/lit/ - Literature

Centrism isn't bad. Most people on here are centrists.

More right wing with regards to rejecting relativism as a standard for the arts, culture and philosophy. Strangely enough my political views haven't changed however since I take a very practical approach and believe in the end of history. The only philosopher that has influenced me to the left, however, has been Zizek in that we will need a strong state to deal with certain problems that if left to the free market will eventually decimate the world.

>>10710680
It hasn't made me more right wing, but I've gained a better understanding of conservative ideologies. I still think they're deeply flawed. If anything, reading has made me more apolitical. I find it difficult to get to a point where I feel like I can offer a positive prescription for how the world should be, there is so much going on that we're unaware of.

>>10710680
Morally more right-wing, everything else more left-wing. Also more authoritarian generally. The West is in a state of decadence and it needs to be culled and purified.

>>10710680
Participating in the meaningless dichotomy of Western politics is an affront to reasonable discourse.

>>10710680
It's made me more left wing, especially reading articles and Marxist critiques. I'm not a Marxist, but now I see the significant drawbacks of capitalism and certainly grew out of my edgy ancap contrarian phase.
I'm still in a formative period politically speaking, though. Someone convince me that anarcho-primitivism leads to a stable utopia and that anarcho-syndicalism is nothing more than a commie's wet dream.

>>10710680
>Why is centrism bad?
It's not, it just attracts people like you so it gets a bad rep

>>10710680
It's made me more apolitical than anything. Politics is literally about everything I don't care about, which is the petty issues of little people and how to handle them.

More and more I find myself convinced that we are living in Kali Yuga, that humanity has been in a period of decline since the deluge and that technology is only accelerating it towards an impending padagram shifting cataclysm. Society is becoming more and more Satanic, and that this is caused by a mixture of capitalism and democracy. I feel completely unable to relate to the people around me, and have bouts of mania where I spend hours ranting loudly to myself, crying, and trying to drink/smoke myself to incompacitation. I no longer believe in laws as anything but a method of oppression by weak people too cowardly to enforce their own rules, and unless I make a constant focused effort to pray regularly I find myself sliding into an intolerable state of anxiety and depression. I hate the United States of America, and I think Iran is completely right in its criticisms of it as demonic. I’ve stopped believing most rich people are capable of having genuine friendship, or that romantic love is possible in the modern world. I’m working through my studies now, but I find the atmosphere of “hook up culture”, pampered fragile children, insane feminists/white guilt types, and smug moral relativism intolerable, so i mostly keep to myself in the basement of the library. As soon as I graduate I plan to move somewhere where I can see the northern lights and spend months without having to engage in human contact, so that i can fast and pray and study until I’ve purged myself of all the miserable poison of low modernity.

Tl;dr, stick to TV and Pewdiepie, kids.

>>10710729
>Politics is literally about everything I don't care about, which is the petty issues of little people and how to handle them.

>>10710680
reading buffers me from moving too far left or right

>>10710743
Please do it and spare me your inanity.

>>10710680
it's made me more left wing economically and socially but it's made me less tolerant of a lot of contemporary art and literature.

overall it drove me to centrist anarchism

Neither. My bitterness, self-hatred, and dissatisfaction with mt surroundings has pushed me towards the right and communism.

>>10710755
In all seriousness, you'll hit a philosophical dead end if you hold onto the notion that nothing is of concern compared to the massive scale of the cosmos. The insignificance of humanity on the universal scale says nothing about its importance to yourself, or to each of us. We are all part of an intricate system, dear friend. The fact that we all come from dust should not invalidate us, rather it should give us a deeper understanding of the oneness of nature.
I know you're busy being edgy, but I hope this sticks with you, anon. I'm by no means an expert on anything, but there's one perspective on life, at least.

You just know I had to do it to em

>>10710760
I'm struggling in the same spot as you. I know the state must someday be abolished, but I can't decide 1. how that abolition should be brought about, and 2. if a utopia must necessarily be free from the idea of ownership.
Is capitalism necessarily evil, or have we corrupted it? Or has it corrupted us, and once we achieve communal harmony, we may participate in voluntary exchanges of commodities? And, most important, is a truly stateless, classless, non-capitalist society possible? How do you enforce communalism without a state? I imagine these thoughts keep you up at night as well.

>>10710775
The political isn't cosmic. It's not even the social. I'm very concerned with the cosmic and even the social.

The social is the cosmic concentrated on humanity and the political is the social concentrated on the stupid and useless. "How do we prevent all these retards from causing a social collapse?" is the primary question of politics. And it's basically as boring as it sounds. Necessary to some degree but still very boring.

>>10710680
Neither, I'm not a brainlet who lets authors from other times sway his political opinion. (Much less the contemporary political authors who are practically braindead.)

The Greeks educated me in rhetoric, dialectic, and aesthetics. No one involved in current politics can even be compared to them.

/thread

You just know I had to do it to em

>>10710792
Politics is the arrangement of human society. In your view, how should society be structured? Even if you respond "not at all," that still warrants an explanation.

>>10710777
>>10710796
based

>>10710785
Utopias are impossible. And some form of capitalism (free interchange) is necessary for "truly free" society.

>>10710737
Ted?

It's made me more respecting of rights and privileges that should be afforded to a nation's citizenry, and I don't mean that as right or left.

However, reading did make me aware of cultural marxism, which I laughed off for a long time until I began seeing pre-existing stories or narrative works being twisted to fit the sympathies of a political agenda.
Reading intersectional Andrea Dworkin gender studies bullshit didn't help.

But at the same time, I'm not rightwing. I disavow any political affiliations, shit's just too loaded. If you sign up with either side you have to drink ALL of their kool aid.

>>10710680
It has made me more apolitical and cynical of the worls more than anything. More often than ever I see myself agreeing with ideas that I would have never thought as appealing, although I think that part of that is because I browse 4chan.

Reading has not made me more political in any way because I'm not going to ler no fucking spooks to get in my way of enlightment.

>>10710799
>Politics is the arrangement of human society.
In order to prevent the lower rungs of it from swallowing the whole. That's what 99% of political discussion is about, at least.

>In your view, how should society be structured?
The politicians should seek to do exactly what I am saying. Society must be structured so that there can be individuals who don't need to pay attention to the lower rungs and their issues, politics in general. It gets in the way of higher matters.

>>10710696
You know how Robespierre ended up, right?

>>10710680
I went from an atheist ancap to a Catholic distributist traditionalist.

The usual: more open to opposing views but with less inherent leaning.
I find that reading about politics has turned me from the kind of person who wants to debate just to btfo a punk with my strawman army into the kind that thinks hard about a concept for days before hoping someone will prove me wrong so I can learn more

>>10710837
Yus :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azKNngXBICs

>>10710686
There's no such thing as a centrist. A centrist is right-wing as anyone right to the consolidated leftist tenets is. Right is defined in relation to left.

>>10710680
It's made me more open to having a strong state to cope with things, rather than leaving it up to the free market. It hasn't changed my fundamental beliefs socially, that everyone should have the same opportunities, rights and responsibilities, but it has made me understand more conservative ideologies more deeply.

Now.

>>10710927
Before.

It made me realize that the left/right dichotomy is stupid and meaningless, and that people who use the term generally know little about politics.

>>10710680
I sound like a faggot whenever I try to talk about myself on 4chan, be warned.

The more I read, the less the left-right dichotomy retains its hold over me - in many situations it can certainly be a useful metric, but it's really bloated. The hold it has over people's minds is disproportionate to how well it lets them apprehend reality. One of the worst spooks of our time. Locks you into some shitty primitive team sports idea of the world and the people in it. The more local it is, the more useful; but the more you try to expand your scope, the more fuzzy and incoherent the definitions of left and right become.

I was going to say I've become more morally conservative, but that's not really true. In fact I'm probably liberal, in what I'll entertain and enjoy and not be repulsed by, far beyond the acceptable bounds of liberalism, let alone conservatism. I'd then try and say I've become less of a moralist, but that's not completely true either. I've allowed myself to become more sensitive to human (and non-human) suffering, and to strange and alien experiences and ideas.
Probably the thing that makes me consider myself more of a "moral conservative" is my relative openness to illiberal ideas: a negative view of the sexual revolution, discomfort with abortion, decreasing value of human and animal life, materialism and so on. I loathe the mindset that makes people read Schopenhauer, see his criticism of press freedom and go "UGH!!" It's natural to disagree, but to treat any idea as heresy that needs to be immediately regurgitated is utterly banal.
I have criticisms of Catholic metaphysics, doctrine, and institution, even a veritable anti-Christianity, but no deep-seated repugnance for the existence of the Church or its participation in the world. I value it, but not in just a "muh useful relijun.." utilitarian way. I think a "return to religion" at this point is a false consolation. Seed sewn on bad soil. Perhaps that's just a historical determinist delusion on my part though, perhaps, from the detached view of the sociologist, society really can "regress" back into an age of unself-conscious mysticism. But ultimately the problem is assuming that such a thing would be an improvement anyway. Since you were born either into the post-death of God world or before it, it's impossible for any of us to compare the merits of the two with the power of lived experience.

The illiberalism of the liberated mind. Is it simply a failure to see properly that makes us think the "spiritual aristocrat", for all his brutal criticism of the status quo, of the old moralities and dogmas, seems outwardly reactionary? When I look at intellectual discourse, whatever their political orientation, it seems like liberal minds dissatisfied with political liberalism. A thirst for non-Whig liberation.

My view of the world is morally skeptical and more or less sympathetic to 'postmodernism'. Maybe mine is a pessimistic, rather than an idealistic, conservatism.

>>10710951
>>10710976
>I'm so smart I realised the left right scale is a broad generalisation and nuances exist
Ask me how I know you're american

>>10710986
Aussie actually. The OP topic specifically mentions it. Shithead cunt.

>>10710992
oh okay sorry

>>10710986
I'm not American

>>10710974

>>10710680
>red-pilled on psychology (mainly from Freud)
This better be bait.

what even is left and right?

I don't really know what unironic human extinction falls under

I was a typical "socialist" soyboy liberal atheist when I was a teenager. Now I'm a conservative traditionalist constitutional monarchist Christian. Not American by the way. I fully support the constitution and the Emperor of my country.

>>10710686
This place is bad.

>>10711557
it doesn't

>>10711578
>constitutional
>traditionalist
These do not go together you soyboy memer

Centre right neoliberal.

>>10710680
it helped me to see the truth, my opinions changed radically and it definitely brought me to right wing with some exceptions, there are still many many question marks that I'm trying to figure out but... I try to be cautious of what I read and what I believe, because not everything we learn today means truth, therefore, if you want to know the truth you must study some events from multiple sides, not just one. Remember that history is always written by victors and that doesn't mean it's always true and I'm not talking only about ww2 and ww1, even today we have this problem, the force of propaganda is so storng that most people will fail to discover the real truth.

>>10710737
Are you me? It gets better after uni. That place is Hell's embassy. Stop drinking and smoking. Get out of the West if you can. Canada is not a good move.

>>10711582
I believe in the necessity of the complete annihilation of all sapience nor do I believe in the validity of a future AI-dominated hypercapitalism following the very, very imminent ecological collapse and its consequences.

>>10711592
>I believe
>nor do I
which is it bitch

>>10711597
Yes, that sentence was a mess. The first statement is what I believe, the second was to clarify how it differs from Land.

>>10711583
Constitutions are ancient. The rule of law is ancient. Republicanism is cancer, though.

>>10710680
It made me realize most conservatives are usually retards who suffer from a dunning-kruger induced regressive bias. So I guess you could say that it made me become more left leaning.

>>10710680
was always a lefty, i'm more right wing now. i am not against left wing goals or visions of the future but i reject most of their assumptions and their foundations now, i think nothing of lasting existence can be built from left wing (or liberal for that matter) principles, and every time that the left wing (or liberalism) has been successful in anything it has been using so to speak "right wing fuel" to propel left wing (or liberal) goals, which means that it's not a self-sustainable force and at some point it runs out of fuel.

>>10711604
what about traditionalists then

>>10711604
He said how has reading affected you not watching John Oliver

>>10710693
>The only philosopher that has influenced me to the left, however, has been Zizek in that we will need a strong state to deal with certain problems that if left to the free market will eventually decimate the world.
it's fine that you got that from Zizek, but it fits also reactionary ideology

>>10711651
It also fits common sense

>>10711608
Traditionalists/reactionaries are usually good thinkers because they at least have a coherent worldview.
>>10711609
I don't even know who that is.

>>10710927
>>10710930
chartism?

>>10711659
not leftist common sense

>>10710694
Best response.

>>10711838
>Best response.
>not having an opinion
agnostics are the worst

I used to be an extreme lolbertarian after reading all of Ayn Rand. I took a break from reading in order to focus on uni for a while. Ended up lifting a lot and taking the iron pill. Now, I'm a staunch traditionalist into reading about permaculture farming and homesteading. I'm a statistics major so I enjoy reading studies as well. I'm about to tackle on the meme that is The Bell Curve, mainly from a statistician point of view to see if it is really as misleading as lefties say it is. I'm not religious anymore but I enjoy European pagan stuff. If I were to take a political compass test I would be around (-.5,6) on the graph, whereas I used to be (8,-2) when I was really into literature.

>>10710760
>>10710873
>>10710976
>>10710694


These four people appear to be the only actual readers in this thread

Centrism simply shows how complacent you are with the status quo. The elite is actively working towards reducing the number of people on the planet, with automation/technological progress in one hand and neoliberalism policies in the other (In western countries at least). Being a centrist means you value your life's worth to be less important than the elite's. Centrism is being weak willed and having no self worth. Centrists would rather have 'economic stability' and 'security' than freedom. Centrism is 'comfy'. Centrism is when you gave up affirming your life and individuality for the good of the system. The system is an inhumane system that will inevitably be better off without humans. It has no value for the individual at all.

>>10710694
>>10710680
This, reading made me less political and I realized all ideologies are just looking at the world in a certain perspective that is always somewhat subjective/speculative/flawed. But overall I'd say that classical liberal/conservative/libertarian are the safest and least subject to flaws so I gravitate towards those rather than the ridiculous mental masturbating that goes on in far left with marxism, critical theory, and post-structuralism or the authoritative nature of the far-right.

ITT:

>read books
>realize you're retarded compared to great thinkers
>realize everyone else is retarded too
>give up having an opinion at all

>>10712063
Pretty much this

I went from anarcho-communist to reactionary constitutional monarchist - in the modern Liechtenstein mold or England shortly after the glorious revolution.

Unless democracy is retrained by hereditary monarchy/nobility, it will eventually lead to a nation run by and for a select group of sociopathic politicians -- as we see today.

>>10712022
>The elite is actively working towards reducing the number of people on the planet
How?

>>10712161
Through neoliberalism. Sexual 'liberation' and competition in every aspect of social interactions and life. Maybe environmental distasters, wars, nuclear warfare etc... Vaccines and antibiotics are helping create superstrains of organisms that will wipe half the population in future decades. Why the fuck would the elite keep us alive when machines will be able to do our work? Why would the system allocate ressources for useless members? Why would we have machines working to feed us? UBI is the most naive idea in the world. Why would we keep useless humans alive, who take up spaces food, have needs greater than being oiled up and plugged in? We won't. Humans are becoming useless, obsolete.

>>10710680
Reading has made me more open, and probably less political, even apolitical overall. I always make a point to ignore political discussion. Most people would say I am right-wing, yet I offer help to local left-wing parties because the people involved are my friends. It's not about being on a "team". I can't imagine not helping my friend because of political, or ideological differences.

To answer your question I don't think being a centrist is bad. But I do think most so-called "centrists" just want to avoid taking a stance on anything. Yet when pressured they become easily offended, especially when you question current political dogmas. Questioning the merits of democracy is a good way to get most normies flustered, for example.

>>10710904
kek

>>10710680
I'm now completely apolitical outside of late 18th and early 19th century French politics. I got into a fist fight because one of my so called friends dared to call himself a Legitimist.

>>10710693
What does it mean to you, in 2018, to 'believe in' the end of history?

>>10710680

It has made me completely uninterested in what happens in political life, now all I want is seat with a comfy book in a countryside house, learn how to shoot and keep everyone else out if they ever come to bother me

At first it made me more right wing, I used to be a turbo leftist
Now I dont really care

>>10712739
same desu; in my early 20s I was pretty left-wing, became more and more right-wing untill I realized that politics is inherently a plebeian affaire

>>10712802
That right wing turn happened around 18-19 for me

>>10710680

I don't have my own opinions, I have fictional characters that I think about who I give well developed opinions to over a range of ideological and philosophical spectrums. Political opinions are totally worthless anyway, and this is more fun.

I've become a bit more racist, in a "you don't need to believe in tribalism, tribalism believes in you" kind of way. I fear that a future in which my monoethnic country becomes a multi-ethnic one is not a happy future, neither for the the majority of natives nor for the minorities that are coming in. Even if other "tribes" behave exactly as my "tribe" there will be friction and it will not end well.

>>10710680
Made me more moderate. Made me think politics aren't so important as I thought.

I'm a centrist, fuck you

>shirt and short pants
somebody shot that guy

>>10710680
The only thing that has made me racist in even a little way, is learning those four fucking japanese kids that tortured that girl to death for a month only got 8 fucking years. One of them got off scott free.

Why are the japanese such cold, unfeeling monsters? I haven't been able to enjoy anything japanese since then, not completely. Everytime I read something about japan I like, there's always a little voice in my head that sneers: too bad they're soulless, racist fucks.

>>10710680
I went from being a libertarian degenerate agnostic to an Orthodox Christian monarchist. I try to focus on reading more theological and historical events than I do read politics. If i do, it's mostly some manifesto on the evils of the world as a whole.

Politics anger me to the point of no return. Those who are most qualified to lead are not charismatic enough too grab people’s attention and those who should be kept away from a position of power with a fence around them get to sit in the biggest of chairs because people like that they make the funny hahas

>>10710680

Being more right-wing has made me read more, but my views have been largely unchanged. Am I doing it wrong?

>>10712908
>I went from being a libertarian degenerate agnostic to an Orthodox Christian monarchist
>Americans

>>10710680
As a teen I was a catholic with left leanings; that eventually led to full blown psychosis. Today I would describe myself as platonic of center.

>>10710680
Went from far right to far left. Was already sliding away from Hitlerist fascism when I went ML.

I also now cant stand Anglos.

I was raised conservative and reading has definitely made me more sympathetic to leftists and understanding of left wing positions but I'm still basically a conservative.

Though in practice I'm pretty apolitical. Nothing gets me fired up enough to vote.

>>10712983
Reminder that bordiga was right and did nothing wrong.

Reminder that tankies solutions to government is a bigger government

Reminder that the only difference between the banana Republics and the USSR is that the elites of the banana Republics didn't die and didn't take decades in colectivising the agrarian industries

Reminder that human nature is a thing that exists and you can't abolish family because of it

Reminder that the kulaks did nothing wrong

Reminder that your dumb utopia will never be reached because MLS failed so hard that no one is willing to attempt communism

Reminder that anarchism life span is 5 years

Reminder that communism is retarded and so are you

>>10713036

>reactionary rebuttal are memes

sorry sweetie

I take it most anons itt became more socially conservative and fiscally liberal, or a reactionary?

>>10710680
It made me stop caring about politics and focus entirely on art

>>10713241
Thanks for not making any arguments

Go back to larp on your split 8ch board

>>10713514
This. I was pretty heavily into politics a few years ago when I first started reading intensively, but now that I'm more widely read and have adopted a religious view on life, I realise how largely insignificant the left-right dichotomy is. It's enough of a struggle to live a fulfilled and valuable life by yourself to worry about how others will live theirs. Art is far more conducive to human flourishing than any political protesting or campaigning will ever be.

Politics is ultimately temporal, while the aspects of life which are essential (e.g. art, spiritual fulfillment, family) are eternal.

>>10713036
>>10713241
>>10713533
Nvm I was too harsh you can stay leftie anon

I love Political sciences theory so I can kinda see where ur coming from

I wish political sciences wasnt a niche hobby

>>10710680
Everything worthwhile that I've learned about politics comes from reading.

>>10712063
Damn...

Reading made me return to the left, the political parties are full of incompetence regardless, but I'm more in favour of left-wing ideals.

>>10712713
He probably means Fukuyama's thesis:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_History_and_the_Last_Man

>>10710680
Right wing to 'complete and utter hopelessness'.
'Political pessimism' is a dank secret political club occupied by notorious figures such as:
Anon.
Peter Hitchens
Baudrillard.
And more.

>>10712063
correct

>>10712022
>The elite is actively working towards reducing the number of people on the planet
Well, it appears they are doing a piss poor job of it.

>>10715405
We're working on it anon. We're confident that population growth even in Africa should begin decelerating within a few decades. Don't worry, we have biological warfare techniques in case things get out of hand too quickly.

I became more of a cynic desu because at this point I simply don't give too much of a fuck
pic related describes my mood 24/7

>>10710680
We have a specific word for "shoes" in pic related.
The translation is something like "isucceededinlife-ers"

>>10715448
Good stuff, but I think you should kill all of us instead.

No clue, as of yet I am still parsing through the rabbit hole. There's no ideology, but I feel something concrete.

>>10710725
Anarchy is the act of ridding ourselves of domination in order to self organize.
It doesn't have any real end goal beyond destorying hiearchy.
I know that we are more than capable of functioning better if we get rid of the cancerous restraints, but that doesn't matter. What you need to understand about anarchy is it doesn't necessarily add anything to the world on its own.

>>10710737
You really need social interaction, trust me. You will make your schizotypy worse and your thoughts will become disorganized.
Meaningful friendship and love are very possible, you are just sick. Check out schizotypal personality and check off the symptoms.
I know because I am you with a long struggle for self awareness, but replace the god with ecology.
All the sick anarchy stuff is cool and sane.

>>10710737

Don't take this the wrong way, but it sounds like you need to see a psychologist, if only for the anxiety and depression

>>10710680
Reading Nietzsche, Heidegger, De Maistre, and MacIntyre made me more conservative.

>>10710680
both, economically left wing, socially right wing

but anarchist no matter what program gets us there

>>10710680
The more I read the more I repudiated leftism, eventually drifting into a soft post-marxist post-leftist reactionary skepticism of all ideologies.

>>10710680
Well, I got into reading /lit/shit through Stirner, so obviously it made me left wing (to begin with). In fact, I was full-on radicalised insurrectionist-tier (I was gonna fight for Rojava lol).

Now I've just attained enlightened apoliticism in the face of God, like all superior e/lit/ists.

>>10715710
Not him but I agree that love and friendships are possible in our epoch. His lack of social skills and incel projection are showing but that doesn't disqualify a concern about the commodification of human relations and how social media has made performance culture omnipresent, not only is it with us in social interactions which are increasingly fake and duplicitous but it follows us around in our pocket and in our bedroom as we check our social media feed obsessively, creating an ideal abstraction of ourself carefully curated and inventively performative in its quest to obtain likes and swipes in echo chambers. Hyperreality is now.

>>10712808
Kierkegaard mode...

>>10712983
>I also now cant stand Anglos.
One of the biggest bluepills. The ratcage of ressentiment. Once you see someone devolve into being flustered about la perfide Albion, you know they are an intellectual subhuman, a continental lightweight, a McMind.

>>10713501
>fiscally liberal
are you reading the same thread I am, anon?

>>10715782
I know exactly this feeling

>>10715809
interesting -- stirner made me less left wing, he almost seemed like a left wing parody philosopher

>>10715824
I agree with everything you said about social interaction.
The problem I see is isolation, substance abuse and the rest of the negative schizo symptoms he has. As well as the anxiety and the gruel of depression.
I don't want him to end up so lost in history thoughts that he can hardly function. It's becoming a common problem and it's because the purpose in our lives is vanishing

>>10715951
>History thoughts
^their thoughts^

>>10710737
Dude youre a fucking nutter, try seeimg a pschycologist, I think that would help. If you cant afford it i guess youre just fucked god bless america.

>>10715689
>getting rid of the property holding elite and the military ruling caste isn’t adding something

>>10716400
Siri, what's a "power vacuum"

>>10715194
Imagine taking Fukuyama seriously in 2018

>>10710793
Good post

>>10710737
Fucking goddamned attention-seeking retard redditor. Stop posting

1. any classical education will reveal how much damage leftism poses
2. understanding the current state of humanities academia will reveal how much damage leftism has actually caused
3. speaking to leftists will reveal how much irrational bullshit we face in the world of literature/humanities

>>10716477
empirically true

>>10710680
The more I learned the more I drifted toward the right, but once I hit a certain point I kind of stopped drifting and instead just took the time to consider my positions in greater detail and refine my principals.

To be clear, it's not that I'm a fence sitter or anything. It's just that my views are varied and I'll take hard and soft positions on topics that sometimes fall to the right or sometimes fall to the left or oftentimes don't fall in line with either camp insofar as what most people consider.

But yea, effectively I'm a centrist.

As far as why people say centrism is bad it's because there are some centrists who will never really commit to any stance regarding an issue and will always try to find a compromise between two positions even when one doesn't exist. Meanwhile people have trouble identifying the more principled centrists who will commit to issues because they often have views that fall in line with the left or the right or some other political faction, and as such they erroneously assume that they are part of some such group when they only hear one specific viewpoint.

So centrists get a bad rap because people only really notice the centrists that have basically zero commitment to anything.

>>10710700
This. I really wish people would just drop the whole left right meme and discuss individual issues as individuals.

>>10710760
Pretty much this, but if people ask I say I'm a centrist libertarian since it sounds a lot less radical and I'm generally more of a proponent of minarchism than I am of anarchism.

>All these people claiming they're centrist.
Centrism is the negation of the existing antagonism.
>I reject corrupt and ruthless global market corporations as much as i reject sources of "disorder": refugees, loud homosexuals, radical feminists and comunists.
You embody the perfect candidate for an authoritarian capitalist regime which sets up a "world order" that assigns a specific, essentialist and limited frame of existence for each collective and individual.
Radical centrism means nothing. Centrism is the absolute lack of ideology which in turn is the ideology of advanced capitalism.
>All these brainlets on /lit/.

>>10710680
>Has reading made you more right wing or more left wing?
actually both

>>10716534
That's not centrism, that's what being a brainlet is like. You need to think more.

more right wing desu

>>10716485
What is that for those of us who are not burgerstanis?

>>10717425
classically educated christians BTFOing everybody in all areas

>>10717427
What does ACCS stand for? Google just gives me some NATO nonsense

>>10717446
Association of Classical Christian Schools

>>10716477
>the country in which classical education has been more valued historically in the entire west is one of the most leftists
makes one ponder

>>10717465
Huh very interesting
No such thing in my country. How do they work? Do they have an emphasis on the Greeks and teach Euclid in math class and stuff? How classical are they? And how Christian?

>>10717467
italy fell for the sneaky kind of leftism though, that one that doesn't openly want to destroy all traditional institutions and just sounds like some sort of caring about your neighbor

they are also going into fascism overdrive for the next elections on march
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/08/italy-fascists-macerata-berlusconi

>>10710904
are you retarded?

>>10717477
the wikipedia article is breddy gud and to the point:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Christian_education

>>10717482
>that one that doesn't openly want to destroy all traditional institutions and just sounds like some sort of caring about your neighbor
Kek, pretty apt description. That's because communists actually had a part in forming the First republic and its constitutions and because our christians actually do something to help the poor instead of being hateful rednecks of the american kind.
>they are also going into fascism overdrive for the next elections on march
Nah we aren't. Most people will vote (approx 40%) center right because most italians are xenophobes. Two of the biggest parties on the right aren't even opposed to immigration, just to the illegal kind, Anyway, the center left and the m5s are still getting a good portion of the votes. You also must consider that the voting percentages don't represent the entire population, which is iirc mostly composed of non-voters.

>>10717521
>Most people will vote (approx 40%) center right because most italians are xenophobes.
sounds like the worst possible outcome, they will still suck EU cock sneakily and i'll have to see the fucking plastic face of Berlusconi on tv

>italy
>one of the most leftist
wat

>>10717557
Berlusconi can't be re elected fortunately, but he will manouver everything from beyound the scenes while he bungabungas young ladies like the puppetmaster that he is.
>>10717560
>home to the biggest comunist party outside of the URRS at its time
>culture dominated by the left in the post ww2
>costitution written by literal commies
>antifascism is one of the values of the state

>>10712022
Or it means you realise that blindly following the party line of the right or the left is idiotic. And that sensible people judge every single issue by its own merits in its own context, not how it fits into an ideological framework.

Plenty of centrists think individual rights are extremely important.

>>10717628
so you are a liberal, not a centrist

>>10717521
Not even European but Salvini seems pretty based, I'd vote for him if I were you desu

>>10710986
Ask me how I know you're reddit

>>10717721
Salvini is a chamaleontic retard that doesn't have a credible plan for the future other than "muh immigrants". I'll probably vote center or center right (not that it matters anyway).

>>10710680
The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.

t. Donte

>>10717733
>"muh immigrants
In a country with 11% unemployment (far far higher for youth) you honestly thing stopping immigration isn't the most important issue of the day? Delusional. Not to mention if you let in enough brown people eventually Italy won't really exist as a nation anymore.

>>10717772
Nice analysis. You need to go back to /pol/.

is there a chart for recommended reading on politics?

Reading had made me right wing as fuck desu. Tho as an American I know caring about politics is useless so I’ve resigned to cynicism.

>>10717954

>>10717772
>lump of labour fallacy
And no, we have far bigger issues that no one seems to be able to address, like the need for a reform of the judicial system a good spending review, more flexible labor laws and the fact that there are 300.000 italians leaving the country every year. Salvini wants to have a 15% flat tax but he doesn't even know how he's going to pay for the loss of money ffs.

>>10710737
If you said that in Iran about Iran, you'd be thrown in jail. You don't have to like the culture to appreciate the freedoms you have here.

>>10717982
Whoever made this list mashed up a bunch of propaganda along with The Republic and Leviathan, and arbitrarily wrote "right wing" at the top.
You could group all the key categories into one big "ESSENTIALIST PROPAGANDA" key. And take The Republic and Leviathan out of the list.

>>10718005
noting that poorshit uneducated thirdworld immigrants are not going to help the insane unemployment issue is not a fallacy
and with 11% unemployment, and much higher youth unemployment are you surprised people are leaving? fix the unemployment and fix the emigration issue

>>10718033
>the work advocates a point of view and is therefore propaganda
by your metric The Republic is A class propaganda m8

>>10718005
all those things can be reversed in a few decades even if it takes work, changing demographics can't be reversed

>>10718095
>changing demographics can't be reversed
not with that attitude

>>10718126
killing is bad :(

>>10718140
we don't have to go full holocaust there are ethical solutions out there
paying them not to reproduce, forced sterilization and deportation can all work

>>10710904
lol

>>10718168
>implying the holohoax happened

>>10717982
>Blake
>right wing
He would have been an excellent anarchist

>>10718188
he wasn't a nihilist though

>>10710680
Left wing for sure. It's not a coincidence that most writers leans to the left.

>>10715194
Fukuyama is such a fucking brainlet. No serious intellectual takes him nor the idea of neo-liberalism being the end of history seriously. Socialism is the real end of history and it will be clear when it eventually triumphs over capitalism.

>>10711547
left: equality and self expression
right: hierarchies and institutions

>>10718188
You don't have to be right-wing to make the chart.

It is generally a pretty shit chart on a conceptual level though. Unless you're studying from a political science point of view, you shouldn't be reading texts because they support a certain kind of politics.

Besides, all true patricians have transcended petty politics.

>>10710680
Reading philosophy and classical western literature has made me vastly more right wing and authoritarian.

>>10711659
The necessity of such a strong state is actually one of the key tenets of fascism.

>>10712983
>MLism
so you're basically still a fascist who just threw out Marx

>>10710737
Why would you need to graduate to move to the middle of nowhere, where your degree would not matter?

>>10710694
yup

>>10710976
Can you elaborate on why you think the left-right dichotomy isn't real in your view? I always see this claim, and while I'm interested in it I never see any argumentation for it.

Way more right wing. I realized the left and everything to do with it is all in favor in silencing ideas and thoughts, and by far and away is the predominate ideology pushed by media/social media/university/Judaea so i decided to go against the milquetoast

>>10711920
What’s wrong with the central limit theorem?

>>10718570
he's referring to the book, not the concept

>>10718580
>The controversial...
fucking plebs

More right wing, because i've gotten disillusioned with left wing thought and realized that many of the things that amde authoritarian left-wing states "work" are just ripped off from fascism.

>>10718594
they may be plebs but they're not wrong
this book still has leftists fuming at the mere mention of it

>>10718599
i mean i can kind of understand why, there are things that may be better not said, even if everybody sort of suspects something

but the left themselves opened the can of worms when they insisted that anything that's not 50/50 representation everywhere can only be due to discrimination. Once you force that you are forcing the dispute into the spotlight.

>>10718599
even on here people get assblasted all the time over this book

>>10711920
"Tackle" it if you wish, but the academic reviews on the subject, several of which are by statisticians and demographers, are probably more thorough than you're likely to be.

>>10710680
You’re no centrist

growing up in the deep south in the woods made me very right wing. college made me move left more, but still very far right in the full spectrum. Lifting and personal development has moved me very right in some ways and reading has not really affected my politics honestly. being in good shape, being "self made" in the sense that i crawled my way out of poverty has made me pity those around me like a left wing person might, but I do not want to help them a la right wing. i do believe in things like white privilege, that poor people need state help, and even the right to contraceptives, but I just don't care to pay for any of it or help minorities. i guess i'm just a lolbertarian-lite selfish prick.

>>10710680
A lot more left but also pretty jaded with active leftist movements in the West

>>10710680
>>10710686
Centrism isn't anything more than the advancement of current political norms

>>10718276
But it's coincidence that Dostoevsky is right wing, right?

It has turned me from left leaning centrist to complete paleocon traditionalist. Abolish the republic and institute an elected monarchy.

>>10718754
you need an aristocracy first, who is going to elect the king otherwise? plebs? from among other plebs?

Currently a radical centrist to spite the brainlet leftists and righties.

>>10717418
Could you elaborate?

>>10718791
this chart makes me so mad i won't even try to write why

>>10718791

Didn't Ned outlaw slavery? The characters don't match this chart very well.

>>10718271
So does most leftists

>>10718344
Sure but I always felt slightly absurd that Blake was labelled 'libertarian' in the chart when he would have made Bukharin look like a dictator

>>10710927
r8,h8,deb8

>>10718791
>Ned
>Libertarian

>>10718052
It mostly is, but i wouldn't put it into "right wing propaganda" category. It's not a praise to extraordinary qualities nor to strong and rigid hierarchies. Even if it arguments in favour of specialization and division of labour, it doesn't link it to social position/status, power comes from competence, and each and every citizen has the posibility to have any position. He even arguments agains slavery.
>the work advocates a point of view and is therefore propaganda
Ideology is propaganda, not a founded understanding of "politics". When a work advocates a political point of view is not aknowledging reality but constructing a biased version of it. It doesn't matter if it's marxist, liberal or nationalist literature, they all have a political purpose. The exception is that usually critical theory (the one that deconstructs "nature", "god", "power", "evolution") is called left wing as it "fights" against reified essentialisms which right wing defends.

>>10710680
It has made me more informed and because of that I am more "centrist" when it comes to a Republican or Democrat dichotomy. I just don't like mega corporations, excessive capitalism, or degeneracy. As far as a political compass goes, I'd say I'm an ironic Nazi.

More left wing on ethnic/religious tolerance, sexual tolerance and social mores. More right wing on spending, immigration, and education.

also, here's a rare burton

>>10717982

>storm of steel
>fiction

>>10718095
>All these things can be reversed
"Can" being the fundamental word. There haven't been signs of the decline stopping since the 80s.
>>10718042
Most immigrants work, it's just africans that create problems. The "fix your issues" part isn't as easy as you make it sound and there is no one that presented a serious program that tackles our fundamental problems, because doing so would mean having to piss off some specific categories and it's impossible to do that while hoping to get elected at the same time with the kind of electorate we have. We're slowly becoming a south america tier country, Salvini and every other politician are just symptoms of a larger disease.

>>10718544
Not the same guy, but it's less that it doesn't exist and more that unfortunately it widens the gap between people that should be working with each other. People are extremely politically intolerant, but based less on virtue and character than belief.

I realized that Marxist/Communist and Anarchist ideologies in their original form are completely antiquated ideologies, as the conditions for a revolution to occur no longer exist within the modern West, and is becoming increasingly impossible across the world with the rise in global living conditions under the various forms of capitalism, i.e, all /leftypol/-types are LARPers that believe in an outdated ideology for the same reason shallow DEUS VULT Catholics believe in Catholicism: aestheticism and romanticism (tools of ideological propaganda), throughwhich they shape their exaggerated view of the world.

>>10718544
First describe what you think makes a political position "left" or "right" leaning.

>>10710700
elaborate?

>>10710725
of course, but there are limits to that argument
pick up an econ book to see the possibilities of egalitarianism, thomas piketty "capital" is really good after that

if you only read philosophy you end up a cringy pseudosocialist ""liberal"" picrelated

>>10718544
median voter theorem

Made me more right wing or at least more conservative a bit but not by much.

Reading the news made me dislike the idea of accepting economic migrants disguised as refugees.

Growing up in one of germanys most "diverse" cities made me more right wing.

>>10710725
>Falling for memes

Far more right-wing. I believed in parity, before. I believed for there to be an opposition to a thing, there must certainly be some justified grievance or right reason for opposition. I didn't realize how entirely ridiculous and one-sided certain issues can be, and not a result of simply personal bias, but one side being a complete farce and full of truly and consciously evil people.

>>10719953
>not wanting war and international corporate client-kingdoms makes you a nazi

We need a paradigm shift of terminology, as it's been led by the left and corporate media, and made entirely ridiculous.

More and more I become unable to really disagree with anyone. They've all said something reasonable. I find myself in agreement with opposing ideas, or so it seems. Reconciliation is possible.

Every time I think I lean more towards one side or the other, something happens that makes me really reconsider who I follow. I have since stopped following figureheads in politics, and have become quite happy simply thinking for myself.

>>10710680
It has made me more apolitical

>>10710680
I went from lolbertarian to distributionist to idk if that's me moving to the right of to the left

I'm a part of what some people call the "alt-right" and it feels punk as fuck. It feels like an actual counter culture, or rebellion against the PC culture that dominates American colleges.

>>10723284
the absolute state of rootless amerimutts

>>10723239
distributism is a reactionary ideology, so i'd say quite to the right

Definitely right wing especially in the sense of the family. Broken homes are a big reason this country ends up with so many shitters

>>10712802
Do you know what the etymological roots of the word idiot are? I invite you and all other vocal apathy anons to look it up.

>>10712892
Cool story champ.
I'm sure there's never been a failure of justice in any other country ever. Keep on enlightening us with your hot opinions.

>>10710680
It's made me incredibly sympathetic to absolute rule. I would readily condone some supreme authority culling society towards a particular ideal instead of the mongrolized and unending politic that is democracy. I really feel what the world needs is someone to come along and start killing people.

>>10723342
yeah i miss dad too

but that doesnt allow you to be a biggot

>>10710680
Seeing the art made for the glory of God like Milton and so on made me think that the way modern political thought has eviscerated art and attempted to reduce it to social commentaries and petty attempts at cleverness and reference is pathetic.
The world needs something worthy to aim for. We may not need God but we need to create art worthy of God.

>>10712892
>he doesn't know that all asians are souless

>>10710737
Godspeed, anon, godspeed.

>>10723284
Haha, me too, I love beating up Pakistanis, because it makes me feel proud to be British. We criticize the EU, because we're nazis. High Hitler, XD

>>10712892
Looks like b88 from assblasted Chinaman or Koreans
Next you'll be bitching about their textbooks editing out history - oh wait, that story was disproved in a Stanford study which showed that Japanese textbooks have a high degree of factual accuracy, and it turns out China is actually the country that edits its history textbooks.

>>10719228
go back to /pol/ and take your gay little charts

>>10710680
Reading got me into economics

>>10710904
>the left has a monopoly on being the driving force of history

>>10710680
First, I had very socialist ideals, but now my political ideas are either too hard to categorize or an unorganized mix of left and right wing ideals. Those political compass test always make me a centrist, because my ideological standpoints are not easy to fit in a traditional political compass.

>>10710904
Sir, what the actual fuck.

>>10724088
true

>>10723374
>>10723390
>>10723402
I don't give a shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Junko_Furuta#Crime

Rate me bros

>>10724269
chartist

>>10721211
I'm glad you asked. Here's a wall of text.
Imagine a M2F tranny who is demanding all guns in the US be smelted into a mosque for new migrants. Those policies would widely be considered "left," but many people who identify as leftists would jump to disassociate themselves with such contentions.
To everybody on the "right," however, all leftists are just varying shades of this extreme ideology.

The left sees the right as bible thumpin', gun totin', abortion hatin' trailer trash.
The right sees the left as freedom destroying, virtue signalling, subversive collectivists.
The 2-axis political spectrum attempts to solve this, but you can't effectively quantify politics. (It's possible, but people aren't smart enough to understand it.)

Reducing an opposing idea to merely "left" or "right" immediately polarizes their entire platform. They automatically become aligned with an ideology and are treated as such.
Saul Alinsky said it best. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”
It creates chasms of disagreement between people who are probably much more similar than they'd like to admit.

For better or for worse, this divide is becoming less and less apparent with the internet. Differing opinions are rapidly becoming a thing of the past. The hive mind is here.

I've come to the conclusion that I'm a ethno-nationalist liberal.

Neither. I'm completely disconnected from reality and can't identify with anything

>>10712063
Most Based opinion.

>>10715518
There are more comfortable places to read your tablet then the stairs anon.

>>10718168
Education is also an effective contraceptive.

>>10724180
Lol go back to fb

>Has reading made you more right wing or more left wing?
>258 posts and 39 image replies omitted.

Gravity's Rainbow made me smoke weed

>>10710737
>>10723376
> I would readily condone some supreme authority culling society towards a particular ideal instead of the mongrolized and unending politic that is democracy.
>and that this is caused by a mixture of capitalism and democracy.

Now you get it.

>>10726375
Yeah man Fascism and Communism have a much better track record in that regard, sure...

>>10710680
You obviously need to read much, much more than you have, if you still think "right-wing" and "left-wing" are in any way useful political or social classifications.

>>10715782
What you're trying to say is that "I became a post-modernist."

>>10710737
You're in other words slipping into schizophrenia.

Just made me less mentally stable. Overall I would say more right-wing though

>>10711580
You really know it's not

>>10711592
>I believe in the necessity of the complete annihilation of all sapience

why?

>>10723376
In short, you can't handle frustration or debate, and lack the empathic imagination to understand what it might feel like to be oppressed. You would prefer that things always happened a certain way, even if that way wasn't preferable in itself, because then at least you would be sure that it'd be safely repetitive. You're autistic.

I use both my wings.. to fly over the sheep and the fools

>>10723379
>but that doesnt allow you to be a biggot
Who's stopping me from being one? You?

>>10710904
>There's no such thing as a centrist. A centrist is left-wing as anyone right to the consolidated leftists tenets is. Left is defined in relation to right.

>>10724269
Chart-sharter.

>>10710680
Of course Left. Was raised one the right win garbage but reading did the job, now I'm with him.

>>10710904
>There's no such thing as a centrist. A centrist is left-wing as anyone left to the consolidated rightist tenets is. Left is defined in relation to right.

The worst thing about cenrists is that they genuinely believe they are rational people, that their methods are scientific, and that they are not consumed by ideology

>>10726854
please choke on a bag of broken glass you fucking faggot propagandist

Reading made me despise the left-right dichotomy. I've ended up in a hard Anarcho-Capitalist/Voluntaryist position at the moment though.

>>10726854
centrists are just leftists
Everybody who doesn't support immediate theocratic martial law is a leftist

>>10726854
This. Fucking statists....
>>10726864
> propagandist
...but he's right.

>>10726875
>I hate the mainstream views so I choose one of the most batshit retarded ideologies that would surely leave me for dead weeks after being put into place
Really makes one ponder

>>10726875
>>10726892
underage and pedos please leave

It made me left wing, then right wing, then I realized that biology plays a key role in political belief and many left wingers literally interpret and approach the world differently than most right wingers, and vice versa. I eventually concluded that if everyone is seeing the world through disparate and sometimes incompatible frameworks, objective morality is a foolish goal, as are hopes of reconciling the right and left wings. The only quality that can truly distinguish if a belief system is "better" or "worse" than any other is how logically cohesive it is. Our only pseudo-utopian goal (a declarative statement of how things should be) should be a clean and stable political structure that allows all areas on the spectrum to struggle against each other and encourages everyone to continually work the kinks of hypocrisy and contradiction out of their belief structures.

>>10726938
You're on step 3 of the ladder
Step 5 (aka the Nietzsche / Foucault) step is where you realize there's nothing but power and you start forcing down your ideology down on everyone else through rhetorical terror

>>10726938
>biology plays a key role in political belief a
This is a right-wing belief itself tbqh

>>10710737
>As soon as I graduate I plan to move somewhere where I can see the northern lights and spend months without having to engage in human contact, so that i can fast and pray and study until I’ve purged myself of all the miserable poison of low modernity.
This is only a wise choice after you've gone to visit Iran and other developing countries where the perspectives are the west's flip turned upside down

>>10726960
>This is a right-wing belief itself tbqh
this is a stupid belief tbqphwy

Before reading: basic "duuuude we like should get along, live and let live maaaaan, who cares about what happens when you are dead" liberal

After reading: MUH PATH TO THE STARS

>>10726910
>>10726937
Sorry bucko, I value freedom. We know what happens when people don't, 20trillion starved Ukrainians is what that looks like. Clean your rooms.

I honestly believe there are no more consistent, moral and effective ideas than that of Libertarian style freedom as a continuation of the ideas from the enlightenment and age of liberalism. Collectivism is that immoral cancer pitting against again one another.

>>10727084
>muh degeneracy
>muh property
>muh (economic) freedom

>>10727169
>this is your brain on ancapism
Can't believe there are people who unironically believe in this shit

>>10727195
hey at least the ancaps try to ground their system rationally. Other people are just like 'how dare u question me m8 think of the children'

>>10710680
I've moved left on every front except for sexual liberation. Keep it in your pants you sick fucks.

>>10727333
Kinky.

>>10727169
I disagree that parents own their children and subscribe more to a Hoppean view of self-ownership. (See Argumentation Ethics for a feel for it).

In my view children have and can exercise their own self-ownership but choose to stay with their parents in a mutual agreement, not that a parent has absolute right to that kids life. It's morally akin (in my mind) to pushing someone who can't swim into a lake, but rather the lake of life that were are all treading water in.

Why do you guys meme a hate of freedom/individualism?

What could be more important for an individuals soul than to peacefully pursue their chosen path in life with the material wellbeing that free markets provide?

>>10727371
dude you want to own slaves and half of you are pedophiles
>>10727084
yes i agree collectivism is evil now fuck off back to your containment board

>>10727389
slavery is a normal feature of human society

>>10727394
it hasn't been for 400 years in a large number of places on Earth, thus its normativity is not a fact

you don't even try to deny that you're a psychopath

>>10727371
>individual's soul
This is a meme.

>peacefully pursue their chosen path
All market relations rest on coercion, and one's so-called "chosen path" has the potential to be immensely damaging to both oneself and others.

>the material well-being that free markets provide
You're thinking of advancing technology, developed largely by nonprofit and publicly-funded institutions.

>>10727202
>that
>rational
He's just making non-sequiturs left and right

>>10727395
if I was a psychopath I wouldn't be able to feel bad for you

there are still slaves in Qatar my man. Also the black americans were better off under slavery than they are now

Even most whites would benefit from slavery

>>10727406
>if I was a psychopath I wouldn't be able to feel bad for you
you don't, you're not even remotely capable of feeling real pity. not even in the noble sense
>did you ebin know there are still slaves in sand nigger countries and South Asia?
yes, anon I too know things
>black americans were better off being whipped and raped and shot for sport and forced to work 14 hour days in the fields and treated like cattle literally
no
>most whites would benefit from slavery
wow and of course you would be the slave master or at least one of the slave handlers, wow who would have thought. you seem like an ok guy who wouldn't rape a little girl slave or anything or beat someone to death for taking too long to bring a wheelbarrow of pumpkins out of the field

>>10710737
T Sayd Qutb

>>10727442
I wouldn't mind being a slave desu. I keep getting arrested anyway, it would just formalize things

you should read the actual accounts of slavery, not the propaganda from abolitionists

>>10727475
Pray tell what the *actual* accounts where

>>10727480
this one is not bad
http://www.authorama.com/full/pdf/A-Southside-View-of-Slavery--Nehemiah-Adams.pdf

The guy actually was an abolitionist himself until he went to the South

>>10726497
you don't get it pussy, I'm on the side of the tyrant because he is one of my people

>>10726497
People are happy to be ruled.

>>10725706
this is my goal

>>10727395
There are more slaves in the world today than at any point in history, you realize. All that's changed is you don't see the slaves that enable your lifestyle in the west now.

>>10727333
I've moved right on every front except for sexual liberation. Ultra-libertine homotorture mandatory.

>>10727389
That was rude dickhead.

>>10727398
> All market relations rest on coercion
> The only voluntary mutually benenficial economic intereactions ie. those in the market are all based on coercion
Did you hit your head getting out of bed today? I honestly don't understand how your brain works or would process that kind of logic that trade, purchasing and employment are all coercive.

As many anons said, I made me more centrist, it made me realize that politics are not dichotomic, that party politics are pure ideology, that human civilization has been following and will keep following a nonstop positive trend towards progress, that every politcal system has flaws, and that even the most retarded ideologies are backed by some kind of common sense.

>>10717491
That's amazing, when I have kids I want them to go to one of these schools

>>10717982
here's a better chart

>>10727795

>>10712185
Elites are only elite because of the subservient masses. We are their food, killing us off would be counter productive.

>>10727795
>>10727801

fuck off pol nobody cares

>>10727495
damn you're retarded

>>10718293
Socialism is impossible when the difference between the individual parts of a whole can be so massive. Your meme equality does not exist.