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10718699 No.10718699 [Reply] [Original]

So I've actually been attacked by a mob of angry Zizekians.

What happened was I made a Youtube video--well researched and cited--critiquing Zizek's recent hitpiece against Peterson in the atlantic

(This one: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jordan-peterson-clinical-psychologist-canada-popularity-convincing-why-left-wing-alt-right-cathy-a8208301.html))

This video, which was a work of literary scholarship through and through, was very polite to Zizek while also offering constructive criticism.

In response, the Zizekians attacked me, calling me (among other things) "lowlife scum," etc...

... The question is, why are ZIZEKIANS so SENSITIVE re: PETERSONIANS?

>> No.10718714

>>10718699
They know he's too frightened to debate Peterson and let Communism die.
As Jordan says himself, denial is a frequent source of anger

>> No.10718722

is this what postmodern art looks like?

>> No.10718725

I despise emptiness.
The useless void.
The abyss of space.
Silenced nothingness.

>> No.10718727

>>10718699
>ywn be a chad rockstar philosopher and switch your wife for a younger one every 10 years

>> No.10718745

>>10718699
They are sperging because Peterson is getting the attention from pseuds that Zizek used to get. It's a reaction to losing their cultural relevance. You need to understand that commies are very neurotic people who live thinking communism will go full-on mainstream any day now, so they got their hopes very high when Zizek was starting to become popular, and now that the mainstream got bored of him, their hopes are getting crushed.

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10718763

>tfw Zizek wrote an alternative take on Antigone and its really bad

>> No.10718795

>>10718763
what a fucking pleb, i hope he is happy with the all the NEETbux he got from it

>> No.10718806

>>10718699
Link to the video or you're a liar

>> No.10718809

>>10718795
I doubt he got any money from it, I had to dig deep just to find out it existed
The gimmick is in post-modernist fashion the Chorus decides to stage a communist revolution and purge all the characters themselves

>> No.10718831

>>10718809
the fucking retard publishes like 3-4 copy/pasted books every year, i'm not sure what kind of game he is playing, i'm guessing he gets money from it somehow

>> No.10718851

>>10718699
Zizek is for children. Children get upset easily.

>> No.10718858

upboated

>> No.10718870

>>10718699
It's funny because they agree on more points than their followers would, and both are heavily influenced by the same group of thinkers (Freud, Jung, Merleu-Ponty et al, Lacan, etc...).

>> No.10718887

Remember when Peterson got so butthurt about the article he challenged a zizek quote bot to a debate?

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/963536145215733760
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/963537387790909441

>> No.10718894

>>10718887
Peterson just smells another chance to make neetbux

>> No.10718896

>>10718870
>Lacan
Peterson despises Lacan as just another bloody postmodernist. They probably would agree on Stalin and SJWs though.

>> No.10718905

>>10718896
>Peterson despises Lacan as just another bloody postmodernist.

He only says that because all he knows about Lacan is that he was a French guy in the 60s.
The fact he name drops Heidegger doesn't put him in a good position to try be against Lacan

>> No.10718952

>>10718905
To be fair, very few people outside of lit (and reddit) truely understand Lacan.

>> No.10718980

>>10718699

No Zizekians even thought it was a good Zizek piece, like he didn’t really say anything he hasn’t said a thousand times before and he literally used a quote from one of his books without citation.

Also you didn’t link your video


>>10718714
Literally Zero books set up an interview with Peterson and he straight up ghosted. He doesn’t actually want to talk to any Marxists. I even helped workshop the interview questions with Douglas Lain and now he can’t even get Peterson to acknowledge they were set up to talk. Peterson reflexively challenges Marxists to “debate” and everybody always says ‘yes let’s debate’ and then Peterson continues to claim nobody will bdebate him.


>>10718896
It’s endless astonishing to me that Peterson argues Jung can be formed into something scientifically credible, while totally dismissing Lacan.

>>10718952
Nobody on lit understand Lacan.

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>>10718763

It gets more fun if you read it with his voice sniffing here and there.

>> No.10718997

>>10718980
>He doesn’t actually want to talk to any Marxists. I even helped workshop the interview questions with Douglas Lain and now he can’t even get Peterson to acknowledge they were set up to talk. Peterson reflexively challenges Marxists to “debate” and everybody always says ‘yes let’s debate’ and then Peterson continues to claim nobody will bdebate him.

This is very true, the closest he came to talking with an actual Leftist was fucking Russel Brand.
I think he's simply a greedy coward and doesn't want the risk of actually engaging who he criticizes to affect his bread and butter

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>>10718980
the zero books guy already interviewed the Minotaur of Milwaukee, what does he need puny Memerson for?

>> No.10719002

>>10718980
A brilliant strategy given that nobody takes Marxists seriously. Why normalize their fringe conspiracy theories?

>> No.10719014

>>10719001
I dream of seeing Sadler going Mountain on Peterson

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>>10719014
that would be extremely painful

>> No.10719056

>>10718980
>He doesn’t actually want to talk to any Marxists.
Zizek should call his bluff desu, Peterson is setting himself up for a failure if Zizek accepts his challenge. But I don't think Zizek actually gives a shit about American/Canadian intellectuals.

>> No.10719059

>Zizek fanboys understand anything he has written
>Peterson fanboys read books instead of simply watching youtube videos
wow OP if you actually thought intellectual discussion can happen between plebs you probably fall into one of these categories.

>> No.10719063

>>10719056
>Zizek should call his bluff desu, Peterson is setting himself up for a failure if Zizek accepts his challenge. But I don't think Zizek actually gives a shit about American/Canadian intellectuals.
Zizek doesn't give a fuck about anything beyond his own memeing, he hasn't even cared for politics beyond his Hegel books for a while

>> No.10719066

>>10719056
>But I don't think Zizek actually gives a shit about American/Canadian intellectuals.

Thats part of the problem. Zizek never bothers appearing on meme channels or speakers.
Reading the article it seems like he didn't even know who Peterson was

>> No.10719081

>>10719066
>Reading the article it seems like he didn't even know who Peterson was
it's obvious he didn't, the newspaper probably asked him for an article about Peterson and he just stole some sentences about Peterson from random articles and copy/pasted from his previous articles the rest of the article

what i am saying is that zizek is basically a Chad

>> No.10719099

>>10719081
*sniff* that should do, back to eating hotdogsh before I fuck my young wife and have my 14 hour sleep and so on

>> No.10719102

>>10718980
>Literally Zero books set up an interview with Peterson and he straight up ghosted
he should interview Bret Weinstein instead, he is closer to the left and not as much of a meme as Peterson, even though he is basically an STEMretard

>> No.10719111

Don't worry, we are entering the post-petersonian era.

>> No.10719115

>>10719002
>righties in favor of deplatforming
disgraceful

>> No.10719129

>>10718980
>literally Zero books set up an interview with Peterson and he straight up ghosted.
can you source that?

>> No.10719140

>>10719111
i noticed there are many semi-mainstream publication that are starting to catch up into the anti-pc and memerson train. Which means that soon anti-pc and memerson won't be contrarian positions anymore, which means edgy kids will move on to the next big thing

i'm kind of curious what's next

>> No.10719148

>>10719129
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwadKXYm7v4
in the description from this video
>The program featured professor Jordan Peterson, who is scheduled to be a guest on this podcast next month
that was december so i guess he should have appeared in January, which i was kind of looking forward to hearing. I'm not that guy so no idea about the ghosting sorry.

>> No.10719170

>>10719148
Thanks. A quick google search also gave me this: https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/7p6u1k/jordan_peterson_bailing_on_zero_books_podcast/
It's stated in the first paragraph that the podcast was postponed with a promise for it to be rescheduled. Now, I still think it's possible that Peterson might end up finally cracking under the pressure and refusing to talk to Zero Books because it might expose his terminological conflations when it comes to the way in which he describes his designated enemy, but that's really just speculation at this point.

>> No.10719192

>>10719170
Ah reddit, home of Jordan Peterson fans

>> No.10719214

>>10718894
You don't seem to know what neetbux are.

>> No.10719231

>>10719214
it's what fuels patreon, you think well adjusted working people would have the need to throw money at their screens to feel a sensation of being part of something?

>> No.10719239

>>10719214
Its money the government and well meaning parents unwisely give to a sorry class of lost children

>> No.10719258

>>10718699
Post your video, faggot.

>> No.10719270

>>10719258
there's no video, it's just a meme

>> No.10719345

>>10719002
I think it has something to do with frozen peaches

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>> No.10719357

>>10718699

Zizek is the Memerdan Memerson for Brocialists.

>> No.10719418

>>10719002
I suppose because Peterson repeatedly says “Marxists won’t debate me” as evidence of their intellectual poverty, yet Marxists are clambering to debate him, so I guess it’s just a matter of whether or not you care about Peterson’s intellectual honesty.

>>10719102
The Zero books podcast interview all sorts of people who that could happen. Zizek has been on it before.

>>10719129

What that commenter said, and then Zero’s twitter has been at tweeting Peterson in an attempt at public shamming. I’m not going to give screens of the question brainstorming. The whole line of questioning we had going basically revolved around trying to get him to talk specifically about how he talks about ‘postmodernism’ and ‘neomarxism’, and to bring up to him the significant anti-postmodern critiques that Marxists have written. Also to interrogate his views on Nietzsche and how they relate to postmodernism.

>> No.10719437

>>10718980
>Also you didn’t link your video

OK I relent. Here's da video: https://youtu.be/yUuysOMcyFc

>> No.10719691

>>10718699
Have you tried not being lowlife scum?

>> No.10719700

>>10719437
i liked ur video

>> No.10719713

Angry Zizekians? What about the angry Jordonites I see popping up here and there! Hope they have a meeting soon, Hype hype ZizekPeterson bowl!

>> No.10719715

>>10719056
Fucking kek
Zizek got destroyed by will self of all people

>> No.10719749

>>10719418
Peterson’s views on Nietzsche are already crystal clear. What purpose would this serve other than a gotcha?

>> No.10719769

>>10719749
Neitzsche fits JP's definition of PoMo quite nicely. It's an inherent tension I don't think he's ever addressed. I remember when he was mentioning the postmodernists, he characterized them as "a group with a dislike for grand narratives" and that they produced the toxic idea (which he ironically agrees with) that "facts have an infinite amount of interpretations". Seems like you could fit Nietzschean Perspectivism into that box with very little effort.

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10719770

Right winger Stefan Molyneux also made a vid about it

https://youtu.be/UDGlSkJb_FM

>> No.10719771

Literally "my dad could beat up your dad" the thread. But I guess Zizek is more like a crazy uncle.

>> No.10719779

>>10719771
Is he an uncle because what he does is on par with molestation?

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10719784

>>10718699
>ZIZEKIANS
>PETERSONIANS

>> No.10719795

>>10719784
AHAHAHAHAH STACYYYYYYYY WE'RE OLD AND CHAD DOESN'T WANT US ANYMOREEEE! WHAT SHOULD WE DO EXCEPT TAKE XANAX WITH WINE WHILE HAVING A MENTAL BREAKDOWN??!?!?

>> No.10719811

>>10719437
>terrible lighting
>oily hair
>"it's happening"

I lasted 5 seconds. You make a solid case for the internet being a mistake.

>> No.10719813

>>10719769
>Neitzsche fits JP's definition of PoMo quite nicely.
Not even remotely. Peterson concurs with Nietzsche on the proposition that there are shades and levels of truth and meaning rather than
>a group with a dislike for grand narratives"
Nietzche loved grand narratives. He invented some of the grandest and least plausible of them all.

>> No.10719821

>>10719811
>reddit spacing
"Opinion" discarded entirely

>> No.10719823

>>10719813
>Nietzche loved grand narratives
I'll just pretend this is bait and move on.

>> No.10719839

>>10719823
What else would you call his theory of racial survival?

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>>10719437
I hope you realize that waving a pan around in a video that you can stage any way you want is unnecessary.
More globally speaking, try not to hurry as much as you speak through your nose. It could give more weight to your words.

But yeah, you're right, ZIzeks piece was completely disappointing - I'm sure he could have said something insightful about Peterson.

>> No.10719844

>>10718763
>deep grass
Question: what exactly is deep grass?
Also shit composition. Do you have a pdf tho, I wanna laugh some more.

>> No.10719852

>>10719030
You're a big guy,

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>>10719821
You dull faggot, don't post your video if you can't handle a response. Here's the spoonfeeder version: if you don't care about how you present your opinion, no one will care about it. Youtube is a visual medium. People will discard your opinion if you don't try to make it look good. Even using your Zizek toilet photo as a static background image would have been better.

>> No.10719936

>>10719933
I'm not that guy and I'm not reading your post

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>>10719933
ok so it's not just me who finds the new balenciaga shit ridiculous af

>> No.10719955

>>10719170
Peterson can always ignore the questions and confrontation and simply start talking about the dragon with the gold, or tell another anecdote. His dad rhetoric is indestructible.

>> No.10719962

>>10719844
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/search.php?req=Zizek+antigone&lg_topic=libgen&open=0&view=simple&res=25&phrase=0&column=def
I think its the only piece of fiction Zizek has published. Its really bad, the characters often just speak like he copy and pasted from his non-fiction

>> No.10719967

>>10718699
Internet Marxist are some of the most easily upsettable people on the internet

>> No.10719989

>>10718699

Because you are, and Peterson is a fraud.

>> No.10720012

>>10719955
What, don't you think dualistic categories are neat? Archetypal theory is basically Hegel for psychologyfags.

>> No.10720328

>>10719839
>>10719839
not him but ur fukkin dumb like all pedersen fags that you sound like bait

>> No.10720348

>>10719437
fuck. this is a man boy

>> No.10720385

>>10719437
you're an idiot

>> No.10720408

>>10718714
http://thephilosophicalsalon.com/a-reply-to-my-critics-concerning-an-engagement-with-jordan-peterson/


>This is no place to develop extensively my views. To anyone interested in them, I propose to take a look at my book The Courage of Hopelessness, which has just appeared in the US. And a final note. I neither participate in Facebook nor do I tweet, but I was informed there are anonymous persons who are active in both media pretending to be me. All such cases are fakes. So I was surprised to learn that Peterson is challenging me to a debate, in response to a tweet operating under my name. If he really wants to, I am ready to do it during my next visit to New York next October.

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>>10720012
>>10720012
wtf why have none of Peterson's fans or even Peterson himself READ Jung? why hasn't he read Nietzsche? fuck this fraud needs to be in a dialogue already

Peterson is the dumbest professor I've seen since day one he's such a low-level "intellectual"

>> No.10720418

Peterson in a debate against Zizek would be like a community college teach against a sophist

>> No.10720438

>>10720418
It would be fun.

>> No.10720485

>>10720328
That’s a lot of puling with no argument. Go ahead and prove me wrong if you can manage to solve two captchas on the same day.

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>> No.10720500

>>10720485
Nietzsche has no racial theory of survival. May I ask how many of his books have you read? Also it's obvious that you're unfamiliar with linguist David Crystal from the way you frame your response but what do I expect from an internet man boy who gets his learning from chans and youtube videos

>> No.10720501

>>10720487
Zizek is
EFFAY
F
F
A
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>> No.10720511

>>10720485
> Go ahead and prove me wrong if you can manage to solve two captchas on the same day
le please text correctly

go listen to englishist David Crystal and get some real intellectual sources in your life please soy boy

>> No.10720517

>>10720418
>>10720418
>>10720418
>>10720418

>> No.10720530

>>10720500
>Nietzsche has no racial theory of survival
You should probably read him before discussing him online.
>>10720511
Nice dodge

>> No.10720545

I literally have to laugh at petersonfags

I haven't witnessed the uprising of such a cultural philistine during my life before

>> No.10720550

I asked you what books you have read?

Did you read them in order like he recommends you to?

How many years have you spent studying Nietzsche (assuming you hadn't only heard about him last year)

Do you have knowledge of German?

>Go ahead and prove me wrong
You are middle class redditor skin and bones man

>> No.10720559

>>10720545
they are the fedora-tier atheists of today

>muh superior logic and science
>woohoo we into books too like you
>waah we need daddy
Fucking postindustrial unwashed masses

>> No.10720571

>Nietzsche racial theory of survival

Jesus christ what's he gonna say next, the earth is flat

>> No.10720574

>>10720550
>Peterson utilizes Nietzsche
>"And this is why i think religion is so important!"

Peterson is literally the "philosopher" of the last man.

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hmm i smart hmm pederson

>> No.10720585

>>10720545
>your prose
My sides hurt

>> No.10720589

>>10720585
This man is changing my life day by day. I've recently been gravitated toward his youtube videos in a time when my life was conquered by chaos and extreme gradual entropy. His way of thinking and interpreting the world and its attributes are so profound thats its changing my whole point of view of the world. As a black young man (21 years old to be exact) going to college, I've been surrounded by a huge glob of extreme left ideologies thats been interfering with my field of vision for the past few years. My ignorance of identity politics destroying the university at heart has eventually led me to this sort of blindness that is seen across most disciplines and with many of my peers. It is the work and ideas of Dr. Peterson that has led me to see this work of identity politics and post modernism, and has made me act against it. His work as also changed my life in other obvious (although not as obvious at times) ways, such as sorting out whats in front of you (the meme of cleaning your room, for example), which has a compounding effect on my sortation of life. Thank you for using the new media of the world (youtube for instance) to reach out to people of all ethnicities and ages with your words of encouragement, realness, and compassion. May your life and the rest of ours become the best version of itself.

>> No.10720596

>>10720574
Ive watched hours of his talks and nothing is says is remotely nietzschean, unless you count the movie Prometheus quote or if a singer like Rihanna quotes "what does not kill you makes you stronger" lol

>> No.10720603

>>10720589
That’s pretty bad. But better than anything you ever wrote lmao

>> No.10720609

>>10720589
leave our reddit friend alone let him listen to one internet guy and pretend to be intellectual

>> No.10720612

>>10720603
he's right tho you are a stinky philistine

>> No.10720616

>>10718763
God this is so terrible I hope he plagiarized this too.

>> No.10720617

>>10720612
You’re angry that the followers of a self help guru are culturally above you.

>> No.10720631

>>10720617
>Dr Peterson, I came upon your lectures after I willfully challenged my presuppositions thru zen, meditative and reflective work, not to mention Nietzsche. I'm a 45 yo high openness and abstraction and high IQ, artistic. And from your lectures I now understand why I spent the last 25 unhappy as a software developer, depressed, battling alcoholism and addiction. Archetypally you are the father I needed. Forever grateful. You basically gave me the instruction manual to my life.

>> No.10720649

>>10720631
hahahah

and the classic

>my IQ is over 150

who does that lol

>> No.10720650

>>10720631
Cope

>> No.10720679

high oppenness and abstraction an EQ, artistic handsome and have a big dick too. 20 years professor of software programmer, depressing, weed addiction

You teach me jung (archetypes) and I forgive you. thanky ou professior

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Dr petterson thank you for my piarents and thank you for teaching me about archetype. Thank for psycology, learning and meditation

>> No.10721009

>>10719784
To be fair, ‘Zizekian’ is a term I’ve seen in numerous books and papers. Nobody has actually written petersonian in an academic paper yet though.

>>10719749
Because historically speaking postmodernism in france was born as a Nietzscheian reaction against the intellectual hegemony of Marx. Deleuze, Foucault, and Derrida all say Nietzsche as central to their thought. Deleuze wrote the classic book Nietzsche and Philosophy, Foucault radicalized Nietzsche’s genealogical method to breakdown notions like mental illness, criminality, sexuality, gender, education and so on.

>> No.10721020

>>10721009
>they interpret Nietzsche this way
>therfore how can he like nietzsche
Wow really makes one ponder

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>>10719770
oh god his book is sooo bad read the reviews

HE LITERALLY FUCKS UP FORMAL-LOGIC 101!!!!

>> No.10721231

>>10721020
The fact that he likes Nietzsche, and the people who he casts as his enemies also like Nietzsche seems like perfectly reasonable grounds on which to have a couple of questions on trying to delineate where they split on the interpretation

>> No.10721833

>>10721231
He has already addressed where they split. Or at least where he thinks they have split. Peterson concurs with Nietzsche that there are phases of truth and falsehood, he believes "the" postmodernists abuse skepticism in order to justify their own pet theories.

>> No.10721914

Are there any Zizekians here? Please suggest me a Zizek book that is readable without knowing much about Hegel. I've read Looking Awry and Violence already. The former was kinda hard to me to grasp but the latter was pretty good (with the exception of the last chapter).

>> No.10722021

>>10721914
I think First as Tragedy, Then as Farce is his most accessible book probably.

While he talks about Hegel in Sublime Object, it is mainly about Lacan.

>> No.10722514

>>10719437
i thought OP was just memeing and trying to present Zizek drones as if they were as retarded as Memerson drones just for fun.

but it turns out that he was actually 100% serious about them being the same kind of buttblasted fanboys.. I guess some sort of balance in the universe has been achieved :3

>> No.10722519

>>10719713
>Hope they have a meeting soon, Hype hype ZizekPeterson bowl!
we established in a previous thread that the official name of the battle would be "the feud of the pseuds"

>> No.10722528

>>10719715
i saw that video, breddy gud to see what happens when somebody talks back to Zizek without getting tangled up on all the tangentially related verbal diarrhea he throws at them and instead try to stick to a point

>> No.10722533

>>10718809
That really sounds more Brechtian than postmodern.

>> No.10722538

>>10719962
>the characters often just speak like he copy and pasted from his non-fiction
why am i not surprised?

>> No.10722541

>>10720408
so Zizek confirmed as a Chad?

>> No.10722550

>>10719770
No one cares about that fag.

>> No.10722552

>>10721179
Molymeme studied theater, no wonder he knows nothing about logic

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>>10720408
>http://thephilosophicalsalon.com/a-reply-to-my-critics-concerning-an-engagement-with-jordan-peterson/
>http://thephilosophicalsalon.com/a-reply-to-my-critics-concerning-an-engagement-with-jordan-peterson/
>Error: Our system thinks your post is spam.

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>>10720408
>If he really wants to, I am ready to do it during my next visit to New York next October.

Its happening

>> No.10722688

>>10718763
He says in the intro that it's not a poetic but a political exercise, way to miss the point.

>> No.10722691

>>10718806
This,

Link to the video you lowlife message board bater.

>> No.10722692

>>10722688
>my poetry isn't a poetic exercise

Shut the fuck up, pre-emptive damage control doesn't make it any better

>> No.10722714

>>10718714
>They know he's too frightened to debate Peterson and let Communism die.
well to be fair zizek is the worst public speaker of all time

>> No.10722717

>>10722691
>>10718806
the video is linked here you retards >>10719437

>>10720408
>The leitmotif of my critics in mentioning the link between Peterson and the alt-right is that I am wrong, displaying my basic lack of acquaintance with what I criticize: Petersen is a radical liberal
kek, i'm sure that Petersen was deliverate

>> No.10722741

>>10722717
>kek, i'm sure that Petersen was deliverate

The gloves are off, I memed earlier about him calling him Patterson

>> No.10722767

>>10722514
It's only because his argumentation is shit

>> No.10722773

>>10722767
there's no need to be upset

>> No.10722866

>>10719715
I don't know. I agree with >>10722528
in that it was refreshing to see someone oppose Zizek and even make him panic slightly (https://youtu.be/_OAWRinR6GM?t=2760, this exchange especially really puts Zizek on the spot). But Self did this by adopting a cynical non-position where he gets to ask questions but not have to make any answers. One of the reasons why he comes off as the winner in this exchange is just that he's a lot smoother than Zizek so his evasions end up looking like provocations (like for instance when Zizek says, "Here's the problem with you" at which Self lies down like he's about to be analysed, which shifts away the focus from a criticism of Self's political position).

But also he ignores Zizek self-proclaimed project, to ask the right questions, and make demands of him which don't relate to his project, effectively blaming him for the status of the world, to the tune of "why do you talk about the world if can't solve all its problems?" The question Zizek kept trying to ask but never quite managed is "well why do you get to ask me questions about the state of the world as its falling apart; you censure me because I have no positive spirit but neither do you you hypocrite!"

I also find the exchange quoted above to be really disingenuous on the part of Self. "Oh, why do you, a philosopher, make references to other philosophers which are not entirely self-justifying!? You must be somewhat pretentious=fake=not worth anybody's time."

>> No.10722908

>>10718699
>hitpiece against Peterson in The Atlantic
>posts a link to The Independent

>> No.10722919

>>10722866
In the end of the day Will Self is a non-entity, just a blustering Jew interested in nothing but his own self promotion.

>> No.10722932

>>10719140
Full on SJWism. Get ready to read "intersectionality" a lot here.

>> No.10722966

>>10722932
That shit doesn't work well on a forum where you can post nigger whenever you want

>> No.10723005

>>10722966
4chan SJWism will be very special, just like 4chan's experiment with the right

>> No.10723009

>>10723005
looking forward to it

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>>10718699
>Zizekians

>> No.10723019

>>10722966
I mean, this only means that once PC alarmism reaches critical mass, and it becomes clear that anonymous space can't be speech-policed the way social networking already is, some wannabe progressive politician will pass a law outlawing online anonymity and sites which offer it in the name of 'accountability'.

>> No.10723024

>>10723019
we were talking about contrarian countercultures, not about people that can legislate

>> No.10723033

>>10723024
I'm just pointing out that, while you are right about imageboards being impervious to sjw counter-culture that isn't going to save us if the rest of the internet gets intersectionally colonized

>> No.10723037

>>10722908
At least someone else noticed...

>> No.10723039

>>10723017
Do you prefer Zizekikes?

>> No.10723068

>>10722688
this is his stupid excuse any time he wants to try something new or creative. Maybe if he can only be taken seriously during 'political exercises' he should stick to politics.

>> No.10723104

>>10719437
Zizek didn't clean his room. Too busy sniffing and meming.

>> No.10723113

>>10720408
YESS

>> No.10723117

>>10718980
>Peterson reflexively challenges Marxists to “debate” and everybody always says ‘yes let’s debate’ and then Peterson continues to claim nobody will bdebate him.
what a weenie

>> No.10723148

>>10719111
>>10719140
>>10722932
>>10722966
>>10723005
I don't know about that, I mean if you look at this whole political correctness "SJW" thing, it's really been decades in the making. It's not as if this type of stuff popped up overnight, it's been gestating since the 60s and what we're seeing now is the endgame so to speak. Maybe one day the memekid 'counterculture' will shift to that, but I don't think it will be anytime soon. This whole right wing 'trigger the liberuls with edginess' thing is going to last a lot longer than you seem to be implying, and we won't see the full arch of its impact for decades.

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>>10720408
>copy/pastes his first article from unrelated articles he wrote before
>proves he can actually write better than Peterson and responds to all criticism on his second article
>misspells Petersen
>plugs his own book
>accepts any challenge to anything
is zizek a chad?

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>>10723148
>This whole right wing 'trigger the liberuls with edginess' thing is going to last a lot longer than you seem to be implying, and we won't see the full arch of its impact for decades.
but i mean that the mainstream seem to be already jumping into the anti-SJW train, for example
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/02/the-more-gender-equality-the-fewer-women-in-stem/553592/
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/bari-weiss-immigrants/553550/?utm_source=twb

that means that the contrarian internet will be forced to jump into a new meme ideology, it can never last when big publication and fringe internet align into the same belief system

>> No.10723194

>>10723170
Two articles on The Atlantic the mainstream does not make. Go to any major media outlet, public school, university, Fortune 500 company, etc, and you're going to be getting the same 'diversity is our strength'/the future is female'/'equality is a virtue' type stuff, with no end in sight.

>> No.10723210

>>10723149
absolute intellectual unit

>> No.10723228

>>10723149
>Misspells Petersen, subtly insulting his ancestors by implying they are Danes.
What an absolute madman.

>> No.10723252

>>10723148
the culture wars have gone through a few swings of the pendulum already. 60s/70s left, 80s/90s right, then left again with 00s/10s. this isn't the endgame and the pendulum has plenty of momentum left for a few more swings at the very least

>> No.10723319

>>10723149
look at his wife, he's THE chad philosopher

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>>10723319
breddy gud

>> No.10723340

>>10723319
Does Peterson even have a wife?
We see his daughter all the time but where is her mother?

>> No.10723345

>>10723333
That's his second wife, his third wife is cute but she isn't a literal supermodel like his second

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>even for a second entertaining Zizek as anything but a meme

>> No.10723397

>>10723148
Honestly I was just memeing because the idea of 4chan becoming a hub of poststructuralist intersectionalist feminist types would be the strangest yet funniest thing I could imagine.

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>>10722550
Apparently Zizek cared enough to mention him indirectly as "that one critic" who dismisses women's rights using 50 Shades of Grey as proof. I think he did so in a recent Youtube video about Zizek's article which might mean that Zizek watches Molyneaux videos. What a time to be alive...

Maybe this is the moment Zizek becomes a Youtuber.

>> No.10723752

>>10723345
Honestly I like his third wife better, she has a homely feel to her. Although she's a novel writer so she's probably annoying.

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who is she?

>> No.10724009

>>10723752
Margaret Cho

>> No.10724030

Zizek's second wife was a model

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>>10724030

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10724043

too bad she was young in pre-internet days, someone needs to rescan high res fotos

>dat face
>dose mamms

There is literally no better summation than Zizek is alpha and Peterson is beta. Peterson can't speak German and French, has a fanbase totally of teenage youtubers, uses a lobster and argues against a quotes bot account

>> No.10724051

When will they debate? I'd like to see it.

>> No.10724108

>>10724033
>Analia
lol this can't be real

>> No.10724116

>>10724108
what's surprising about a meme marrying another meme?

>> No.10724162

>>10724108
damn that's so sexy

>> No.10724434

>>10724043
>and argues against a quotes bot account

Makes me laugh evry time

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why did i venture into fucking twitter to check stuff about this possible debate? fuck you guys, this is the kind of shit you forced me to see

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>>10718763
He did it because some cuck in Zagreb asked him to. I was present at the book signing in the national theatre. Was probably among the first few people that read it. Got the book and his autograph real cheap.

>> No.10724494

>>10724480
is he a manlet?

>> No.10724509

>>10724494
I don't really remember. He was sitting down when I was there. I think he was taller than me. And since I'm a king of manlets, I'd say he's 6 feet tall.

>> No.10724632

>>10718896
It's hilarious that Peterson thinks Lacan is a post-modernist. It would be fine if he had specific points of contention about the thinkers who are generally associated with postmodernism, but holy shit. It seems like to Peterson, anything written after 1960 that challenges something he likes or seems overly complicated forms part of this amorphous boogieman that he can cite to rile up his minions.

>> No.10724641

>>10724632
has Peterson spoken about Lacan? i've only heard him complain about Foucault and Derrida

>> No.10724710

test

>> No.10724775

>>10724641
We included his name in a tweet about bad thinkers but I never seen him actually talk about his ideas at all
Which is strange given he claims to be a fucking Psychoanalyst

>> No.10724791

>>10724775
who's we? are you wagecucking for Peterson?

>> No.10724806

>>10724791
I did a letter by accident and revealed myself. He has to keep expanding his patreonbucks somehow

>> No.10724854

>>10719437
you'd be kinda cute if you cleaned your fucking oily ass hair

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10724864

>>10719437
>mfw OP is actually real but those 'hate' comments from Zizekfags aren't

>> No.10724888

>>10724854
Also if he lost the autism glare

>> No.10724907

>>10719989
This, just stop living the lie Kermitians

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10724916

>>10723149
of courš

>> No.10724949

>>10724043
Jesus, how can Petersonfrogs ever recover?

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>>10724949
>>10724043
>Meanwhile Peterson's wife

*breathes in*

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHA

>> No.10724985

>>10724973
(((Peterson's wife)))

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>>10724973
His daughter is cute.

>> No.10725049

>>10725038
I want to bury my face in her armpits

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>>10725049

>> No.10725766

>>10719437
>tfw this is real
>tfw OP is actually the idiot I thought he was parodying

wow. i guess not everything is a larp
embarrassing

>> No.10725774

>>10719770
Why does this guy make 40+ minute videos? He has nothing of interest to say. Forty minutes is the length of a book seminar.

>> No.10725802

>>10725774
He sometimes make three hour long lectures on single subjects. They're like Fidel Castro's "big speeches", he's cult leader tier in this way