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Why do people do good things when no one's watching?

>>10714245
believing in god doesn't make you a "owner" of these traits either, this logic is flawed

>>10714254
the logic is flawed if you think in that fallacious way, assuming that all people who say they believe in God practice good ethics

>>10714245
moral relativism doesnt mean lack of morals. its just a philosophical version of build-a-bear

>>10714263
well I've never assumed anything so I'm safe

You can achievee an ideal of good based on concepts of reciprocity and collective well being without ever basing ethics on God. You should nonetheless define “God” for the purpose of clarity.

>>10714248
So they could tell people about it later

>>10714290
but no one says anything to anyone if they find someones wallet or watch and bring it to lost and found, majority of people are just not criminals so society can agree that returning the wallet is the only acceptable ethical action

How does God have morals or ethics?

>doing something for a reward/fear of punishment
>morality
Pick one

>>10714248
they dont

>>10714296
le historicism face xddd

>>10714341
Because he is like us.

Next.

daily reminder aquinas answered every pathetic atheist response in this thread in the Summa Theologica

>>10714269
you have to first go to the build-a-bear store before you can build a bear

The abrehamic God is a criminal, I don't see why you'd base your morals on him. Terrible choice, isn't it?

>>10714368
So, we, having God be like us, have morals and ethics?
And so, the answer to: "How can one have morals if he does not believe in God, ethics, or judgement for his actions?", is, "Cause we are."

>>10714373
Daily reminder Aquinas conveniently borrowed all his arguments from polytheists.

>>10714245
Morality stems from humans, not from God, and it isn't some abstract ahistorical set of laws, it's already present and always present in us.

>>10714388
Aristotle would've been a Christian if he wasn't born before Jesus

Aristotle is a saint

>>10714396
stop using words incorrectly

>>10714290

Who even does that?

>>10714361

Yes, most people do. As a matter of fact, we have a very specific psychological diagnosis for people who are incapable of doing good for its own sake. They are called psycho- and sociopaths. To get a diagnosis, you have to be outside of the norm. More people do good because of the internal voice than people who ignore or have no internal conscience.

>>10714387
Rather God having us be like him. Nice little mental gymnastic you did, there.

Let's see what else, the answer to that last question is "Because we were created by him"

>>10714406
stop using speech incorrectly.

>>10714410
But how does God have morals, ethics, or judgement for his actions?

>>10714408
Why should you care about what your conscience says if it's just evolutionary ape-brain programming holding back your big-brained redditor rationalism?

>>10714418
His will is perfect

>>10714447
But "will" comes after morals ethics and judgement.

>>10714438
>this post

>>10714296
Socially blind. People absolutely talk about the events of their day to the people they know, no matter how mundane. Finding a wallet however is not really mundane, it's actually a novel surprise. Therefore people would return it for the event that it comes up in conversation and they have to look like a good person, whether the act of return was disingenuous or sincere, and if they don't return it then they'll go to whatever length to keep the story from coming to surface to avoid being chastised by their social circle, barring that their social circle is also amoral or teenagers: in which case it would actually be bragging rights.

>>10714470
upvoted

>>10714438
>Why should you care about what your conscience says if it's just evolutionary ape-brain programming holding back your big-brained redditor rationalism?
>why should
no reason
But you can try fighting your guilt, shame, conscience etc. We can talk about overcoming human nature, only psychos can. Yet, even they, instead fall into even lower states of nature.

>>10714476
That's incorrect, sweetie.

*sigh*

it's another episode of dumb dumb atheists trying to derive ought from is. . .

>>10714245
Read dostoevsky.
Karamazov brothers, and then, demons.

>>10714512
>It's another episode of dumb christfaggots don't understand that morality is not an a set of laws on a piece of paper but the expression of the collective zeitgeist understood historically
>>10714479
>talks in r*ddit lingo
>tells other to fuck off back to r*ddit

>>10714540
Please explain in more detail

>>10714245
>how can one have morals if he does not believe in ethics
...excuse me?

>>10714377
So its more like a build-a-bear in an abandoned mall where there are still some relics. Workable but not ideal.

>>10714287
>Good
Isn't that just defining good by whatever the majority say it is?
That's like saying it's good to kill everyone over 60 because it will have a collective well being.

>>10714341
God makes the universe with a natural end that he has designed (at least according to Christian theology), hence following the rules that God has given helps to achieve the natural end.
Morals are the rules God has given that lead you to that natural end.

>>10714600
Couldn’t the same be achieved through divine commandement?

>>10714388
His biggest influence was Aristotle who was a monotheist.

>>10714619
That's all wrong since God as a creator deity doesn't exist. ;)

>>10714628
What could exactly?

>>10714418
if this were true than there would be no evil. relying on moral impulses we have no control over alone is a recipe for disaster, especially if you're dealing with people in the out-group.

>>10714649
A disproportioned and unjust rule of killing anyone who fits a certain condition. It happened during the Inquisition. I don’t see how basing one’s ethics on God provides more or less cohesion or reason to principles against a purely secular background.

>>10714663
>It happened during the inquisition.
I'm not seeing where it was commanded by God, but by people.
>Basing it on secular principles
God is unchanging according to most definitions
therefore morality would be unchanging. Can we say the same thing about humanity?

>>10714361
ok, paranoid bitch

>>10714459
Or rather morals ethics and judgment itself proceeds with God's will.

Perhaps God is unity, which is why all of these things are one and emanate from one source?

>>10714245
Fear, insecurity and weakness.

>>10714245
Start with the Sophists

>>10714248
So they can feel good about themselves. Or because they're scared something bad might happen otherwise.

>>10714397
It's a pity that he is not allowed to get into heaven because he never knew Christ.

>>10714248
Some people are capable of believing in something greater than themselves.

>>10714245
This >>10714800

Morals are imitation virtues sold to the weak to comfort their lack of any genuine virtue. The strong person doesn't kill, or steal, or whatever, neither because anyone tells him not to, nor because he thinks it is "morally wrong," nor because he feels "guilt," nor any nonsense like that, but because he does not will to — or maybe he does fancy to in some occasions.

>>10714804
Cynical faggot. Some people have just veen hurt badly enough to want to spare other people from pain.

>>10714829
Most can't. Those who can, belief in God ensures a stronger dedication to doing good

>>10716095
>belief in God ensures a stronger dedication to doing good

this but ironically

>>10714918
lol no, he doesn't because its a waste of time and the weak are pitiful (grotesque but lamentable). Cruelty is done in proportion to its necessity and nothing else. His nature necessitates regular almost gratuitous cruelty but never errs into tyrannical psychopathy. Nietzsche did not advocate sadism at all.

>>10714696
Obviously it wasn't commanded by god, given that there is no god.

>>10716306
Great rebuttal my friend. Have some good and some upvotes.

>>10716095
Religion keeps the morally worthless in check

>>10714248
>>10714245
INNER DAEMON
D A E M O N

read THE APOLOGY

>>10714629
deism =/= theism

why would it have been the christian god lmfao

>>10714558
Read Hegel and Fichte.

>>10716874
I didn't say that anon, I just said he believed in one God.
Someone else said he would have been a Christian.