/lit/ - Literature

>>10756043
>>reading BotNS for the 3rd time in a year
>Is something wrong with me?

On the contrary, you're doing it right

>>10756164
Looks really fun, added to my list

>>10756159
First time in my native tongue and first time in print, probably the last for a long time. The translation is excellent.

What will we read next month?
https://www.strawpoll.me/15147445

The candidates are:
I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream by Harlan Ellison, ~150 pages
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6803522-i-have-no-mouth-and-i-must-scream
Childhood's End by Arthur C. Clarke, ~225 pages
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/414999.Childhood_s_End
Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said by Philip K. Dick, ~200 pages
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22584.Flow_My_Tears_the_Policeman_Said
The City of the Singing Flame by Clark Ashton Smith, ~250 pages
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1914713.The_City_of_the_Singing_Flame

We read the winner, second place is automatically entered into next months poll and the rest are banned from next months poll.

How are the sequels to Hyperion?

>>10756244
The first one is good, weird and inconclusive. Endymion is awful.

>>10756244
We should put this in the OP...

Read Fall, avoid the others.

>>10756220
I vote for "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream"

First for Stephenson's a fucking hack.

>>10756220
I vote we read Arty Clarke.

>>10756297
Snow Crash is fucking garbage

>>10756286
>>10756303
Vote in the strawpoll, you screwballs!

>>10756312
Sorry LOL

>>10756312
I did already, ya dip. I like to announce my actions. I am now smoking a cigarette. Later, I will think about something embarrassing from my past like I can change it.

>>10756328
>Later, I will think about something embarrassing from my past like I can change it.
Books for this feel?

Any books about vampires not set in the present? Alternatively, any fantasy (or sci-fi) that deals with immortal life, preferably of the main characters. Yes, I've read blindsight already

>>10756406

>>10756138
>Previous Threads:
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Can you stop fucking up the previous thread section? The new threads go at the top newfag, not the fucking bottom.

>>10756406
Read Blindsight again

>>10756468
I was only copying the previous format jeez

>>10756425
Tell me, is Dracula hard to read? I read a translation when I was around 10 or 11 and enjoyed it a lot, and I'd like to take another jab at it.

>>10755617
Can't have a love interest more interesting than the MC.

>>10756220
What's Singing Flame about? The link doesn't have a synopsis.

>>10756406
Trinity Blood?

What's some good SFF about cute boys and their adventures?

>>10756672
The Licanius Trilogy

Just recently finished the southern reach trilogy and borne, don't understand why they're turning Vandeermeer's stuff into movies I feel they'd work much better as tv series

any other recommendations for weird stuff like his?

>>10756835
How did you like Borne?
I loved Area X, but couldn't really get into Borne the first time.

>>10756879
I liked it a lot. The middle dragged a bit but overall I thought it was really good.

>>10756586
>Tell me, is Dracula hard to read?
No

>>10756945
I don't know why I was asking, to be really honest. Maybe those Goodreads horror stories of it being hard to read made me question it.

who /malaz/bro here?

Do you guys think that GRRM would be a better sci-fi author than a fantasy one?

>>10757015
No, I have read his scifi and it strikes me as pretty mediocre. Even Sandkings and Nightflyers, probably his two most famous stories. Apparently Nightflyers is being turned into a moovie right now, he has written something about it on his blog.

>>10756970
No one, it's shit, fuck off

>>10757259
how about you fuck off instead, my man? it's perfectly acceptable to talk about malazan here, stop trying so hard.

>>10757259
You're shit

>>10756953

It's hard to read if you're a brainlet who thinks YA is "standard" prose. I.e. Goodreads

>>10756138
>discuss your favourite conceptually mindblowing sff where plot and characterisation take a backseat to pure wealth of imagination, ideas and imagery
Anything by Simon Bucher-Jones. Pity the man's worked most of his career in the media tie-in ghetto, he should be winning awards.

lmao

based Goodkind does it again

>>10757671
He really is a cunt.

>>10757671
Any other redpilled fantasy authors out there?

>>10757763
thats haram.
such opinions are not welcome in this day and age.

>>10757671
that seems pretty rude

what's even bad about it, sheesh

>>10757671
The absolute madman. Have he ever written anything readworthy?

Tell me about Brian Catling. Why does he write the Vorrh?

Friends, can someone recommend me fantasy books that are set in the bronze age? I thoroughly enjoyed the setting of Earthsea and would like to read some more books with similar setting.

Webnovels are novels too

>>10757811
He's one of "those" authors like Bakker who's all "first of all my art is NOT deserving of puerile 'fantasy' covers because I only write literary books about the triumph of the human spirit and Ayn Rand themed BSDM sex." There's some interview out there where he rants for paragraphs about how fantasy art is bad and that the attached cover is his TRUE VISION.

>>10758322
A blurry silhouette?

>>10757931
Gemmell's Troy trilogy, but there's actually very little, if any, fantasy elements that I remember. Still a good series.

>>10757015

Game of Thrones is scifi. It takes place on an alien planet with the remains of human settlers after a fall from technology. He just stole from Pern.

>>10756970

>Still need to finish it after stopping last year mid way through

It's not fair. Might just get the audiobook and listen to it in bed

What is the Myst of fantasy?

>>10759119
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/159764.The_Book_of_Atrus

>>10759181
>book based on vydia
lel fuck that senpai

>>10759252
its actually a very good series.

Is the sword of truth series worth a reread as an adult? I read them when I was in middle school. Don't remember much but not sure how they will hold up to maturity.

>>10756138
First for litrpg

>>10759768
I crawl her dungeon, if you know what I mean

>>10759663
No, it's truly horrible. Unless you can meta-read it, wise old man style, and be charmed by what a young boy is charmed by.

>>10759252
I kind of liked the Halo books and I've never even played the game.

>>10757671
I thought it was a pretty good cover, though.

>>10758322
>Ayn Rand themed BSDM sex
Apart from his distaste of good fantasy covers, this might have caught my attention. Should I start Sword of Truth, or is it a waste of time? (it IS a 15 book series) Maybe something else by him is a better starting point?

>>10760062
i read the first book and didnt like it.
3/4 of it is basically mc and love interest getting tortured by bdsm nuns and not in a good way if you want smut then just read smut

>>10759768
I am not that completely appalled by it if it avoids "levels", "skills", "classes" and such. Any recommendations?

>>10756600
>Can't have a love interest more interesting than the MC.
The Witcher did it.

>>10758322
To be fair to Bakker, the covers for his books are genuinely awful. I mean who the fuck even is the guy in the Aspect Emperor covers?

>>10760072
Nah, not really interested in torture. I just read the synopsis and thought there might be some cuddling between dragon hunting or something. Lodoss war or something like that.

>>10759663
It's in the same bracket as Wheel of Time in that it's only good if you're a teenager.

>>10759768
Are there any litRPGs where a character becomes a sexy woman and hates it? Asking for a friend.

>>10760074
Sorry, no. It's all about levels, skills and classes. Otherwise it's just lit.

>>10759768
Am I correct to be alarmed by this trend and its effect on the /sffg/?

>>10760390
Don't be too alarmed until Wil Wheaton and Felicia Day co-author one and it ends up a NYT best seller.

>>10760405
Christ, I feel a containment board coming on. A thread just won't do. It's still too close.

>>10760390
Yes, if you subscribe to the calcified version of genre lit. If you yearn for the day when the weirdness and unpleasant nature of the creator shone through a work of art then litrpg is your future.

>>10760466

>>10760466
>If you yearn for the day when the weirdness and unpleasant nature of the creator shone through a work of art
That still happens now. See GRRM's obsession with lactation and food descriptions

>>10760496
That's an excellent point. Now again I'm forced to refine my idea of what is squelched in GRRM but shines through in kindle specials.

>>10760288
Disgusting.

>>10760466
>the day when the weirdness and unpleasant nature of the creator shone through a work of art
>it's reddit narrating farming dire rats in World of Warcraft

>>10760557
Out of curiosity, did you read and despise the original Scott Pilgrim (comic not movie) or did you sense a possibility?

>>10760602
Yes, the author's pleb enthusiasms have not been workshopped out of him and ground into an all-tastes paste. Even if he is derivative as fuck.

>>10757015
I wonder if he would ever try to do an epic space opera series? Only SF of his I'm familiar with is Tuf Voyaging which is a bretty gud collection of short stories.

I just finished Hyperion and honestly found it fantastic, but was told to not read its sequels. It feels though like Fall of Hyperion is a direct continuation, should I read it?

>>10757671
...that's not even a bad cover.

>>10756387
literally every piece of realist garbage ever written

>>10756164

Reminds me of Ted Chiang's Tower of Babylon short story.

>>10756138
>My novel is just a court proceeding with the Main Character just Reiterating what transpired a few days ago.

Is this bad? I thought about making this into some sort of Interview but thought that courtroom is much better.

Does anyone here have that one website where the guy just lists all the stupid shit in Sword of Truth? I rememer the parts where Richard murders a crowd of peaceful protestors because he knows in his heart they are evil, and the parts about the evil chicken.

>>10761082
All depends on the execution. Could be novel and clever. Could be boring.

>>10761101
> I rememer the parts where Richard murders a crowd of peaceful protestors because he knows in his heart they are evil
But that was the only good part in Sword of Truth

Why is there so many people asking if they should read Sword of Truth in here lately? I think we need to put that one in the OP, the answer is no, of course.

a few chapters into consider phlebas, I heard it was a bad starting point for the culture series but holy shit, I feel like I'm reading gulliver's travels in space and not in a good way.

>>10760775

>>10761174
Yeah, player of games is a much better starting point.

>>10761174
The whole shit eating cult section was terrible.

>>10756406
Blindopraxia and Coldfire are the only good ones I've come across.

Fevre Dream for something more traditional.

>>10760775
Yes. The sequels are the two others.

any good mixes of dystopian future and feudalism?

>>10761777
also if there isn't then this post is OC and you may not steal it

>>10760657
>Out of curiosity, did you read and despise the original Scott Pilgrim (comic not movie) or did you sense a possibility?
I did not read it, but I suppose some things work better in a comic format than a book, particularly if used for comic effect, which I assume Scott Pilgrim does. I can only imagine the pain of reading about someone grinding monsters and reporting how many levels he gained and how much stronger he is, that of course when he isn't telling about how many skills he learned, which are probably never mentioned afterwards. Over and over again.

>>10761135
Because the author was mentioned here >>10757671 and here >>10758322.

>>10761777
If post-apocalypse is acceptable then I recommend The Jerusalem Man.

Can someone recommend me some fantasy with a major focus on the tactics and strategy of war? I am reading the Illearth War right now, and I just can't get enough of the Troy chapters.

I'm also looking for a magesterial work of fantasy where a lot of effort has been put into worldbuilding. I have never encountered anything approaching Lord of the Rings in terms of the setting's history, geography and detailed genealogy. Which fantasy work comes close?

>>10762275
>Can someone recommend me some fantasy with a major focus on the tactics and strategy of war?
Prince of Nothing and Aspect Emperor by R. Scott Bakker actually end up pretty in depth even though it's not the major focus of the stories. Aspect Emperor in particular goes interesting places with how classical military strategy mixes with epic fantasy.

>I'm also looking for a magesterial work of fantasy where a lot of effort has been put into worldbuilding. I have never encountered anything approaching Lord of the Rings in terms of the setting's history, geography and detailed genealogy. Which fantasy work comes close?
See above.

>>10760496
>lactation
Maybe I shouldn't have written off asoiaf after all

I was afk for a few days and just read 400+ post (the entire last thread, and this thread) in 3+ hours.
plz kill me

>>10756600
seriously there should be more of this

>>10759768
I'm running low on good litrpg, please recommend some.

Just read the Jackal of Nar and it sucked

>>10756970
>Gardens of the Poo(n)
>Headlouse hates
>Memories of Scheisse
>House of Pains
>Midhsite Tides
>The Borecunters
>Reaper's fail
>Troll the bounds
>Dustov Creams
>The crippled fraud

What is /sffg/ opinion on John Scalzi?

>>10762488
not litrpgs

>>10762697
Old Man's War is decent. Have not read anything recent and don't want to read anything recent either.

What's better litrpgs, or chinese web novels?

>>10762697
old mans war 1 and 3 are the only good works he ever did.
the rest is beyond shit. leaving aside his asinine political ideas he just doesnt have much talent for writing.
old mans war was basically a lucky fluke.

>>10762697
Kiva Lagos was busily fucking the brains out of the assistant purser she’d been after for the last six weeks of the Yes, Sir, That’s My Baby’s trip from Lankaran to End when Second Officer Waylov Brennir entered her stateroom, unannounced. “You’re needed,” he said.

“I’m a little busy at the moment,” Kiva said. She’d just finally gotten herself into a groove, so fuck Waylov (not literally, he was awful) if she was going to get out of the groove just because he walked into it. Grooves were hard to come by. People have sex, and he was unannounced. If this was what he walked into, it was his fault, not hers. The assistant purser seemed a little concerned, but Kiva applied a little pressure to make it clear festivities were to continue.

“It’s important.”

“Trust me, so is this.”

“We’ve got a customs official who won’t let us take any haverfruit off the ship,” Brennir said. If he was shocked or scandalized by Lagos’s activities he was doing a good job of hiding it. He mostly looked bored. “Offloading our haverfruit is why we came to End. If we don’t sell it, or develop licenses, we’re screwed. You’re the owner’s representative. You’re going to have to explain to your mother why this trip was the cause of the financial ruin of your family. So perhaps you might like to join Captain Blinnikka in talking with this customs official right now to see if you can resolve this problem. Or you can just go on fucking that junior crew member, ma’am. I’m sure those are equivalent activities as regards your future, and the future of this ship, and your family.”

“Well, shit,” Kiva said. Her groove was definitely gone, and the assistant purser, her little project, looked pretty miserable at the moment. “That was a pretty impressive jab you just gave to someone who can fire your ass, Brennir.”

“You can’t fire me, ma’am,” Brennir said. “I’ve got tenure with the guild. Now, are you coming or not?”

“I’m thinking.”

“I should go,” the assistant purser said. “I mean, I can go. Maybe I should go?”

Kiva sighed and looked down at her conquest. “When are you on duty again?”

“Three hours.”

“Then you stay right here.” She untangled herself from the assistant purser, put on something acceptable for the outside world, and then followed Brennir out of her stateroom and through the ship.

>>10762765
All of them take place in an alternate world, have powers that scale, and try to develop skills.
All of those are the definition of a litrpg.

>read blood world
>tfw no long neck waifu

Any books that depict future societies which are neither terrible dystopias where everyone's fucked like Blindsight or Culture-esque utopias where everyone has turned into a buttfucking hedonist? I've got Diaspora by Egan and the Golden Age by Wright, maybe Neuromancer if you push it. Any new suggestions?

>>10763072
>She’d just finally gotten herself into a groove, so fuck Waylov (not literally, he was awful) if she was going to get out of the groove just because he walked into it. Grooves were hard to come by. People have sex, and he was unannounced. If this was what he walked into, it was his fault, not hers. The assistant purser seemed a little concerned, but Kiva applied a little pressure to make it clear festivities were to continue.
You know, shit on Scalzi as much as you want, but this passage captures exactly the way his audience would like to act in this situation (i.e women). The man certainly knows his audience, the choir he's preaching to.

>>10763114
Pandora's Star/Judas Unchained, Embassytown, Hyperion

>>10763072
I share this fetish also, but putting it in your novel really is a questionable decision.

>>10763077
not what defines a litrpg. by that logic 70% of all scifi and fantasy that was written in the last 40 years is a litrpg.
go read this and then tell me again what a litrpg is:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34234639-the-land
spoilers: its fucking shit and you will soon know why

>>10763247
Nice, thank you.

>>10762488
Go to the progenitors, the nips

>>10763358
Naw. I like the western sensibilities that are used in litrpgs. The Japanese culture shit doesn't mesh with what I feel from Daniel Black and Super Sales on Super heroes.

>>10763403
> The Japanese culture shit doesn't mesh with what I feel from Daniel Black and Super Sales on Super heroes

Harems, cat girls and power levelling are completely Japanese culture. Just ask /a/

>litrpg
>it's actually some vidya inspired sub genre
I thought you were talking about classical, branching solo adventures where you make choices and roll dice to determine the story. But I guess maybe that'd fit better over at /tg/.

Why are people in so called 'realistic' fantasy so irreligious?

>>10763638
The kind of author that enjoys gritty and realistic writing is the same that thinks religion isn't either of those?

>>10763638
The authors that write these books tend to have little experience in religion. While I'm currently irreligious I was raised Catholic, and I've read my Nietzsche, so it always strikes me as odd how little their religion seems to affect the characters in these books

>>10763659
Then why bother to include religions at all?

>>10763638
>the sparrows becoming a huge power in ASOIAF and lmaoing all over the capital
The general population is anything but irreligious. But religion is the opium of the people and the main characters are most often royalty or others with much power, and for them religion is more often a tool of power. See Henry VIII. But it's not like there's not genuinely religious main characters in ASOIAF, the Starks come to mind.

>>10763675
The Northern Religion doesn't really act as an organised religion though, there aren't exactly many rules to it, and no one to uphold those rules if there were.

As for the faith of the seven, anyone who is genuinely devout is either a non-character or portrayed as being retarded. Not to mention the amount of highborn people who are irreligious in asoiaf is a tad daft, if we're to compare it with medieval Europe,

>>10763697
Well, in practice, whether people obey their religion or not is grounded more in convenience and experience than anything. But you're correct that the lack of religious characters, even the ones casually so, is a bit ridiculous.

>>10763675
>See Henry VIII.
Henry VIII is the exception
most modern westerners have a hard time understanding this but until well into the enlightenment most people, including the aristocracy and royalty, were genuinely religious and took their faith seriously
the idea that royalty just viewed it as opium for the masses is a relatively modern political idea, not how actual people at the time thought

>>10762488
Kolbold Wizard Dildo of Enchantment +2 was a fun, rpg inspired comedy fantasy

>>10763638
the average joe is religious but most of the POV characters are powerful lords and ladies, but I'm sure I recall Cat being religious, praying, etc and then there is the Lord of Light Cult, it has plenty of religious characters

Which one should I go for /sffg/?

>The Way of Kings
>Wheel of Time
>Dresden Files
>The Black Company
>Farseer trilogy

>>10756406
Carmilla or Varney the Vampire -enjoy NTG

>>10757811
Terry went mad a few years back anon

>>10763748
See >>10763728
I'm pretty sure Henry VIII remained a devout catholic until his death too. His obsession for a male heir near drove him mad.

>>10763756
Black Company all day everyday & Soul Catcher did nothing wrong

>>10756164
Anybody have a lib.gen or similar link for this book?

>>10763697
I generally assume that all characters that don't go about their days blaspheming etc are religious, but we don't get to know about it because honestly them going to church once a week is not that interesting.

There's also the presence of several religions, some very hands on, to take into account. If your friends god repeatedly revive people from the dead your wish to worship your own gods, that don't do shit, might lessen.

>>10763728
To assume that the religion of the ruling class were the same as the religion of the masses is also wrong.

If you're an egocentric lunatic (why did so many kings go insane?) taught from the cradle that you're chosen by God behaving like an absolute hedonist might very well go quite well together with being seriously religious. God forgives, after all.

>>10763756
Farseer trilogy. It's both finished and not a million pages long.

>>10757671
A hack disparaging other people's hard work. Does he think illustrators do those kitsch covers on purpose? And that cover isn't that bad anyway.

Nice to see that guy stand up for himself.

>>10762488
Tamer: King of Dinosaurs. The first half of the first book is a drag, and I almost dropped it. The second book is much better.

>>10763815
That's written by a woman

>>10763781
Temporary 48 hour download link for Senlin Ascends:
goo gl/hkZHZ7 add the dot

I got an audiobook copy from audiobookbay nl, you can get a password from bugmenot.

>>10763809
Not very many kings went insane

>>10763835
>muh wymin
It's without a doubt more manly than WoK.

What are the best fantasy books that express literary themes? Something like idyll's of the King?

is WoT full of yandere shit?

>>10763835
>Robin is a girl's name now

>>10763966

>>10763756
Don't the all suck with the exception of Black Company but especially Dresden Files and Wheel of Time?

>>10764004
delet

>>10762697
Old Man's War is classic Henilen style SF but updated. I actually read the third book first because I love "colonists/spacers on a uncharted planet" fiction and it's pretty good at that as a standalone novel. The short story collections are middling, personally I found the ones about the diplomatic team to be the better ones, they felt kinda like a homage to the Retief stories but more grounded.

Fuzzy Planet was again, 50s style fiction but updated. Decent enough but overall it was forgettable.

Redshirts was one of those books where it's all "yeah cool!" when you're reading it but it doesn't hold up to literary criticism. It's not very good, but was excellently designed to hit all the pop culture bingo buttons that nerds like.

>>10756184
Heyyyy, I have the exact copies as well. Good job, fellow romanian BotNS enthusiast.

>>10763835
So what? If you didn't know beforehand you'd never be able to tell and it's one of the best modern fantasy series you'll read.

>>10763756
Started the black company today. The start is good even though there's a lot of namedropping. Anyway that's modern fantasy to you, where exposition is bad.

I think I'll continue, so give it a try anon.

>>10764130
>modern fantasy
>first book published 1984

>>10764158
Yes, I haven't missed the vibe of an 80s fantasy book. But the meme that exposition is bad needs to die.

>>10763638
Because 'realistic' fantasy is 9 times out of 10 written by fedora-tipping leftshits.

>>10763638
Because they have no idea just how unrealistic their shitty oc donut steel world is. Take the Westerosi currency for example. What the absolute fuck is this shit?

>>10764220
Can you recommend any of the 1 out of 10 that aren't?

>>10764301
i could recommend you destinies crucible. ive only read it because someone posted it a few threads ago and it sounded intriguing.
its very well written and there isnt any bullshit in it apart from an initial alien obduction.
basically guy gets put on a planet of about 15-17 century level technology and has to deal with it. over the course of the story he slowly introduces technological advances from earth but also needs to help stave of an invasion through genocide by a race that is very similar to muslims or early serbs. basically they infiltrate a country, outbreed it and when the ods are in their favor they absorb the useful people and enslave the rest and then force them to accept their culture while erasing theirs.
its pretty gud.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30985483-cast-under-an-alien-sun

>>10764220
>>10764369
>virtue signalling this hard

>>10764502
Well, at least the anon gave a recomnmendation when asked. What have YOU done for /sffg/ today, bitch boi?

I like George R. R. Martin's writing.

>>10764752
you poor brainlet

What's /sffg/ general opinion on pic related? I haven't played the games and I'm not sure if I want to spend the time needed to read the books

>>10765021

The game presents the story under proper light anyway and the books are (a very good, but still merely) an amalgamation of reshaped mythology accounts of Slav and a few other traditions. I'd say just play the games and do a quick reading of any of the books to see if it's your thing

>>10765021
the short stories are decent/good, series is eh. CD Projekt Red writes the Witcher better than Sapkowski ever did.

>>10765021
Just read the two short story collections

>>10764580
>>10764369
>samefagging this hard

>>10765021
Sapkowski is a shit writer who accidentally wrote a few legitimately good stories

>>10764257
Can't you read charts?

>>10763734
>Kolbold Wizard Dildo of Enchantment
>the haunted vagina

>>10764004
>he has a more manly chin and adams apple than me

>>10763072
>“I should go,” the assistant purser said. “I mean, I can go. Maybe I should go?”
>Kiva sighed and looked down at her conquest. “When are you on duty again?”
>“Three hours.”
>“Then you stay right here.”

I feel as though I have just absorbed liquid faeces through my eyeballs, after reading this

>>10756220
c'mon childhood's end

Leviathan Wakes
Worthwhile?

>>10758322
You had me at:
>Ayn Rand themed BSDM sex

>>10764369
It's shit, though. Every interlude of the invaders perspectives was a drag to read and I just started skipping the whole thing.

>>10764257

I've actually researched medieval currency for a book I'm writing :^). The unrealistic thing about that chart is mostly how many denominations of copper coin there are. Most kingdoms used a variation on the Roman system of currency, based on dividing a pound of silver (the old British pound Sterling system was pretty much this). A silver penny (1/240 of a pound of silver) was a day's wages in most times and places that could be called "medieval", iirc, hence half-pennies and farthings had some use, and a copper coin was the lowest unit. Gold coins were memes used solely to store and transport large sums of wealth by those who owned large sums of wealth, like a $1,000 bill, something nobody would actually use day to day.

So the main oddity in his system is that silver seems to be worth way more than it ever has been irl, necessitating more use of copper. I don't think there have been many currency systems in history that had almost a half-dozen copper denominations

>>10763638
That was a weird example. Most of the characters in that series are religious.

>>10763697
>anyone who is genuinely devout is either a non-character or portrayed as being retarded.

>Davos and Catelyn are retarded non-characters

>>10765274
Catelyn certainly is but not Davos.

Has anyone in-thread heard of or read pic related? Does it count as SF, Fantasy, or both? And what do you think about it as a whole?

>>10765268
Does this make this statement bullshit?

>>10763961
Absolutely.

>>10764752
Same

>>10765021
They're pretty good, ignore /v/ fags that hate it because it's not Geralt just killing random monsters and fucking random women all the time.

>>10765075
The Witcher 3's plot is retardedly simple and most of the characters become completely incoherent to serve it. Video game writing is still shit.

bazinga

>>10765211
honestly it's not really any worse than all the "sexcraft chronicles" type garbage people keep posting.

>>10765233
It's bad, it's really bad, don't read it. He attempts to present a demon chicken as a credible villain. Most of the book is them chasing a literal chicken around and going "is it evil or not?!?". There's a part where Kahlan (the main female character) is immensely terrorized by the chicken staring at her. At that point I quit the series but apparently later on there's a part where Richard (the male MC) carves a statue that's so beautiful anybody who sees it converts to capitalism, and another book where they kill a bunch of hippies who are evil for shouting "no war!" at them and then refusing to defend themselves when the protagonists kill them.

>>10765316
Witcher 1, on the other hand, is vino

White Sand is lulzy.

Recently got back into fantasy, loved Kingkiller Chronicle, Stormlight Archive, and the Dark Tower series. Any recs for a pleb?

This was about the only interesting part of the entire volume. Sad times.

>>10765519
the art in this is so bad, was hoping it would improve from the first volume or they would get a new artist.

>>10765400
Witcher 1 is not really trying to be anything but a video game with lots of references to the books. Witcher 3 tried for more and failed terribly because it couldn't decide what it wanted to be.

I'd argue Witcher 2 is actually the best written. It's a totally solid political thriller. It's on par with some of the books in that regard, though it eschews deeper themes. Which is fine.

>>10765552
They do like 3/4 through. I don't even know why. It's a weird break.

>>10765528
>Any recs for a pleb?
Wheel of Time, Sword of Truth, litRPG

thinking about picking this up. worth 22 bucks? thats a pretty sweet cover. is it a broken lute?

>>10765610
if you've already bought one of the previous versions, no

>>10765561
>litRPG
Don't lump that in with the other 2 trash.

>>10765685
Imagine a Wheel of Time litRPG. Going from a normal soy drinking 28 year old NEET to a braid tugging spell slinging passive aggressive Aes Sedai. Could be lit kino

>>10765620
no i havent touched the series. a friend highly recommended it though.

>>10765703

Your friend has bad taste.

>>10765698
>>>/reddit/

>>10765703
I highly recommend your friend try a dosage of .9mm.

>>10765722
>being this jealous you're not a level 900 Aes Sedai with the Two Rivers tsundere prestige class

>>10765268
what sources are you using for your research?

>>10765268
i dont know if you know this or not, or if anyone has told you, but a song of ice and fire is apart of this genre of fiction called "fantasy". you should look it up. people, like make things up and create their own worlds, it pretty wild.

>>10762697
>opinions
Whelp, I've just made the mistake of going to an author's blog before checking out his works (or the mistake of going to an author's blog at all).

His politics don't bug me as much as the fact that he's a penis.

>>10763072
Christ, no.

>>10765915
>fantasy needs no internal consistency and no comparisons should ever be drawn to its real world inspirations
This meme needs to die.

>>10765919
At least he's not Bakker. Does any author have a worse blog than Bakker?

>>10765978
no one said that. what the hell even is your argument? his book is shit because his world uses too many different forms of pennies? so now every fantasy book that doesnt use a historically accurate roman influenced medieval currency is shit?

>>10765978
>Does any author have a worse blog than Bakker?
Shit, do I even want to know about this?

Would anybody recommend something in the spirit of Caribbean corsairs?
I've read Sabatini's Captain Blood's Odyssey and quite liked it.

>>10766005
It's just super pretentious philosophical navel gazing.

>>10766013
>It's just super pretentious philosophical navel gazing.
So, philosophy?

>>10766029
Touché. But an especially egregious example.

>>10764102
Youre actually completely wrong, I thought robin was a male name so I read it. When I realized how little happened, how cucked the main character was, how little assassinating there was despite the main character being an assassin, and how disappointing the ending was going to be I unironically realized that Robin could be a female name.

So yes, you can tell and no, the farseer trilogy is not on of the best modern fantasy series lmao. The womeme writer things is mostly true, I can think of like 1 female author whose work I semi liked.

>>10766004
i think he's arguing that since GRRM is (allegedly) trying to make a more realistic fantasy series, then he opens himself up to be criticized when an aspect (outside of obviously fantastical elements such as magic and dragons and etc) doesn't line up with reality.

i don't know whether GRRM has ever claimed to be making an ultra realistic series rather than a series partially inspired by real life events, but he did make that tax policy statement, so.

>>10765292
I read a bit and dropped it. I loved Worm but Pact just didn't do it for me. I'd say it counts as fantasy but people here aren't familiar with Wildbow for some reason.

>>10766071
>he did make that tax policy statement,
That never made sense. What's Robert's tax policy?

>>10766071
>i don't know whether GRRM has ever claimed to be making an ultra realistic series
The thing I liked about ASoIaF was how fantastic elements were treated with real-world skepticism until personally witnessed. Daenerys likely didn't fully believe in dragons, having never seen the skulls.

>>10766071
>i don't know whether GRRM has ever claimed to be making an ultra realistic series rather than a series partially inspired by real life events, but he did make that tax policy statement, so.
From interviews I think it's more that his fantasy was a direct reaction to fantasy at the time, like Wheel of Time. He didn't necessarily want to make a more "realistic" series so much as he wanted to make a series where these medieval and legendary traits being romanticized were treated in the opposite way.

>>10766089
>That never made sense. What's Robert's tax policy?
Same as the old kings, but spend and borrow way more.

>>10766089
honestly, the only specific tax I remember from the books is Tyrion's whore tax, which was after Robert, of course. Littlefinger also had a good handle on economics (rather than just borrowing money like in the show) but GRRM doesn't go into specifics if I remember correctly.

>>10765915
>What was Aragorn's tax policy?

>>10766008
>comic sans TAVERN
lol

Corsair by Chris Bunch.

Where Loyalties Lie by Rob Hayes.

Half of the second Locke Lamora book is about him being a pirate. (the other half is about robbing a casino)

There's the Liveship Traiders series by Robin Hobb, but it's Hobb so I dunno if it's misery porn like the rest of her stuff or not.

Also there's always the Aubrey-Maturin series for non-piratical nautical adventures.

>>10756306
Thats the one with some nigger-japanese skateboarding protagonist, right?

>>10761101
Ronan wills

>>10765320
I like the colour palette but that that bit of dialogue is so cringey without any context.

>>10765610
Don't. Rothfuss is the greatest con artist ever, tricking so many that his books are actually good.

>>10761894

Its been happening before that picture was posted even in the last thread.

>>10763072

Good God, is this real?

>>10764985

Are the new new Black Company books any good? I haven't read to the point where people started getting down on the series but maybe it gets better?

>>10764130
According to its author, the series is widely read by men in the military service. I guess they can relate to the menial tasks and the chum-like tone of the narrator. The exposition and the convenient way in which events unfold make it a pretty easy read.
The job of the annalist, according to Croaker, is to write down events (no matter how petty) and write them in a way anyone from future generations can understand the events. What I didn't understand is why so much focus on all the retarded Disney like magic duels between the wizards and who the fuck would care about them after that generation was long dead. I actually had to skip those parts because they made me cringe like a Harry Potter novel would.

>>10766646
I got bored during all the Taglia shit

How different would Middle Earth have been by the events of the third age in The War of the Ring if Morgoth had managed to corrupt Hurin and made him his general?

>>10766766
It depends when he was corrupted and how this affects his brother, Huor. Because through Huor we get his son Tuor, who is the catalyst for the Fall of Gondolin and Earendil who plays a critical part in the War of Wrath. Also through this same bloodline we get Elrond and Elros. Numenoreans and eventually Aragorn are descendants of Elros.

So if the corruption of Hurin affects his brother and his brother's children, absolutely everything changes.

I suppose there's also Turin, Hurin's son, but that line ends with Turin's sorry life.

>>10766646
Book 4 (Shadow games) is barely readable, then it has its ups (Soldiers live) and downs (Bleak Seasons).

The whole problem is that the South is a pretty boring setting and the guy overuses a silly plot device to basically learn what any character may be doing at any point in time or at any location, because it's just easier to write that way.
The not-India region got old really quickly.

>>10766074
Yeah I barely see Worm talked about on here or the rest of /lit/. Making any thread on /co/ triggers the shitposters into whining for mods to remove the threads because "waaaaah not a comic or cartoon!!!11! - /tv/ threads, what /tv/ threads?"
But all that aside, Worm does powers well, and the plot is smooth enough except for a few points.

>>10765316
Not a single book in this thread is better written than hearts of stone, and that's a fact.

>>10766859
>spreading alternative facts
Not shitting on TW3 but literally the first book mentioned ITT is BotNS.

>>10766960
Well at the very least it's up there. also not saying tw3 as a whole is even close, but hos I would rate like a genuine great work of art

Fun little story I ran across. Kinda a feminist-dystopia vibe.

>>10766372
Thank you, my man.

>>10765915

Hurfhurdurr A) we're talking about "realistic" fantasy, B) a setting will feel more authentic if it is somewhat parallel to reality. Plenty of people could get away with video game-tier gold/silver/copper currency, but Martin chose to have five copper denominations instead. This begs the question why? Is the largest coin massive? Is it a fiat currency represented by metal coins? If so why use silver and gold?

>>10765876
wikipedia desu. It's not bad for basic outlines of non-controversial topics

>>10765293

No I think that's technically factually accurate, it is certainly more complex.

>>10765915
>apart of this genre
No, I'd say it qualifies as fantasy.

>>10766997
I liked it.
Thanx for sharing.

>>10766372
Why do you autists from /co/ & /g/ always get triggered by comic sans? I've been on 4chan for 12 years(sadly, pls end me), and if I post that comic sans marco in /co/ or /g/ I would still get a bunch of (you)s with triggered autismos.

>>10766848
Webnovels and blogs are not lit. Fuck off. Until the author publishes worm in a book or on Amazon, it's not lit. Fuck off redshitor.

>>10765293
That's what he calls "more complex than actual British medieval coinage"? Has he ever looked at British medieval coinage? His system, while somewhat unintuitive (really, multiples of 7?), is pretty simple.

Four farthings make a penny, two make a halfpenny. Two halfpennies make a penny. Two pence make a twopence. Three pennies make a threepence. Four make a groat. Six make a sixpence. 12 make a shilling. A florin is two shillings (2/-) or 24 pence, a half crown is 2/6 or 30 pence, a crown is 5/-, a half sovereign is 10/-, a sovereign is 20/- or 1£, a guinea is 21/-, and all of that is without dealing with the weird ones like mites (1/24 of a penny, but only used for accounting), nobles and angels (6/8), marks (13/4, only used in accounting), third guineas (7/-), and so on and so on.

>>10767269
What if it's a webnovel that eventually got self-published in dead tree form for collectors, like The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect?

>>10767273
Stop you're breaking my head

The Name of the Wind is the most beautiful fantasy book I've read in a while and also best written. I really enjoyed it, it was magical and beautiful, I wasn't prepared for such good fantasy. I thought it was just some mediocre page turner. Love it.

>>10767319
See >>10767312

>>10767325
Bad taste. Go back to your Dungeons and dragons fantasy 'literature' for autistic virgins.

Better than expected

Thank you based Ted

>>10767330
To go back I'd need to have been there in the first place.

>>10767319

I'm dropping Thomas Covenant after going through the first two books. Finishing the Illearth War was a really frustrating experience. You have a protagonist who makes my fucking teeth grate, someone so pathetic and contemptible that I began to root for Lord Foul instead. For 1000 fucking pages I have read Thomas bitch, moan and whinge about every fucking thing while being a useless cunt. Even when he does help, he does it in such a self-entitled way that you just the novel to shift to another PoV.

No, it's not that I don't like anti-heroes, but I have never come across someone so singularly unlikable as Thomas Covenant. The Elena-Thomas romance made me want to just drop the novel there and then. Is this an American thing? Do you guys like such characters for their 'individualism', is there literally anyone who can empathise with him?

It's not just that, the only thing Donaldson seems to be good at is writing about scenery porn, his verse is shit, his climax built up over half the book is 'we'll drive the orcs into Fangorn' which was supposed to be the masterplan of a superb tactician.

Fuck this trash, and fuck whoever recommended this to me.

>>10767429
You're not supposed to like him. He isn't the hero, his companions are.

>>10767429
>Conversely, in 1986, David Langford published an essay by Nick Lowe, in which Lowe suggested "a way to derive pleasure from Stephen Donaldson books. (Needless to say, it doesn't involve reading them.)"[3] This proposal involved a game he called "Clench Racing", wherein players each open a volume of the Chronicles of Thomas Covenant to a random page; the winner is the first to find the word "clench". Lowe describes it as a "fast" game – "sixty seconds is unusually drawn out".

>>10766859
Hearts of Stone may be the peak of vidya writing but many books written in this thread eclipse it.

any good new cyberpunk or post-cyberpunk out there ?

>>10767476
Of course, heros who are relegated to being side acts to Covenant's misery and angst and end up perpetually failing because of him.

This shit is more emo than whatever is the peak of emo

>>10767918
wrong on both accounts.

I bought the Foundation series by Asimov the other day, and realised I am missing "Forward the Foundation".
As far as my googling has shown, there is no publication of this book that matches my book covers [pic related].
Am I retarded and can't find it? If not, what would be the best alternative? It bothers me to have matching covers for 6/7...

>>10767923
River of Gods

>>10767954
is this about future windows scammers

who would win in a war, a futuristic sci fi civilization of people wearing togas, or a futuristic sci fi civilization of people wearing really big collars?

>>10763857
not him but thanks

>>10767932
>Of course, heros who are relegated to being side acts to Covenant's misery and angst and end up perpetually failing because of him.
Well, yeah. The whole thing is supposed to be a reflection of his mental state after all.
>This shit is more emo than whatever is the peak of emo
Exactly

>>10767947
Maybe the publisher didn't consider it part of the series? It is a weird pseudo-prequel.

>>10768017
Xeelee vs Photino birds made of dark matter

Does the dyke protagonist finally get dicked in this book?
I only kept reading because I was waiting for her to get the D, but it never happened.
I never really liked this series because it's low magic, and I'm not a Napoleon marching formation buff.

>>10767429
>Fuck this trash, and fuck whoever recommended this to me
I was telling you all for years to ignore Thomas Covenant, but you never listen. You always say my chart is "bait", then you actually read it then come back here to bitch and moan.

You deserve everything you got.

>>10768185
I ignored you, read it anyway, and thought it was pretty good.

>>10768207
The other guy doesn't agree with you faggot.
I bet you were the fag that recommended it to him.
I want to find the cunt from lit who recommended me that book in 2008....

>>10767332
He written anything good since this came out?

>>10767947
I'm currently finishing 'Second Foundation' after reading 'Foundation and 'Foundation and Empire', why would anyone want to read more Foundation? The books get somewhat more interesting when the Mule is about but on the whole they're dull and lacking any interesting ideas.

>>10768185
>You always say my chart is "bait"
I wonder why.

>>10768078
>dyke protagonist
>getting the dick
I have no idea what book that is but it sounds unlikely.

>>10768185
I call your chart bait because it contain genuinely amazing books along with some average and some trash books.

>>10768218
second foundation isn't as thrilling, but I recommend reading the rest. they're no Mule, but still interesting

>>10768213
>The other guy doesn't agree with you faggot.
You don't say.
>I bet you were the fag that recommended it to him.
It's certainly possible. I usually try to make sure they know what they're getting into though.

I want to pick Lyonesse up, but the Gollancz omnibus version is being sold for ridiculous prices here in germland. There seem to be copies left on the publisher's website sold for 30 pounds, but you need a credit card for those, and I have lost mine.

There were new versions of books individually released in 2016, but they feature the worst mobile game tier cover art ever. What are the odds any reputable publisher will rerelease these books again anytime soon? Where can you check when new titles are added to the Fantasy Masterworks series?

>>10768254
Sometimes they get raped, or have to pass the pucci to save themselves or someone they care about.
It's my fetish for lesbian girls to get dick. I find that hotter than normal girls getting D.

>>10768397
you sick domination fetishist

give me your reccs

>>10768397
stupid fmi cunts will be raped by niggers and arabs soon enough

>>10768397
Books where women give up the wetwalls by force?

>>10768841
>>10768397
>>10768426
Any novel that has women being raped will have the author prosecuted by the SJW and Feminists.
The social outrage would probably end his career. The publisher will hav to drop him.

>>10768968
theres like a bajillion "romance" novels where women are raped by men only then to fall in love with them or enjoying being raped.
those books are mostly written by women. and from what i can tell the general consensus on these is that they are "empowering".
sjw and feminists really just want a man in their life that controls them properly.

>>10768044
Enjoy. I did.

>>10768968
Yeah, absolutely career ending. lmao

sanderson a hack

>>10769199
>>10769277
Checked

>>10768397
Do you have any examples of a book with an actual lesbian having sex with a man? Rape or with consent.

>tfw spent nearly 9 months reading the Bible and now I don't know what to read

>>10769383
Gilgamesh, the OG fantasy.

Why did you spend 9 months reading the bible of all books?

>>10756586
lol no.
t. read it a few months ago

>>10769389
I don't know, I read it at a lot slower pace than I read normal novels, and whenever I finished a book of the Bible I'd leave it for a week or so before starting another one. I read the KJV so it wasn't exactly something you could skim through. I enjoyed it thoroughly though.

>>10769412
Are you religious or did you simply read it out of interest?

>>10769383
Read it again.

Any good sci-fi dealing with disease/plague/viruses?

>>10769434
Just out of interest, not to sound fedora but if anything it has made me less inclined towards traditional Christian sects after reading it but it's still a beautiful book.

What's a good science fantasy set in a world completely covered in snow?

>>10756406
Someone already mentioned Dracula, the original.

"I Am Legend" - Richard Matheson. Post Apocalyptic Vamps.

>Super Sales on Super Heroes 2 audiobook is in production by Nick Podehl. No other updates at this time.

>No idea on the narrator yet for Dungeon Deposed, either. I'm going to put it up to ACX and hold an audition call.

RRREEEEEE

Whoever creates the new thread, remember not to trigger the "order of the old threads" anon like I did >>10756468

I still feel awful

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>>10769663
>>10769663

>>10763756
Black Company

>>10765528
Lies of Locke Lamora
Night Angel Trilogy