/lit/ - Literature

His readings of the Bible are fucking embarrassing desu.

Jordan "slay the dragon by a good little wagecuck to provide for a used up roastie and her child like a true individualist hero" Peterson

Did Jung also predict that he'll live comfortably in Switzerland while writing texts about the Jewish unconscious for Göering?

>>10707174
could you elaborate?

>>10707151
I kind of doubt he actually said that, but the reason why Peterson doesn't understand socialism is because he sees it from the perspective of a psychologist instead of a philosopher, so all he sees are a bunch of inadequate, mentally unhealthy people latching to an utopian idea, hoping it will solve their inadequacies. To understand socialism and why it would work you must see it from a philosophical point of view. Peterson will never understand socialism. And who cares. Psychologists are well known brainlets anyway.

>>10707203
the absolute state of marxists

>>10707198
"The Jewish race as a whole, possesses an unconscious which can be compared with the ‘Aryan’ only with reserve. Creative individuals apart, the average Jew is far too conscious and differentiated to go about pregnant with the tensions of unborn futures. The ‘Aryan’ unconscious has a higher potential than the Jewish; that is both the advantage and the disadvantage of a youthfulness not yet fully weaned from barbarism."

http://eric.pettifor.org/jungnazis
This source says he wasn't an antisemite and that he was just interested in the psyche and disliked Freud. I'm not so sure.

he's going for the neet, alt-right, sexually frustrated, neckbeard market. thats a good market. there's some serious netbux up for grabs in that market.

how much do I need to donate to him on patreon to get a skype chat with this charlatan?

>>10707234
>marxists

its not the 60's anymore, fucknut

>>10707243
Jordan "What do Jung, Heidegger, and Nietzsche have in common" Peterson

>>10707203
This. For a psychologist anyone who wants to subvert the status quo is unhealthy. That's way most of them can't understand socialism and why most of them are brainlets.

more like Juden Patreon

>>10707172
>cursing people who further your agenda
you retards were DOA.

>>10707203
>To understand socialism and why it would work you must see it from a philosophical point of view.
This is the most retarded thing I've ever read, congratulations.

>>10707203

I'd go even further and claim that, if Peterson actually wrote any of this, he has absolutely no idea about classical Marxism (let alone the more recent variations) and not even about sociology's theories of conflict. What he says may suffice (and even conveniently oppose) under the views of SJWs (which, after all, know just as little as he does about conflict, with their intersectionality movement), but he is absolutely fighting a losing battle whenever he tries to make philosophical claims. For someone who says has learned from Jung he is failing pretty hard at the Jungian approach

>>10707172
he was a spy for the allies look it up

>>10707312
maybe if you have some of this for breakfast you'll things more clearly

>>10707319
But was he an antisemite?

>>10707203
Take note kids: this is the exact same thing the Marxists of the last century thought.

What happens after the revolution? Even if all of Marx's dreams came true, human life would be just as miserable and purposeless as before, if not more. That's what Jordan Peterson often tries to draw attention to.
>b-b-bt he doesn't understand Marx!!! Men after the revolution will be a completely different being, a free individual yadayada

>>10707478
https://youtu.be/IvBm0ZUfe7I
This?

>>10707267
>the absolute state of people too dumb to read Marx and instead latch on to the excrement of Marxist thought and justify doing this by citing the number of years that have passed since the coming of the Lord

>>10707151
>The thing about Marxists is that they exist beyond comprehension.
Literally everything is beyond comprehension when you're disingenuous.

>the utopian visions of Genesis.
The issue with this is your understanding of history depends on factious prejudice accounts from Jewish plagiarists rationalizing their state. There occurred an actual fall, of sorts, which can be dated historically to around the time of the agricultural revolution. This is when humanities epistemological and practical orientation towards nature became abstracted and instrumentalized. Those technological [in the broadest sense] developments eventually became autonomous and took control away from real humans; this is the source of generalized disempowerment, infantilization and dependence today. Technology controls us, we don't control technology.

>Humans are always meant to be in a state of conflict, like how two brothers compete for the same woman.
That may be so if you believe man is just another beast which seems to be Petersons understanding of man. His understanding of society is Malthusian.

>Which is why I think Christianity has much to say.
Peterson seems to be saying Judaism has a lot to teach us from what I can tell, Jesus doesn't seem to be of much interest him. :-P

>>10707478
A feeling of purposelessness and miserableness are the psychosomatic results of alienation

>>10707151
Can you fuck off? Have you even read anything today? Your shit does not belong on this board. We could be discussing literature but every thread is either a real Jordan Peterson thread or a thread making fun of Jordan Peterson threads.

>>10707609
>factious
* fictitious

>>10707609
>dude communism will cure depression and make life meaningful

you have to believe that otherwise you wasted probably a decade of your life reading Marxist literature

>>10707632
It would, though. La revolucion is not only an economic change but a complete change of paradigm in our understanding of the humanity. La revolucion doesn't stop until everyone is happy.

>>10707151
>>10707203
>>10707609
>I kind of doubt he actually said that
No shit, it's a shitty caricature meme
>God is Red
> you need to clean your room and accept malevolence before you even begin to think about how you're going to avoid the gulag

>>10707632
Psychology can only rationally be situated historically. You can't speak of mental life outside of any environment. Most people today are rendered impotent as a result of late capitalism.

>>10707632
or you just shoot the depressed in your marxist utopia, problem solved

>>10707413
maybe, but nothing about that statement you quoted seems all that “anti-semetic” to me. the idea that different peoples had different predispositions was assumed by everyone back then, and still today, and with good reason. But there’s also the possibility he had to write stuff like that to maintain appearances with the Germans.

>>10707671
>late capitalism

>>10707710
How much longer do you think capitalism has?
>inb4 hurr this is the end of history

>>10707727
ancient egypt had wage labor pal, that's capitalism according to Marx's definition. I don't even agree with that, if everyone became a free lancer today I wouldn't see it as a system collapse, it's just market economy which exists for centuries in various degrees and will continue to exists for centuries to come.

>>10707478
>human life would be just as miserable and purposeless as before, if not more.
It is almost as if that is not his goal in the first place but to eliminating the need for class and state...

>>10707755
then explain the alienation meme

>>10707746
You are incredibly ignorant and I doubt you have read anything related to Marx or capitalism or any economic system for that matter. Just because you would call something capitalism doesn't make it so, you are comparing apples and oranges.

>>10707761
A proletariat's alienation from his labor?

>The thing about Marxists is that they exist beyond comprehension.

Is he arguing for or against Marxism?

>>10707793
it's not a real quote you dummy

>>10707746
There didn't exist any large scale private enterprise in Ancient Egypt. The state mobilized labour for large scale state projects but it wasn't for any return on investment but for pure ideological purposes e.g. building pyramids or managing the water supply which gave the state massive powers. Artisans typically owned their own tools and made their own goods which they sold to merchants, factories never really took off in any big way in antiquity.

Egypt is an example of Asiatic Despotism, not something good but not capitalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiatic_mode_of_production

>>10707761
You do what someone else commands you to do because there's no other option not because you understand why you should for ends you don't care to understand. This has been the case since the end of the palaeolithic. All civilization has essiently been based on some form of alienation.

>>10707203
What kind of a psychologist struggles with the concept of collectivism?

Ah yes the daily /lit/ thread where the retarded commies get triggered by Peterson

>>10707761
It's a critique of the capitalistic system, brainlet. It's not in any shape or form a solution. Do the bare minimum and read a fucking wiki article on the subject before exposing your general lack of a high school level education.

>>10707876
They may understand collectivism as an abstraction, but the people who strives for collectivism often do it because they aren't capable of thriving on their own in an individualist society. So Peterson, because he's a psychologist and not a philosopher, when he studies socialism (just as he does with postmodernism) he doesn't study socialism in itself but the psychology of socialists, and, because of his normative standards, he deems them mentally unhealthy for not fitting in society. Of course they not fit, but he doesn't get that's the very reason why socialism is needed.

By understanding all of this it's easy to understand why he can't see the merits of socialism. He can't help himself. He's incapable of seeing the big picture.

>>10707978
This, Peterson is a psychologist, not a philosopher, not a sociologist, not an economist, and most importantly not someone who sees the forest for the trees when it comes to society.

>>10707978
Great post.

>>10708044
>speed speed speed.jpg
is he a landian?

>>10707993
>>10708043
stop responding to yourself, memerson aside it was just a meaningless post throwing the word philosophy around without saying anything of value

>>10708072
yes

>>10707203

>I kind of doubt he actually said that, but the reason why Peterson doesn't understand socialism is because he sees it from the perspective of a psychologist instead of a philosopher, so all he sees are a bunch of inadequate, mentally unhealthy people latching to an utopian idea, hoping it will solve their inadequacies.

>>10707283

>This. For a psychologist anyone who wants to subvert the status quo is unhealthy.

In all honesty this is a very rational explanation. Now the problem is when an outsider like him comes along and even suggest leftists are maladapted (many of them are, let's be honest any movement has its fair share of damaged people) the leftists work themselves into a defensive frenzy and start labelling everything with the "F" word, which only confirms Kermit's points. It's like the Streisand effect, the more leftists fight him the strongest he becomes.

>>10707413
I highly doubt it

>>10708136
It's funny that you and Peterson both fail to see that by labeling entire swaths of people mentally ill and dehumanizing them ("leftists", "marxists", "post modernists") you set upon the same path as the Nazi's. Even if it's true that some people who make up the modern left are devious or misleading in their ways, to then label everyone who associates with them as equally reprehensible rather than misled sheep is dangerous. It's understandable for ignorant students to fall for this kinds of "Us vs Them" mentality but for Peterson, who references Nietzsche as often as he does, to not see this is kind of unforgivable.

>>10707243
Lmao what the fuck is wrong with you? almost as mentally deranged as poltards. You just quoted the ONLY words of Jung on jews, in his 40books and 60 years career. Jung was asked by the nazis to come to berlin to check on hitler, he told them to fuck off. take your meds.

Peterson is whack honestly. But he has the merit to quote the most insightful authors of the last centuries. Everyone is better off reading his sources.

>>10708230
I was a leftist you know, clearly I had issues. Now that doesn't make things like critical theory wrong or mischievous, they are clearly on to something, I am just saying if you are attracted to this kind of thing in the first place life must not be working out for you, successful people can afford to just stay milquetoast centrist liberals and don't rock the boat because they have something to lose. Saying that doesn't make me a nazi, that's just as fallacious as when Peterson says "letting people pick their pronouns is a slippery slope to gulags".

>>10707300
How does Peterson further my agenda?

>>10708072
I want Nicky on the Russel podcast.

Imagine the battle of word salad

>>10708842
pseud acceptance

>>10708480
>if you are attracted to this kind of thing in the first place life must not be working out for you, successful people can afford to just stay milquetoast centrist liberals and don't rock the boat because they have something to lose.
So anybody who looks at the West's decline into hedonistic pleasure and conspicuous consumption with contempt is not speaking out because hey at least they have a big screen TV and high speed internet? That is a very simplistic view of society, culture, and people as a whole, especially when you take that perspective from a small group of suburbanite teenagers and apply them to everyone who complains about this sinking ship. Also I'm not calling anyone a Nazi in a literal sense, but rather by dismissing people for their supposed ideology or "identity" as an "other" or an enemy, people like Peterson promote tribalism and being reactionary rather than compromise or even conversation.

Honestly I like a lot of what Peterson has to say when it comes to individuals and how people should rely on themselves for their identity rather than giving themselves over to a larger ideological body, but he is way too conservative and traditional when it comes to looking at society as a whole and worst of all he seems like a person who believes in the end of history.

>>10707203
>so all he sees are a bunch of inadequate, mentally unhealthy people latching to an utopian idea, hoping it will solve their inadequacies.
This statement doesn't make me think he's wrong.

>>10707158
no

All Petersonites are melodramatic faggots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQTGc4uaiRM

>>10707203
He's against identitarianism, not socialism. His main concern is that simplistic ideologies that group people based on factors like race, gender, and class are not strong enough to sustain a productive world-view on which to build a society. He worries that we'll see a repeat of communism in that a political movement of the resentful will lower everybody to their level.

>>10710330
No, he is staunchly against socialism even though on some interviews he has conceded that wealth needs to be fed to the lowest caste in society, he still believes that any kind of "marxist" ideology will always end in genocide.

>>10707313
Marxism was one of the foundational ideas behind the rise of sociology. The theories of conflict are literally just Marxism abstracted from the economic realm (and I'm not saying this to criticize them).

Peterson has often said he was more influenced by Piaget than Jung. Either way, it's stupid to hold someone to the standard of someone else's thought. We can (and should) have many deep differences between our views and those who formed our intellectual framework while still being loyal to them.

>>10710343
Do you think he would consider the beta uprising a form of marxism?

>>10710353
Define "beta uprising"

>>10707710
Capitalism will end once the Oligarchs take control. We are nearing that phase. Welcome to Feudalism 2.0.

>>10707151
Really makes you think

>>10707151
>jung

>>10710115
He should just kill himself at this point

>>10710343
He has stated many times that he's center-left on economic issues (this by Canadian standards). He's not anti-socialist. He hasn't "conceded" that the poor need to be "fed" - he's expressed deep concern for the prioritization of the bottom 80%'s dignity as the Pareto distribution leaves them behind (which is a statistical inevitability in any society - even socialist and communist). His views in that respect are a hybrid of socialism and paternal Catholicism/Orthodoxy, which has always been sympathetic to socialism's goal of ensuring the dignity of the masses.

You're just wrong.

>>10710377
Do you think you've made a point? Peterson does call himself a classic liberal and he is pretty well defined as center left, but as with all people his thought process is much more complex than that. I remember an interview where he said universal income was a completely stupid idea, yet he also believes that the poor need a way to get back into the "game" of capitalism. He is too focused on the psychoanalysis of the vocal minority of the progressive left than he is in actually discussing economic policy because he is a psychologist and not an economist nor is he a philosopher.

>>10710433
>he said universal income was a completely stupid idea, yet he also believes that the poor need a way to get back into the "game" of capitalism.

>yet

don't you mean 'and'

>>10710433
My point was that he's sympathetic to what has classically been referred to as socialism. Your point seems to be that his lack of sympathy with an isolated, far left trend makes him a right-winger. And for that manner, "classical liberal" includes New Deal and Great Society Democrats these days. It's a catch all that refers to anything vaguely liberal rather than left.

I'm not the one in need to sharpening, bucko.

>>10710538
>My point was that he's sympathetic to what has classically been referred to as socialism
And I think that is your opinion and not his.

Maybe we should make a new board for all the lit marxists? They can get triggered by Peterson in their own little board? Then they would stop spamming threads about him

>>10707151

This guy rooms >not beautiful

>>10707172
So what's your alternative?

>>10707203
Socialism is indeed a belief system, which is why it should never be taken seriously as an economic standard, much less as the basis of a system of government.

>>10707655
>La revolucion doesn't stop until everyone is happy

>>10710115
This was embarrassing. It would somehow be less cringey if he were wearing a Guy Fawkes mask.

>>10707158
I'm sure these words cut him deeply.
Especially "desu."

>>10710901
Considering he went on a twitter rant against a Zizek quotebot because Zizek wrote a pretty tame article about him, it wouldn't surprise me.

desu

>>10710901
Hey Jordan, congrats on the yuge book sales.

>>10710918
>he went on a twitter rant against a Zizek quotebot
That was a Chad move and you know it very well.

>>10710861
>So what's your alternative?
Simplicity, frugality, asceticism, celibacy.

>>10710918
>because Zizek wrote a pretty tame article about him, it wouldn't surprise me.
he probably doesn't know that Zizek doesn't even care about the articles he writes, and he just does it for the $$$

>>10710918
>he went on a twitter rant against a Zizek quotebot
I'm imagining him droning on in his canadian kermit voice at one of those arcade machines (like in the movie Big) only of zizek instead of a "psychic gypsy" and every time he stops a piece of paper with a zizek quote comes out and he starts again

>>10712070

Fuck off tradfag

>>10707274
Nietzsche is pro-Jewish though. He sees Jews as Ubermensch potential

Jordan Peterson has more impact on the world than 99% of today's academics. It's like people have forgotten, it's the big men that change history. Peterson, Bryan Caplan, Nehisi Coates, Zizek, Scott Alexander, these are today's thought leaders.

>>10707151

>please keep listening to me. I have no real applicable life skills and will die.

>>10708338
Reading his sources has been amazing

>>10707671
You're like a cult. You believe all this crazy shit with no emperical evidence to support it and preach it as fact to anyone who will listen. People have believed batshit crazy religious ideas for all of human history with nothing to back them up. There's almost nothing in your biology that separates you from any of them. They we're just as smart as you are, and you have fallen into the exact same behavioral pattern. You're in a cult. Get some fresh air.

>>10708480
>just as fallacious as when Peterson says "letting people pick their pronouns is a slippery slope to gulags".

This is not his position. You can argue that the government legally requiring you to comply with pronoun demands isn't the crossing of the Rubicon he claims it to be, but saying he's arguing that people picking their pronouns is the point of contention is being either insincere or not familiar with the discussion.

>>10708964
I do think it would be interesting to see him have some arguments with better representatives of the left. I think it's a bit disingenuous to claim he promotes such tribalism while at the same time he keeps pushing so hard against white identitarianism.

>>10714199
You're the one in a cult, defending capitalism when it has completely dehumanize you.

>>10707151
100 IQ

>>10714230
(source needed)

>>10707203
>To understand socialism and why it would work you must see it from a philosophical point of view.
Ah. So reject the psychological standpoint and give it one more go, right? Absolutely nothing could go wrong, I'm sure.

Fuck off, idiot

>>10707203
>To understand socialism and why it would work you must see it from a philosophical point of view.
You’re the brainlet. Peterson’s right about one thing: you are inadequate, mentally unhealthy people latching onto a utopian ideal. Kill yourself. Go back to /leftypol/ and don’t ever post here again.

>>10707203
philosophy is an inferior dimention of knowledge compared to psychology and theology.

>>10714713
>philosophy is an inferior dimention of knowledge compared to psychology and theology.

>>10707978
Makes sense.

>>10707978
Stop samefagging replies. Kill yourself, communist faggot.

>>10707151
>What did he mean by this?
It's total gibberish, word salad, I don't think he realizes what he's saying. I do think his meds need adjusting.

I'll wait all fucking year, Peterson faggots

>>10714713
Philosophy sucks, but psychology is the lowest of the low. Theology is outside of evaluation.

>>10707655
or starving and miserable as they exist only to serve the government

>>10715282
i don't understand this meme, didn't Brand suck Peterson's cock for 1h30m in their recent podcast?

>>10716388
It's an uncreative troll, I think he used to meme Brand in the exact same way in Nick Land threads

>>10715282
>memeing brand
>not rosanne
If you want to say someone btfo Peterson, at least say the right person, anon

>>10714444
>>10714673
>>10714713
t. butthurted psychologists

>>10707151
>Nietzsche got it totally correct when he said God is Red
Fucking lost. Well memed

>>10707203
>n-n-no! don't think about it p-practically!
>if you want to know why my insane ideas will work, you have to think ab-bout them abstractly!!

>>10707978
i wish you could experience the merits of socialism first-hand
come to my home country of Cuba and relish in the utopia, comrade

>>10710433
>Do you think you've made a point?
jesus christ you're desperate

>>10708338
>But he has the merit to quote the most insightful authors of the last centuries. Everyone is better off reading his sources.
spot on
marxists are seething itt

>>10707151
>>10721054
>>10720263
>>10720569
>>10720310
>>10717742
>>10707151

>>10707263

>>10710373
whoisthis?

>>10707203
Wrong

His whole message is that type of government is separate from humanitys instinct for wealth inequality and general pareto distribution.

Socialism, which states everyone is equal, is inherently ripe for corruption since its directly against human instincts of greed and the general universal mechanic of pareto distribution

>>10710373
Honestly this.

>>10710115
That bra on the door knob.
>And he upgraded to a 1080p camera
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCfc3i8y1qw

Thx for the keks

>>10707151
>God is Red

>>10707761
Alienation results from doing work in which you have no stakes and which doesn't develop or require skills. For instance, somebody that fills out spread sheets all day has no stakes in the spread sheets, somebody else owns them and wants them filled out and hires the guy to do the job. So, the guy filling out spread sheets is doing somebody else's work and not getting anything out of it except some payment as compensation for taking the time to do the job.

Then, the job doesn't take real skill or allow for improvement. A medieval smith for instance, making armor for nobles, wouldn't himself be using his products either, but by working on the armor he would develop skills in relation to his work, for instance being able to hammer out more refined patterns or figures in the metal. The work allows for enjoyment and improvement. The man working with spreadsheets doesn't have this; he can't improve and there is nothing to enjoy: he therefore can't recognize himself in what he's doing, i.e. he feels distanced from himself, *alienated*, and so begins to feel like life is pointless. Life of course isn't pointless, just his situation.

Becoming politically engaged in a leftist mode means recognizing just this, that it's not life that is pointless, but the lives we are forced to live, like say filling out spread sheets.

One of the points of revolution is to get rid of alienating labor, or work in which you have no stakes and in which you can't come to recognize yourself. Because we live in a society in which we perform alienating labor we can only imagine such a future society negatively, i.e. we can imagine it as not being like ours, but not positively, i.e. what it will be like to itself. Just like a stone-age fishermen could imagine living in a society where he wouldn't fish, but couldn't imagine that such a society would involve motorways and airports and exactly what it would feel like to live in a society which had those things.

>>10710861
>what's your alternative
dupont chemicals: better living through chemistry

>>10723431
but i've never seen a leftist do anything meaningful

And th-that's so deep, it's so profound, so incredibly deep, you know. And that's no joke! That's bloody serious. Incredibly serious.

So that's why you should get a job and stop complaining.

>>10710901
>Especially "desu."
fuck off, we're full

>>10723448
Leftists have improved the living and working conditions of workers and secured the right to vote for all.

>>10714230
I love all this food and luxury. I didn't even have to do anything to get it. Thanks capitalism.

>>10723481
Thats not progress kek

>>10723494
*blinks*

>>10707151
He’s such a hack.

the amount of low level bait in this thread is astonishing. are leftists actually this spiteful and retarded, or is it a false-flag meant to make them look like pathetic losers?

>>10723620
what are you talking about? there's nothing but bait in this thread, from all sides.

>>10723650
The parodying of his style of speech, lampshading the obvious prevalence of authors and philosophers concerned with the cultural identity and the jewish question in one way or another in his major influences and the ">capitalism"-posting are, for the most part, in good humor, it's what I would expect from /lit/, but then you get retards like >>10707609 replying the the OP like it's a real quote. Are commies actually this retarded?

>>10723448

Most intellectuals that have existed throughout the 20th century were lefties.

>>10724070
name 1

>>10724075

>carl sagan
>chomsky
>george orwell

Its harder to find ones who openly weren't.

>>10721410

>pareto distribution

pure ideology

>Socialism, which states everyone is equal

In what sense? "Socialism" doesn't state this. There is no "Socialism" anyways.

>>10724090
i hope you are memeing, my dude

>>10721410
the socialism that can be spoken of is not the true socialism

>>10724103
this is nice post

>>10724094

How is noting a non-uniform, roughly-exponential distribution among assets across time and culture an ideological statement? Its descriptive, not normative

>>10707609

>I use philosophy to justify my cowardice: the post

>>10724075
Einstein

>>10723448
Every single social progress has been made by the left. There's a reason why leftists are also called progressives while right wingers are called conservatives.

>>10721410
>believing in human nature
Are you a brainlet?

>>10724612
>still believing in the tabula rasa

lol

https://youtu.be/IvBm0ZUfe7I

daily reminder that this man is a little bitch ass bitch

>>10724722
>a close reading of 20th century
Nigga individualism is the basis of all middle class and capitalist consumerism and media culture

he is also unpoetic and his aesthetics are strongly anti-Nietzschean (he is last man)

>>10710357
Has it not already?

>>10710357
i don't see that happening unless they get very good killbots, feudalism sounds good to me though

>>10724604
[third positionism intesifies]

tri-hourly reminder that right-wing accelerationism is the only form of accelerationism that works

accelerating capitalism will lead to... feudalism, and no revolt.
accelerating progressivism will lead to... communism, and revolt because I'm not paying for methheads and niggers i swaer to christ

>>10723431

>Becoming politically engaged in a leftist mode means recognizing just this, that it's not life that is pointless, but the lives we are forced to live, like say filling out spread sheets.

but you are wrong anon. 'leftism' does not inherently have any opinions about the pointlessness or purposefulness of life

>>10723481

>secured the right to vote for all.
this has objectively been a disaster. Universal suffrage was a huge mistake, representative government was likewise a mistake. thankfully, it is a self correcting one.

Why havnt anyone shoot peterson?

>>10724685
Tell any academic in the humanities you believe in human nature and they will laugh at your face.

>>10724722
dear lord
he should go back on his meds, would probably become less of a youtube star but maybe he wouldn't look like a crying corpse

>>10725067
don't be dumb only a tumblerina would do that

>>10719054
>Fidel took my grandma's slaves.

>>10724722
k this man is clearly actually insane, as a fellow insane person I recognize the signs

>>10708072
did they fuck?

>>10724865
I don't get this image
the nazi is clearly dead, what will shooting the cork off do
even if he somehow came back to life, how is he supposed to get out, the neck of the bottle is too narrow
anyway, how did he get there, did he grow there like a pear in a bottle?

either way, awful image, cartoonists should really study anatomy and learn to think in something other than cliches

>>10725348
nah, just our house and food and water and dignity

>>10724865
>right-wing accelerationism
>accelerating capitalism will lead to... feudalism
>accelerationism
I don't think you get what that word means anon

technocracy w h e n

>>10726455
will lead to techno-theocracy

>>10726455
i don't understand what it means lmao if you could explain it that'd be swell. The general point is that the leftists who think voting Trump or promoting disgusting pig capitalism will lead to a revolution are dumb. Superior redneck right-wing hicks who think that supporting communism and transgoofdom will eventually lead to a revival of reactionary thought are 100% correct. Morality is like is diode. It only goes one way and one way only. You can't u-turn to turn 360 degrees, if you know what I'm saying.

>>10726398
thanks for replying babe. I, too, agree that pickled nazis are unappetizing.

>>10726506
Now

>>10727090
long may he reign

>>10727106
how many chinese girl fetuses has he eaten lads? hundreds? thousands? do you think he eats them raw like a warrior-priest? or drinks them in a smoothie?

>>10727118
fuck off faggot

>>10727118
I think he visists a Daoist alchemist hermit in the who cooks them up with secret herbs and American and Russian tears in the misty mountains.

>>10707151
> this whole perversion of the utopian visions of Genesis
oy vey! gief him more shekels!

>>10707151
Tbh I just watched that Russell Brand interview and it was really good.
Not even a memerson fan.

A friend messaged me out of nowhere telling me to listen to Peterson and when I told him no way he said
>why lol wtf
>hes 100% one of the smartest people alive right now

So should I actually listen to Peterson?

>>10727259
No.

>>10710901
>Especially "desu."

>>10727259
Do it. You'll know what the most influential right winger on the Anglo Saxon has to say and you'll know why he's a meme.

>>10727259
ask your friend if there are any studies showing that listening to Peterson improves your life

>>10727290
>you can do a study of my life lol

>>10727259
If you don't go in expecting him to be "one of the smartest people alive" then sure, I guess. He's not very well-informed about many of the subjects he talks about. Don't take what he says at face value.

Has Peterson ever addressed the replicability crisis? It's particularly relevant to psychology and would seem to undercut a lot of what he espouses.
http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124

>>10714230
Who are you to say what makes me human or not?

>>10727379
The economic system you defend only measures your existence by the material value it creates for others.

>>10723481
Voting rights were secured by leftists, in the sense that liberals can be refered to as leftists, historically.

When /leftypol/ took power, from the Bolsheviks in Russia to the CNT in Catalonia, labour unions and other such institutions were crushed from the top. It is specially funny in the case of Catalonia where you'd have people that called themselves anarchists arguing for the need for reeducation camps (slave labour camps) and central planning of the economy (the problem with worker-owned factories is that since they unilateraly set the labour costs themselves, the surplus value could not be redistributed to ensure social welfare).

>>10727421
This is an oversimplification. We are not economical entities all the time and while capitalism may measure my existence by the material value it creates for others it also rewards me with goods I can use at my own disposal in my free time.

>>10727421
Not material value only, no, since exchange value isn't an inherent property of products. Value is subjective, pricing of goods and services is an aproximation of the emergent inter-subjectivity. A macaroni collage by me is worth more to my mother than it is to anybody else. Nobody else would buy the cardboard, macaroni and glue for me to make that collage, because that product wouldn't be as precious to anybody else. And the value of the product wouldn't be an outcome of the skills of the labourer nor of the units of labour time that went into it's production. We have inherent drives to attribute value, to be creative, and to exchange things with each other. The rules for markets vary, but they exist always in some form or other, even at the level of social structure for hunter gatherers (alliance theory explains society in terms of mate/loyalty exchange).

Marxism, yes, offers is a strictly materialistic model. It doesn't even do that well, desu, since labour time is clearly a terrible way to judge value of products.

>>10727259
Ehhh, not really. He's not a brainlet by any means but he doesn't have anything groundbreaking to say either. He's a psychologist pointing out that postmodernism is being detrimental to the mental health of college kids because deconstructing the values of the west is leaving them without a solid sense of identity. He isn't even particularly interested in postmodernism in itself. Some people like to sperg out because he doesn't understand it very well, which is true, but in my opinion that goes a bit beyond the point. He wouldn't change his mind about it even if he understood it better because its psychological influences would still be the same.
I think his religious ideas are pretty interesting though, but I don't necessarily share them.

>>10707203
>Trying to go beyond the psychology of man in creating a new world why rejecting anything outside the psychology of man like God
top kek

>>10727733
while rejecting*

>>10707822
Artisans were less than 10% of the population tho. Most egyptians would be labourers, either working for the god-king himself (who basically owned all of the land) or slaves to someone else.

>>10710346
Weber and Durkheim had at least as much to do with the genesis of sociology, and they were not Marxists in any way.

>>10724903
No I'm emphatically right--by which I mean left.

The utopianism of the left specifically posits that life as such is meaningful and that the only obstacles to a meaningful life are historical and social, i.e. contingent.

>>10727547
Could you briefly elaborate on the religious ideas; I'm too lazy to watch his videos

>>10725114
>the humanities
>academics

>>10728863
>mfw i should have been a chemical engineer
feels bad

>>10729046
I freaking love shark week.

>>10729051
my nigga

>>10728863
What exactly constitutes Classics and Classical Language?

>>10707151
Stop shilling this retarded man.

>>10723477
>>10727280
>T. People who don't know that desu's a word filter
Fuck off newfags

>>10729641
The implication is that he was the one who didn't, anon. Try again later.

>>10707243
Your quote... Actually seems to be a compliment to Judaism as a society. "Too conscious and differentiated" to have an unconscious, emotional element driving them forward to an unknown future. They had a keener sense of rationality and were highly aware of themselves (individually and as a community) and the world such that they were a self-contained, self-critical whole.

More obviously, he qualifies that a great potential could be either a disadvantage or an advantage, so it's a matter of almost volumetric scale. Probably not greatness in the sense of goodness.

He also called "Aryans" relatively barbaric compared to Jews. He was pegging the Germans for what they seemed to embody at the time.

>>10712975
This.

>The Jews are the most remarkable people in the history of the world, for when they were confronted with the question, to be or not to be, they chose, with perfectly unearthly deliberation, to be at any price: this price involved a radical falsification of all nature, of all naturalness, of all reality, of the whole inner world,
as well as of the outer. They put themselves against all those conditions under which, hitherto, a people had been able to live, or had even been permitted to live; out of themselves they evolved an idea which stood in direct opposition to natural conditions—one by one they distorted religion, civilization, morality, history and psychology until each became a contradiction of its natural significance. We meet with the same phenomenon later on, in an incalculably exaggerated form, but only as a copy: the Christian church, put beside the “people of God,” shows a complete lack of any claim to originality. Precisely for this reason the Jews are the most fateful people in the history of the world: their influence has so falsified the reasoning of mankind in this matter that today the Christian can cherish anti-Semitism without realizing that it is no more than the final consequence of Judaism.

> Psychologically, the Jews are a people gifted with the very strongest vitality, so much so that when they found themselves facing impossible conditions of life they chose voluntarily, and with a profound talent for self-preservation, the side of all those instincts which make for décadence—not as if mastered by them, but as if detecting in them a power by which “the world” could be defied.ychologically, the Jews are a people gifted with the very strongest vitality, so much so that when they found themselves facing impossible conditions of life they chose voluntarily, and with a profound talent for self-preservation, the side of all those instincts which make for décadence—not as if mastered by them, but as if detecting in them a power by which “the world” could be defied.

>The Jews are the very opposite of décadents: they have simply been forced into appearing in that guise, and with a degree of skill approaching the non plus ultra of histrionic genius they have managed to put themselves at the head of all décadent movements (—for example, the Christianity of Paul—), and so make of them something stronger than any party frankly saying Yes to
life. To the sort of men who reach out for power under Judaism and Christianity,—that is to say, to the priestly class—décadence is no more than a means to an end

>The Jews are the very opposite of décadents

>The Jews are the very opposite of décadents

>The Jews are the very opposite of décadents

>>10710433
>psychoanalysis
he likes C.G fucking Jung

>>10714673
capitalism is also an ideal . Look at history, the state has subsidised all kinds of industrial and technological endeavors.

>>10728863
I love linguistics so bad

>>10724903
> noopinions about the pointlessness
living withouth alienation?

>>10727470
>rewards me with goods I can use at my own disposal

People have fought for these rights. Capitalism removed shitty working conditions from america and europe to other countries with sufficient infrastructure such as china. wait until these countries stop playing this game and demand global equality with america and europe.

these snap shot theories are fucking retarded. it is as if your house is on fire, and you say: well, at least its warm and i save some money on the heating. fucking retarded.

>>10707203
Obviously Peterson didn't actually say this (see the "clean your room" meme line).

That being said, both capitalism and social are based on assumptions that are incompatible with human nature - in the case of capitalism, that humans are rational and self-interested, in the case of socialism that materialistic and consumeristic tendencies are purely the result of socio-cultural environment and context.

>>10731166
Yeah me too, but this chart must be based on an outdated philological conception linguistics. Contemporary linguistics like generative grammar, Montague semantics, and especially categorial grammar is highly mathematical.

real talk jordan peterson probably cries having sex, and NOT in a good way

>>10731275
Every time somebody writes or pronounces the word human nature a book is burnt somewhere in the world.

>>10731321
You made me say human nature

>>10731461
I also had to say it to write the profecy.

>>10707172
> Jordan "you have the power to change the world for better or cast us all into hell" Peterson
FTFY babycakes.

Has anyone actually read his book?

>>10731939
His idea of making the world better is having a job, a wife, a house and a bunch of kids. He just wants you to be a confirmist 'individual' and keep the 'growth' pyramid scheme going.

>>10731979
> confirmist 'individual' and keep the 'growth' pyramid scheme going
Anyone who denies mans need to connect with the other half of their soul, to take on responsibility and carry the society on their shoulders is themselves in denial of their own purpose in life.

We know what it looks like when people deny their purpose, 20billion starved Ukrainians is what that looks like. clean your room

>>10707243
Then how does the nigger factor in to that Jung?

>>10731321
Yeah, human nature doesn't exist even though it's both empirically demonstrable and theoretically implied that things like genetics and physiology contribute to and shape human behavior. For example, the human sex drive is one of the most obvious examples.

But anyway, if it's not obvious to you that human physiology shapes human behavior, you're not just retarded, but possibly insane. Human cannot, for example, fly simply because we're not physiologically equipped to do so. Anyway, the fact that you deny the existence of human nature demonstrates that you're completely ignorant of cognitive science, psychology, linguistics, neuroscience, and related disciplines. Congratulations on being a true brainlet and scientifically illiterate.

>>10732749
>For example, the human sex drive is one of the most obvious examples.
How come there are asexual people then?

>>10732777
>outliers exist therefore nothing can be defined
ty modern humanities

>>10732777
checked lmao. People always do this.
>mixed-race people exist so you can't create a white ethnostate
>queer people exist so the gender binary should be rejected
>things are fuzzy and undefined at the borders so the groups don't exist
ok frens

>>10733107
Don't forget some real issues like, genes are mixed all over the lace so it's practically impossible or just impractical to try and find out who are "white" people and history shows that the zealots and grunts on the ground are never smart enough to implement vicious ideas without extreme overlap, violence and fuck ups due to subjectivity and the lack of knowledgement.

>>10732777
>If crows are genetically programmed to be black, then why are some white

Are you really this retarded?
(1) Because of genetic (and possibly some environmental factors)
(2) We're talking about general patterns, not every specific individual. That being said, some exceptions are even completely excluded - find me a human that can fly unassisted by technology.

You're obviously retarded and have no aptitude for academic disciplines. Even most post-modernist and social constructivisty in sociology and anthropology department admit that both "nature" and "nurture" play a role. The world isn't black and white. It's not like human behavior is either fully determined by socialization and conditioning, or it isn't at all. Things are more complex than that.

In fact, we can observe the effects of certain genes and neurological processes and structures on human behavior - e.g. LSD can cause hallucinations, and certain brain structures can be seen to be responsible for certain behaviors and cognitive abilities (e.g. the amygdala and "fear", or Broca's area and language).

Or. . . why not just consider the fields of zoology and animal behavior/sociobiology. I don't know much about these fields myself, and obviously you don't either, but I imagine we both realize that different species exhibit different behaviors and social practices, and different some of these phenomenon are clearly related to their biological nature (e.g. some animals are "biologically programmed" for lifelong monogamy, and others for seasonal courtship, even if individual exceptions exist for both).

To keep it simple though: things aren't black and white.

>>10707172
Imagine being this guy