974
>map is cancer
I agree

>>10808188
desu the cloak is worn over the stillsuit

>>10808160
Fucking women is for fags.

>>10808216
The cloak is a wizard cloak.
I like how shit works for one person because you like the author or work, but the exact shit doesn't work for someone else.

That is why i don't listen to shit you guys say. I see you bash a book because of its cover, but praise another one because it fag mouser or from Gene Therapy Wolfe.

>>10808223
Damn straight. Boipucci is the best pucci.
Amirite?

>>10808227
I don’t know what you’re getting at but I like the Dune series. I was just pointing out that Freeman often wear a cloak over their stillsuits

Also that cover is trash, good book though

Just finished Way of Kings. Didn't think it was that great. Good characters and development but really bad worldbuilding

>>10808227
I think you're mixing up two entirely different groups
t. cover lovin anon

>>10808232
traps are gay

>>10807493
Good post

>>10807785
Shit post

I was browsing the previous threads and saw that someone ELSE had the courage to read this gem. So, I had to take it upon myself to clarify now that despite what this guy thinks 10790593, there's actually at least 2 people here who read this.

This is actually a better book than 90% of the contemporary books I've read, it's too bad the author chose such a poor name for it. Fimbulwinter and whatever else smut people post here probably has more sex than this book.

>>10808366
I forgot to put the memearrows
>>10790593

>>10808366
I'm glad you enjoyed it. Two fans in the thread doesn't make it particularly special though. Granted the entire thing is just me being a worthless pedant.

Anyone read Kirith Kirin? Opinions?

>Rosemary Wolfe Gotto
>Gene Wolfe & Rosemary Wolfe
ebin

Should I?

>>10806383
Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser

>>10808366
Do you only read fanfiction and YA or something?
I wasted time reading a preview of this, it's garbage my man

Pinnacle of fantasy right here lads. Sanderson wishes he could write this good.

Where do you guys get your audiobooks?

Will book 3 ever come?

>>10808253
>>10808223
There is just no pleasing you huh?

>>10808366
>Fimbulwinter and whatever else smut people post here probably has more sex than this book.
Shows that you never read Daniel Black. There is little smut, and later he just fades to black (heh) when it's about to happen, or mention that it happened later.

>>10808627
>i showed you my penis
>answer me

>>10808740
NO!
WTF DON"T TOUCH THAT SERIES

>>10808755
If you've read all of the preview and didn't like it, I won't press the issue. But it's unfair to compare it to fanfic and YA. It's not a coming of age story, not an edgy or self-insert story either. What you've read was just dragon comes, kills everyone, story start , which does give the tone for what's to come, but so does many other fantasy stories.

>>10808883
>body mods cock into horse cock to fuck rustie worst girl effectively
I did read it. What I said about the book is still true.

>>10807998
>So are the Ascians just from the northern part of South America? Or are they all of central and Northern America as well?
The only indication is that they are from Central/North America. It's possible their influence spread to other continents as well, but hard to tell given the lack of fast and abundant travel to most people on Urth.

>And are there any clues about what’s going on in the rest of the world?
Not much is given, but Jonas gives us a glimpse on what may have happened when he discusses how he became a sailor when he saw his civilization crumbling. My best guess is that Abaia/Erebus got to the Asian countries and they're probably aligned with the Seventeen with the Commonwealth seemingly the last 'independent' nation left to oppose them.

pls explain

>>10808862
Hating on Rothfuss is one of my major hobbies but his short story in Rogues was not bad at all. There being no space for hundreds of pages of obnoxious shit really benefit his writing.

>>10807998
>>10808922
I always imagined the Ascian empire like a big ass empire. Considering the military might they're able to field even when their empire is falling apart from withing is impressive.

>>10806404
Probably the best entry, hope you have fun

Whats a great, long, grand scifi/fantasy series with quite a few characters but has no major drop off in quality?
Something longer than a trilogy, something which isn't written by Wolfe or Vance or Martin or Tolkien
I was thinking either
1. Hainish Cycle
2. Mazalan
3. Dune
4. I'm not sure if sanderson is as good
I just want something to sink my time into that is as rewarding and enjoyable as the demon prince series or the solar cycle & urth

It doesn't seem as if there are more than a dozen scifi/fantasy series' longer than a trilogy that are even worth reading, surely I must've missed a few

>>10809241
Write your own, ya lazy millennial! Stop making others do the heavy pen lifting for you.

>>10809241
:^)
A drop in quality in only the last few books, the first few aren't as good either.

>>10808763
>>10808366
>filename
We saw you are the same person. You sold yourself out.

>>10808888
>digits were wasted on this post

>>10808919
>>body mods cock into horse cock to fuck rustie worst girl effectively
>molested so young that normal cocks don't do it for her anymore
At least we know Daniel Black is GRi approved. Being raped by your brothers (and itching to get some wincest dick) is appreciated.

Any fantasy/sci-fi series I could enjoy as a 26 years old? Something a bit more mature maybe?

>>10809095
Some anons said his books are shit, and he is a shit author. I'm not reading to prove them wrong or right.
You choose.

>>10809305
Daniel Black
Confessions
Super heroes
and Wild Wastes
Ignore the gamer for shit

>>10809308
>Some anons said his books are shit
The series was engrossing. I knocked it out in a weekend. The issue lies with how many interesting concepts end up with a sort of murky conclusion. It left me with literary blueballs.

>>10809241
>Hainish Cycle
Is not that connected, all books I've read work perfect as standalone novels. For me, that is a big compared to the others.

>>10809305
What does your age imply? Do you want more "mature" works?

>>10807870
Who sat it better?

>>10809483
Recommendation chart based on chairs when?

Seldon's blanket is classy but his tiny forehead makes him look like a brainlet.

Can anyone write good pulpish sci fi and fantasy anymore?

>>10808740
>19 days of robert jormeme

>>10809483
Not those chairlets.

Has it ever been explained what awakened Severian in Saltus' mines when he revealed the Claw to the monkey men? Those huge footsteps that sent him running like a bitch ass nigga.

>>10809565
What a cunt. I hate musicians like that. I would be happy if my gayest songs resonated with people.

>>10809579
It's a 'shop you mong. Also leave Based Thom alone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZl6BRY9IYQ

>>10809570
In Citadel of the Autarch there's some huge ass walking buildings/towers making war on the side of the Ascians, the sound of them walking is compared to the footsteps beneath the cave. So it's possible that it's some kind of war machine under the command of the Autarch.

>>10809611
What was the original?

>>10809664
Asimov's Foundation omnibus

>>10809280
I saved that image many months ago. It's probably goodreads naming convention, or maybe amazon.

Anyway, I disagree with >>10808763, it's a very mediocre book that introduces way too many characters and can't possibly develop them all in good measures. The MC is an overpowered gary stu. There's one occasion, even, when he is just taking a walk towards a particular city and happens to stumble upon an underground lab that happened to be his mother's workplace, who has been missing for a long time or something. Worst plot device I've ever seen, particularly when you take into account that it doesn't lead anywhere.

>>10809687
Does Thom think he should have stopped at the original trilogy? Is that why he's so disgusted? Because I understand that perfectly.

>>10809696
I don't think he's ever explained. All we have to go on is his expression, in this original untouched picture.

>>10809696
>read the original trilogy
>expect to get some closure
>third book literally end 400 years before the end of the plan
ree

>>10809732
Looks shopped. I've seen a lot of shops.

>>10809741
t. some random anon on an Indonesian igloo convention

I know what I'm talking about. My dad is the CEO of Photoshop and he told me it's legit.

>>10809759
fugg, I can't argue with that

>>10809324
Stop shilling your stupid fucking fan fiction. No one cares.

>>10809898
/litRPG/ has already metastasized. It's only a matter of time before it kills the body.

>>10809549
Undying Mercenaries

>>10809898
>fan fiction
I don't think you know what that means. What are those fanfics about?

>>10806704
>>10807253
>>10808750
I'm an idiot. I should have said that I've read Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser, Elric, and Conan.

I liked them in that order, from most to least.

I'll check out C.L. Moore.

Is the genre 100% dead these days? I've read part of the First Law trilogy and it didn't hit that same note for me.

>>10807830
No idea. I intend to read it eventually. The board game is good.
>>10808172
Dude it's historical fiction.

>>10808862
i think will write a web scraper and download all his blog entries from time o the release of second book, so i could write another script that would email him his word count and call him fat bastard

>>10809963
Spellscribed.

>>10810032
>tfw I wish I could code

>>10810032
updated the pic, feel free to contribute

>>10806383

Kane - Karl Edward Wagner

>>10806383
DRAGONLANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

didn't Sanderson say somewhere that Doors of Stone was technically already done, but Rothfuss had to rewrite it?

>>10809241
>Whats a great, long, grand scifi/fantasy series with quite a few characters but has no major drop off in quality?
There literally isn't one. The longer a series goes the shittier it gets. The closet series I could recommend is Gemmell's Drenai series, but each book is its own contained story really.

>>10810268
he wrote all 3 boosk as one and the publisher splitted it. all he has done after that was years of rewriting, probably thats including adding his new sjw worldview

>>10809305
The Wizard Knight is "mature" in that it feels like a classic fantasy story with a deeper meaning written for adults that doesn't rely on gratuitous sex and violence. But if by "mature" you mean gratuitous sex and violence then any number of grimderp series' is your answer.

>>10809549
Thule's Vision. Also I'm currently reading The Face in the Abyss by A. Merritt and I'm amazed at how a story written nearly a hundred years ago featuring archaic fantasy fixtures such as dinosaurs and serpent people could still feel so fresh compared to today's fantasy. I think the prose has a lot to do with it though. Writers back then could really write their asses off and make any mundane scene seem majestic with the right prose.

>>10810320

Have you read Hubbards early books like Slaves of Sleep?

>>10810328
Nope

138th for Webnovels are novels too

>>10809570
No. >>10809616 is probably more or less right, however Severian doesn't want to describe the Autarch's strategic weapons in any detail for security reasons.

>>10810306
is the Knight supposed to have a giant glossary of people and places in the beginning, or is it just the version I downloaded?
i stopped reading it because I didn't know whether I was actually supposed to remember all that shit or not.

>>10810730
>i stopped reading it because I didn't know whether I was actually supposed to remember all that shit or not.
lol

Read Earth Abides yesterday. This shit needs to be on every top sci-fi list as the definitive post-apocalyptic bildungsroman.

>>10811105
>post apocalyptic
>protagonist has a dog
Every single time. They trying to "feels" people?

I'll never not laugh at the guy who's girlfriend broke up with him because he wouldn't shut up about Rothfuss.

>>10811138
>he cited rothfuss as one of the reasons he was breaking up with me

>>10811133
I'm not sure but Earth Abides was written in 1949 so it might literally be the originator of that trope.

But it's pretty rooted in human development anyway. Dogs were the first animal we ever truly domesticated when we were tribals. They're the only animals which have their purpose in hunting and self-defense rather than agriculture or transportation. It makes sense that they would be remain our companions when we return to our savage state.

>>10811138
According to that image he broke up with her.

>>10809549
Young Adult fiction is basically filling the same role as pulp literature used to.

>>10809324
why do you keep posting that every fucking thread.
the only two books that can be considered pseudo litrpgs are alpha world and super sales.
its like you purposefully want to make people dislike all these books by just mentioning them over and over and over again.
i quite like some of the books in that list but im getting starting to get upset with the fanbase.
youre like the mlp faggots. its okey to like thing. but if you shill them constantly people will get tired of them and we cant have a discussion about them when an actual new books comes out or when a discussion happens.

So Diablo III is trash video game writing but I liked the background concept of the mortal world being the result of a bunch of angels and demons deciding they didn't want to fight anymore. Anybody know of anything similar in concept?

>>10811259
Tell that to botns, conan, lovecraft and WoT.
I get pissed when it's shilled every thread. It's like the world revolves around me, and they are purposely posting it to trigger me because they know i dislike it.

>>10811659
The Diablo novels.

>>10811803
>chris metezin writes the word "corruption" for 350 pages

>>10811138

>>10810730
>i stopped reading it because I didn't know whether I was actually supposed to remember all that shit or not.

So this is power of maturity... whoa....

>>10811659
diablo 2 lol and it's actually good

>>10811673
>BotNS
Is a meme in addition to a good book.
>Conan
Is usually not mentioned that often but we seem to have had an influx of Sword & Sorcery lately. >Lovecraft
Have not been mentioned in this thread and the last time there was any discussion about him was when people finished reading Shadow Over Innsmouth.
>WoT
All praising of epic fantasy annoy me somewhat but some anons have obviously been reading it lately and I can't blame them for wanting to discuss it considering how much shit there is to discuss.

>>10811138
>he cited rothfuss as one of the reasons he was breaking up with me

>>10809095
establishing mystique is easy, but concluding it takes skill
you read roadside picnic? not blindingly similar but picnic has a solid, yet still somewhat vague ending, which I felt fits the rest of the book. Van Der Meer (not vandermeer wtf) lacks this.

>when the autarchs sex slaves call him "Legion"

jesus christ is this just some mind-blowing semantics or does severian literally become the devil

>>10810245
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ5TmcuYR60

>>10812721
>sex slaves

The catwomen?

>>10812721
>implying he wasn't El Diablo from chapter 1

What shocked me was on my 2nd read of Claw when I realizes Thecla has spent her entire life before she was brought to the Matachin Tower in the antechamber prison where Jonas and Severian are locked up.

>I mean, he can't use the Aether, right? He can't use the Aether, he doesn't have an Aether. But the sand, the sand does stuff. So a handful of sand is a really useful amount of sand to have if you're not a sandmaster. Because sand reacts to investiture. So if you let it fade and you take it somewhere, as soon as investiture goes kinetic, it'll turn white again. So you'll be able to use it to tell who's using inve..it works just like a Seeker, like bronze pulses.
>So having white sand, having sand around is really good. If you can keep the little beasties that are growing on the sand around, they will react to basically the investiture equivalent of radiation. So that's handy.
neat

>>10812950
Brainlet woman pleonasm and all of that, where is it implied that she spent her days in the antechamber? Didn't Severian have memories of her living in her old house, with servants and teachers and childhood friends and Father Inire?

>>10812966
So is the white sand a ground up, pulverized giant shard?
Also fuck Sanderson. Oathbringer was meh, and he releasing YA filth this year.

>>10807345
Because 98% of literary agents aka gatekeepers are women into soyboy cucks.

>>10807824
except that they are you psychotic evolution-denying moron.

>>10813169
Who came first? Man or Woman?
Did man manufacture females using 2 of his ribs? Or was it ayyys?

>>10812950
Where do you get that, I thought she spent a lot of time on that Lake and shit

>>10813089
Probably has something to do with
>the little beasties that are growing on the sand
Why would white sand be a Shard?

>>10806401

Starship Troopers

>>10811138
fucking goons

>>10812086
That hadn't been established in Diablo 2.

Poor Marius tho

>>10813080
>Brainlet woman pleonasm
Is this the new meme?

>>10813228
Binary fission first, then male and female co-evolved is the current thinking.

I always come back to jack vance
try to play a game, get bored, the world feels dull
try to watch a film, shitpost
try to read literary fiction, eventually get bored and agitated from not enjoying it (as art isn't supposed to entertain you the entire time etc)
try to read any other sffg writer, eventually get bored or finish their few good works
vance is just too easy, carefree and enjoyable to read
wolfe is great sure but I always settle on vance because wolfe is too brooding in botns and it requires you to think more

>>10813965
>that image
Delete it or get deleted. Your choice.

>Prolific blogger George R.R. Martin quits blogging
Get hype, Winds of Winter release within a decade!

https://www.gq.com/story/george-rr-martin-might-finally-finish-the-next-game-of-thrones-book

>>10814097

>>10808778
Pls respond

I just finished Asimov's Foundation and really liked it. The moral of a story at the end of each chapter made it an easy and a highly enjoyable read for a brainlet like me.

Can you please suggest a history book that has the same style?
One that is not a recitation of events but rather a book where author makes subjective and possibly biased claims about causes and consequences of events.
Preferably on events of middle ages and earlier. I have already read Prince and really scared to start the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire because how fucking big it is.

inb4 >>>/his/ >>>/wsr/

>>10814478
Caimans eat capybaras. Don't let that image fool you.

>>10814478
Capybara is love. Capybara is life.

>>10813795
D1+D2 was a cut above most narrative elements in Vidya for its time. It's decidedly fatalistic and eschews the typical Campbellian arc in favor of a nihilistic plot which sees the end result of the characters quest to defeat the Prime Evils as ultimately meaningless, as they are eternal and will eventually return. As a kid, it was pretty different and gave the series some semblance of foreboding determinism and hopelessness, which was a great moment in my vidya history. Too bad D3 was an abortion.

>>10814478
holy shit what a mellow motherfucker

Any recommendations for lesser known military sci-fi that focuses on ground combat?

40k is all I can enjoy.

>>10806404
I’m on Reaper’s Gale right now and it’s awesome so far. Love this series

>>10814696
Steel World. I didn't particularly enjoy it, but you might.

>>10814696
Undying Mercenaries.
Modern Pulp.

>>10811138
He really broke up with her because he wanted to be cucked and she wouldn't do it, like his favorite character kvothe.

>>10814967
I am on the 8th book and I am scared I won't have anything to listen to on car rides anymore when it's over. Wth do I let pass the time on traffic that I won't blow my brains out over?

>>10815276
Library at mount char
this >>10809324

>>10815282
>Library at mount char
ok got it, will check it out

>>10814565
Foundation is essentially Decline and Fall in space,so the correct recommendation for you is Decline and Fall

>>10814696
Library at mount char

>>10814696
Galaxy's Edge: Legionnaire

>>10815505
That's not really military. But he might like it.

>>10815364
More wives, Your Grace?

>>10815364
Kinda wish brave king Henry would appear in Wheel of Time and sort out a few of the characters there.

>See that's the thing about history. His story. That's all it is.
Ever read a line that made you insta drop?

>>10815761
what's that from?

>just finished The Black Company
>Indigo doesn't sell the second book
Okay then

>>10815761
Some book with a female protagonist. I remember reading that.

>>10815926

You can buy them in a really nice omnibus.

>>10815761

is this from a john green book?

>>10816001
Right you are. Pretty annoyed about having the first one separate but fuck it I guess, it's on sale.

Any good Martian Horror?
Dead Space style stuff?
Zombie aliens in space?

>>10815926
I listened to these books. Stopped when the female started narrating after the Spike book.

They were really good, I liked them.

>>10814655
Capyberas have basically no survival or defensive instincts, their response to danger is to just stand still. They go through life with the approach of "I can't do anything to avoid dying so why get stressed about it"

>>10816309
that's zen as fuck
human race should pay attention

>>10816129
Library at mount char

>>10816309
I saw one run away from danger in Earth 2 though

>>10813080
There has not been only one Thecla. In the 'Jonas' chapter he says smt along the lines of 'I find this place weird but she doesn't because she spent her entire life here'. That comes up almost immediately after she takes over and starts wandering about in fuligin robes. And it is her knowledge of the place that he uses to escape. In fact, isn't the little girl that keeps stalking Sev and Jonas Thecla?

>>10816129
>Dead Space
Hull zero three

>>10816309
That's not true. Even during the dry season, they chill by rivers or streams in mid sized groups, trying to stay close to the shore. Whenever one detects danger (i.e., a leopard creeping up on them) they start screaming to alert others, where they all jump to the water, paddling to the deeper parts, where it's easy to out-swim a large feline.
Caimans are a lot harder to avoid though, and larger caimans can make a quick snack out of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3F8sV0VUQw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjsly9DidLE

>>10816387
Are you trying to make library at mount char the new botns?

>>10816489
Caimans and anaconda

>>10816494
The synopsis piqued my interest. The author, not so much.
Am I being tricked into reading some YA piece of shit?

>>10813278
She's tasted BAS(big alzabo stew) before.

>>10816489
you mean Jaguars, there are no Leopards that live in the Western Hemisphere

>>10816565
I'd think there are a few living in zoos.

Guys is this a retarded idea or pretty cool

Remember the "Choose your own Adventure books"?
What if you made a website, wrote your own and had someone or yourself do the artwork for it?

>>10816681
it's been done dumbass google "zork"

>>10816687
It doesnt have artwork

The idea doesnt have to be original, just thought others should do it more.

>>10816705
yeah i feel u, i kinda miss the games with minimal graphics but lots of text, the wizardry games where like that, although they had heavy rpg elements too

>>10816720
This is the one I read as a kid.

Wonder if it's nostalgia or if a really well done CYOA would be cool. Wish I could find a PDF of this online

>>10816735
oh bro i remember one i had as a kid that had the raddest artwork, it was forgotten realms brand but for some reason not the ad&d license, it had this weird story about the "efluvium" or some shit and grotesque art with spooky skulls n shit everywhere

Guys the rest of /lit/ bullied me again for reading genre

>>10816741
damn i cannot for the life of me remember what it was

Can I start Sanderson with The Emperors Soul?

>>10816770
>ever going to outer/lit/

It's lowkey the worst place on the entire site

What does /sffg/ think of licensed property novels?

>Dark Elf Trilogy by R.A. Salvatore
>Cleric Quintet by R.A. Salvatore
>Dragonlance Chronicles by Weis & Hickman
>Dragonlance Legends by Weis & Hickman
>Thrawn trilogy by Timothy Zahn

Are there any others worth reading? Is Warhaammer pure autism or are there worthwhile books within that universe?

>>10816941
The Wing Commander books are decent.

For Warhammer fiction, generally Caiaphas Cain, the Eisenhorn/Ravenor books, and Gaunt's Ghosts are a good pick

>>10809241
Unironically Worm. It isn't completely consistent, but it is never bad desu. It was excellent at best and mediocre at worst, as opposed to WoT's huge slog in the middle or something

on that note does anybody have recommendations for books/series with a raw, realistic take on trauma? I found worm to be engaging and relatable, and while wildblow avoided diagnosing his characters with labelled mental illness (personality disorders, ptsd etc), he did represent the long term affects of their trauma well. I'm not looking for edgy YA shit, or extreme grimdark fantasy, just realistically hurt characters that I can relate to since I have DID

>>10816793
Sandersons early stuff is pretty awful.
Mistborn is pretty decent but the 2nd and 3rd books have some real dull stretches n between the parts that are interesting. Warbreaker could have been quite good except he spends 250+ pages following around a blushing princess getting offended by anything that is remotely cheereful when we could have been with the guy that has a talking sword. The Stormlight books really are his best stuff and it shows, even then Oathbringer got a but dull in some spots, I would have to stifle a yawn pretty much everytime i turned to a Shallan chapter in the 3rd book.

>>10816807
Tha'd be /g/, actually.

>>10809095
YA version of Roadside Picnic. It's shit.

>>10817018
Forever War
Ender's Gayme

>>10816443
It was probably bribed by Sir. Attenbourgh beforehand.

>>10816941
dark elf trilogy is solid. i just finished the first 4 cleric quintet books and im sick of them. i dont know its just way too generic and the descriptions are all the same.

Is it worth buying Lexicon Urthus, Gate of Horn - Book of Silk and The Wizard Knight Companion books?

>>10817367
I have the Lexicon Urthus it was well worth it for me.

>>10816543
>i have to research an author before I read their book
>i will spam library at mount char to everyone even though I never read it

>>10816565
>Leopards
There is the ocelot

>>10816771
Ask /tg/

>>10816770
>making and using threads on outer lit when you have sffg
I've been on lit since 2009/10, this place always shitted on genre fiction. I mean you have to feel superior to something, when all you do is read boring shit books filled with the ramblings and philosophies of old dead me.

When sffg was made in 2013/14 it was the best thing to happen to this board. You actually could discuss books, no big 3 memes, no brown bear, no butterfly, no Sebastian, no cunts telling you to read "real literature" (they feared if they shook us too much we would abandon our "self containment" thread). For the past 2 years I haven't even used outer lit. I type sffg directly into the url bar and come straight to the thread.

>>10816941
Everything you listed is shit. And you should kys for wanting more of if.

>>10817613
Grettings from the outer lit. This is the funniest thing I've read on here in awhile.

>>10816770
>>10817613
>>10817623
I think the whole idea of a distinction between "genre" fiction and the rest is massively contrived. I mean, Tom Clancey and Dan Brown are as much genre fiction as the Sanderson crap, with all the expected tropes etc. The real Patrician's Choice is to read the best cuts from /sff/ and the best from /outerlit/. Having read a bunch of classic "well-regarded" fiction and a bunch of the best SFF, I say with confidence that SFF's best is easily on par with the great vanilla classics

>>10816793
Yes, of course. It's a good story.

>>10817623

>>10816807
>>ever going to outer/lit/
>It's lowkey the worst place on the entire site
Its one of the best places on this site though, especially before last year

Wow Kingkiller is a prequel trilogy! Can't wait until we get the NEXT trilogy haha !

Though I guess we'll have to wait until like 2028 when he's done his internet activism phase

>stop reading the canon and decide to read whatever
>cease playing the piano/learning latin
>spend my days reading vance and considering modding fallout new vegas again because I just want to have fun
>suddenly for the first time in 4 years get the urge to play with a fresh, pink, wet, warm vagina with my fingers or my penis
huh

>>10806311
>wuxia worlds new layout
>can't enjoy re-reading warlock of the magus world in a different style

Fuck, time for me to abandon web novels.

>>10817744
So this is the power of Jack Vance.

Any good contemporary fantasy pulp magazines? It's okay if they're 100% digital.

What can you recommend in the way of pulp meets new wave? Basically I'm looking for other authors like Moorcock, but ideally better written than his earlier stuff.

>>10817843
What does "new wave" mean?

>>10817857
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Wave_science_fiction

>>10812710
I've read-up and am glad I'm not alone in finding the resolution a little wanting. I guess I was expecting a decent explanation, not "oooooh, cosmic horror, scary!"

>>10817149
To be fair, you have to have a high iq to appreciate Southern Reach-Around...

>>10817857
It's pretty hard to nail it down in a sentence, but you'll recognise it after a few chapters. Quoth Watts though, "it's been around so long should be calling it "Middle-age Wave".

>>10817613
Same I little only browse /sffg/.

>>10818078
Innit, vandermeer reveals his inability to grasp what makes the conclusion of Picnic so good in his total inability to replicate it. >>10817149
is pretty correct

>>10816770
You're supposed to bully them.

>>10818156
They're too retarded to communicate with, even using insults.

>>10818104
I better read Roadside Pic-a-nic, I guess. I must know what VanDaSchmirtz was attempting.

>>10817367
Lexicon Urthus is great. If it's your first read-through, I'd be careful with how much you use it though, because a lot of 'spoilers' occur in entries. It's something that can necessarily be avoided but they are certainly there. If you don't want to decipher the text yourself and are fine with some minor spoilers, then use it as much as you want. Otherwise I'd wait until you finish the series first and then go through it and look at all the stuff you didn't quite understand. I haven't picked up Gate of Horn-Book of Silk, but if they're as good as Lexicon Urthus than they will surely be worth the investment.

>>10818591
You won't regret it.

Did anyone else struggle with Authority? I got bored as fuck with it.

>>10818620
>Did anyone else struggle with Authority?
I got a little bored with Acceptance, desu~. Authority was interesting, but nearly everyone was unlikable.

>>10817843
Library at mount char

Can I get some magic School recs because I refuse to grow up?

>>10818717
Year of the Griffin.
You should probably read Dark Lord of Derkholm first though.

Any good books focused on dreams? Like becoming trapped in a dream, gaining knowledge from dreams, entering new worlds through dreams, etc. Anything involving a character having dreams, doesn't even have to be the main character and could be a plot device.

>>10817857

Is the Recluce series any good? I hated WoT and couldn't finish the first book, and I have a Modesitt short story collection. All of the ones that tie in to Recluce are pretty good.

Tell me it's better than Jordan (boring).

>>10818776
god I wish that were me

>>10812950
youre a fucking idiot. she used to go to the chamber to torture the prisoners for fun with her friends, thats why she knew about the secret door, not because she was a prisoner there

Moving this here, didn't realize this thread existed.

Hey guys I'm a bit of a brainlet. Some things have been bothering me about this series (Book of the New Sun) and I was hoping someone here has read it and might be able to illuminate me, for even though it's one of my favorite books, I've had a lot of trouble finding discussion about it on the internet. I've only read the original four books, up to where Sev becomes the new autarch.

First off, is it ever explained what happens to Agia? It seems like the narrator just forgets about her after their final confrontation.

Second, what was the significance of the claw? Severian goes through the entire series thinking it has some kind of supernatural powers, but if I understand correctly, it's eventually shown that the claw was just a placebo and that he had been performing the miracles himself the entire time. However, near the very end of Citadel, he finds another claw similar to the one he had been using. I feel like this scene was meant to explain the claw somehow, but went over my head.

>>10818933
But what if it rains

>>10818955
the claw he finds at the end is the real claw that is eventually time traveled back to himself

hes the time traveling conciliator which is why tyco or whoever was trying to jew him into swearing an oath of obedience to him and made a knowing remark that if sev made the oath, he was SURE *winkwink* he would be able to deal with the conciliator when he returns

time traveling plots are always silly and turn into nonsense. i wish they would stop

A few months ago an anon said that the Super Sales 2 audiobook will be out by the end of February. I am not seeing it. Any update?

>>10818776
Thanks, that's really relevant now that I think about it. Please, post more new wave examples.

>>10816793
>Can I start Sanderson
Well, I can't really stop you, but...

>>10818776
This is a blue board.
Enjoy your ban.

>>10819017
You can't get banned from 4chan

>>10816793
You can, it's one of his better works. Don't forget to stop with Sanderson once you're done however, it's a common mistake to be memed into reading 20 or so mediocre books because muh shared universe.

>>10819013
Amateur, solo masturbation could actually be seen as a form of new wave of internet porn. Considering cam sites and all that.

>The cat ladies call Apian "Legion"
It's not because they called him a devil, you look too hard into this. It's because he had many inside of him (all the other autarchs). He was Legion, for he was many.
Sometimes I feel BotNS is not as "deep" as some people want to believe.

>>10807493

You just put into words what I had always thought but had trouble expressing.

Pic related. 14 year old killing machine (normal human) capable of beating multiple soldiers in hand to hand combat.

>>10819082
tell that to Zyzz

>>10817843
Try Leigh Brackett, her short stories and Skaith novels.

>>10809241

"The Red Knight", by Miles Cameron

5 book series called The Traitor Son Cycle, starts out at a pretty modest level, but moves to epic without feeling contrived, and manages threat escalation very well without suffering from any DbZ nonsense. The enemies start out lethal and stay that way.

Highly recommend.

PS: It's written by someone who normally does historical fiction, is a reenactor, and HEMAist, so it's very realistic fantasy with lots of attention to detail.

Pic related; it's the author

>>10809241

"The Red Knight", by Miles Cameron

5 book series called The Traitor Son Cycle, starts out at a pretty modest level, but moves to epic without feeling contrived, and manages threat escalation very well without suffering from any DbZ nonsense. The enemies start out lethal and stay that way.

Highly recommend.

PS: It's written by someone who normally does historical fiction, is a reenactor, and HEMAist, so it's very realistic fantasy with lots of attention to detail.

Pic related; it's the author

>>10809483
>>10809519

I just noticed that he's sitting on what looks like a regular bicycle-wheel wheelchair and not a futuristic space one. What gives?

>>10817744
>stop worrying about appearances
>abandon classic literature all together
>just read nonfiction and genre crap
>end up getting laid because a girl liked that I could tell her about the differences between the HBO show and the ASOIAF books
woah

>>10819347
Unmotorized wheelchairs are Standard Technology.

Any sf/f courtroom dramas?

>>10817613
>>10816807
>>10817643
>>10818156

>Oh wah I eat shit and get called out for it

If you want to read mindless kiddie shit, thats fine. But please go to /tg/ and don't pretend its literature

>>10819390
Not sf/f, but "A Criminal Defense" is a recent legal thriller thats pretty great

just blind bought The Emperor's Blades, what am I in for lads?

>>10819347
It's obviously because psychohistory.

>>10818955
>Hey guys I'm a bit of a brainlet.
PLEONASM
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What's some stuff with wild biopunk/transhuman ideas, body modifications, etc?

>>10818606

I've read through BotNS several times now.

>>10819425
>What's some stuff with wild biopunk/transhuman ideas, body modifications, etc?

>tfw you modify your genitals every time you land on a new world just so you can better rape the native life

Is the broken empire series good?

>>10807785

>>10819402
please tell us when you done

>>10818933
how did you know she tortured prisoner?

>>10819390
how do i stop my peen from twitching inadvertently each time i spy anime tiddies

>>10816770
You got bullied by a bunch of scrawny communists who are only communists because they will add nothing to their respective societies so they will not get any capital in return?

Those are whom you were bullied by?

I think you need to reflect and the future see the reality for what it is.

scraped blog of Rothfuss since time of his second book

http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=06465089099431164714
here is 70 pages of his blog
70 pages unfiltered
merged.txt - those 70 pages
filtered.txt - somwhat filtered
removed_stuff.txt - stuff i filtered out

total words unfiltered: 510150
total words unfiltered: 501577

top ten used words:

('the', 19231)
('of', 14023)
('to', 13994)
('a', 13325)
('and', 11213)
('I', 8163)
('you', 6443)
('in', 6346)
('that', 5151)
('for', 4900)

Name of wind wordcount: 243,020 words
Wise Man's Fear wordcount: 302,865 words

basically he wrote to his blog more than to his 2 books

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>>10819793
>>10819793

>>10819731
>over 500k words of blogging
>name of the wind was 250k words
>a wise man's fear was almost 400k

He literally could've written the next book and then some by now.

What's a good followup read for Lyonesse if I really liked Glyneth?