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>>10720263
first

>>10720263
PETERSON BTFO HOLY KEK

I don't even like women, I think they're all bloody Marxists.

> find this line of attack very strange. Whatever one thinks about my theories, one constant in them is my critical rejection of postmodern deconstructionism and of the dismissal of modern science as yet another ”discursive practice,” the “truth-effect” of which is to be historically relativized. Furthermore, a year or so ago, when I questioned Political Correctness and some aspects of LGBT+ movement (and some other things problematic for today’s “radical Left,” like the predominant stance towards refugees), I was not only submitted to a long series of extremely brutal attacks, but I was also gradually excluded from the public media.

Is Zizek unaware that this excerpt makes him Alt-Right as well

lol at his english

>>10720309
I don't think it's very nice to make fun of someone's grammar if it's not their first language.

>>10720311
How many languages do you speak?
Also:

>>10720263
How come a slightly unkempt, Slovenian communist like Zizek feels like a nice guy and a cool uncle, whereas a slender, Western capitalist Peterson is almost repulsive and so on and so on?

>>10720308
>Is Zizek unaware that this excerpt makes him Alt-Right as well
Are you braindead?

>>10720308
Only because the alt-right believes in a marxist strawman. Due to some blue-haired girl they didn't like in high school, they now think marxism is about destroying the west and masculinity or something.

>>10720325
I only speak one language.

>>10720263
>So I was surprised to learn that Peterson is challenging me to a debate, in response to a tweet operating under my name. If he really wants to, I am ready to do it during my next visit to New York next October.
Best timeline

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeWx9_2oWDQ

>>10720349
I just love how they all took some 16 year old tumblrwhale's word for it that she'd read Das Kapital or Le deuxieme sexe.

>>10720333
It's a strange thing. You've either got charisma or you don't.

Does Peterson really believe the following:

>But I do wholeheartedly disagree with Peterson when he enters the domain of conspiracy theories. What I find really problematic is that he interprets PC (and his other targets) as the extreme outgrowth of “cultural Marxism” (a block which comprises Frankfurt School, the “French” poststructuralist deconstructionism, identity politics, gender and queer theories, etc.). He seems to imply that “cultural Marxism” is the result of a deliberate shift in Marxist (or Communist) strategy: after Communism lost the economic battle with liberal capitalism (waiting in vain for the revolution to arrive in the developed Western world), its leaders decided to move the terrain to cultural struggles (sexuality, feminism, racism, religion…), systematically undermining the cultural foundations and values of our freedoms. In the last decades, this new approach proved unexpectedly efficient: today, our societies are caught in the self-destructive circle of guilt, unable to defend their positive legacy…

?

>>10720349
Marxists in general are all very anti-white, anti-tradition, anti-christian, anti-male, etc.

>>10720379
Yes, weirdly enough. He legitimately believes that Michel 'Cryptofascist' Foucault and Jacques 'The God that Failed' Derrida were part of a conspiracy to undermine western values.

>>10720388
>anti-male
nah, it pro drone worker. that's why the feminists and catholics wanted to leave because abortions are mandatory if you're not making good workers on schedule.

>>10720379
>>10720399
He's been vague, maybe to drum up urgency, about the exact motives behind the "cultural marxist" rise, but he's never explicitly stated it to be a genuine orchestrated conspiracy. He really only addresses the effects and underlying ideas, not the cause. He has also admitted many times that most in that regressive left group have good intentions and aren't malicious.

> If he really wants to, I am ready to do it during my next visit to New York next October.

HOLY SHIT ITS HAPPENING

>>10720388
That stuff happened way before Marx. Capitalism itself isn't traditional.

>>10720349
Marxists don't do enough to stand up o he intersectional left. Their lack of action seems like implicit support.

>>10720423
>octobre

>>10720263
This piece shows well the dialectical-level difference between Zizek and Peterson. As far as philosophy is concerned, Peterson wouldn't stand a chance. I bet he'll, unfortunately enough, have things already planned for October.

>>10720484
you know how many people would go that debate

>>10720484
Just waint until the Llubjana Lacanian destroys Peterson in both psychanalisis and philosophy.

>>10720333
Because you’re an insecure creep who immediately relates to anyonr flattering your received sentiments

>>10720308
>Alt-Right
>questioning immigration policy and Queer identity politics means you're right wing

>>10720496
>psychanalisis
i hope you haven't been bamboozled by a hateful Jewish cult anon

How much Freud do I have to read before starting with Jung?

>>10720484
Zizeks original article was a piece of pure hackwork. Peterson is intelligent but not learned. Zizek is a walking memorization machine who gets his shit pushed in by pseuds

>>10720508
as much as you want

>>10720504
questioning whatever the NYT is saying this month makes you Right Wing, yes. Welcome to the post war West, enjoy your stay

>>10720349
>they now think marxism is about destroying the west

>>10720507
Yes, psychanalisis is evil goy, keep taking the medicines and smiling, much more efficient, Freud and Lacan were evil, behaviourism and chemical intervention is good

>>10720399
>>10720379
It's only a conspiracy if you're conscious of the act. Peterson never suggests this. He calls them ideologues, which is damn true.

>So I was surprised to learn that Peterson is challenging me to a debate, in response to a tweet operating under my name. If he really wants to, I am ready to do it during my next visit to New York next October.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOH BOI

>>10720499
I was raised in an extremely serious Catholic family owing much to the country's capitalism and haven't known about Zizek until that article in The Independent. So no, you are wrong, you stupid fuck Petersonfag. Go blow the repulsive daddy's cock by donating some quid to his Patreon.

>>10720508
I'm not very well read and Freud but from what I know, The Interpretation of Dreams, Beyond the Pleasure Principle, and Civilization and its Discontents are good for building a Freudian framework. Apparently The Origins and History of Consciousness by Erich Neumann, one of Jung's students, is great for starting with Jung as well.

>>10720263
>So I was surprised to learn that Peterson is challenging me to a debate, in response to a tweet operating under my name. If he really wants to, I am ready to do it during my next visit to New York next October.
HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE

>>10720564
>building a Freudian framework
are you guys unironically, in all seriousness, without jest, implying that anybody should actually do this?

>>10720379
No, but it';s probably how Peterson has been presented to him. It was already clear Zizek had not actually looked extensively into Peterson himself.

>>10720560
>Zizek gets on a second smurf account to call out Peterson
>Peterson gives some hand wave response
>Zizek declares war
Is the man really this desperate for publicity? It's so obvious he's trying to capitalize on Peterson's fame it's kind of sad. It reminds me of that time Sam Harris tried to start some kind of altercation with Chomsky - - which of course ended like
https://youtu.be/LlOSdRMSG_k

>>10720366
neis

>>10720510
At some level, all knowledge is just a form of memorization. My point was that Zizek is unlikely to be less intelligent than Peterson (Zizek is in a vastly more advanced and intellectual field, psychology is a meme discipline) and more learned, vide his memorization that I dare to call knowledge. This makes Peterson a pseud, if not in general terms, then at least relatively to Zizek.

ONCE IN A LIFETIME

>I was not only submitted to a long series of extremely brutal attacks, but I was also gradually excluded from the public media. So, now my only access to media in English are three digital outlets: The Independent, Russia Today, and a channel of the Los Angeles Review of Books (which was kind enough to publish this reply – I was not able to post it on The Independent’s site, since it was cut off as too long for a comment).

Being Zizi is suffering.

>>10720602
>My point was that Zizek is unlikely to be less intelligent than Peterson (Zizek is in a vastly more advanced and intellectual field, psychology is a meme discipline)

>>10720573
Building a Freudian framework doesn't mean it's the one you view the world through. It means understanding his thought process. You know you can internalize multiple philosophies without sacrificing your "true" one, right?

>>10720333
What? There's nothing cool about Zizek's appearance. He looks like an alcoholic and chronic domestic abuser. Peterson at least looks somewhat respectable.

>>10720613
(suffering that he rightly deserves)

>>10720608
(FODDER FLOWING IN THEIR MOUTHS)
INTO THE PSEUDS AGAIN
(AFTER THE MONEY'S GONE...)

>>10720602
Peterson’s profession requires more rigour. His work is falsifiable. Which isn’t to say that Zizek’s field ofvstudy is worthless. Just that it’s a decaying one in which many third rate men have risen to the top.

>>10720641
>His work is falsifiable.
Like 4% of what he says has any evidence supporting it bucko

>>10720562
>I define myself by my rebellion against my parents, who peterson happens to resemble
so same thing just from the other direction

>>10720526
ebin :DDDDD

>>10720484
Peterson only cares about stroking his ego and making money out of his gullible followers. Given that this debate would make a lot of money, and that his cultists would ride his cock as always, of course he will do it.

>>10720643
I’m not saying every claim he makes has gone through a lab. Supply a few examples of Peterson’s baseless claims.

>>10720613
Psychology is much more of a 'real' discipline than politics or philosophy. Peterson deals with actual studies and successfully predicts and recreates behavior, a science. Zizek? Nothing of the sort. You must be joking. https://youtu.be/OzrHwDOlTt8
Watch, learn, shut up.

>>10720308
t. 75iq

i'd probably watch a debate between him and Peterson. Peterson is the only person who has ever engaged with Sam Harris without making Harris look like a significantly bigger idiot than himself. Chomsky destroys Harris and Zizek destroys Chomsky.

Zizek is still on top of the meme intellectual food chain, one of the few remaining public intellectuals that is actually an intellectual.

>>10720643
And what you say has 0% evidence supporting it.

So the fat-slob communist coke-head, feeling incensed, steps up in earnest this time against Canadian Kermit the cult leader. How will the 21st centuries greatest intellectual shitpost go down?

>>10720641
>psychology
>falsifiable

get off this board you fucking 78iq scum.

>>10720263
Holy shit the debate is actually going to happen

>>10720349
>they now think marxism is about destroying the west
is it not?

>>10720638
>There's nothing cool about Zizek's appearanc
>He looks like an alcoholic and chronic domestic abuser
Stop contradicting yourself bro

>>10720673
>Peterson is the only person who has ever engaged with Sam Harris without making Harris look like a significantly bigger idiot than himself
>actually believing this

>>10720670
you watch chomsky getting destroyed by foucault. Same shit, except Chomsky is even 2 levels above peterson.

Funny that people utilize the "peterson is a scientist"-argument, when 90% of Peterson is just deformed and vulgarized jungian theory

>>10720681
Do you think anti-depressants are magic?

>>10720681
Nice reddit spacing.

>>10720263
I would pay to see a movie in which Peterson and Zizek join forces to hunt down blue haired trans people in a post apocalyptic wasteland

>>10720695
He's more of a scientist than Zizek, which is the point. He constantly cites studies and statistics in his videos.The opening of his new book deals with actual evolutionary science. Sorry, bucko, you're wrong.

>>10720704
they can get into a love triangle with camile paglia as they cleanse the earth of trannies and lesbos

Is Marxism not about the eventual destruction of everything that isn’t Marxism?

>>10720710
statistics are inherently racist, so I wouldn't really count it as positive that he uses them

>>10720695
>Foucault won the debate with Chomsky

>>10720308

Zizek is reactionary and a gateway to fascism. Neo-marxists really don't like him.

>>10720648
Wrong. Stop attempting to psychoanalyse me, Jordan. This anon >>10720377 got it best, I think. Zizek's genuine and that's the sort of his charisma for me. Peterson is the opposite, lacking authenticity, who makes lots of logical and factual mistakes which combined exemplify the collapse of the real intellectual in the capitalist society for me. Most of all, from what I've seen of Zizek, he just throws a philosophy blob at you, gives his interpretation but leaves you there. Peterson seems to speak from the perspective of authority that he clearly doesn't have. Going to sleep now, leave me an answer if you find jarring disagreement with what I wrote. Gonna read it in the morning. Cheers.

>>10720688
Everything i dont like is marxism and part of the international communist conspiracy!!1

fun fact most of the postmoderns you hate so much are in direct conflict with Marxist thought. Marx was not in any way a postmodern thinker, in fact one might consider him the epitome of a modern thinker. There are still Marxists around, they do not think in the same way as your mainstream postmodern liberal retards. Postmodernism is largely an outgrowth of liberal and non-marxist socialist modes of thought.

Meanwhile big daddy neechee that you all worship was the godfather of postmodernist philosophy.

>>10720694
I watched that debate, neither of them could even find ground to argue on. While he didn't manage to look worse than Harris, he didn't manage to utterly humiliate him. I consider this a defeat for all intents and purposes because every other public intellectual that engages with Harris basically humiliates him.

>>10720710
>omg he uses studies and statistics
these aren't replacements for logic

>>10720718
It's about owning the fruits of your labour.

>>10720673
>Zizek is still on top of the meme intellectual food chain, one of the few remaining public intellectuals that is actually an intellectual.
This. Zizek is the biggest pop intellectual since Carlin. He would destroy Peterson on a debate.

>>10720736
what if I make babby through labor, is it mine

>>10720710
Wrong about what? I'm a different guy. I assume you imply that being a scientist has some further relevance? Especially citing studies somehow creating legitimacy? As a psychology student with a large interest in philosophy i encourage you to get some deeper into the principles of quantitative research and how at the second step of operationalization the whole thing falls apart, because it moves into the speculative field of language.

How do you operationalize for example: Love, Anger, Fear. Try to define it as something quantitaively measurable. You will come up, in almost every study, with a reductionist and, from my perspective, deeply ignorant operationalization of terms that, if you ask me, require deeper philosophically-guided reflection. This does not mean that scientific findings aren't just as important to consider when we determine how to measure what, but the way it is, most quantitative studies and especially those that reach the public eye, are really falling apart if examined closely, which, reasonably so, almost nobody does as it is a hassle.

>>10720695
It will never cease to amuse me that the very same people that are sucking memerson's cock for being a psychologist were completely dismissive of the field a couple of years ago, along with viewing humanities academics as ivory tower hermits with no knowledge of the world.

But now, because they found a college professor that feeds their political views, being a psychologist is the greatest honor that can be bestowed on a human, even though psychology is quite light weight compared to other fields.

>>10720544
Behaviourism is good indeed

>>10720750
you can think most of psychology is shit while some of it is good

>>10720750

A lot of his research makes him more of a psychometrician. That area of psychology has always been more respected by right wing types so I don't think your criticism holds much value.

>>10720726
chomskys argumentation is so embarrassingly onedimensional. The debate is shit-tier because we never reach a point in which both connect. Foucault is obviously wondering what he's supposed to do with such an idiot who blabbers on about his definitions of what is right and what not and what he thinks about the big bad state, while foucault analyzes the fucking matrix of power.

I dig chomsky btw. He's informative to read, he's just not on the level of Foucault and not even on the level of Zizek (who, if people read his real theoretical stuff is a genius-maniac)

>>10720761
>right wing types like the area that involves actually measuring things
Now why could that be

>>10720512
So nothing at all?

>>10720741
I miss Carlin. I wonder what he would have had to say about all the shit going on right now.

>>10720748
obscurantist drivel
reads like a bad parody

>>10720770
Autism

>>10720710
Lmao what an utterly fedora-under-self-helf-illusion answer. I'm a statistician and I sometimes analyze medical and social sciences papers from the perspective of statistics used. They're scam. Also agree by my family who are doctors. You're a total retard if you think Peterson quoting statistics is any more valuable than basically someone's opinion, because you can get statistically-significant data backing anything you want in social sciences, even in medicine.

>>10720704
>tfw unironically afraid of trannies.

>>10720777
I'm literally just talking about how quantitative research in psychology is being conducted
>scientific psychological methods are now obscurantist drivel

>>10720770
Probably because they're incels with small dicks.

>>10720700
>he thinks psychologists created antidepressants

>>10720790

If you haven't measured your dick before you are probably retarded just saying

>>10720790
This. How come right wingers always have the smaller dicks? LMAO.

>>10720761
>A lot of his research makes him more of a psychometrician.
The field of psychology already involves quite a lot of psychometrics, specially clinical psychology, peterson is far from unique in that regard. Yet, the whole field of psychology has been trashed for years by right-wing types, including making conspiracy theories about the APA and so on.

>>10720710
You get that science is just another social construct right or you haven't read your Nietzsche yet?

>>10720748
it's perfectly possible to map brain activity and associate it with thoughts, sensations, and feelings

next

>>10720770
So why is that conservatives are a minority in almost every hard science?

>First, there is no unified field of “cultural Marxism”
exactly what a cultural marxist would say

>>10720806
It's also perfectly possible to throw a bunch of sticks on the ground and read the patterns of the cosmos in them so...

>Furthermore, a year or so ago, when I questioned Political Correctness and some aspects of LGBT+ movement (and some other things problematic for today’s “radical Left,” like the predominant stance towards refugees), I was not only submitted to a long series of extremely brutal attacks, but I was also gradually excluded from the public media.

can we get sauce on this? What did he say?

>>10720806
From this association we learn about certain activity or lack of activity under certain circumstances, which you easily and carelessly define as thoughts, sensations, and feelings but which are much more complex and due to the nature of language actually impossible to nail down (language isn't mathematics).

Regarding thoughts i would like to know what a thought actually is. Surely you must know the answer. Please don't say "A thought is that and that brain activity being measured."

>>10720804

>>10720758
So, I take you are well versed in the field and have a serious way of knowing which is bad and which is good?

Who am I kidding, we both know for you "psychology that supports my political views = good, the rest = bad"

>>10720809
>>10720790
>>10720778
But discovery of a correlation between some of these qualities is of no scientific interest and of no social significance, except to racists, sexists and the like. Those who argue that there is a correlation between race and IQ and those who deny this claim are contributing to racism and other disorders, because what they are saying is based on the assumption that the answer to the question makes a difference; it does not, except to racists, sexists and the like."

t. Noam Chomsky

>>10720810
I bet you think posmodernism have a manifesto

>>10720809
Because they’re a minority in the greater university education system

>>10720734
>Meanwhile big daddy neechee that you all worship was the godfather of postmodernist philosophy.
How to spot a pseud. Nietzsche would have nothing to do with post modern philosophy, because its taken a perverse due to exposure to Marxist ideas and its application is totally abhorrent to everything he believed. We're talking about a guy who said the strong needed to be protected from the weak.

>>10720544
Psychoanalysis is the pseudest stuff there is, and was intimately tied to psychiatric practice, it was the go to model back then. Nothing in the least subversive about it. Nothing effective either just a waste of time for everyone.

>>10720846
a perverse turn*

>>10720846
what you're missing is that you think postmodernism is tumblrinas

Nietzsche invented postmodernism, why don't you illiterate fucks get that?

This shit should have Death Grips as opening act. Lets email them.

>>10720846
fucking pedersens have no grasp of literature or history

>yfw the Trump timeline made this happen

>>10720854
>Nietzsche invented postmodernism
they're not seriously saying this in academia these days are they

>>10720865
pro Trump in accelerationist terms but anti Peterson because unwashed is unwashed

>>10720846
God you’re a retard. You even posted almost this exact same post with the same “dude strong protected from weak”. Is that the only Nietzsche you know? And I don’t see what that quote has to do with some grand incompatibility with postmodernism at all. Complete non-sequitir.

>>10720857
kys, /mu/tant scum

>>10720876
It's incompatible with the postmodernists in his head

>>10720870
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wetwETy4u0

fuck fuck fuck fuck you Peterson philistines for your extreme trashy stupidity and lack of understanding

>>10720263
Peterson is a conservative and sort of a meninist. The fact that this right wing views appeal to some people in the alt right doesn't make him alt right.

It's kinda silly to force this dichotomy on Zizek. He's spoken against Peterson, that's sure, but that doesn't make him an advocate of the so called alt left (which, by the way, is a term coined by the alt right).

Fuck Peterson, tho. I'm with Zizzy on this one.

>>10720263
i hope he just brings up brand ad nauseam. in fact, i wish every peterson thread on the board were spammed with brand bullshit. or every peterson mention on the entire internet. post that mongrel douchebag's stupid mug enough and maybe these fucking youtubers will go to /tv/ - because where the fuck else ought a bullshit youtube "intellectual" go?

>>10720876
they're not that different from Rihanna saying what doesn't kill you make you stronger

all of them pretend to have read both Jung and Nietzsche despite never having heard of them until a few months ago

>>10720890
i dont like Peterson at all. It is factually incorrect in every possible way to say that Nietzsche invented postmodernism. It is a completely indefensible statement

>>10720846
Not the guy you responded to, but it's you who has actually exposed himself as the pseud here. First of you hopefully are aware that both Adorno and Foucault, the great grand evils of cultural marxism have been majorly influenced by nietzsche?

Secondly the reason why Nietzsche can be seen, to some degree, but certainly not reduced or pinned down to, is perspectivism and his genealogical approach to morality and value-systems being relative, contigent and so on. Nietzsche's anthropologism was one of constant reformation and adaption, which is very much fundamental to post-modernist philosophy.

You clearly have no grasp of the development of literature nor the history of civilization

>>10720899
>>10720903

>>10720903
I'm stealing this to use in threads I don't like

>>10720846
No shit he wouldn't have liked what people did with his work, Hegel would have hated what Marx did with his work, but you have to decouple tastes from what he actually wrote. If you had actually read his work and not just memes on 4chan you would very easily see the direct connection between Nietzsche and later thinkers, first Sartre (largely through Heidegger) then more directly with Foucault and Derrida. His epistemic framework and analysis of power play very, very heavily into the development of postmodern philosophy, more so than anything Marx wrote.

In fact Foucault turned to Nietzsche after more or less abandoning Marx. Most hardcore Marxists absolutely detest Foucault, especially in his later period.

>>10720870
they've been saying that ever since people started decoupling what Nietzsche actually wrote from what the Nazis thought of him.

>>10720909
Explain to me how Nietzsche can have invented something that didn't even exist for decades after he died

>>10720854
>what you're missing is that you think postmodernism is tumblrinas
That sort of thing is all that post modern thought is now, and all that is is applied for. Suggesting anything else is just intellectually bankrupt at worst and pedantic at best.

>>10720876
It's a non sequitur if you're committed to not understanding it (an ideologue). The fact post modernists claim Nietzsche doesn't mean he'd want to have anything to do with them, their philosophies don't align, regardless of if they borrow from his methods and ideas, that's like saying this guy was the first to do deconstruction so all the people who misuse deconstruction afterwards are all in the same boat. It's absurd and just trying to take credit for a great thinker for a movement that they'd abhor.

>>10720918
>hey've been saying that ever since people started decoupling what Nietzsche actually wrote from what the Nazis thought of him.
and in a century theyll be 'decoupling what Nietzsche actualy wrote from what the Marxists thought of him'

still not a pomo you absolute pleb

>>10720263
He's a real Marxial Artist!

>>10720920
but muh guises
gotta destroy temples to create temples

>>10720920
This implies that postmodernism exists in a clearly defined way. It can be said in the same way that traces and origins of modernism obviously exceed the full bloom of modernism.

Nietzsche, who himself has written, that one of the central aspects of his philosophy is perspectivism (a bad translation from german maybe), is in this regard clearly one of the forefathers.

To say that he inveted it, that he was a post-modernist and such things would be a biased reduction though.

Nonetheless Nietzsche is deeply, very deeply tied to all relevant thinkers of post-modernism and post-modernism could not be thought without Nietzsche.

>>10720920
For someone who pretends to know about these things how come you never heard of the "masters of suspicion." Nietzsche was such a one, and like >>10720900 said >Nietzsche's anthropologism was one of constant reformation and adaption, which is very much fundamental to post-modernist philosophy.

Post-modernism has taken many forms now but a good sketch in your head would be the themes of Kafka, Borges, Baudrillard...

>>10720920
t. never read Zarathustra

>>10720918
>>10720918
>No shit he wouldn't have liked what people did with his work,
That's an understatement. Nazis co-opted his ideas too, but everyone constantly denies that he was a Nazi. Now it's the post modernists turn.
How hard is it to understand they want to apply his ideas in literally the opposite way Nietzsche did. They want to build what Nietzsche describes as the end of humanity itself. And you claim he's the father of their movement?

>>10720765
>Foucault is obviously wondering what he's supposed to do with such an idiot who blabbers on about his definitions of what is right and what not and what he thinks about the big bad state, while foucault analyzes the fucking matrix of power.
Chomsky actually talks about something of significance while Foucault babbles on about nothing. But the amount of human suffering caused by the implementation a field with absolutely no rigor (continental philosophy) because it sounds neat.

>>10720941
Nietzsche invented ideas that are fundamental to many different philosophies

you still haven't explained how he 'invented postmodernism'

>>10720949
you keep insisting that the postmodernists mean the tumblerinas

when in fact "postmodernist" means kafka, borges etc.

>>10720952
The "all these institutions look like prisons" thing had potential at least, just needed someone better to run with it.

>>10720940
Man how trite, why is that I feel I've read this post a thousand times before.

>>10720952
>Chomsky actually talks about something of significance while Foucault babbles on about nothing

Umm panopticism? Schools, cafeterias, hospitals as prison? Self-expression as the ultimate form of confession?

Please,

>>10720952
you think anarchism has "rigor"? kys

>>10720949
You are a superficial Nietzsche-reader, if a nietzsche-reader at all. It may appear that Nietzsche is easy to understand, to digest and to interpret but it is far from true and when you write about what Nietzsche "describes as the end of humanity itself." you narrowing him down, try to make solid what Nietzsche himself has never made solid, has never clear and plainly explained or stated. All of his reflections on mankinds future are drawn with ambivalence and multiplicities.

People here are explaining to you the connection between post-modernism and nietzsche in a relatively civilized way. You could admit to yourself that there is a gap in your knowledge of nietzsche and drop the topic. The connection, however evaluated and judged in it's significance, is definitely there.

>>10720953
I have a sinking feeling you don't know the meaning of "modern" or "classical" either

>>10720954
We're literally in a Peterson thread. Post-modernism's only relevance today is being the driving element for neo-marxism, which is those tumblerinas you describe.

Kafka now. Lmao.

>>10720963
you fuckin dumb bro the guy gave you the clear concise xplanation

>>10720968
we're explaining to you that the connection between Nietzsche and Nazism is just as valid as the one between Nietzsche and post-modernism.

Nietzsche is not reducible to Nazism or post-modernism, but he is clearly related to both despite contradicting both in some ways as well

>>10720975
those tumblerinas are as postmodern as you if that's how you want to use the term you daft person

>>10720972
I know so much more about this than you guys it is actually rather amusing watching you flail around defending the proposition 'nietzsche invented postmodernism'.

>>10720949
postmodern encompasses a large number of modes of thought buddy and Nietzsche is the figure most directly responsible for this Cambrian explosion of different modes of valuation and knowing.

It does not matter that many of the people directly influenced, and intellectually enabled by the holes that Nietzsche opened in modernity, do not agree with what he thought was the correct path forward. Nietzsche was a destructive philosopher, his primary role, one he admitted to and embraced, was as a ploughshare, a hammer. He sought to break things more than make things and he succeeded.

>be Nietzsche
>write philosophy
>some decades later some guys labelled as 'post-modernists' take some of your ideas and build new philosophy upon that
>be Peterson
>muh Nietzsche
>bloody post-modernists
t. Petersonfags are discrete binary brainlets incapable of understanding complex interactions between difficult philosophical concepts they haven't even read. Same as their daddy Jordan B.

This guy doesn't even understand why Kafka is postmodern. This is what we are dealing with, we can't talk to these people. Just hope that Zizek and Peterson enter a debate sometime in future

>all this debate if Nietzsche was a post modernist
>These heralds proclaiming the needs of culture, seen from up close, appear suddenly transformed into eager, even fanatical enemies of true culture--one that holds firm to the aristocratic nature of the spirit. Their fundamental goal is the emancipation of the masses from the rule of the great individuals. What they are working towards is the overthrow of the sacred order in the empire of the intellect: the servitude, the submissive obedience, and instinctive loyalty of the masses to the scepter of genius...But the sacred natural order will never grant it to them: They are born to serve, to obey...Education for the masses cannot be our goal--only the cultivation of the chosen individual, equipped to produce great and lasting works.

>>10720965
Hackneyed metaphors were all he had. I'm perfectly willing to admit that they sound cool.

>>10720978
No-one denies the relation, but again saying he invented post modernism is the same as saying he invented fascism, absurd.

>>10720982
This image was made for you

>>10720978
Nobody has been explaining anything to me so far. Nazism hasn't been mentioned in a response to me until now. Nonetheless i would generally disagree. I get your point but all the elements of nazism were existing independently of nietzsche, a darwinian race theory (one which Nietzsche detested), eugenics, ethnocentrism and so on are unrelated to him.

Meanwhile perspectivism, or nietzsche's anti-enlightment humanism in the spirit of the rennaisance have directly influenced various philosophers, who did not vulgarize, who did not slightly adheer but who integrated and built upon the vast network of nietzschean thought.

I get your point though, and i'm the person who repeatedly claims that he is not reducible to post-modernism and certainly not it's father.

>>10720423
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>>10720993
>>10720995
yall niggas dumb af

>>10720990
>.Education for the masses cannot be our goal--only the cultivation of the chosen individual, equipped to produce great and lasting works.
wtf I hate Nietzsche now

>>10720918
>No shit he wouldn't have liked what people did with his work
So you admit you're wrong. End of discussion.

Lmao, how like a post modernist shit head to write pages upon pages about nothing and obscure the fact they're full of crap.

DOES ANYONE GET THE FEELING

THAT EXPLAINING TO A PETERFAG

IS THE EXACT SAME WALL AS

EXPLAINING TO A FLAT EARTHER???

PLEASE RESPOND

>>10720990
This does not deny anything that has been thrown at you petersonfags. Are you aware of how heavily this could be related to Foucault?

>>10721013
You are the flat earther for the humanities.

You folk are the decline of civilization

>>10721013
Just because you disagree with something doesn't mean you don't agree with it.

DOES ANYONE GET THE FEELING

THAT EXPLAINING TO A PETERFAG

IS THE EXACT SAME WALL AS

EXPLAINING TO A FLAT EARTHER???


PLEASE RESPOND

>>10721013
>So you admit you're wrong
He literally doesn't and gave the example of Hegel-Marx to which nobody responded

>>10721013
>durrrr i have to accept EVERYTHING a writer/philosopher thinks in order to find ANYTHING in his thought elucidating
literally kys

>>10721019
t. last man

In so far as the word "knowledge" has any meaning, the world is knowable; but it is interpretable otherwise, it has no meaning behind it, but countless meanings.—"Perspectivism." It is our needs that interpret the world; our drives and their For and Against. Every drive is a kind of lust to rule; each one has its perspective that it would like to compel all the other drives to accept as a norm.
—Friedrich Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is alt-right dude, you can't relate this guy to foucault at all"

>>10721030
huhuhuhu i read the first book of thus spake zarathustra once and think that i actually understand Nietzsche

fuck off you are literally me from 3 years ago

>>10721039
>fuck off you are literally me from 3 years ago
kek

>>10720983
Nah bro I'm not gonna listen to anything you just said, turn to religion bro

t. Peterson scholar

>>10721028
nice strawman faggot

>>10721039
>>10721044
>samefag
sad thread

>>10721034
And he demanded the use of hard evidence in his interpretation of the world. He says that no perspective is wholly true, not that there are very many good perspectives.

>>10721039
Kek
Good post

DOES ANYONE GET THE FEELING

THAT EXPLAINING TO A PETERFAG

IS THE EXACT SAME WALL AS

EXPLAINING TO A FLAT EARTHER???

PLEASE RESPOND

>>10721059
they're the new Harris/Dawkinsfags

>>10720730
>neo-Marxists don't like him
If you actually read about the history of Marxists, you would know that is not a good indictator of anything

>And he demanded the use of hard evidence in his interpretation of the world
Just admit you have had no exposure to literature

It's not your fault but the admission would lead to your own self-improvement

>>10721059
I do. As an intellectual, I just can’t get through to them. Therefore, I peruse the worls of other great minds like my own.
I like Will Self, for example.

>>10721059
>>10721024
>>10721015
Every post deserves at least one response.

>>10721039
>implying you can bring this level of intellectual decay to a moderately managable level in 3 years
Glad it seems to have worked out for you though.

>>10721034
>he thinks this proves anything
The last men are a consequence of the triumph of a particular will, as you just described. Nietzsche obviously does not approve of such a future. Don't pretend like prescriptive is all encompassing, that validity itself doesn't exist. There's an evolutionary argument here that's worth mentioning but frankly this is a tedious discussion.

>>10721052
Nietzsche demanded many things, hard evidence is one of them. I wouldn't deny that. But in his relativism, in his grand attack against truth and knowledge and most importantly: Truth being an effect of succesful discourse (!! here is where the discourse-philosophy of our time enters the frame) is simply foundational for postmodernism. That's simply how it is. Nietzsche was groundbreaking. I'm again not calling him the person who founded it, or whatever, but his relevance is undeniable.

I haven't seen anybody claiming that Nietzsche would acknowledge the vulgarized outgrows of his theory, but he wouldn't acknowledge any kind of vulgarization, certainly not petersons either.

>>10721067
Redditbabby thinks Nietzsche was a postmodernist

>>10720804
>You get that science is just another social construct right or you haven't read your Nietzsche yet?

>>10721084
he wasn't, he was the godfather of it, he was the one who provided for its existence as a phenomena. he created the intellectual tools that sustained postmodern thought.

he is responsible for postmodernism in the same way that a gunsmith is responsible for a school shooting, which is to say he is responsible for it and we should hate him for it.

THE EARTH IS FLAT

>>10721090
>caveman invents the wheel
>he's the godfather of the holocaust
that is a compelling idea anon very smart

>>10721075
>Nietzsche obviously does not approve of such a future.
You may have heard of Nietzsche's imperative to affirm that what is, amor fati, and while not directly related to the last man, it holds true in this case too. Nietzsche would choose to "look away" confronted with our time, or as at one stage in Zarathustra would escape the future from overhwelming shock, there is no doubt regarding this, but all of this is also tied with a prophetic vision of the übermensch and a new morality which will emerge from the last men. The last men is a neccessity and Nietzsche's imperative is to not just affirm neccessity but to love it. And that is just my vulgar explanation of the complexity that is contained in Nietzsche's reflections on culture and the-culture-to-come.

THE EARTH IS FLAT

t. petercuck

>>10720899
Nietzsche is widely regarded as the precursor of postmodernism and is one of Heidegger's biggest influences.

>>10720349
I agree /pol/ is retarded, but that doesn't mean they accidentally have a point: the neoprogressive culture war of the recent years, race/gender issues being brought up at a rate 5x higher than before, and the "cuck" meme proving itself in real life examples more often

>>10721090
Yea, because postmodernism is so black and white, obvious, and evil that we should hate anyone who had any part in its conception, however big or small, right? Right?... right?
The absolute state of /lit/.

>>10720602
>writing opinions, no consequence
vs
>statistical methods, standards, harsh meritocracy, if you fail you lose your job

>>10721090
Those tools were obvious to most people before this age of imbeciles who need “great thinkers” to do the easy work of babby’s first epistemology for them.
Nietzsche’s philosophy does nothing but make the obvious statement there are phases of truth and accuracy, that the concept of truth is itself subjective as something confined to human perception and resulting largely from utility. If anything, his philosophy makes postmodernism completely untenable. It serves to cast doubt on our principal certainties but doesn’t lend any credence to propositions remote from good concrete evidence

>>10721119
>if you fail you lose your job

lmao

>>10721054
>>10720263
>>10720569
>>10720310
>>10717742
>>10707151
as this "debate" will not be taking place in print media, let me redirect all of you: >>>/tv/

>>10721130
that's for the (you). Fuck off /leftypol/

>>10720263
Zizek vs Peterson. The battle of the century.

>>10721126
these guys are dumb... like, there's no way to talk to them... they're as closed-minded and dumb as the tumblerinas (excuse me postmodernist) they fixate about

>>10721150
UR ARE LIKE U’R ENIMY

>>10721155
you are a virgin yes

>>10720423
Jordan Peterson doesn't live in New York

Why do we need *sniff* Zizek when fucking Roseanne - that's right, Roseanne fucking Barr - beat the fuck out of memerson aeroplane ?
Fucking embarassing

>>10721167
Do you know how close Toronto is to New York?

>>10720423

>>10721167
you are stupid

>>10721095

>>10721161
>this level of cope
Lmao

>>10721095
Yeah there's no way causation is a spectrum comprised of degrees of separation
Very funny and cunning post, anon haha

>>10721192
at least be true to yourself

>>10720776
To be fair he's quite prescient in his later work.

>>10721095
>caveman invents the wheel
>he's the godfather of the holocaust
unironically this

>caveman invents the wheel
>he's the godfather of the holocaust
I'm smart pedersone guy

>>10721213
kaczynski was right

>>10721145
Battle of the bad bitchez. Hyped!

>>10721206
you would never have the post modernists without the wheel anon

>>10720940
>Nonetheless Nietzsche is deeply, very deeply tied to all relevant thinkers of post-modernism and post-modernism could not be thought without Nietzsche.
[=

>>10721095
BTFO
T
F
O

>>10721234
literally as dumb as a tumblerina

>>10721263
>this post is stupid
>it mirrors a post you made
ANOTHER POLEMIC VICTORY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=103&v=2ZUCemb2plE

Zizek acknowledges to have said he would have voted for Trump, but as an ironic statement. lol?

>>10721472
>people constantly cite Zizek's support of trump as some affiliation of right wing allegiance
>he literally said it because he believes Trump in the white house would escalate social decay and incite a political awakening in response

>>10721489
Nick Land is an actual fascist now though

>>10721501
imagine being this unaware of what is contained in both the Doctrine of Fascism and the writing of Nick Land that you could seriously believe such a thing

>>10720263
This article shows how these two are just spokesmen who shape and direct what their groups of followers take as acceptable discourse. Peterson complains PC and trans are a threat to traditional western values, and Zizek counters with modern modes of oppression are sophisticated + empathy. It's like listening to two retards argue in a checkout line, a campus, or a rally of some kind, but these two have better vocabularies and more stores of knowledge to pull from.

They know what people want to hear, think, then repeat to others. Then they give it to them. Internet intellectuals are this generations network news personalities and pundit authors. I doubt the crisis these two attempt to diagnosis with all their hot air centers around PC culture per se and not how the discussion about PC culture is drowning out other more imperative issues that demand immediate attention and action. They are smart. They know the game. And they know how to etch their names into the future.

>>10721489
Zizek is overly optimistic, I agree that social decay will increase, but will it trigger a political awakening? I don't think so.

>>10721489
>if you let your enemy win, you win
dude, come on.

>>10721501
Based on what? I remember reading a pretty convincing critique of his that Fascism has been normalized after WW2, it was antagonistic iirc.

>>10721520
>but will it trigger a political awakening? I don't think so.
the political awakening already happened, its called Trumps election.

>>10721540
Hillary is the enemy also though, it's just that she's "innocuous" for lack of a better word.

>>10721547
thats cowardice. say outright you like Trump, not this whos worse bullshit. the vote says who you like, not who you dislike. theres no dislike voting system.

>>10721559
>e. theres no dislike voting system.
assassination

>>10721519
Peterson never attempted fame at all though. It literally fell into his lap and his beliefs were all pre-established.

>>10721562
all magnicides are done by other great powers. not a single time has it been done by a citizen.

>>10721569
>magnicides
neat term anon

And I can't think of an example but surely that can't be true. What about that American president in the 60s

>>10721589
that was the mafia.

people dont riot spontaneously. organizations riot, people just get enticed. all social movements are co-opted, since the beggining of time.

>>10721594
>people dont riot spontaneously
I one caused a major disturbance by walking naked through a girl's college so you may want to rethink your views.

Also the mafia literally what?

>>10721111
Have you considered the possibility that /pol/ is not retarded and that you're just too stupid to understand their positions on the roots and intentions of Cultural Marxism? Nice quads btw.

>>10721519
>trans are a threat to traditional western values
Not something he has ever once said or even hinted at

>>10720734
Postmodernism is simply the redrawing of the lines after Jewry failed to cement their supremacy in Eastern Europe with the rise of authoritarians like Stalin. The aim of postmodernism and critical theory is to undermine the structure of authority, so that they could weasel their way back into power and do it relatively unnoticed.

>>10720779
>hehe im a doctor statistics is a scam also ask my family who are also doctors
my fucking sides

>>10721540
More like you have already lost, but now you can choose whether to go out with style

>>10720333

Peterson seems to be animated by a genuine hatred. In more than a few of his classroom videos on youtube you can hear him seething. He gets particularly mad when he's calling out teenage girls, loves to call them stupid or mentally ill for not wanting to have babies. Maybe he's right but you can tell he isn't a huge fan of young women and isn't thinking logically about it.

>>10721770
his day job is a psychologist which is to say he tries to help people get their shit together not win arguments with post-modern pedants

>>10721770
>you can tell he isn't a huge fan of young women
His first reaction to those mgtow fags was to call them pathetic losers who need to grow up. Try to foster a semblance of objectivity within yourself u fag

>>10721770
l m a o

/lit/ made me think that hating Peterson was the smart thing to do for a long time but I'm starting to see just how thin many of the arguments against him are

>>10721779
same. he's a bit of pseud when it comes to post-structuralist shit, but as far as his life advice, it's all solid shit and nothing different from what a shrink would charge you 100 bucks an hour to tell u

>>10721770
>Maybe he's right but you can tell he isn't a huge fan of young women and isn't thinking logically about it.
It seems like a pretty logical conclusion to me.

>>10720730
Are you functionally retarded?

>>10721784
He's getting better at talking about postmodernism but he still has a ways to go and will most likely need to acknowledge his mistakes at some point. I totally agree with you though. I've got bipolar II which is notoriously hard to treat without medication and following some of his advice and framing the issues like he does has genuinely helped me learn to cope with the lows for the most part

JORDAN PETERSON HAS BEEN UNSHACKLING THE WORLD ONE STITCH AT A TIME AND SINCE HE'S BLOWN UP LIKE A BOMB HERE HE IS THE PROFESSOR WE'VE ALL BEEN HEARING ABOUT "intelligence isn't equivocal to political belief" O_O WHOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>10720677
>Baw God, is that Sam Harris's music??? Where did he come from??

>>10721809
What did he say that helped you?

>>10721917
Forcing myself to eat a high-fat, high-protein breakfast every morning even though I'm never hungry, waking up at a regular hour, reading more classics, pushing myself to show up and do my best in class, standing up straighter, all of it together has really had an effect. And imagining yourself in mythological imagery while facing challenges is surprisingly useful, as lame as it sounds

>>10720918
Nietzsche was a naturalist, who had a psychological theory that all knowledge was acquired by humans in an attempt to gain power. That doesn't mean that there are no standards for knowledge or that knowledge is an expression of power and has no basis beyond that. In fact he prided himself in confronting the bare and ugly truth of reality, while others were afraid to do so. Of course he had a different vision when it came to non-empirical matters such as morality, in which the individual simply can't rely on knowledge or metaphysics and has to apply his creative power to generate a new "good" and a new "evil"

As it stands, the epistemic travesty of post modernists has nothing to do with Nietzsche's psychological theory of how and why one decides to understand the world.

>>10720423
>peterson will still be relevant in october

>>10720510
Zizek’s piece wasn’t about Peterson, it was about liberals and the left. He was seeking to explain to people who read the guardian why Peterson was popular, and he basically said that Peterson is criticizing a real pathology on among liberals which is stalling progress on the left, and also making intellectual heroes of people like Peterson.

He just says there is a reason that people like Peterson and it’s our fault, do better.

>>10721959
more relevant than zizek surely

>>10721959
Ohohoho buddy

I will put up money to make sure this happens.

>>10721472
>>10721489

No, it’s not about the social decay, he’s not an accelerationist per se. He’s making a psychoanalytic statement about what people see as the realm of ‘the possible’ and how a Trump victory would be a rupture of some mental field. Basically if you are a liberal before Trump you believed in a basically rational world, where candidate which is just miniumally responsible would have to win, and if one didn’t *something* would happen which would prevent that from coming to pass.

The trump victory caused an erupture of the real in the imaginary, shattering the possible world’s liberals understood as thinkable. This is of course why many democrats need the election to be illegimate, it’s the only way for it to make sense. It’s also why whenever Trump successfully reads a tele prompter the media is quick to heap praise, it’s settles that dissonances in the gapping wound in their minds and let’s them briefly pretend that there really is a steady hand at the wheel and everything is actually already.

That ‘rupture’ opens the possibility for a new range of what it ‘thinkable’ for the left, and to Zizek that is really the key. The problem is the Capitalist Realism, that what is reasonable is tightly restricted to the neoliberal policy agenda, and trump breaks that realism.

>>10720263
>If I were to engage in paranoiac speculations, I would be much more inclined to say that the Politically Correct obsessive regulations (like the obligatory naming of different sexual identities, with legal measures taken if one violates them) are rather a Left-liberal plot to destroy any actual radical Left movement. Suffice it to recall the animosity against Bernie Sanders among some LGBT+ and feminist circles, whose members have no problems with big corporate bosses supporting them.

He's right tho

>>10721965
And the portion of it that mentions peterson was libelous u fat faget

>>10720333
Communism is good that's why

I was excited until I realised that October is 8 months away.

>>10720263
>the philosophical salon DOT COM
jesus take the wheel.

i officially do not care about this dumb slapfight, and dub le sniff man a mental deficient.

christ he can't even spell Peterson correctly.

what the fuck. how is this fatso taken seriously by anyone.

>>10722065
holy shit we have reached peak peterson

>>10720688
It literally doesn't get more Western than Marxism. It's the West without being filtered through oriental mysticism.

>>10720710
>He constantly cites studies and statistics in his videos.
how is it possible to be this dumb

>>10722023
Zizek needs time to prepare some actual arguments heh

>>10722065
Petersen *sniff* iz, how you say *sniff* zi son of Peter, yes?

>>10720504
According to any leftist I’ve ever meet, yes

>>10722012
Zizi wins the debate with this, preemptively.

>>10720333
Peterson sometimes comes off as unstable. It's as if his maxims are mostly directed at himself rather than his public.

>>10721676
>Jewry

Wish mods still existed to send you back

>>10722088
Unfortunately I have to second this. It's become especially bad in the US.

>>10722094
He's a bit hysterical sometimes. But to be honest, sometimes Zizek scares me with his crypto-Stalinism and his ambiguous attitudes towards violence.

>>10722094
>sometimes

>>10722088
>>10722105

>we're still confusing Left and Liberal

>>10722084
I'm reading this in his voice and laughing, thanks man

ZIZEK
FEARS
PETERSON

>>10722107
Where do you live? In the US, the "left" faction calls itself "liberals". It can be confusing, to be sure.

>>10722105
>Zizek scares me with his crypto-Stalinism and his ambiguous attitudes towards violence
Stalinism is an obvious joke. Gulags are also a joke. Learn what jokes are.

Violence is alright for politics. There can be no real change without it.

>>10722120
Oooh, with Zizi, it is sometimes not so obvious.
Violence can be useful, I suppose, with the right kind of control. But I think usually it is not.

>>10722115
progressive liberals, thanks

we're progressives. means we want rights for everybody, including non-citizens, because gimme them sweet sweet votes.

>>10721775
the fact that he doesn't like the complete loserdom that is mgtow doesn't make the "isn't a huge fan of women" comment untrue, there are gradations
and considering his recent retarded claims about lipstick and high heels, he obviously does have his problems with women

Zizek is a complete hack.
Yeah, he's funny with his Slav jokes and two hot-dogs, but it only takes something simple as this to understand how out of touch this fatso is.

>you see *sniff* petersen's ideas *sniff* have a small overlap *sniff* with ze alt-right etc.
>oh you see *sniff* conspiracies heh *sniff* he iz clearly crazy *sniff* buy my book plish

I bet he lives off the pennies he gets from writing these opinion pieces on """political""" events.

>>10722115
We're looking at it from a global perspective. Economically, your "right" and "left" are both right wing. The only difference is if they're liberal or conservative, which seems to be the only thing that is taken into consideration by Americans, when looking at what is right and what is left wing.

>>10722126
Violence overthrows tyrannical governments. Violence gives you rights. Hell, America was created by violence against the crown. France used violence to get rid of a moron. Today it's been domesticated and we think protests are extreme while they're mostly social gatherings which create no change whatsoever. If you want real change, real violence is needed.

>>10722142
In this case it is true, no American can conceive of an alternative to plutocracy/tacit rule by the investor+military-intelligence class. So I guess we are stuck with capitalism, but we get to argue about dumb social issues to our hearts content. We are never content.

>>10722135
He's a /bit/ of hack, but I do love his jokebook.

>>10722131
Well, you have to admit, lipstick and high heels are pretty silly things. I immediately respect a person less when I see them.

>>10722127
Do you honestly think that making no distinction between citizens and noncitizens is good strategy from a social-engineering perspective? Seems like a disaster, desu.

>>10722162
of course it is a terrible idea, but politicians are short-sighted and greedy so it fits perfectly.

DOES ANYONE GET THE FEELING

THAT EXPLAINING TO A PETERFAG

IS THE EXACT SAME WALL AS

EXPLAINING TO A FLAT EARTHER??

PLEASE RESPOND?

>>10722115
In the US: stop being a dip-shit, you're embarrassing us.

>>10722172
tru

>>10722172
lol you're mom gay

>>10722172
rupi kaur hates peterson too?

>>10722160
Let me just add that Zizek thinks that Ghandi is more violent than Hitler. It sounds silly at first because we think violence is something that has to do with physical injury. The only point is that it hurts the authority. Ghandi brought change in a more radical way and was therefore more violent towards the authority. This is mostly Zizeks position on violence.

>>10721935
>Needing people to tell you to do this
I don't see how him helping you with your shit life means he is right about anything else

>>10722162
>Well, you have to admit, lipstick and high heels are pretty silly things. I immediately respect a person less when I see them.
the question is always - what exactly are we talking about? stripper heels, moderately high, something in between? aggresively red rouge, caked on makeup, or the regular everyday "background" foundation whatever. that's why he's a retard, he just plops the words "high heels" and "makeup" into conversation and doesn't even recognize that there's a number of options there that don't make you look like jessica rabbit. and then the question is how many women even do get jessica-rabbited at work and where they work etc. and even then, even when you get all that data and build an interpretation out of it, you still are left with the same thought that a normal person had at the very beginning - it's still not right to sexually harass women even if they're wearing lipstick and high heels.
actually I take it back, he's not a retard, he knows all of this and is still victim-blaming, that's worse.

>>10722193
LOL

>>10722165
Well, I'm sure we'll all bear the brunt if this particular experiment.

>>10722173
That's rude!

>>10722194
I'm aware that his Ghandi comment was metaphorical, I was referring to his booklet "Six Sideways Reflections". It is a bit sinister in places. Maybe I am just projecting, though.

>>10722199
I'd really appreciate it if you could point out what he's got so wrong so I can take it into account in my feelings about him

>>10722172
Kind of. The weird thing is that Peterson advises people to stop being "puppets" and to gain some sort of individuality, while his fans support him at times when there's no good reason to do so (e.g. the Benatar debate).

This thread is sinking. Someone make a new one.

>>10722200
I think it's quite trivial that it's never appropriate to harass folks, especially sexually harass them. That being said, lipstick and high heels are simply unattractive, no matter the situation.

>>10722172
SAYS LE SNIFF FAG

>>10722207
Well yeah, it has to be sinister to bring change. Now look up what "sinistra" means in Italian.

>>10722217
like I said, it depends on the option, I'm sure the women you think aren't wearing lipstick and high heels have at least some sort of makeup and raised heels

>>10722211
>>10722211
Post modernism. We have spent threads talking about this, where have you been?

I personally found his usage of Jungian psychoanaylsis to be the complete opposite of what Jung intended/did to the point of abuse

>>10720554
>It's only a conspiracy if you're conscious of the act.

i love how petersonfags always make up definitions in order to fit their arguments

>>10722406
Jesus, has the bait really gotten this lazy around here?

>>10720508
Alles

>>10720688
Marxism is Hegelianism is the final path of the entire west.

>>10720263
>It is actually valid to locate JP within the alt-right
>Liberalism is a plot to destroy leftism
>Shitlibs use political correctness to dodge issues in terms of dialectical materialism
>SJWs are not the real radical leftists, we [marxists] are

Zizek a hack

>>10722518

>Marxism is Hegelianism

Marxism is (botched) Hegelianism. The failure of Dialectical materialism among other things has lead to types like Zizek reexamining Hegel.

>>10722627
Please read carefully: ''If I were to engage in paranoiac speculations...''- Zizek.

>>10722638

>It is actually valid to locate JP within the alt-right
>Feminism happened because of Liberalism
>Shitlibs use political correctness to dodge issues in terms of dialectical materialism
>SJWs are not the real radical leftists, we [marxists] are

Zizek a hack

fix'd

>>10722648

>It is actually valid to locate JP within the alt-right

Its accurate to put him somewhere in there, judging by the crowd to which he appeals, in some sense.

As Zizek puts it in the article that spawned this response:
''...who has become beloved of the alt-right,''

>Feminism happened because of Liberalism

''The way racist and sexist oppression works in a developed liberal society is much more refined ''

This is the closest thing he says. That I could find.

>Shitlibs use political correctness to dodge issues in terms of dialectical materialism

Again:
''If I were to engage in paranoiac speculations''

But even with that, he is right that these things are merely an ideological spectacle.

>SJWs are not the real radical leftists, we [marxists] are

Where does he state this?

>>10720285
I like you
I like you if you did it to troll
I like you if you did it shock
I like you for the thumbnail picture, coming from an image board, representing am man who honestly says 'sex addiction' is a thing
I like you for putting in my mind a few audio snippets of Brand asking them both about masturbating, pill popping, overeating and of course the business of selling carpets that clean up your cum {even if you fiddled your diddle to kiddie porn, and the moral implications for the cum-sweeping fibers}.

>>10722406
That's literally the definition of the verb 'conspire'
Get off /lit/ anon

kek

>>10720263
clean your bloody room, you coke snorting zizi bucko!