/lit/ - Literature

>>10774028
im already a stem major and considering double majoring in philosophy, maybe with a law concentration, is this a waste of time

>>10774028
>>10774054
Paul Goodman, Noam Chomsky, Marshall McLuhan, Camille Paglia, pretty much every philosoper would tell you that education is a joke

The only value of university is getting qualified with a degree, otherwise exploring and learning things that interest you on your own time is the best education

Don't waste your money on this big big scam

I mean it never hurts to go through the essentials like the Greeks, Descarte, Kant, Kierkegaard, but those courses are typically pretty well constructed to give you an adequate introduction to the field. I’d instead actually recommend reading the most important non-philosophical texts like the Iliad and Odyssey, the Bible, etc. That’d probably give yerrrrggghhhh..... yechhhhrggg.... w-woah... sorry about that, partner... my stomach is feeling a little choppy here, I lost my train of thought...right right, I think that familiarizing yourself with those will really really help you understand the bedrock that so many of these ideas are derived frooOOoohh... th-that w- ooooeeuuughffff... wow... I must have really eaten something sinister, this is... this is a rough one... feels like high tide at the Bay of Biscay down therr-err-echhooohhhh.... alright, h-hold that thought, partner... I'm gonna hit the toilet real quick, it feels like trouble's a-brewin' down on the southern front... just gottaahhh-h w-wow... just gotta get my bearings straight here... mother have mercy, I'm sweating like swine in summer... just need to relax a bit... o-ohh… easy does it… let’s just focus on making way to the commode… oh, I’m burning, I’m burning up… could have been that chicken parmesan last night… the guy at the deli seemed a bit too eager to sell me that breast… just need to get a cold pack or something… h-hoo… oh nelly, that’s pungent… that’s a chewy one, no doubt…. nearly there… just need to fend off the flood for a few more moments… e-easy… easieehhhh-h… close call… oh I’m drenched… on the anniversary of the first Gulf War’s end, too… why today of all days...

>>10774073
>Paul Goodman, Noam Chomsky, Marshall McLuhan, Camille Paglia
what about someone who isn't a pseud

>>10774073
I agree that university is crap but I'm not good at any particular thing...also, any degree is better than no degree

I mean it never hurts to go through the essentials like the Greeks, Descarte, Kant, Kierkegaard, but those courses are typically pretty well constructed to give you an adequate introduction to the field. I’d instead actually recommend reading the most important non-philosophical texts like the Iliad and Odyssey, the Bible, etc. That’d probably give yerrrrggghhhh..... yechhhhrggg.... w-woah... sorry about that, partner... my stomach is feeling a little choppy here, I lost my train of thought...right right, I think that familiarizing yourself with those will really really help you understand the bedrock that so many of these ideas are derived frooOOoohh... th-that w- ooooeeuuughffff... wow... I must have really eaten something sinister, this is... this is a rough one... feels like high tide at the Bay of Biscay down therr-err-echhooohhhh.... alright, h-hold that thought, partner... I'm gonna hit the toilet real quick, it feels like trouble's a-brewin' down on the southern front... just gottaahhh-h w-wow... just gotta get my bearings straight here... mother have mercy, I'm sweating like swine in summer... just need to relax a bit... o-ohh… easy does it… let’s just focus on making way to the commode… oh, I’m burning, I’m burning up… could have been that chicken parmesan last night… the guy at the deli seemed a bit too eager to sell me that breast… just need to get a cold pack or something… h-hoo… oh nelly, that’s pungent… that’s a chewy one, no doubt…. nearly there… just need to fend off the flood for a few more moments… e-easy… easieehhhh-h… close call… oh I’m drenched… on the anniversary of the first Gulf War’s end, too… why today of all days...

>>10774174
Not this again

>>10774155
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tsgc0k594Js

I'm telling you right now, you're not gonna get the humanities education that you're expecting / dreaming about. But if you really want to or think it's a good idea go for it

You seem like a career kind of person so STEM double major with philo law concentration might be beneficial for you if you can pull through

>>10774155
you're gonna run into these people doesn't matter what school you go to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZKRz1QXtC4

>>10774028
Wew me too lad
I already read some platonic dialogues and some descartes and some nietzsche
You should probably use this time to read fiction. Philosophy at uni starts from the most basic shit.

>>10774522
lol

>>10774562
you white people take up so much space

>>10774512
>>10774522
>American universities

>>10774568
I'm starting to become unironically racist thanks to this crap. I just can't look at people with brown skin the same way anymore. Is not really their fault, but they fell for the resentiment meme really hard, is not going away.

>>10774592
they call you and think you're racist anyway, what does it matter if you really are or are not

I don't hate them but such things as ethnic and national character exist. inb4 but what about exceptions

>>10774028
Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the marketplace, and cried incessantly: "I seek God! I seek God!" As many of those who did not believe in God were standing around just then, the madman provoked much laughter. Has God got lost? asked one. Did he lose his way like a child? asked another. Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us? Has he gone on a voyage? Emigrated? Thus did they shout and jeer.

The madman jumped into their midst and pierced them with his eyes. "Whither is God?" he cried; "I will tell you. We have killed him -- you and I. All of us are his murderers. But how did we do this? How could we drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What were we doing when we unchained this earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving? Away from all suns? Are we not plunging continually? Backward, sideways, forward, in all directions? Is there still any up or down? Are we not straying, as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is not night continually closing in on us? Do we not need to light lanterns in the morning? Do we hear nothing as yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we smell nothing as yet of the divine putrefaction? Gods, too, decompose. God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him.

"How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whoever is born after us -- for the sake of this deed he will belong to a higher history than all history hitherto."

Here the madman fell silent and looked again at his listeners; and they, too, were silent and stared at him in astonishment. At last he flung his lantern to the ground, and it shattered into pieces and went out. "I have come too early," he said. "My time is not yet. This tremendous event is still on its way, still wandering; it has not yet reached the ears of men. Lightning and thunder require time; the light of the stars requires time; deeds, though done, still require time to be seen and heard. This deed is still more distant from them than most distant stars -- and yet they have done it themselves."

>>10774028
Unironically start with the Greeks. First read Plato's dialogues, then continue on from there.
>>10774073
How many people do you need to tell you that education can be shitty?
>Don't waste your money on this big big scam
Can't do much outside of trades without a (useful) university degree.
>>10774155
>but I'm not good at any particular thing
University isn't supposed to be easy. And nothing worth having is easy to get.

Unless you have dreams of going to grad school, obtaining a PhD and becoming a philosophy professor, don't do it; you could study philosophy on your own time, and disregard all the leftist crap philosophy departments tend to shove down your throat (if you're against leftism, that is).

Double major in philosophy and some employable field if you want to study it so bad. You'll have a shit ton of debt and no good way of paying for it if you avoid anything useful

>>10774522
Shut up she's cute

I just got to university nao and lefty ideas are already consuming me. Like I feel really awkward being around indigenous people whose ancestors mine brutally slaughtered and took their land.

>>10774028
Stefan Molyneux

>>10775369

While there are many arguments AGAINST studying philosophy in uni, I'd say the best argument for doing it is that you'll get A LOT more out of your studies by reading and engaging with professors and students than by reading on your own on the weekends after you're tired from your 9 to 5 job.

>>10775377
>studying by yourself will get you a degree

>>10775377
Also sorry I never answered your question.

As others have said, start with the Greeks. Maybe another good option is to read a book that covers multiple philosophers throughout time. I started with 'The Story of Philosophy' and haven't looked back.

>>10775377
>While there are many arguments AGAINST studying philosophy in uni
Because it isn't pragmatic if you're not very rich because debt for taking out student loans accumulates over the years and a philosophy degree has zero value in terms of potential employment. Of course, this problem could be solved by studying something useful alongside philosophy (double-majoring).

>>10775450
Philosophy does not have "zero value" wrt employment. Having a bachelor's degree gets you over the HR hurdle. Now you just need to prove you a) have a special skill (programming is obviously popular these days) and/or b) show that you can learn and think critically

>>10775450
>>10775478
I will absolutely agree that double majoring in philosophy and another degree (let's be honest, probably a STEM degree) is the best/most rational option if you're looking for a job after the 4 years of undergrad.

>>10774073
Pfff, Murifag philosophers.

>>10774028
Why would you study philosophy over art history?

>>10775478
>Philosophy does not have "zero value" wrt employment
I was obviously exaggerating a little bit, but you get my point. What I meant to say is that a philosophy degree by itself will likely not take you very far; you need other skills to accompany it.

>>10774028

Read Anthony Kenny's history of philosophy. Read an introduction to critical thinking. Pretty much any one will do.

I also strongly recommend you get a few volumes of the "Best American Essays" series so you can get an example of what actually strong topical essays, which you will be writing many of, look like.

Then you might read The Portable Greek Reader and The Portable Enlightenment Reader.

>>10774054
>law concentration
lol

>>10775377
>engaging with professors
they stop engaging with you if you push back on them at all

>>10774028
If you're going to study it, why do you need to read before going in? They're designed to introduce it to you.

Hackett Classics edition of Plato's Five Dialogues.

>>10775632
i mean it exists, at least at my school. i dont have a clue what im doing pls fill me in

>>10774522
like I'm going to learn anything from watching this thot talk about privilege.

>>10774592
lol go on pol for 5 min

>>10774174
Go on....

>>10775887
dont waste your time studying "law" as an undergrad, that's what law school is for.

>>10775365
look at this homo. I highly doubt you have many "indigenous" people in your class, if you're not some jew gaslight posting

Good on you, I hear more and more philosophy factories are opening up.

>>10775488
McLuhan is Canadian

>>10774028
You should read the philosophers they assign you in class. That's the point of taking a class.

>>10776058
>take a class titled "Metaphysics"
>all readings are English-language
>all readings are from 1950 or later
schoolwork teaches you how to be a pointy-headed "academic" who can only engage with the swill being submitted to journals in The Current Year.

>>10776068
>implying any introductory course on any philosophic subject wouldn't start with the Greeks.

You're being intentionally disingenuous or you went to a shitty school.

>>10774174
When will The Japanese Insurance Adjuster come out, Mr. Pynchon?

>>10776075
i went to a highly ranked school and this was an upper division course. In any case, Plato has more to teach than Parfit. Why even study Derek?

>>10776068
This. I recently read a book entitled "Living a Worthy Life", by some such academic, and on the very first page, it read:
"In 1922..."
I immediately stopped reading. What myopia! What dullness of the spirit! Does he think all meaning resides in 1992? Or is he going to waste our time, and the beginning of his own book, with some pedagogical cult? He spends years to waste seconds.
The ambulance is my Harvard, my Oxford, my chalk and blackboard, the whale ship of Melville.
OP, find your own.

>>10774174
good post

>>10775352
>>10775896
I'm not talking about the youtuber but the people in the video

thinking about dropping out of stem and transferring to a /lit/ school so I can larp as upper class for a few years

>>10776168
Oh... Well, then I don't mind either way. They're not wrong.

>>10776177
>They're not wrong
jej

>>10776190
Easy for you to mock them when your life isn't on the line.

>>10776246
>i breathe therefore i must oppress
feels good man, out here catching bodies of color

>>10774522
It kind of arouses me how aggressive she is.

>>10775450
what you're forgetting is that university is free in every developed country (i.e. not the us)

>>10776246
they're "victims" who victimize
they're bullies pretending to be the bullied