/lit/ - Literature

>>10630819
my diary desu

What's the point of MM? Has anything valuable whatsoever been harvested from it for anyone outside of shitty occult circles that don't know anything valuable to begin with?

>>10630823
This

>>10630819
What is it? Speculative Edge?

>>10631679
OotW is philosophy. MM is mysticism.

>>10630819
orgy of the fags was better

What to add?

>>10631756
There's a mystical element to OotW.

>106. The higher you rise, both physically and spiritually — but mainly spiritually — the more all the creatures around you fade away and slowly disappear. Your parents, friends and relatives, not to mention the person in the street, become dead, can hardly be said to exist for you any more, while all the great figures of the past that all these shortsighted little creatures deem "dead", the philosophers and conquerors, gradually come alive, until one day they are all around you. You play at the higher level, where no one ever truly "dies", and where titanic forces are still waging their eternal struggle in which the pathetic little creatures all around you are not even important enough to be considered pawns; but dirt, atoms, nothingness.

>121. And just as the weak creature inserts God wherever it feels its weakness, the strong creature inserts itself wherever it feels its strength, and ultimately in itself. To believe so much in oneself as to become one's own religion. And people think that I am an atheist. I am not an atheist, I am God.

>1. And as God once spun the whole world out of himself, so too the time will come for the world to coalesce and fuse in such a way as to recreate God.

>13. The kingdom of God is inside you, said the Nazarene. But the subhumans are still looking for it, not merely outside themselves, but even "outside" the universe. You can lead a mule to water...

I have nightmares about icycalm desu
I constantly meet him and he's a pretty chill fun guy except somehow extremely intimidating and I feel anxious all of the time

>>10633360
You can feel the searing contempt he has for you underneath the surface.

>>10633075
I wouldn't call that mysticism. It's far too coherent.

>>10633464
yes, probably

>>10633360
it's the demon inside of him.
I'm not joking.

>>10633075
It's a common theme in Christian spirituality that the more you advance in the spirit, the more "dead" the world seems to you. St. Catherine of Siena says that it is literal nothingness, and a book written by a monk called The Spiritual Combat says that the world becomes like a "dream" to you.
However, the departure is when, instead of seeing the world as nothing in the Face of God, he sees it as nothing compared to himself. So he's just suffering from the apotheosis of narcissism and megalomania. It's bad metaphysics. No matter how much you expand your Ego and make the world seem puny in comparison, the fact is you are a (weak and little) man that could die at any moment. Puff your chest how much you want about your great ambition and achievements, the fact is you are going to pass away like a shadow and be utterly forgotten.

>>10633584
>you are a (weak and little) man that could die at any moment
But the greats of history have yet to die.

>>10633075
>>121. And just as the weak creature inserts God wherever it feels its weakness, the strong creature inserts itself wherever it feels its strength, and ultimately in itself. To believe so much in oneself as to become one's own religion. And people think that I am an atheist. I am not an atheist, I am God.

My katana just unsheathed itself.

>>10633584
>However, the departure is when, instead of seeing the world as nothing in the Face of God, he sees it as nothing compared to himself.
the world doesn't fade away, but normal life and normal people do
small but immediate forces are looked past and more important ones come into focus, but they are still the world

of course you may evaluate icycalm himself as you wish, but it seems obvious to me that great men would concern themselves with each other more and more

>>10633591
We just don't know those who did.

>>10633075
>The kingdom of God is inside you, said the Nazarene. But the subhumans are still looking for it, not merely outside themselves, but even "outside" the universe. You can lead a mule to water..
This guy doesn't understand the first thing about Christian humility or charity. He began to frame a point around the teachings of the Nazarene and then sincerely spoke of his fellow man as being "subhumans" in the very same point. It boggles the mind... I don't want to slander this man, not knowing anything about him, but if I'm being honest this really does read like something that a megalomaniac would think. Who is this person?

>>10633660
Humility before God means acceptance to the fact that many people who you desire to be smart, beautiful, noble... Are in fact, just goyim.

>>10633665
I disagree, and don't think myself particularly noble either. I have a long ways to go before I can be proud of myself.

>>10633591
>But the greats of history have yet to die.

In Homer's Odyssey, Achilles is in the underworld and he says it's better to be a slave on earth than a king in Hades.

The Roman Emperor Severus said: "I have been everything, and it was nothing."

Diogenes asked Alexander the Great how the bones of the conquerer's father might differ from those of a slave.

The "greats of the earth" are just as dead as the beggars and prostitutes.

>>10633701
>The "greats of the earth" are just as dead as the beggars and prostitutes.
Beggars and prostitutes don't live through us today. Ancient philosophers, scholars, artists, scientists, and other great intellectuals do. So, I think your statement is false.

>>10633759
>Beggars and prostitutes don't live through us today.
What is biology?

>>10633759
[...] With Lao Tzu as his host, Confucius literally buried himself in books for days on end in the royal library. Books were a rare possession of a few privileged people, and Confucius had never seen so many books before. It opened his eyes, and laid the foundation for his career as an educator.

At the farewell party held at the city gate, Lao Tzu said to him in a soft and clear voice, “Men of wealth give money as a gift on such an occasion while men of virtue and knowledge give advice. I had neither money nor virtue. Let me pretend as a man of knowledge only for the moment to say a few words to you, our honourable guest, Confucius. Firstly, what you are studying and teaching now is all from ancient men, who died a long time ago and even their bones have rotted away. Those written words are in fact only their footprints, neither their shoes nor their feet, let alone what was in their minds. Don’t regard their words as some sort of unbreakable dogma. Secondly, as a man of virtue and knowledge, you can have your own cart and live a luxurious life. If the time does not permit, it will be perfectly okay as long as you can manage to survive. Thirdly, once I was told of an old saying: a good merchant does not show his goods and a man of utmost virtue is always simple. It will do you good if you cut off your pride, get rid of your greed, reduce your haughtiness, throw away some of your ambitions. It will serve your family better, and it will serve your state better if you are not too stubborn no matter whenever, wherever, and whatever.”

Confucius was puzzled at the first few words and felt totally lost when Lao Tzu finished his speech. At one point, Confucius had determined to ask all the questions to get to the root of the matter. But at the end, Confucius seemed to be shrouded in thick fog and nothing was clear. He knew neither what to ask nor how to ask. His heart was still pounding, ears humming, and his throat choking when everyone at the party had dried their cups and were saying goodbye.

Was this really the same Lao Tzu whom he had stayed with in the last few weeks in the capital? Lao Tzu had been a kind, warm, and often humorous, old gentleman, treating him as his own son. There had always been a full answer whatever Confucius’s question was.

When Confucius was on his way home with the capital in the distance, a few men were hunting on horse back. A duck fell from the sky at the release of the bowstring. It suddenly dawned on Confucius who recited slowly, “Birds can fly but will fall at the hunter’s arrow. Fish can swim but will be hooked by the fisherman. Beasts can run but will drop into people’s nets and traps. There is only one thing that is out of man’s reach. That’s the legendary dragon. A dragon can fly into the sky, ride on clouds, dive into the ocean. A dragon is powerful yet so intangible to us. Lao Tzu is a dragon, and I’ll never understand him.”

>>10633584
>>10633701
Conquests in the world of imagination may very well be as challenging as conquests in the real world, or more so, but the conquerors of the real world tend to be the more memorable ones.

>>10633899
So how vivid is your memory of the Battle of Cannae or the Battle of Trafalgar?

>>10633857
>What is biology?
A field of study that is irrelevant to the discussion. Besides, I'm not sure about you, but I don't have any records of beggars or prostitutes in my family history.

>>10633907
> I'm not sure about you, but I don't have any records of beggars or prostitutes in my family history.
Not in the records, but they do echo themselves apparent whenever I have a biological urge.

>>10633480
Mysticism is generally incoherent because it's ancients trying to describe a psychological concept in a time when we had very little knowledge about how the mind works; we weren't even sure if the mind had a physical basis so you end up with a lot of talk about soul, union with the god-head, etc.

Icy is communicating a lot of the same ideas as old mystics but it's more coherent. Example.

>For the eternal enemy of God is not, and has never been the Devil (for in fact the two of them are one and the same being)

I wouldn't call him a mystic though. He's not mentally unstable enough to qualify. Jung went nuts and wrote the red book, Nietzsche was nuts and probably wrote in trance-like states, Paul had a fucking seize on the road to Damascus. Socrates was advised by his daemon on a regular basis.

I seriously wonder if icy has had any experiences that would qualify as mystical that seems to be abnormally common among philosophers.

>>10634361
t. icy

>>10634361
>in a time when we had very little knowledge about how the mind works
Why are these geese trampling others on the Internet?

>>10633584
Well it's not that the theology you are talking about is wrong; it's that these are weak people so of course they wouldn't identify them-self with God.

Theology from stronger people in Christianity did approach the idea that a person is an aspect of God. Gnosticism and the Hersey of the Free Spirit for example (the later of which is actually in the genealogy of Nietzsche's thoughts). After all they being big people they are doing a lot moving and shaking.

So both theologies are true, the lower Christians are just confused about the nature of God. For instance they do not believe God has an evil nature.

>>10633075
What a fag desu

>>10633360
I am afraid of him. I think that might be a good thing.

>>10631609
He says in the preface who the work is for, if you are not the intended audience you will glean little of value from the work.

>>10630819
Is this a joke or are you IcyCalm? Because OotW is absolute trash.

>>10634915
Tbf the intended audience is gullible twats.

>>10632876
REI: Autistic
Icy: Schizoid

REI: NEET
Icy: Criminal

REI: Recognizes the importance of access to knowledge being free to everyone.
Icy: Recognizes that it's extremely profitable to charge gullible followers for access.

REI: "God is the absolute being, and Sofia is the way."
Icy: "I'm god."

REI: Natsoc
Icy: Alt right

REI: Believes children are pure beings.
Icy: Holds adulthood as closer to perfection.

...

>>10634915
Is there anyone in that "intended audience" that discusses him?

>>10636830
Why do you ask that as if "discussion" of something were the mark of truth or good? What is good and truthful will improve people's lives or have a positive impact on them, regardless of whether the thing is discussed or not. What's important is comprehension, not discussion, and only individuals comprehend, not groups. What's the point of discussing something if nobody discussing it comprehends anything?

>>10636889
I'd like to see how it's improving people's lives. Can't do that if there's no discussion of it anywhere.

>>10636901
sigh... You just are unable to get it, right? You're like a blind robot.

>>10636923
So, any place that discusses him? Google turns up no results besides archives of /lit/ and /his/.

MM seems absolutely worthless after a quick glance. Can someone tell me what they think his best aphorisms are because it is nothing special in my eyes.

>>10637027
>MM seems absolutely worthless after a quick glance.
>it is nothing special in my eyes.

What does that say about you?

>>10636809
REI = Mac
Icy = Micro&Soft PC

>>10637086
Icy was a Mac fan actually.

>>10633075
sounds like he's regurgitating things I could learn from other people and trying to intimidate people into submitting themselves to his will. Typical LHP FAGGOT

>>10633907
You going to pretend your lineage consists of philosophers, scholars, artists, scientists, and other great intellectuals and deliberately misunderstand and continue to evade what is a good point. Dead is dead. The Ancient Greeks valued legacy as a kind of immorality, as you are doing, but the passages references in the Odyssey demonstrate they at least suspected it was a very poor consolation.

>>10637113
>trying to intimidate people into submitting themselves to his will

What does that even mean? That he is trying to convience people of certain things, like everyone else on the planet? Or is it the intimidation thing you don't, that he swears a lot.

>>10637121
There's no good point there. "Dead is dead" means you don't understand the other side of the argument at all. There are men who are immortal because they continue to influence people in extremely great ways today. Some ancient era slave who spent his life putting stones on top of other stones may have "influenced" the cosmos to a degree, but a degree that is so laughably small that no one would ever bother to consider it. Meanwhile, you have philosophers who are still read and discussed, and who shape and form entire fields of study, and drastically change how men think with the powerful, ingenious words they left behind. And they didn't do that for the fame of it; they did it because they were destined to, something else that Christians refuse to acknowledge.

>>10637078
I read his first fifty aphorisms and thought there was nothing profound about them. I'v read the complete works of Nietzsche and like aphoristic writing when its done well.

>>10637169
I understand the other side perfectly. It's you who's having difficulties because you want to wax philosophical about the lasting meaningful nature of influence like some pubescent jenkem huffing faggot. Archilles himself makes the point, retard. Dead is dead.

>>10637113
He is the type of guy who hasn't had any genuine experiences. He hasn't seen. He's just a philosophizer. You can tell because he ascribes everything to personal mental states alone, when the truth is that there are intelligent forces in this world that are wholly Other. They act externally on and through us, not the other way around. There are spirits in this sublunary realm that covet physical form. They don't resent it. They want it. They can move minds better than physical objects, so that's how they work. We are used as intermediate puppets through acts of influence to move and shape the physical world for them, until we start to get a real notion of what is going on it will keep happening. We used to know all about this stuff in the distant past but we've forgotten now thanks to nonsense like logical positivism. He does this anemic power fantasy stuff like proclaiming that he is God because he's arrogant and clueless.

>>10637191
Say what you will. Icy makes it clear: the future does not care about people who do not care about the future, like yourself. The very manner of which our society currently runs is proof of the concept.

>>10637213
The future doesn't care about those who care about it or those who don't, mongoloid. Shove your New Age bullshit up your cramhole.

>>10637207
Other than this statement >He is the type of guy who hasn't had any genuine experiences

Nothing else you said made sense; and that statement is just wrong if you've looked even closely at his personal life and interests. You aren't addressing any of points or tenants and seem to be moving away from with a whole bunch of empty words.

>>10637235
>The future doesn't care about those who care about it
Tell me what you think caring about the future means.

>>10637253
I can't articulate a lot of these experiences to you in a way that you'd find rationally fitting. If you want to write me off as a kook that's fine. I'm starting to understand that it's a thing that I's best get used to hearing, so I have to learn to take it in good stride. People like this guy don't understand that this world is also spirit world, among other things. This academic and new age inclination to subsume everything within the purview of mental states is completely incorrect. There are other external forces and intelligences at play.

>>10637151
>That he is trying to convience people of certain things, like everyone else on the planet?
smart and strong minds who will spread his ideas, every notion and sign is charged with intent and the power/will of its creator. He knows this, anyone who studies esotericism carefully knows that where you got information from, though it does not determine the validity of the information (as liberals and christians will tell you) it does tell you about intent and whether its good to repeat or subsume into your own mind.
>swearing
no I like vulgar language and calling people subhumans, I just don't trust lunatic LHP egoists to be safe in their dealings, to not invite forces that are dangerous into play and to not try to use me as a chattel for their ends. Study Satanism and Thelema for more about this kind of mind domination. People actively try to use each other for philosphical and spiritual ends. Just as people abuse and deceive each other in politics, war, business and sex. we're all in competition, war of all-against-all as Hobbes put it, you'd do well to be mindful of which people you let into your head.

>>10637253
>Nothing else you said made sense

It makes sense to me (and it's true), and I'm sure it makes sense to many others too. The fact that you're mentally and spiritually deficient doesn't mean that what you can't comprehend is "nonsense".

What did RYE mean by this?

>>10637277
> LHP egoists
Left-hand path?

>Just as people abuse and deceive each other in politics, war, business and sex. we're all in competition, war of all-against-all as Hobbes put it, you'd do well to be mindful of which people you let into your head.

I assure you, my reasons for wanting to absorb icy's ideas are entirely selfish and egotistical. That's really how you get 'safe', any other motive for learning is reactive, which means you are in one way or another someone's bitch.

Other than that I think you

>>10637277
> LHP egoists
Left-hand path?

>Just as people abuse and deceive each other in politics, war, business and sex. we're all in competition, war of all-against-all as Hobbes put it, you'd do well to be mindful of which people you let into your head.

I assure you, my reasons for wanting to absorb icy's ideas are entirely selfish and egotistical. That's really how you get 'safe', any other motive for learning is reactive, which means you are in one way or another someone's bitch.

>>10637301
Are you stupid

>>10637275
I understand you dude.

>>10637277
I call it the play of the Gods. ;)..

>>10632876
I know who IC is, but who is this dood on the left?

>>10637615
REI, the author Mundus Millennialis. Who the fuck else?

>>10637730
*of

>>10636106
Uh oh, you can't say that here. The retards of /lit/ genuinely considered him insightful.

>>10637783
I never understood that particular meme, I know people here are dumb but Icycalm is so obviously full of shit

>>10637113
>and trying to intimidate people into submitting themselves to his will
That's not quite right. His writing style, while second nature to him no doubt, is actually much more nuanced and complex than you make it seem.

He is a serious reader of Nietzsche, and he adopts Nietzsche's very clever and brilliant understanding of writing in an intentionally challenging style, which is partly why Nietzsche wrote in aphorisms and structured them like a puzzle most of the time. The challenging style is part of the philosophy that is being imparted on the reader. It inspires those who are best suited for the philosophy: those who are motivated by a compelling adversary. It filters the cowards whose fee-fees get hurt easily and everyone else who possesses eyes and ears that aren't emotionally ready for the insights in the text. It's also the most natural way to express philosophy: philosophers love riddles, they love masks, they love exploring and they love dividing and conquering intellectually. Both Nietzsche and Icy are being real with themselves, which is what makes them free spirits.

And the harsh tone of Icy's writing fits his radical (as in, awesome) philosophy of pure science fiction love and madness. I couldn't imagine it any other way. It wouldn't be him if it was written otherwise; the same insights would not be available in the work otherwise. Just like a GOOD video game, he presents himself as a completely relentless force on the reader. There's no "forgiving" faggotry present in his work, you look at the challenge ahead and either step up to the plate and decipher the work and why he speaks in the tone that he does if you don't yet realize why (because he enjoys it, of course) and how it's important (because he has brilliant insights and his character is a good deal responsible for that), or you turn away like a coward and become a whiny bitch about it, making up excuses about his apparently "shallow" writing that boil down to "he's mean :(" and "I can't show him off to my pseud friends, because he'll hurt their fee-fees too, so I don't like him". Your move. And that is exactly the point of the writing style, to get you to make a move, which everyone who encounters his work does, whether they are conscious of it or not.

>tfw he's right

>>10637301

this is like one of the easier aphorisms from mundus

>>10637885
This whole post is about you admiring the chicanery of a sophist that you enjoy and probably want to grow to be like in your older age.
>the harsh tone of Icy's writing fits his radical (as in, awesome) philosophy
Wew. It's all ego-driven bs, friend.

>>10637916
>>10637345
Sorry, I'm a brainlet...

>>10633759
So how does Bukowski fit into that worldview?

>>10633360
You shouldn't be anxious. He is not out to make anyone anxious (except for his enemies, the sniveling dogs in the world seeking to destroy him, as part of a tactic), not to say that he really cares if he does make a bystander anxious. He is out to obliterate the cancers that he can see festering on the planet, no more, no less. He does this not because he is some sadistic asshole, but because he is deeply passionate about things, and if you are going to do right by the things you are passionate about, you will defend them to the death and without mercy, and if the things you are passionate about are, in a sense, ALL THE THINGS, all of life, especially the strong and the free spirits within it (if there is really a distinction between life and the strong; the weak certainly do not grant life to anything, they only take life away), then you must be a grand, merciless opponent to all forms of nihilism present in the world, which manifests itself in extremely devious and sly ways. It may sound crazy, and maybe even a little humorous, but Icy is really a lover, as was Nietzsche. Nietzsche called himself a tragic philosopher for good reason: to adore greatly means one must despise greatly too.

If you still get anxious, but can't ignore him, then you have only one option: do right by him. To do that, you have to stop extending yourself beyond your boundaries, which you are clearly doing. You have to reconcile the fact that you are weaker than him. As soon as you understand that, and overcome it, and the anxiety washes away, then you can better tend to what you are capable of doing, which is not playing at the level that he plays on, but maybe doing something else that can be valuable in a small way to society. If you are happy in your place and you do the contribution that you can and make the grandest sacrifices that you are able to, no one can hate you for that. You did what you could do. It's a lot better than being an anxious mess or worse, being a resentful piece of shit.

>>10637987
>masturbating this hard

>>10637987
>tfw can't tell if creative shitposting due to boredom or kid with next level daddy issues
I'm going to be kind and assume the former.

>>10637994
>how dare you say what you think in front of me
Fuck you too, dude.

>>10638000
Little bit of A, little bit of B. Nice trips.

Hmmm

>>10637885
Go to bed, Icycalm

>>10637987
Calm down. You've got too many ideas swirling around in your head; get some water or something man.

>>10637972

i couldn't make it simpler to understand without destroying meaning, but he is just outlining that organic life goes through four simple phases from conception to death. his discussion of plasma relates to later aphorisms of mutability of the self and the rest of the universe. you'll have to read the rest of those on your own. read his glossary and pay more attention to the colors if you still have problems

>>10638075
It's from an illustration from an alchemical treatise from the XV century.

>>10636923
>>10636967
he's clearly asking for evidence of discussion as a signifier of potential importance for him

>>10638038
little bit of B makes the A, anon.
B Superceded and dictatates truth, so maybes, doesnt work this way

>>10637987
I just dream that we hang out and maybe play video games
he acts courteous and friendly (so obviously it's some form of dream) but I still feel lots of threat radiating out from him

MM is just sublime, every entry seems so gracefully crafted, both stylistically, and logically.

>>10638103
Is that Yaldabaoth feeding of of Sophia's essence, and excreting it as souls onto Earth?

Damn...

>>10638347
Isn't this just a fallacy made poetic?

>>10638428
What is?

>>10638347
>Thus
dropped

icy is great, MM is parody

>>10637301
It's pseud bullshit. Don't worry about it.

>>10638297
I had a series of dreams about him. He's ridiculously happy in all of them, like he's on drugs, he also speaks only in rhymes, puns or alliteration.

rei is a cheeky lad while icycalm takes himself way too seriously

>>10638436
>when the hero fulfils his telos the hero fulfils his telos

>>10638515
>>10638428
I don't think so. The state of wise soul comes after fulfillment of telos, but it isn't equivalent with it.

>>10637078
Don't know why that pic is creeping me out. Maybe it's because the topic of the thread, I don't know...

Spoopy

>>10637987
I want to believe this is not him talking about himself.

>>10637885
>Nietzsche writes in a challenging style

>>10637363
Yeah me too

>>10639628
He's right tho

>>10630819

>2k18
>Being this autistic

Shiggity diggity. Might as well do your own tide pod challenge post, OP.

>>10640056
>using autistic as an insult
>current year

>>10640175
meanwhile icy calls people autistic retards all the time
truly this is a fated duel

>>10638461
THIS

>>10640175

There isn't going to be a confrontration between Icy and Rei because Rei will never get any followers

>The days of scientists and pseudo-scientists shutting thinking people up by spouting gibberish are over, and the reason for this is that shutting people up is a reactive move, while the active move is to lead people, and you can't lead anyone with gibberish (see one of my latest copy-cats, Mundus Millennialis, for a recent demonstration of that)

If this Rei's theories take off it will be with literal autistic that have a huge complex about their condition. Other than that I don't see him getting any followers.

>>10640175
Rei is just an Autphag clone.

Does anyone else here have a "blog"? I'd be interested to see it, assuming that it isn't autistic like MM or that icycalm dude, really just a poor man's nietzsche.

>>10640240
>literal autistic
id est: heroes, self-optimizing individuals
>>10640246
>Autphag
>neo-reactionary
REI is Aryanist, not neo-reactionary, pic related is from his blog.

>>10640240
Both are deeply uninteresting, it should become obvious if you take some time to read them.

>>10640264
Beyond a few narrow activities autistic people are severely impaired. As for the lexicon of Rei, this is what holds it back. If you can't communicate in a clear way you can't spread your ideas. Trying to brow-beat people over ignoring, what is intentionally obscured language, isn't going to win you any recruits either.

>>10640265
The sheer amount of gossip and rumors about icy alone should tell you he is interesting. The man leaves the internet for a year and there's speculation about why; if the average person on this website left the internet for a year would anyone even notice? Hell even e-celebs would probably be forgotten in a month or two.

>>10640354
I am not interested is rumours about an intellectual posturing e-celeb. But I guess pseuds and imbeciles do care.

>>10637987
Well hello there Anthony 'Alex "Icycalm" Kierkegaard' Zirbas.

>>10640354
He's just a conartist looking to dupe brainlets and stroke his own ego. Is there any real surprise that these rudderless betafags would cling a bad male role model? He's like the shitty step dad they always wanted.

>>10640558
seconded

>>10640558
He's a pretty shitty con-artist than given the amount of money he must make off his sites.

>>10640573
Never claimed he was good at his work, but he did make one decent haul of $160k+.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20010523&slug=fraud23m

>>10640553
>tfw I invented that minimeme

>>10640605
Why do you even care about this thing? Did he take your monies?

>>10639686
How is that “challenging”? LMAO
It’s pathetically affected, not “challenging”. I think the “challenged” one here is you yourself.

>>10640814
>It’s pathetically affected
I'm sorry anon.

>>10640814
nietzsche says little and implies much
obviously you're a genius that can grasp everything ever written though

>>10640841
No, you’re just intellectually deficient.

>>10640838
It's not that hard to understand, Nietzsche is saying that fundamentally he would rather not believe in gods because their existence would make him feel insecure (about not also being a god). It's more convenient to disbelieve in them. Nietzsche was open and honest like that. Just like how he considered the death of God a tragedy. Anyway, Nietzsche is very simple, people fail to understand him because it is THEY who are muddled and convoluted not HIM.

>>10640858
Nietzsche wasn’t honest, he was a poser —a hubristic poser, and that’s what icycalm, and Nietzsche have in common.

>>10640875
Nietzsche was very humble and unassuming, he was neither hubristic nor a poser.

>>10640895
calling nietzsche humble is pretty humble
the guy said he would split history in half

>>10640927
It was an objective estimation of his own writing, not a brag. He was correct.

>>10640950
so he's self-assured, not humble
if you're humble you're either unimpressive or lying

>>10640875
t. icycalm

>>10640927
Humility is relative to each person. What would be arrogaunt statement to a peasant, especially the Christian kind, would be appropriate for a great man.

In other words people are not equal so the amount of glory they acquire is not equal either. But if it makes you feel better about sucking you can always poo-poo the big guys whenever they speak about their accomplishments. Maybe you are even better than them because you never brag about your accomplishments (which is pretty easy when you have none).

>>10640972
It's not humility to pretend that you're worse than you really are. Nietzsche accurately and objectively assessed the value of his work. That is not in any way contrary to humility. Neither is self-assurance, by the way.

>>10640985
Why would icycalm denigrate himself? Do you even know what the words “hubristic”, and “poser” mean?

>>10640240
>Rei will never get any followers

I've been following his work for a couple years now. Just because the majority cannot comprehend nor apprehend nor understand what he writes does not mean there are not people who do.

>>10640684
Sup, Icy, How're things?

I didn't know /lit/ had lolcow threads.

>>10640354
>As for the lexicon of Rei, this is what holds it back. If you can't communicate in a clear way you can't spread your ideas. Trying to brow-beat people over ignoring, what is intentionally obscured language, isn't going to win you any recruits either.

1. "Winning recruits" is not the purpose of his work. Read the preamble. He himself acknowledged that most people will not understand, much less care.

2. Rei's use of language is clear and concise. It is the fact that the american mastery of english is sub-par and improper that people like you find it difficult to understand what he says. Eloquence at his level is rare, but by no means unintelligible.

3. He does not intentionally obfuscate anything. You have to rise up to meet the meaning of his aphorisms, not reduce it to lesser parts and thus come to an inferior understanding. To you it seems like Rei is an obscurant because frankly, you are not on his level, spiritually or mentally.

>>10637027
>MM seems absolutely worthless after a quick glance

A quick glance = superfluity

>>10641153
yeah, if you're retarded. Part of being not retarded is being able to figure things out quickly.

>>10641088
>read as: git on my level, fuckbooooi

I find it pathetic, but mildly amusing, that icycalm is basically the typical bully, being dependent on “beta orbiters” for clout in order to do anything. Ironic that someone who claims to be so above the “mass of untermenschen” so desperately wants to gather that mass around him...

>>10641193
This.

>muh followers
>muh recruits
>muh crime = ubermesch

>>10638428

>made poetic?

Dude.

>>10641193
ironic that he talks like an unmastered pseud and his acolytes are weak minds who can’t express themselves beyond talking like 16 year old thelemites

>>10641193
>>10641212
He already answered this in this aphorism, if not more that I'm forgetting

>>10641168
>yeah, if you're retarded

No, the act of glancing at something affords a cursory understanding of a thing. When you "figure things out" by glancing at a thing, you are drawing upon previous knowledge that is either tangentially or directly related to the thing.

>Part of not being retarded is being able to figure things out quickly.

Then why don't people understand Rei's work? Why don't people understand Nietzsche at a glance? Is it because they're retarded? Or because they are retarded in relation to them?

>>10641237
Hello, Tony...

>>10641088
>"Winning recruits" is not the purpose of his work. Read the preamble.

Whether it is this year or a few years in the future the clarity of the words will remain the same. And thus his ability to get people to actually absorb his thinking will not increase in the future. If anything it will lower because the standards for clarity in thought continue to rise over time.

I understand mystical concepts are difficult to put into words, I've been there myself.


>you are not on his level, spiritually or mentally
Spare me the brow-beating; that's boring and no one buys that. Why don't you actually point to something he said you think is clever?

>>10641245
>I need to gather a follow of retards in order to truly see myself in reflection
a literal chimpanzee

>>10637987
Hi Icy

>>10641252
>Why don't you actually point to something he said you think is clever?

Every. Single. Word. he wrote is clever.

>>10641168
>>10637027

Anthony, I doubt you’re capable of more than glances...

>>10641252
Believe it, or, some persons value quality over quantity

>>10641252
>Spare me the brow-beating; that's boring and no one buys that. Why don't you actually point to something he said you think is clever?

It has nothing to do with being clever for the sake of being clever.

"TRUTH MUST BE ARTICULATED AS CONCISELY AS POSSIBLE; EXPLAIN TOO MUCH, AND TRUTH BECOMES OPINION; EXPLICATE TOO MUCH, AND KNOWLEDGE BECOMES DATA; EXPOUND TOO MUCH, AND THE MURMUR OF REMEMBRANCE IS LOST IN THE STREAM OF DISCOURSE."

nobody who regularly posts in this shithole can be an intellectual therefore rei is wrong

>>10641409
but why should we believe a pseud like you on that statement?

>>10641432
oh sire, these are the words of no great scholar but merely the accumulated scraps of wisdom from a lowly serf as myself
verily

>>10640175
>I know nothing about neurology yet I'm spouting bullshit

Fuck, these threads are entertaining.

>>10641365
>EXPLAIN TOO MUCH, AND TRUTH BECOMES OPINION

So he's a silly man that still doesn't know 'truth' is just a short hand for a very well support opinion. The fact that he doesn't see that not only means that particular quote is weak but everything else he says about the nature of knowledge and truth. Stuff like this is why Rei needs his obscurantism because with out he the weakness of his thoughts are too apparent.

>>10638393
Mfw you understand the implications of these, the feeder and the eater.

>EXPLAIN TOO MUCH, AND TRUTH BECOMES OPINION

So he's a silly man that still doesn't know 'truth' is just a short hand for a very well support opinion. The fact that he doesn't see that not only means that particular quote is weak but everything else he says about the nature of knowledge and truth is also weak. Stuff like this is why Rei needs his obscurantism because with out it the weakness of his thoughts are too apparent.

>>10641469
>I would rather go to a library than to a party.
>I am fascinated by numbers.
>I notice patterns in things all the time.
>I find it hard to make new friends.
>I tend to notice details that others do not.
A disorder based on having difficulty interacting with normalfags and liking numbers, patterns, things, etc is not a real disorder. Low-functioning autistics are cognitively impaired, high-functioning autistics are metahuman.

>>10641569

icycalm says the same shit in an aphorism

465. Is perception stronger than truth? But perception is truth, and the strongest perception is the strongest truth (aka the Truth, i.e. this philosophy).

also

573. Every important problem in philosophy can be solved in a couple of sentences. It is the details that require more space. To be sure, the details too are important, but, philosophically at least, only to the extent that they make the brief solutions more understandable to those who, without them, would not be able to understand them. Apart from that, the details are also important to the scientists, since all the sciences have always begun as "details" taken by them from philosophical texts, and then carefully tested and greatly expanded on (regardless of the fact that no scientist would ever admit, or even realize this. It is in the nature of the scientist to have a limited view of the knowledge-forming process, including of the history, and even more of the prehistory, of his own science, and of course ultimately, and to an even greater extent, of science itself.)

>>10641594
>tfw adhd with an inkling of that i may also have aspergers

What does this impose about the meta of the person that I am?

>>10640265
>Both are deeply uninteresting
Most likely because you have nothing to do with the 21st century. Otherwise, you'd see his value.

When I think of Rei's concept of 'metahumans', this is one of the first things that comes to mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoxsMMV538U


I don't know what she is, or what she's capable of. It might not be autism. I don't know how she manages to go day by day. Neither do psychologists either. He's completely right in how the idea of autism has become synonymous with retard, and how destructive that is. Legitimate autistic people are better than normies.

>>10641594
mycophagy===superhuman
bacteriophagy=====hyperhuman
pure chemophagy===============god

>>10641602
Jesus christ this is top tier cringe material
>It is the nature
look at me mom I can write like a 19th century intellectual
>It is in the nature of the scientist to have a limited view of the knowledge-forming process, including of the history, and even more of the prehistory, of his own science, and of course ultimately, and to an even greater extent, of science itself
Yeah if you ignore the fact that the vast majority of historians of science are scientists.
>465. Is perception stronger than truth? But perception is truth, and the strongest perception is the strongest truth (aka the Truth, i.e. this philosophy).
This reads like Foucault if he had a double digit IQ

>>10641602
Icy does not go onto say that truth and opinions are different things while that quote from Rei seems to indicate, Rei does beleive that (truth could only 'become opinion' as Rei communicated if they are fundmentally different things. If they were the same thing it would not make any sense to say one becomes another).

See

>818. It is astonishing to me that popularizing scribblers like Dawkins et al. still adhere to a fundamental difference between "facts" and "opinions"...........

>>10641632
>This reads like Foucault if he had a double digit IQ
1. You just retroactively analyzed Foucault's writing style to be more stylistic than it was within the context of the time it was produced.
2. You just revealed that you're more interested in style than substance.

Thanks for demonstrating your lack of credibility on the matter.

>>10641632

there are no arguments here

>>10641640

rei's entire philosophy and structure relies on symbolic logic to present truths. his opinions are facts because they're more powerful than everyone else's

>>10641594
It is a real disorder. Go read about it and stop being deluded.

>>10641604
That you are not special

>>10641674
Well no one is truly special, we all have potential to be greater than equal.

>>10641674
Best post in this thread.

>>10641681
>muh potential
i.e. the philosophy of "I'll get it done tomorrow"

>>10641650
>>10641650
The fact that you managed to extrapolate all of that despite me not specifying if my critique was on the level of substance or style shows that:
1. Ur gay
2. U need a good dicking

Also
>>>10641650
The fact that you managed to extrapolate all of that despite me not specifying if my critique was on the level of substance or style shows that:
1. Ur gay
2. U need a good dicking

Also
>You just revealed that you're more interested in style than substance
But style IS substance, amirite fellow pseuds huehuehuehue

>>10641709
phoneposting - not even once

>>10641695
Nah, Im actually doing it, I understand the logical constructs one must fabricate so they may perceive the fundamentals to build their self.

I write poetry for fun, exercise, study religion and philosphy. I know what it takes to rule an empire, and Im going to build my nest.

We are all greater than equal
1>=
All is objective
Equal is subjective

>>10641671
>rei's entire philosophy and structure relies on symbolic logic to present truths

It sounds like what you are saying is that it is mystical in language; he is after all a Gnostic.

>his opinions are facts because they're more powerful than everyone else's
By what metric? Is anyone getting anything out of this and using it to build bigger things or become more powerful people? From what I've seen Rei pushes people in the opposite direction, to totally reject the world and just live in their head with Sophia like he does.

Where's the power in a man that rejects the material world; the battlefield? Aren't you decreasing your own people if you subscribed to such a thought. I'm not saying mysticism is bad, mysticism where you never leave your head and never flex your power in the physical world is weakness.

>>10641709
>style IS substance
It is, but if you prefer one over the other, you clearly don't think so.

Mind = World
Body = Substance
Soul = Individual

>>10641735
Well, you sure are full of yourself Mr. Emporer.

>>10641798
Mind = that part of the body that seeks to separate itself from it
Body = all that there is
Soul = a useful concept employed by the body to understand certain things

>>10641782
lol fuck off you dumb fucking faggot I'm using my truth bending rhetorical powers to assert that truth is indipendent of rhetoric
What now you little faggot? Are you going to cry? Are you going to back to whatever shithole you came from and suck on Icycalm's juicy pseudointellectual penis?

>>10641818
You are creating a duality between the outer and inner, there is no need.

The substance is the way to interact between the two (body)

The land is the play that defines our needs, and gives us the place for our sight to land. (Mind)

The individual is the aspect that gives definition to inner and outer, the one who contemplates the constrast as the part between (Soul)

>>10641762

>By what metric? Is anyone getting anything out of this and using it to build bigger things or become more powerful people? From what I've seen Rei pushes people in the opposite direction, to totally reject the world and just live in their head with Sophia like he does.

its a path that he's chosen, but the book isn't done yet. also nobody really knows anything tangible about him. he mentions that his ideal way to die would be as a soldier on the battlefield. his neetdom is a form of protest


>Where's the power in a man that rejects the material world; the battlefield? Aren't you decreasing your own power if you subscribed to such a thought.

definitely not. the whole point is that the material world has very little value in the first place

>>10641812
But Im not, Im just telling you my own worth.

How popular is this Mundus guy on places like /x/? I lived with an /x/-tard in college and am curious what they read. The sites he told me to look up were entertaining in a "I can't believe people believe this" kind of way.

>>10641854
Most of /x/ doesnt read

>>10641762
>It sounds like what you are saying is that it is mystical in language; he is after all a Gnostic.
Pic related is the glossary entry he has for God and totality, what part of his language is mystical?
>Is anyone getting anything out of this
Do you want people to raise their hands and say, "Yes, this work changed my life"? It's given words to disparate thoughts I've had, and it's exposed me to some ideas that I have not had.
>using it to build bigger things or become more powerful people?
Perhaps, we won't know until 20 or 30 years from now what changes the Millennial generation causes. Perhaps Nick Land, or Jordan Peterson, or icycalm, or some other thinker will have a more widespread impact, maybe there'll be a resurgence of some long-dead thinker. I don't know. You might value the changes a thinker has on the empirical world, others might value the way a thinker changes one's own thoughts and not care about what impact it has on them otherwise.
>to totally reject the world
To want to optimize all units within the world via love and fury is not rejection. He does advocate transcendence of a perfected world.
>just live in their head with Sophia like he does
if you did not gather that the point of the work is to get people to realize what is imperative, necessary, and requisite and then to perform those acts within the world then you did not understand or closely read it.
>Where's the power in a man that rejects the material world; the battlefield?
He does not advocate this; he does advocate transcendence of a perfected world. I'm certain that he recognizes where and how this battle must be fought.
>Aren't you decreasing your own people if you subscribed to such a thought.
"your own people" is an ethnocentric idea, REI is aryocentric

>>10641854

not popular at all since philosophy isn't trendy at all, and not really easy to understand either

>>10641861
What do the minority of them that do read then?
>>10641871
They love learning off quotes that sound deep though/

>>10641834
>definitely not. the whole point is that the material world has very little value in the first place

People that think this won't be very motivated to fight control over it; which means they will have very little power. If you really think the stronger answer is the true one the conclusion is that seeing no value in the material world is wrong. In other words Rei is on the far end of the spectrum of being 'wrong'.

Relevant quotes

>Once blasphemy against God was the greatest blasphemy; but God died, and those blasphemers died along with him. Now to blaspheme against the earth is the greatest sin, and to rank love for the Unknowable higher than the meaning of the earth!

> tl;dr: For the healthy man the only thing that matters is his goal. And happiness can never be that goal. The goal has to be external to you — some piece of work or other, some feat, some achievement — not internal. Fuck the Indian gurus and the Zen morons. Indian gurus and Zen morons do not make space shuttles and genetic engineering programs, and that's why they are extinct. Don't become one of them — if you can. If you can't, on the other hand, nothing you do or say will matter in the long run, and that's the whole point I am trying to make here.

The icy one is slightly out of context but it's still relevant.

>his neetdom is a form of protest
He is a neet because he has doesn't have the employable skills to get a decent job or the cunning to be a criminal. His only job experience was at fucking mcdonalds. So his neetdom is a reaction to his sorrow state. It's one thing to be in that situation it's another to try and be disillusion and say you are doing it out of 'protest'

>>10641906
>What do the minority of them that do read then?
Things like pic related

>>10641911

>People that think this won't be very motivated to fight control over it; which means they will have very little power. If you really think the stronger answer is the true one the conclusion is that seeing no value in the material world is wrong. In other words Rei is on the far end of the spectrum of being 'wrong'.

where you've completely fucked up is that you think that ascribing to hermeticism would put you in more immediate danger because you aren't trying to release power. not only is that wrong, but rei glorifies the 'hero' above any other type of individual in his work. and indeed the hero is capable of releasing his power as destruction, and eventually to rebuild. he may not practice what he preaches but his philosophy is consistent throughout


>He is a neet because he has doesn't have the employable skills to get a decent job or the cunning to be a criminal. His only job experience was at fucking mcdonalds. So his neetdom is a reaction to his sorrow state. It's one thing to be in that situation it's another to try and be disillusion and say you are doing it out of 'protest'

lol no you have no idea. when you have a mind like that working any 'job' is beneath you

>>10641925
The Joyce on that list is just to give the rest of the crap legitimacy.

>>10641906
The just read more posts on /x/ to further their delusion, no joke

>>10633575
Holy..... I wan't more.....

>>10641911
>tl;dr: For the healthy man the only thing that matters is his goal. And happiness can never be that goal. The goal has to be external to you — some piece of work or other, some feat, some achievement — not internal.
This is so true! But one must also tame their inner tempations through spiritual understanding.

>>10641948
>he may not practice what he preaches

How so? He’s in the military

>>10633075
>the strong creature inserts itself wherever it feels its strength, and ultimately in itself. To believe so much in oneself as to become one's own religion. And people think that I am an atheist. I am not an atheist, I am God.
If there was ever a time to use a fedora reaction image...

>>10642029
I AM A GOLDEN GOD

>>10642027

wasn't aware of that, might be intentional misinformation on whether he's a neet or a soldier

>>10641863
That's a pretty fucking mystical concept of God dude. This stuff totally disinterests me because it's been said before and said better. I've even experienced things personally that would qualify as this sort union with the god-head he is talking about.

I'm not trying to condensing but I'm getting the impression you aren't very broad in your knowledge of philosophical thinking: you're grouping in icycalm, a philosopher, with Jordon Peterson a popularizer of philosophy.

>>10642045
Well, obviously he was neet before the military...

>>10642055
>icycalm, a philosopher

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

>>10642069
Even a talentless hack of a philosopher is better than Peterson.

>>10642082
>missing the point this hard

Uh, look buddie, icycalm is not a philosopher at all —he’s a sophist.

>>10642096
ah, but didn't nietzsche identify the sophists as philosophers?

>>10642061
>>10642027
Hope he gets killed tbqh

>>10641948
I really don't know how to articulate this presciously. But everything you are describing, and what I've read from Rei, seems reactive. Reactive in the sense of how icycalm uses the word.

He can't get a job that he would be happy doing, or get his money through a way other than a job (crime, being an investment wiz, etc.) so he's NEET.

He doesn't like the modern world, probably because he sucks at it, so he talks about how it needs to be destroyed.

His brand of mystism, and this is certainly not true of every brand of Gnostic or Hermeitism, is a reaction to how much he sucks at the physical world so he escapes into his mind. That's really what all his talk about unity with God is.

I'm not dissing this sort of talk about union with the god-head or whatever. I know those thoughts and have great respect for them when they are presented in healthy forms.

>>10642138
>He doesn't like the modern world, probably because he sucks at it, so he talks about how it needs to be destroyed.
Some heavy-hitting analysis going on here.

>>10642069
Who are your favorite philosophers?

>>10642096
>>10642069
>>>/r/eddit or take all of your meds at once autist, your choice
>>10641447
terrible
>>10641247
kek
>>10640972
his self-assessment was correct, he is the most important philosopher of the 19th century
>>10640264
this is pure pseudery
>>10640175
>sionist feer da autist
that's why so many jews are autistic right?
>>10637332
yes Left-hand path, the shortcut to enlightenment through flame
>i am assuring you of my egotist retardation
> is a serious reader of Nietzsche, and he adopts Nietzsche's very clever and brilliant understanding of writing in an intentionally challenging style, which is partly why Nietzsche wrote in aphorisms and structured them like a puzzle most of the time
I don't see a resemblance between N's masks and this posers parrot speech
>It inspires those who are best suited for the philosophy: those who are motivated by a compelling adversary
This is a warning sign of wanting to dominate someone's mind, not a welcome for the strong. N didn't ask people to fight him, he wrote in the clouds and said plainly that he didn't care how few wings could soar to those heights, it wasn't a test, it was merely his strata of thought and weak souls can't climb those altitudes anon
>It filters the cowards whose fee-fees get hurt easily and everyone else who possesses eyes and ears that aren't emotionally ready for the insights in the text
everything he's said I've already seen before by reading the Upanishads, Tibetan Book of the Dead, Corpus Hermeticum, Kybalion, Genealogy of Morals, The Secret Doctrine, talking with autistic Chaos Magicians online
>Both Nietzsche and Icy are being real with themselves, which is what makes them free spirits
this equivocating is grotesque
>vidya
>your move
>come fight me bro
>bet you're not man enough to take all this dicking from daddy icycalm
>to get you to make a move, which everyone who encounters his work does, whether they are conscious of it or not.
LHP predator speak, the prey has to react to you, the betas have to react to you, you threaten but don't act, you provide imminent danger but don't aggressor fully, you intimidate but don't annihilate. This is unhealthy and you've been predated upon by a stronger mind. I'm not falling for this shit nigger

>>10637885
this >>10642202 was meant for you anon, i'm terribly sorry for breaking the reply

>>10641834
Rei isn't able to work, just read his short story http://www.undergroundbooks.org/the-kitchen-poet/ronald-mcdonald-rei-koz

>>10642202
>LHP predator speak
Just to clarify you believe in satanists having power.

>>10642212
>
I SPENT APPROXIMATELY ONE HOUR AND A HALF “CLEANING” THE “PLAYGROUND” APPARATUSES, AND “LOITERING” IN THE “PLAYGROUND AREA”. I WAS ALONE THE ENTIRE TIME, EXCEPT FOR APPROXIMATELY FIFTEEN MINUTES, WHEN A “MIDDLE AGED” & SLIGHTLY OVERDRESSED WOMAN SAT AT A TABLE IN THE “PLAYGROUND AREA” TO EAT A “BIG MAC”. SHE SEEMED LONELY, AND APPARENTLY SHE HAD DYED HER HAIR “REDORANGE”, MOST PROBABLY BECAUSE HER PHEOMELANIN PRODUCTION DECREASED DUE TO OLDAGE, CAUSING HER HAIR FOLLICLES TO PRODUCE “WHITE HAIRS”, OF WHICH SHE WAS ASHAMED.

>>10642226
is this douglas adams

>>10642138
>But everything you are describing, and what I've read from Rei, seems reactive.
REI describes the beliefs of the ideal person, the hero, as proactive.
Funny that both REI and icycalm view Hitler positively, but for very different reasons. REI believes he was fighting a noble battle against the ignoble, and that Hitler wanted to create a world populated by the platonic ideal of mankind, the Aryan. REI likely views Hitler as very near his ideal person, the wise soul. icycalm respects him for his proactivity, to genuinely lead, but cares little for the direction he was going in, just that he had a strong will and the ability and drive to actualize it; icycalm loves the strong and abhors the weak.
I would not describe REI as reactive, but that he sets up ideals and goals that are not aligned with the status quo or with those who currently hold power, just as Hitler had goals and ideals not aligned with the status quo of his time. You can call that reactive or ressentiment or whatever; he does not oppose them because they have power, but because they do not use power in an optimal way, id est for the purpose of transcending the world instead of perpetuating the evils and suffering within it.
>He can't get a job that he would be happy doing, or get his money through a way other than a job (crime, being an investment wiz, etc.) so he's NEET.
Or perhaps he's opposed to the capitalist system itself; not everyone shares your goals and values.
>He doesn't like the modern world, probably because he sucks at it, so he talks about how it needs to be destroyed.
He disagrees with the ideals that the modern world holds; to suck at a game you do not want to play says nothing about the abilities of the person in question.
>His brand of mystism... is a reaction to how much he sucks at the physical world so he escapes into his mind.
You keep saying that he escapes into his mind, when his beliefs are meant to be actualized within this world, our world, the physical. He does not advocate ascetically retiring as a hermit (at least not until one has completed one's heroic duty)
>I'm not dissing this sort of talk about union with the god-head or whatever. I know these thoughts and have great respect for them when they are presented in healthy forms.
In what way is REI's perspective "unhealthy"? I doubt that you have read or comprehended what REI wrote. It seems to me you gathered some ideas from glancing at his work, categorized it with some other people you've read before, and now are dismissing him based on the category you've assigned to him instead of actually addressing his ideas in themselves.

>>10642202
>N didn't ask people to fight him

Zarathustra, On War and Warrior-Peoples:
>By our best enemies we do not want to be spared, nor by those whom we love from the ground up. So let me now tell you the truth! My brothers in warfare! I love you from the ground up; I am and have been of your kind. And I am also your best enemy. I know about the hatred and envy in your hearts. You are not great enough not to know hatred and envy. So be great enough then not to be ashamed of them! [...] I do not spare you; I love you from the ground up, my brothers in war! —

Zarathustra, On the Friend:
>One should honor even the enemy in one's friend. Can you step up close to your friend without going over to him? In one's friend one should have one's best enemy. You should be closest to him in your heart when you strive against him.

Zarathustra, On the Bestowing Virtue:
>Alone I go now, my disciples! You too must go away now, and alone. Thus I will it. Verily, I counsel you: go away from me and guard yourselves against Zarathustra! And better still: be ashamed of him! Perhaps he has deceived you. The man of understanding must be able not only to love his enemies, but also to hate his friends. One repays a teacher poorly if one always remains only a student. And why would you not pluck at my wreath? You revere me; but what if your reverence should some day collapse? Be careful lest a statue fall and kill you! You say you believe in Zarathustra? But what does Zarathustra matter? You are my believers: but what do any believers matter? You had not yet sought yourselves: then you found me. Thus do all believers: that is why all belief is worth so little. Now I bid you lose me and find yourselves; and only when you have all denied me will I return to you. Verily, with different eyes, my brothers, shall I then seek my lost ones; with a different love shall I then love you. And once more you shall have become my friends and children of one hope: then will I be with you for the third time, that I may celebrate the Great Midday with you. And this is the Great Midday, when the human stands in the middle of its path between beast and Overman and celebrates its way to evening as its highest hope: for it is the way to a new morning. Then will the one who goes under bless himself, that he may be one who goes over; and the sun of his understanding will stand at midday for him. "Dead are all Gods: now we want the Overman to live" — may this be at the Great Midday our ultimate will! —

>>10642202
Also,

>everything he's said I've already seen before by reading the Upanishads, Tibetan Book of the Dead, Corpus Hermeticum, Kybalion, Genealogy of Morals, The Secret Doctrine, talking with autistic Chaos Magicians online
No one has written what he has on video games, first of all. So right off the bat you are wrong. I doubt you have even read all of OotW. Besides, messages have always been repeated through history — and the best and timeless ones more than the rest.

>>10642322
>Or perhaps he's opposed to the capitalist system itself; not everyone shares your goals and values.

His story isn't that he decided he didn't like capitilism and exited the system. His story, as this guy reminds us
>>10642226
Is that he entered the job market and left after seeing the only ones he could do were miserable.

>to suck at a game you do not want to play says nothing about the abilities of the person in question.
His motives to me really seem to be from a lack of ability. And since modern world is the only 'game' and he doesn't want to play it: isn't that what is called life-denying?

> I doubt that you have read or comprehended what REI wrote. It seems to me you gathered some ideas from glancing at his work, categorized it with some other people you've read before, and now are dismissing him based on the category you've assigned to him instead of actually addressing his ideas in themselves.

I'm not going to spend all my time reading someone who I think is a shallow, obscurest with a shitty, reactive spirituality. Every discussion about Mundus is empty until someone will come along and say "this is nothing" at which point another anon will chirp in and say "you don't get it" than the total non-discussion about his ideas and theories will resume, occasionally interrupted by snickering.

>>10642202
>>vidya
>>your move
>>come fight me bro
>>bet you're not man enough to take all this dicking from daddy icycalm
>>to get you to make a move, which everyone who encounters his work does, whether they are conscious of it or not.
>LHP predator speak, the prey has to react to you, the betas have to react to you, you threaten but don't act, you provide imminent danger but don't aggressor fully, you intimidate but don't annihilate. This is unhealthy and you've been predated upon by a stronger mind. I'm not falling for this shit nigger

Could you elborate on this? I feel like you are making a very strong point about Icycalm but I can't discern exactly what it is

>>10642404
>His story isn't that he decided he didn't like capitilism and exited the system. His story, as this guy reminds us
>>>10642226
>Is that he entered the job market and left after seeing the only ones he could do were miserable.
I don't know much about REI's personal life, I don't even know if that story is truthful or satirical. Perhaps he can get other jobs and chooses not to. I think he has stated that he is a NEET by choice at some point (and some ITT think he is in the military, which, to my knowledge, is false. I think he has stated that he will fight in WW3 against the Zionists and forces of hybridization). Regardless, a philosopher can live in a barrel and still provide insights into our world.
>I'm not going to spend all my time reading someone who I think is a shallow, obscurest with a shitty, reactive spirituality.
If you think he is being obscurest, I would ask you to explain his ideas in a more coherent form. Personally I find him far more readable and easier to understand than many other philosophers.
Also, I do not see his ideas as reactive, as I mentioned before. What makes you think that they are reactive, as opposed to proactive, as he characterizes them?
If you don't want to read him, you don't have to; no philosopher's work is essential.

Also, you did not answer my question:
>In what way is REI's perspective "unhealthy"?
I explained that REI is not trying to escape from the world, but is trying to change it, so I don't see why you perceive it as "unhealthy" that one would want to transcend a perfected world.

>>10642543


>Personally I find him far more readable and easier to understand than many other philosophers.
Honestly if that's true I think you should try to articulate some his thoughts. I don't mean here particularly but I have never seen any discussion of thoughts between two people that find him agreeable. I think he's full of shit but even bad philosophy has a course to run.


>What makes you think that they are reactive, as opposed to proactive, as he characterizes them?

There's a number of signs that correlate with reactive thoughts: for instance the fact that he is ugly, that he has a shtick against the Jews. Ugly people tend to have very vindictive outlooks because they have suffered. Zionists are powerful, or at least have a reputation as being powerful, so he hates them. Disliking strong, successful things is a good indictator of reactive thinking. The big thing is how he seems to hate modern society, which is a huge fucking chunk of reality.

>If you think he is being obscurest, I would ask you to explain his ideas in a more coherent form.
>In what way is REI's perspective "unhealthy"?
All reactive thinking is unhealthy in a general way because it decentrilizes power away from yourself, sinc you are no the one acting. I'll talk specifically about his concept of divinity because I really don't care about his thoughts on society and I believe I have a strong general understanding of mystical thinking.

I'm pretty sure his concept of divinity is not psychological: which to say the big God, Sophia, their various aspects are aspects of the self, or part of the big sphere of human thoughts (collective unconscious, pan-psychic reality, etc). He ascribes literal metaphysic aspects to them. His demiurge is a real boogy man.

This interpretation apart from being extremely stupid takes focus away from psychology which is where the real divinity is; personal psychology and a personal spirtual reality. His focus on 'dispersion' and aphorism #55 is depressing contemplate. He wants to die and psychologically disconnect from this world, to see himself folded into a greater 'whole' which in turn increases his standing by association. Him sucking at this world is part of it, but the real depression is that it's resignation. He's got his hopes pinned on big sudden miracle that will fix everything which is basically the last hope before giving up entirely.

Sorry if this is vague but I'm exhausted here.

>>10642674
Holy shit, hahahahah. If this isn't high level trolling, you're fucking moronic.

Wow...

>>10633575
I'd like to know more about this demon and how you know he has one inside him.

>>10642674
>Honestly if that's true I think you should try to articulate some his thoughts.
I can, but he does cover a pretty broad range, and most of my articulation will just be putting what he says into simpler, though less information dense words. For a few topics I could give more generalization, sacrificing information in the process.
>There's a number of signs that correlate with reactive thoughts: for instance the fact that he is ugly
Mocknecks are coming back in style, just you wait. ;)
>that he has a shtick against the Jews
Perhaps the Jews had a shtick against the other tribes they were by, and that type of thinking never left them?
>Zionists are powerful, or at least have a reputation as being powerful, so he hates them
He does not hate power, he opposes the sub-optimal use of power; naturally you likely believe that all uses of power by the powerful are justified, whereas he disagrees, and would refuse power if it meant that he would have to use it in the same way those with power currently are using it.
>Disliking strong, successful things is a good indictator of reactive thinking
If he does not value what the society values then he will not view them as strong or successful.
>The big thing is how he seems to hate modern society, which is a huge fucking chunk of reality.
Is it wrong to oppose society? Is it wrong to say that things should be drastically different? It's like you're saying that he has to value what society values, otherwise he's a failed individual. Not every society ever has held the values our current one holds, and people can consider those societies superior to our current one.
>All reactive thinking is unhealthy...
Most of his writing is about how someone should act in this world.
>which to say the big God, Sophia
"the big God" and "Sophia" are not the same being; the latter, wisdom, is the conduit to the former; the rest of that paragraph is either incoherent, or far removed from what he has actually written.
>This interpretation...
Read and put into practice the aphorisms in pic related if you think that he has no focus on personal psychology and personal spiritual reality. Analyze his ideas and see if he is correct about the relationship between the "imaginal self," "conscious self," and "unconscious self." These ideas have been covered before by other thinkers, but this is a far more concise presentation with observations one can perform on the self.
>His focus on 'dispersion'
He uses "disperses" in one aphorism and "dispreads" twice in one aphorism. I do not think he is focused on this concept.
>aphorism #55
I do not find it depressing. I am attached to my parents and relatives not by choice. He remembers the power struggle by his parents, and the defiance he held towards them, see aphorism 57.
>He wants to die
Only if he dies the hero's death
>psychologically disconnect...
not sure where you got that; he wants to be a hero, not "folded into a greater whole"
>He's got his hopes
Faith, not hope, aphorism 188

>>10642674

Yeah... at this point you need to tackle the work head on before making any more posts.

>he is ugly

Ridiculous personal attack.

>that he has a shtick against the Jews

The 'Jews' in Mundus are not 'all of the Jews', but yes he believes that there is a battle between good and evil that is mostly clear cut. The Jews happen to be on the wrong side of it.

>All reactive thinking is unhealthy in a general way because it decentrilizes power away from yourself, sinc you are no the one acting

One of the tricks that Icycalm plays on himself (and you) is running the game on yourself to believe that you're God. You can get tangible results this way through pure self deception, but it means little when there are things in this world that do not need to deceive themselves at all.

>Disliking strong, successful things is a good indictator of reactive thinking.

Reaction is the necessary first step in being proactive whether you want to admit that or not. The past has already been created, and continues to be created by the future. Proactivity is merely a superior process that comes from reactive thinking, which he has already begun explaining.


>The big thing is how he seems to hate modern society, which is a huge fucking chunk of reality.

There are many negative aspects of modern society that need to be destroyed, you make no sense when you try to shame him into not enjoying modern society, or being able to find value in a job. You don't even know if he took that job as a motivation to have money. You clearly haven't even read enough of OOTW either, because you'd know that work for the sake of work is subhuman. The work that Rei wants to put into this world is finishing Mundus and being a soldier (?), not working at McDonalds or scamming old ladies (haha).

>This interpretation apart from being extremely stupid takes focus away from psychology which is where the real divinity is; personal psychology and a personal spirtual reality. His focus on 'dispersion' and aphorism #55 is depressing contemplate. He wants to die and psychologically disconnect from this world, to see himself folded into a greater 'whole' which in turn increases his standing by association.

You hate the best aphorism in the whole work? Its life affirming in itself to be one that is zero.

>I'm pretty sure his concept of divinity is not psychological: which to say the big God, Sophia, their various aspects are aspects of the self, or part of the big sphere of human thoughts (collective unconscious, pan-psychic reality, etc). He ascribes literal metaphysic aspects to them. His demiurge is a real boogy man.

God is real, but only knowable through Sophia.

>He's got his hopes pinned on big sudden miracle that will fix everything which is basically the last hope before giving up entirely.

He doesn't frame anything as a matter of hope, he's already determined that it will happen.

>>10642725

his demon is being a schizoid

>>10642830
>You clearly haven't even read enough of OOTW either, because you'd know that work for the sake of work is subhuman.
wrong, work for the sake of work, i.e a workaholic, is when it starts to stop being subhuman according to OOTW

>>10642837

>The very word "work" shows that it is a subhuman concept. Entirely abstract, divorced from any specific activity, since anything at all can be "work", even sucking cock or watching paint dry, as long as someone is willing to pay you money to suck his cock or watch his paint dry. The abstractness of money perfectly complements the abstractness of work, their fluidity and interchangeability, their perfect vacuousness, since neither "money" nor "work" have any inherent value when nothing more is specified about them or exchanged for them (money is just paper and work is even less than that since watching paint dry is worth less in itself than even paper, which you can at least use for something) — and yet for the subhumans it is only THEY that have value: work and money, while the actual activity involved or its place in the socioeconomic structure — whether fun or boring, harmful or beneficial, and so on — is irrelevant and certainly uninteresting compared to the all-conquering importance and necessity of somehow "finding work and earning money" — whatever these might be or exchanged for.


>lol I don't know what Rei wants out of life, but that motherfucker needs to WORK
>he also needs to make a lot of MONEY because I as a subhuman think that money is just that important

>>10642830
>>10642807
Just FYI I'm the annon that was involved in that huge reply chain. I don't think I have anymore to say and following huge reply chains gives me a head-ache anyway.

Mundus-annon, you're the most polite follower of his work I've seen. Thank you.

>>10642846
>331. To love your work so much, that taking a break from it is painful and must be forced on you. The workaholic is the slave who has almost redeemed himself.
I don't know anything about rei (except that he's an obnoxious attention-whoring tripfag) and I'm barely conscious due to sleep deprivation, I just felt like butting in with an anal correction

I'M A FUCKING NEW-TYPE
I'M A FUCKING NEW-TYPE
BELIEVE THE HYPE
BELIEVE THE HYPE
I'M A FUCKING NEW-TYPE
MY MANNER IS MILD
I'M A CRYSTAL CHILD
I'M A FUCKING NEW-TYPE
BELIEVE THE HYPE

DIRTY SUBHUMAN, DIRTY SUBHUMAN
PROBABLY THINK YOU'RE CLEVER, HUH?
PROBABLY ENJOY DEGENERACY, HUH?
DIRTY SUBHUMAN, DIRTY SUBHUMAN

I'M A FUCKING NEW-TYPE
I'M A FUCKING NEW-TYPE
FOLLOW ME INTO THE LIGHT
I'M A FUCKING NEW-TYPE

>>10642863

Peace out dude. There was at least one other person throughout all of that.

>>10642864

The key word here... is 'almost'.

>>10642863
It was good talking to you as well, thanks for the conversation, I found it satisfying to analyze both his views and my own in comparison to yours, and I imagine several lurkers did as well.

>>10641967
There's a number of actually decent books in there actually.

>>10642888
hi CUNT good to see you’re not dead

>>10642951
I AM THE GLORIOUS AND GOLDEN HEADED CHILD OF AEGLETES, YOU SUBHEADED SWINE MERCHANT DEATH DEALING PIECE OF SHIT. I CAN'T DIE. I WON'T DIE. I AM ETERNAL. *BEHOLD!* MY EFFERVESCENT PERMANENCE. A CONTRADICTION FOR AN ORDINARY MAN, HUH? I AM NOT ORDINARY. FOR IN THE WORDS OF GEORGE BATAILLE (MY PREVIOUS BIOPHYSICAL INCARNATION) "LIFE ASSERTS ITSELF AS A VIOLENT CONTRADICTION" AND I AM LIFE IN ITS APOTHEOSIS, FILTHY SUBHUMAN. BELIEVE THE HYPE.

THE GEMATRIA OF THIS POST = 1/3RD THE LENGTH OF MY PENIS

>>10632876
>>10636809
>>10637086
REI: Virgin (hasn't done le sex).
Icy: Veritably promiscuous.

REI: Aloof.
Icy: Vehement.

REI: Direct, curt, lapidary, explain little or nothing, bordering on obscurity.
Icy: Extends explications into sprawling walls of text, often incoherently.

REI: Vegan.
Icy: Eats anything and anyone.

REI: Believes that truth is absolute and that it should be revealed.
Icy: Believes truth is relative and that opinion can become truth through force.

>>10632876
a chad cartoon of icy where he batters and slaps to the side any errant fondue set in his path

>>10643139
REI has to be scoffing at eating
>ANIMAL PRODUCTS
>2018
They have similar reactions, but the details explain the differences in their personalities.

>>10643169
LOL

>>10632876
I think Icy lives on some sort of nice island in Spain. He was bragging about it once.

Don't know where Rei lives.

Also does Rei like video games?

the fastest way to understand mundus properly is to gain a basic understanding of jung and a moderate understanding of astrology

>>10643358
>Don't know where Rei lives
US/Mexico
>Also does Rei like video games?
I think he liked Silent Hill and Ico, not sure of any others. He's certainly someone looking for art that will allow him to emerge into reality rather than become immersed in virtual ones.

Icycalm is the demiurge.

>Claims to have created the universe
>Evil
>Delights in suffering
>Insane
>Proponent of pleasure and material pleasure
>Sides with the Jews

>>10643574
wtf I love icy now

Ok, I added some of the suggestions plus some of my own.

Thoughts on this first version?

>>10643651
>icycalm
>pessimist
guy says he'll clone himself with 3d printed organs and rape non-nietzschean aliens to death like it's already happened

>>10643662
If a sick fantasy like that isn't the result of an essentially pessimistic worldview, then I don't know of what it's the result.

>>10643671
the rape thing was added on my part, but what's wrong with fighting aliens?

>>10643651
Icy doesn't charge people to read philosophy so it's not relevant for this meme

It should be "I am God" sounds more arrogant.

Icy called the alt-right retards recently when discussing gamer gate crap. I don't know what a good word for his politcal view is.

>atheist
"And people think that I am an atheist. I am not an atheist, I am God."

>>10643682
Claiming that you’re god presupposes atheism.

>>10643701
That's probably one of the most retarded things I've seen said.

>>10643709
Claiming that "you're god" equals to negating God, so, atheism. The retarded one here is (You).

>>10630819
You should probably kill yourself. I hope you do.

>>10643762
Guess Jesus fedora'd himself in the Gospel of John than....

>>10643762
>Claiming that "you're god" equals to negating God, so, atheism.
Are you even paying attention to what words you're typing? Jesus christ. "I am God" means, very clearly, that there is a God. There is no disbelief in God there.

>>10643793
Uh, some asshole saying that "he's god" doesn't actually entail that he is God, retard.

>>10643801
Neither does it entail his disbelief in God. What an imbecile you are.

>>10643651
I wanted to make one that's more aesthetically pleasing, because I loathe the grayscale gradient. I don't feel like finding what the fonts are that they use right now though.

The rows don't line up in your image, that shit needs to be cleaned up so it reads better.

>Recognizes profitability of charging gullible followers for access to his website.

It'd be more objective and fitting to replace that with this, taken from Icy's Praise page:

>Treats his forum like a home rather than a public square.

I agree with >>10643682 that it should read "I am God."

>>10643810
If he believed in God he wouldn’t claim that “he’s god”.

>>10630819
>mundus
It's a kid who knows nothing about the world.

Even /lit/ pseuds are less pathetic than the ammount of ideology wordplay this little guy spouts.

Cringe.

>>10643826
Noted. I’ll make the improvements using your template, but I’ll do that tomorrow. Right now I’m going to sleep lol.

>>10633075
do any of you actually take this seriously

holy shit guys

>>10637890
this is seriously fucking stupid

>>10637987
>If you still get anxious, but can't ignore him, then you have only one option: do right by him. To do that, you have to stop extending yourself beyond your boundaries, which you are clearly doing. You have to reconcile the fact that you are weaker than him. As soon as you understand that, and overcome it, and the anxiety washes away, then you can better tend to what you are capable of doing, which is not playing at the level that he plays on, but maybe doing something else that can be valuable in a small way to society.


>creating metaphysical attachments to those who might as well not even exist to you is totally Healthy just do it

>>10643651

the idea that icy is solipsistic is wrong. perspectivism.

odd how you guys love icycalm and barely understand him...

new icy upadte: http://orgyofthewill.net/

820. Contemporary guilt-tripping has gotten completely out of control, and what's mind-boggling is that it's only bound to worsen, even though one can hardly imagine what more there is to pity that we are not already hysterically exhorted to pity on a daily basis. I am supposed to feel sorry for the poor, the sick, the disabled, and even the dead, who can't even feel anything any more. I am supposed to simultaneously pity the Jews for being slaughtered in the "Holocaust", and the Palestinians whom the Jews are slaughtering today because of their troubled childhoods in German hands. I am expected to pity the blacks in Africa for living in shitholes, and the blacks in the West for being discriminated against. I should feel sorry for the Indians and the Chinese for living in disgustingly polluted environments and working for wretchedly low wages. My feelings must simultaneously "go out" to victims of terrorist outrages, and to the terrorists themselves who were pushed into these suicidal acts by fanatical clerics and traumatical formative experiences at the hands of imperialist American drone operators, all the while pitying the clerics themselves for being brainwashed by hypocritical religious founders that lived centuries ago, and of course the poor Americans who are off fighting and dying in the wars of the rich while seeing their own standards of living eroding year after year. And when the terrorists blow up twin towers full of rich people, I must of course pity the rich people too. I have to pity every single animal species ever: from whales and sharks, all the way down to rodents doused in shampoo and made to dance for views on YouTube, and back up again to mammoths killed off in ice ages and dinosaurs "humanized" in Hollywood movies. Then there's the sad captive pandas in zoos that can't have sex, the tiny aquatic micro-organisms choking on microplastics at the bottom of oceanic abysses, and the polar bears starving to death after having eaten all the remaining seals and penguins in the polar caps. And of course there's the poor guys hated on because they like butt-sex, or the other poor guys who are so confused they don't even know what kind of sex they like, then the peeps who don't like sex at all, and on and on it goes. Then there's the autistics who aren't really sick, just special, the old who are infirm and helpless because they've lived a hundred fucking years, and finally the rich retirees who've achieved the American dream but are depressed because they can't finding any meaning in all this "meaninglessness".

The latest fad in the pity hysteria is the one involving millionaire actresses that I am supposed to pity because they had sex with ageing producers to kickstart their careers. If male actors could ensure illustrious careers by merely banging an old woman for 40 minutes, the streets of Hollywood and Manhattan would be lined with dudes with boner pills in their pockets, bitches! But the absolute rock-bottom in this direction was reached when the lowest orders in the straight white Western male hieararchy (it's called the "manosphere" lol, as if there's anything manly at all about whining) decided to jump on the victim bandwagon themselves and started whingeing about being divorce-raped out of their families and affirmative-actioned out of universities and workplaces, while seeing their countries bankrupted by millions of poor migrants (that we are also of course supposed to pity) leeching off their social systems' lavish benefits. And if you think that's all, just wait until we get in touch with aliens. Yes, the subhumans will go that far: after all, why stop at suffering homo sapiens, or even merely terrestrial life, when there's an entire UNIVERSE full of weak and declining lifeforms to pity? In fact we've already done worse than this, for what good Christian hasn't been told to pity a god for suffering on a cross somewhere in a desert a few thousand years ago?

Pity for GOD: that's how far the raging faculty of empathy will go when allowed to spiral completely out of whack.

But let me assure you, dear subhumans, that I, at least, have no need, and certainly no desire for your pity, as I sit back, crack open my popcorn, and enjoy observing the intractable forces that my predecessors and I have unleashed, slowly, but surely and inevitably, flatten your entire world.

>>10643907
Also change the eating one to
>Eats anything and anyone (except fondue).

>>10642830
>he believes that there is a battle between good and evil
How anyone can claim to be a philosopher post Nietzsche and say this can be taken seriously is beyond me.

>>10644824
>>10644839
I think this can imply 'if you don't want your face smash in by greater forces, stop pitying yourself.'

>So has anything superior been written yet?
Yes but I'm sorry to say I flushed when I was done.

>>10644824
He slightly edited this one and added another.

821. And why do we need to flatten the world at all? In the medium-term, two words: nanomachine factories. We have to put them somewhere. In the long term, it's called the Big Crunch. The world HAS to be flattened by someone, at some point, and being the active, and even super-active, lifeforms that we are, we will of course take care of that super-important task ourselves.

REI = Degenerate.
Icy = Hyper-degenerate.

Neither are worth your time.

>>10633075
Looks like literal satanism-lite.

>>10633759
Your genome has more tracima back to that of the beggars and of the prostitutes than of the philosophers, conquerors and kings; in no small part because there have been so much more of the former than of the latters as to boggle the mind and for every philosopher who didn't reproduce there were a thousands of whores who did very little but.

>>10645568
Whatever country you are from and whatever computer you are using: I assure the factory it come from and the founders of the country had to flatten some part of the world.

>>10637078
Fallacy, begs the question, genetic.

>>10645617
Irrelevant. I wasn't making an argument I was making an observation. Why did You even thought my nationality and choice in hardware have anything to do with it is a mystery.

>>10645606
*tracing

>>10645543
Thanks, just started reading both

>>10644824
>and the Palestinians whom the Jews are slaughtering today because of their troubled childhoods in German hands

Jews don’t keep Palestinians in the sordid condition that they’re in out of spite for tthe Germans, but because it’s in their nature to be evil, especially toward noble people.

>>10646997
The irony in this statement is beautiful.

I guess the Jews should just stop being evil and let the Palestinines take their stuff. Come to think of this this whole problem could have been avoided two thousand years ago if the Babylonians were not being so evil and trying to enslave all those Jews.

>>10647116
You don’t know anything about history, or politics, and lack any notion of good, and evil. Stop posting.

>>10646997
>it’s in their nature to be evil
It's in the nature of all great and competent people to be evil.

>>10646997
the Palestinians arent noble

>>10647240
They aren't even human....but that annon, being a subhuman sides with his own kind.

>>10645336

He defines it as the noble vs the ignoble, which isn't much different from Nietzsche.

>>10647332
And yet when it comes to picking which team to cheer for he goes in the opposite direction. He doesn't pat the Zionists on the back for being cunning little devils.

Has Rei even name-dropped Nietzsche once? Meanwhile how much does Icy mention him. That should tell you something about their level of orthodoxy on the man.

>>10647230
>It's in the nature of all great and competent people to be evil.
I agree and disagree in some respects.
Great and competent people can be noble or ignoble; I assign goodness and evilness to nobility and ignobility respectively. Many of those with power use it for ignoble ends, perpetuating suffering and increasing immersion within the world for their own benefit, but that is not necessarily the case for all great men.
>>10647240
>>10647319
The Palestinians are noble for refusing enslavement, choosing death over capitulation. The Zionists are ignoble for attempting to enslave others. The ignoble one wishes to continue the struggle, the noble one wants to transcend the necessity of it.
>>10647361
Nietzsche is certainly a primary influence on REI, as is Hegel. He hasn't "name-dropped" any philosophers, because he does not need to.
>He doesn't pat the Zionists on the back for being cunning little devils.
Because he judges all according to a standard by which the Zionists fail: nobility
If he judged them according to "expedient good" instead of "noble good," then he might agree.

>>10647394
>The Zionists are ignoble for attempting to enslave others.
Wow I guess the Babylonians were ignoble when they went around enslaving everyone else. So were the Egyptions. Oh and the ancient Greeks, including most of the philosophers and scientists who personally owned slaves. Oh and the Romans. And basically the entire serf-owning aristrocacy. And all those big powerful wage-slaving owning corporations.

What's noble than? All the losers that tried not be enslaved.

Goly gee this sounds pretty fucking Nietzchean.

Funny enough with this doctrine the time when the Jews were most noble was when they were trying their hardest to not be assimilated into the culture of their slave-owners...this is also about the time in history when the manuscripts of the old testament went through it's final revisions and the invented of slave morality begins to happen....that's when they were most noble!

>>10647361

>He doesn't pat the Zionists on the back for being cunning little devils.

Why should he?

>Has Rei even name-dropped Nietzsche once? Meanwhile how much does Icy mention him.

As far as I'm aware, Hitler is the only person mentioned in Mundus. Whether or not that matters to you depends on how much you want Rei to be like Icycalm.

>>10647471
>Why should he?
Zioniststs are pretty in line his with his thoughts. Their arms are not moralizing or chasing after some pie-in-the-sky; as most religiously motiviated goals are. It's an earthly goal and carried out without restraint or pity for their enemies.

Icy had a pretty amusing quote on the subject.

>256. The Israeli government is being accused of attacking, murdering, stealing, lying, etc., which is to say of performing the proper work of government. In a turn of world-historic irony only the Jews, the perennially stateless people among the powers of the Western world, still seem to remember how to govern. And why not attack the Arabs? Why not lie to them, steal from them and murder them? After all, one Jew is worth 10,000 Arabs. The only thing we can reproach the Jews with is that they haven't called on their American buddies to carpet-nuke the entire Middle East already. (rest of quote cut off)

>>10647439
>Wow I guess the Babylonians were ignoble when they went around enslaving everyone else. So were the Egyptions. Oh and the ancient Greeks, including most of the philosophers and scientists who personally owned slaves. Oh and the Romans. And basically the entire serf-owning aristrocacy. And all those big powerful wage-slaving owning corporations.
I do not defend these groups, nor do I think that all members were completely noble or ignoble, as you seem to claim I believe; one can be mostly noble, or mostly ignoble, and yet have some traits of the other. I do not believe that the Palestinians, for example, are completely noble, but I can say that the Zionists are ignoble, as Judaism is a wholly materialistic religion devoted to attaining power, and nothing more; the Jews are the minions of the demiurge.

I think I should clarify that I do not assign value or goodness to the condition of being oppressed, but to the quality of one's character; the typical slave is not better than a master, he merely has less power. I judge both by the same standard. I oppose slavery, both being a slavemaster or being a slave, because I abhor suffering and the continuation of the cycles of power struggles. Is it possible for them to end? REI would say yes, if only the noble were to breed and the ignoble prevented, and children educated as to the purpose of their existence.

>What's noble than? All the losers that tried not be enslaved.
Creating culture to unite those with whom you have a mutual affinity (love), and judging those you can unite with according to a standard (fury), thereby optimizing units, is perhaps the primary thing that the noble individual does, though REI describes the concept further, pic related is an important aphorism about it.
The most important thing to take from how REI is describing nobility is that it is primarily about transcendence of struggle and the minimization of suffering, not in the continuation of it; the ideal Zionist world is one where the Gentiles are the slaves to the Jews and cannot escape, the ideal Aryan world is autarkic, without any slaves. Both have transcended the need for struggle, but one has high suffering while the other has none.
>Funny enough with this doctrine the time when the Jews were most noble was when they were trying their hardest to not be assimilated into the culture of their slave-owners...this is also about the time in history when the manuscripts of the old testament went through it's final revisions and the invented of slave morality begins to happen....that's when they were most noble!
I disagree, as I do not assign goodness to the condition of being oppressed, but to nobility. The old testament is merely a Jewish tribalistic manual, and is hence ignoble.

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what is this MM and where can I read it

>>10647622
The greatest philosophical work of the past 3 years, if this thread is anything to go by. There were no serious responses to OP's question.
mundusmillennialis.com

>>10647575

>Judaism is a wholly materialistic religion devoted to attaining power, and nothing more; the Jews are the minions of the demiurge

I kind of like Jung's interpretation of the demiurge a lot better than this silliness. The demiurge is basically the emerging ego of ancient people evolving to have more and more conscious thoughts. Given that the concept started emerging during a growth of philosophy that emphasized rationality and restriction of urges this makes sense.

Saying that the Jews worship a literal demiurge is a hold-over from superstitious and ressentful Christians. It doesn't hold any sort of water if you look even remotely at how contemporary Judaism is which more and more is comfortable seeing it's deity as a product of history and culture rather than a metaphysical being. It makes even less sense considering the Jews have Kabbalah which carries over a lot of beliefs from Gnostism and, from what little I have read, is even acknowledged as being a direct descendant of it by historians.

The rest of what you are saying: about the desire to end suffering, about power, weakness. Here are Nietzche's thoughts on it

>What is good?—Whatever augments the feeling of power, the will to power, power itself, in man.

>What is evil?—Whatever springs from weakness.


>What is happiness?—The feeling that power increases—that resistance is overcome.

>Not contentment, but more power; not peace at any price, but war; not virtue, but efficiency (virtue in the Renaissance sense, virtu, virtue free of moral acid).

>The weak and the botched shall perish: first principle of our charity. And one should help them to it.

>What is more harmful than any vice?—Practical sympathy for the botched and the weak—Christianity....

You and Rei are free to believe whatever you want but to say such thoughts are in-line with Nietzche's, when they are in fact the inverse, is an error.

>>10647528

You're not wrong in your assertion, at least structurally. The Zionists are just a truly ignoble group of rulers, so they should be replaced by a group who has nobility. You seem to fail to understand that the schizopathic way of the zionist is already well contained and defined in Mundus, and you've still failed to actually read or comprehend any of it from yesterday.

>Wow I guess the Babylonians were ignoble when they went around enslaving everyone else. So were the Egyptions. Oh and the ancient Greeks, including most of the philosophers and scientists who personally owned slaves. Oh and the Romans. And basically the entire serf-owning aristrocacy. And all those big powerful wage-slaving owning corporations.

You're the one moralizing the past, not him. A slave master can have nobility, which many did. Slavery in ancient Greece had significantly different meaning from the modern day slavery of black people in America that typically comes to mind. And even a few of those slave masters had nobility.

In many cases, slavery and death are the only choices. You've already defined the same proof in your post that the slave himself has as much responsibility for his ignobility as the master does for his satirical ignobility in your post. So feel free to get off that stupidity.

>Funny enough with this doctrine the time when the Jews were most noble was when they were trying their hardest to not be assimilated into the culture of their slave-owners...this is also about the time in history when the manuscripts of the old testament went through it's final revisions and the invented of slave morality begins to happen....that's when they were most noble!

They've been kicked out of every host country that they've ever inhabited for a reason. They always hybridize and attempt to destroy the host, just like a parasite would. If the Zionists were so successful at their goals then eventually they would have nothing left to eat, except for each other. And then there would be nothing left at all.

>>10647758
>A slave master can have nobility, which many did.
What do you mean? The best slave master is the one who can mold his slaves as he desires them the best.

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>>10647797
Rei's use of the word "nobility" and "ignonble" seem to mean very different things than the conventional meanings, and in fact the reverse of Nietzsche's meanings.

>>10643651
These should be switched around lol

>>10647730
>Saying that the Jews worship a literal demiurge is a hold-over from superstitious and ressentful Christians.
I do not care whether they are conscious or unconscious of it; they worship power for the sake of power and the self-preservation of their group moreso than any other group on this planet. To you, this might be wise and prudent. To me, it is license for unlimited ignoble acts to be performed, and perpetuates suffering.
>It doesn't hold any sort of water if you look even remotely at how contemporary Judaism is which more and more is comfortable seeing it's deity as a product of history and culture rather than a metaphysical being.
I'm glad you agree with me, most of Judaism is quite devoid of metaphysical insight, though some sects contain materials borrowed from Hermetic schools, neoplatonists, etc.
>It makes even less sense considering the Jews have Kabbalah which carries over a lot of beliefs from Gnostism and, from what little I have read, is even acknowledged as being a direct descendant of it by historians.
Not all Jews believe the same things, Orthodox, conservative, and reform Jews reject the metaphysical Kabbalah, while others accept it.
>The rest of what you are saying: about the desire to end suffering, about power, weakness. Here are Nietzche's thoughts on it
Another quote that Nietzsche said: "I teach you the overman. Man is something that shall be overcome. What have you done to overcome him?"
Do you think Nietzsche would agree that transcending power struggles is overcoming man? Or would he say that trying to transcend the nature of man was weakness, and that we should accept man as he is, that we should become fully man?
I care not what Nietzsche thought; I believe the former regardless.
>You and Rei are free to believe whatever you want but to say such thoughts are in-line with Nietzche's, when they are in fact the inverse, is an error.
I never claimed that REI or my thoughts were in line with Nietzsche, merely that REI was inspired in some respects by Nietzsche. Nietzsche was inspired by Schopenhauer, does that mean they necessarily agreed on everything?
>>10647841
Is it possible to be "noble" according to Nietzsche, to have your own values that you will to be the most powerful, and within those values abhor suffering, slavery, weakness, improper use of strength, and the idea of your value ever losing power by getting rid of bloodlines that have a predisposition to different values?

>The Palestinians are noble for refusing enslavement, choosing death over capitulation. The Zionists are ignoble for attempting to enslave others
By this logic, being ignoble is a necessary characteristic of being strong. Strong people always enslave: by virtue of their overbearing character, they incense everyone weaker and consequently enslave their spirits. The Zionists are actually noble here, while the ones who are refusing to abide by the nature of things are the slave rebels.

>>10648012
Its not like you cant be mutualistic to be strong. Being greater overall so as to not tyrannize seems stronger no?

>>10647895
>Is it possible to be "noble" according to Nietzsche, to have your own values that you will to be the most powerful, and within those values abhor suffering, slavery, weakness, improper use of strength, and the idea of your value ever losing power by getting rid of bloodlines that have a predisposition to different values?

In Nietzsche's value system, the word "noble" seems to more or less equal Rei's "ignoble".

Look at the quote that was green-texted here.

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As the other anon pointed out the Zionists would be the favored one's.

>>10648025
But it's an impossible reality you speak of. All strength tyrannizes the weak by necessity. Its mere existence tyrannizes weakness by incensing it, moving it: weakness in fact is the reaction towards strength, it is born directly out of it. The weak cannot escape standing in the shadow of stronger individuals, except if they become stronger, but then they too will be tyrannical and ignoble.

Really, this concept of noble vs. ignoble portrays a reality in which in order to be considered noble, one must be losing. You can never win in anything. To win means to be ignoble. Well, if that is the case, then I'd like to see a good argument made for why I should not prefer being ignoble.

>>10648012
>By this logic, being ignoble is a necessary characteristic of being strong. Strong people always enslave
Why can the strong not free others from enslavement, while also destroying those who have different values to themselves?
>The Zionists are actually noble here, while the ones who are refusing to abide by the nature of things are the slave rebels.
Pic related and this pic are relevant >>10642322 to your comment on nature as the source of nobility.
>>10648038
You seemed to ignore what I said; REI wants his value system to be uniformly applied, he does not shun power, but he does shun alternative value systems.
He is not basing his argument on the "weak" or the "strong," but on which values are optimal.

As I mentioned, I don't care what Nietzsche would approve of, I am willing to disagree with him, so the argument of "Nietzsche would support x group so you should support x group" does nothing for me.

>>10647361
Back when Rei posted here he used to shitpost about Nietzsche a lot. I assume he doesn't like him anymore

>>10648049
>But it's an impossible reality you speak of.
For you, perhaps, because you cannot conceive of it. Meanwhile men like Hitler, REI, and me can see it, and will strive for it.
>All strength tyrannizes the weak by necessity
What of strength that chooses to oppose both tyranny and weakness by "strengthening" those who are "weak" but have similar values to REI and eliminating the "strong" (soon to be non-existent) who oppose this who have different values?
>except if they become stronger, but then they too will be tyrannical and ignoble.
Because you cannot see how to transcend this cycle, you believe you must forever be stuck within it.
>Really, this concept of noble vs. ignoble portrays a reality in which in order to be considered noble, one must be losing.
Wrong, one can be victorious and triumphant and be noble; you are further revealing that you have not read Mundus Millennialis.
>You can never win in anything. To win means to be ignoble
Because of how you define "win," which for you consists only in having "losers." You look for outcomes of expediency, rather than outcomes of excellence.
>>10648078
I'm quite certain that REI was greatly inspired by Nietzsche, it's just that REI's values deviate from both master morality and slave morality, which is apparently incomprehensible to the posters on this board. It's almost like REI has his own value system opposed to all the major ones... really makes you think...

>>10648113
You didn't answer this question from the anon.

>Well, if that is the case, then I'd like to see a good argument made for why I should not prefer being ignoble.

That's a killing blow.

>>10648113
His values are comprehensible. They are just unintelligent. A universe that "transcends" this one's nature of action and reaction is a frozen one where there is no passage of time, transformation, or motion; an inaccessible, hypothetical one, except in a state of ignorance (a self-contained mind, Rei's concept of autism I assume); an otherworldly one; a Christian one. The in-itself is a dead concept in philosophy; it was moved past centuries ago.

>>10648135
>>Well, if that is the case, then I'd like to see a good argument made for why I should not prefer being ignoble.
I didn't see much of a point; one's character will tend towards nobility or ignobility. If you do not see how transcending the need for struggle is superior to persisting in it, then there is no way to convince you. You've chosen to suffer and inflict your sufferings on others either because you cannot see any way beyond it, in which case you are ignorant or stupid (unless you can provide reasons for why transcending the need for struggle is impossible), or because you enjoy inflicting suffering on others, in which case you are a sociopath, for whom the only proper response is violence.
>>10648161
>A universe that "transcends" this one's nature of action and reaction is a frozen one where there is no passage of time, transformation, or motion; an inaccessible, hypothetical one, except in a state of ignorance (a self-contained mind, Rei's concept of autism I assume); an otherworldly one; a Christian one. The in-itself is a dead concept in philosophy; it was moved past centuries ago.
I do not know how to respond to this because it is so far removed from any idea REI has written. I will merely say that you should actually read Mundus Millennialis, or refrain from speaking about matters you are ignorant.

>>10647895
>Do you think Nietzsche would agree that transcending power struggles is overcoming man?
no
because power struggles are intrinsic to power (any amount)
what do you expect the overman to do? Sit and meditate?

>>10648176
The act of transcending is rooted in struggle. What you are talking about is borderline Christianspeak, unintelligible nonsense.

>>10648195
>because power struggles are intrinsic to power (any amount)
What about the final value, the value that gains victory over the universe? If such a value existed, there would be no more power struggles; this is what REI is proposing.
>what do you expect the overman to do? Sit and meditate?
No, to perfect the world in accordance with his values.
>>10648204
Read the pic here >>10647575

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and pic related as well

>>10648210
>What about the final value, the value that gains victory over the universe?
you mean the last man?

>>10648231
No, I'm talking about the value of the ubermensch who will reign over the universe, that which is so superior and that gains so much power that it is never opposed.

>>10648204
In fact, you might as well just read all of Mundus Millennialis, because it's clear you haven't. He spells out this several times.

>>10648210
That is all well and good, but:

1. The world is already perfect.
2. There is no final value. That is part of its perfection.

In an autistic state, you may be able to achieve a state of pure stasis (seen from within itself, "perfection"), but on the outside, where everything is happening, you will just be an ignorant autist, and will be steamrolled over by history.

I wonder if Rei has read Eden: It's An Endless World. This reminds me of that, which featured a scientifically engineered virus, which was described as a "physical form of autism," which petrified and melted people from the inside, and actually created an evergrowing hivemind in the soil, where memories were everlasting and things were said to have reached perfection.

>>10633875
Cool story bro

>>10648284
>1. The world is already perfect.
If the world is already perfect, then there is no standard by which it can be improved or worsened. In some senses I agree with you (structurally, metaphysically), in others I disagree (politically, organizationally); I think perfection in all spheres is something we can aim for.
>2. There is no final value. That is part of its perfection.
I'd ask you to justify your assertion. What leads you to believe that no value can ever gain supremacy over all others?
>In an autistic state, you may be able to achieve a state of pure stasis (seen from within itself, "perfection"), but on the outside, where everything is happening, you will just be an ignorant autist, and will be steamrolled over by history.
Pic related; The future is made by individuals that are influenced by those who achieved pure stasis
>I wonder if Rei has read Eden: It's An Endless World.
I've been meaning to read it at some point. I assume you recommend it?

I improved the maymay based on your suggestions. Here's version 1:
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Thoughts on this second version?

>>10648683
Since atheist isn't fitting or even particularly funny
"The incarnation of the demiurge" it plays off against Rei's Gnostism and Icy's claim of having created the universe.


It's also totally ridiculous.

>>10648683
You could maybe add something about REI working at McDonald's for a few hours and Alex scamming people out of their money. Other than that it's bretty gud/10

>>10648806
Done!

>>10648850
>LIKES TO IGNORE/NEGLECT PEOPLE

Rofl, that's very true

:(

>>10648850
>Cryptozionist fashoid.
Eh. "Techno-Overman Supremacist" would sound better here.

>Pessimistic solipsist
This part is wrong. He's extremely joyful in his descriptions of imminent doom and he states clearly that more intelligent beings can understand lower ones but not vice versa. It should be tragic optimist, or subversive optimist, maybe.

To try to make the last point more humorous

icy
>Rules his own forum with an iron fist
Rei
>Tripfags on 4chan.org

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>>10648904
Go to bed, Tony.

>>10648850
You should replace schizoid with psychopath. Schizoid is kind of contradictory to being a vehement tribalist.