/lit/ - Literature

>>10617806

>obama assassinates american citizens
>COOL BLACK PRESIDENT

>trump says maybe to stop attacking russia
>LITERALLY HITLER. SAVE OUR SOULS!

>>10617864
Yeah that definitely doesn't gloss over anything at all

>>10617885
This.

>>10617806
Always makes me giggle when I think that if liberals really got this upset thinking Trump is a fascist how much they would shit themselves if America actually did become a fascist nation.

Brainlets are ruining this book with the LE JUST LIKE DRUMPF shit

>>10617976
>hehe America becoming a fascist nation makes me giggle
God forbid we try to stop it from becoming one before it's too late.

>>10617981
God forbid we actually learn what fascism is instead of just labeling every too right wing for you "fascism". Don't worry if fascism comes to America it won't be in the vein of Hitler with elections or Mussolini with a demonstration. It'll be more like the Spanish civil war.

>>10618022
>tfw no qt soanish red gf

>>10617806
>>10617885
>>10617981
You don't even realize that you've already made a fatal mistake, already overplayed your hand. In your zealous opposition to fascism you called everything fascist, even when it clearly wasn't. Case and point, Trump. Everyone knows that Trump isn't literally a fascist, yet the left has gone so above and beyond in attempting to brand him that way that most normal people have tuned it out. And now when you get a real fascist, as it seems like you will eventually, people are going to tune you out there too. And you'll sit with your hands in your lap wondering why people aren't listening to you, when you're just repeating the same mantra you've been uttering for the past several decades.

>>10618069
Fascists can't be elected in America because we aren't retarded Germans

>>10618083
>Germany is the only country to ever elect fascists every

>>10618083
Yeah we're dumber

>>10618108
Germans are pretty stupid lads, if you discount German Jews, the only notable thing Germans have ever done is the Holocaust

>>10618069
Okay, you've had your fun. Go back to /pol/.

>>10618114
Now you're just being ignorant

>>10618114
Don't forget the fall of the Roman Empire, the Protestant Reformation, and starting WWI

>>10618117
>Op makes a political post
>Anon makes a political on topic response
>Oy vey go back to /pol/
I swear this website is reducing my lifespan with some of the retarded shit I have to read.

Honestly this book made me realize Trump isn’t anything close to a fascist. He definitely appeals to racists, but the shit he’s doing isn’t even comparable to Buzz Windrip.

>>10618133
>I swear this website is reducing my lifespan with some of the retarded shit I have to read.
Good. The sooner white men die off, the better.

>>10618133
>(You) make a bait post
>(You) make a post in response to (You)r on post which was what (You) wanted to say in the first place because (You) are a retard and think it's deep
>(You) get called a retarded /pol/edditor
MEIN GOTT UNTERMENSCH IT'S LIKE ANUDDA /pol/ HARBOR

>>10618117
>>10618156
>Anyone who calls me on my bullshit is /pol/
This is exactly what I'm talking about you idiot. Nothing I said was anything close to /pol/, but you're lumping me in with them thereby devaluing the label of /pol/ so it's useless when actual /pol/ opinions are brought up. I'm a liberal, but American "liberals" like yourself are fucking cancer. You think everyone to the left of you is a literal fascist, or in this case /pol/, that they're all against you. And if you keep going this way, they will be eventually.

>>10618158
>/pol/ still doesn't understand what liberal means

>>10618166
I think you're replying to the wrong person because I don't see what that has to do with my post, but I'd tend to agree. Both /pol/ and /leftypol/ have a very immature and frankly incorrect view of what liberalism is.

>>10618144
Because he's building up to it slowly. Or did you miss yesterday's SotU where he literally did this:
>“Tonight,” he said, “I call on the congress to empower every Cabinet secretary with the authority to reward good workers—and to remove federal employees who undermine the public trust or fail the American people.”

>>10618185
im just waiting for the brownshirts to come back so i can hide some qt jewish girl and have her fall in love with me

>>10618185
I mean how is this any different from what any other president has done? The idea that to the winner goes the spoils is at about as old as the country. While it was obviously more prevalent in the 18th and 19th centuries, you can still see some of it in the modern period. I mean hell, look at what Obama did in gutting the military of officers who weren't progressive enough.

>>10617864
and now with krump in the white house america's relations with russia are at their worst since the cold war

>>10618185
>Getting rid of shitty politicians is fascism now

Well shit sign me up

>>10618185
Is that different from house bill 4182 that would extend the period a newly-hired federal employee can be fired without the adjudication process from one year to two? Because that’s pretty distinct from arresting politicians.

>>10617806
I unironically wish the left was right and Ronald Glumpf was a fascist figure in the vain of Caesar, Napoleon, or Hitler. Unfortunately he's just a cuckservative clown.

t. Actual fascist.

>>10618069
Praise Kek, brother!

>>10618392
>Everyone who doesn't think Trump is a literal fascist is /pol/
Do you not see the irony here?

Damn this /pol/ anon is so assblasted. For someone who belongs in a supposedly superior political spectrum, you can sure get triggered by shitposting.

>>10617885
Nor does the OP!

>>10617976
It always has been a fascist nation tho

>>10618069
You're right, the left is at present structurally unequipped to process reality (so is the right btw, but their task is an easier one, as it mainly amounts to fawning over power), so they scream FASCIST, RACIST, SEXIST, when they'd be better served focusing their energy on economic and social problems. It's a thought I often hear coming out of right winger's mouths in the form of something like, "If she would have focused on problems facing millions of Americans instead of trying to mobilize and unite various victimized identity groups, she would have won." But you're right about the cry wolf boy. And Trump isn't a fascist. He's more of a donor class hero with some 20hrs of cable TV a day reactionary retard and boomer diet Coke/McDonalds lifestyle sprinkled in there.

>>10618541
I think the right has an inherently stronger position though, all they really have to do is the same thing the left did to them in the 60s. This is just one article on one book, but there are plenty of others out there along the same lines. What the right has essentially done in the US is that it has taken the place of the counter cultural movement, and it seeks to provoke the left into moral outrage akin to what the leftists of the 60s did to conservative America. They really just have to keep pushing with this same strategy that the left itself used to get into power, and they'll probably end up seizing the cultural initiative, so to speak.
https://newrepublic.com/article/143722/alt-right-learned-left

It did not, America has no dictator, and it's not in the slightest a fascist state. That won't of course stop hyperactive hysteria from those whose party is not in control of the white house.

>>10618114
>the only notable thing Germans have ever done is the Holocaust
which was a great feat of engineering, secrecy, planning and evil.

Could you kill 6 million people without a single written order to that effect? Having thousands of soldiers, some of whom were newly recruited teenagers, in on the secret without it leaking out?

>>10617885
Yeah it glosses over how Obama also turned the IRS into a political weapon, removed the restriction on creating propaganda, targeted journalists, and all the other dozens of overreaches he committed in his term.

>>10618743

>>10617806

It's all about peak optics my friend.

Hail Trump!
Hail Our People!
Hail Victory!

>>10617806
I little fascism is the only thing that will save the nation at this point.

>>10618144
>He definitely appeals to racists,

I wish this was true.

I wish Trump was hitler and we were forcefully deporting millions of people.

That is not at all happening.

Why do I keep getting teased by everyone?

Here I am thinking yes!!!! finally a racist president that will do what is needed and instead is just a typical middle of the road asshole.

>>10618666
lol imagine hunting digits and lying this egregiously there are literally signed papers from SS commanders listing off how many jews they killed that week/month you fucking animal

>>10618743
You take his intentional bullshit even farther by continuing to name scandals applicable only to Obama as if that vindicates Trump.
I don't like Obama, I am not defending Obama, and I am not comparing the two. My assertion here is that Trump is a fucking embarassment on every possible level.
I find it hilarious that you attack Obama with a picture of some rushed half-assed salute to paint him as disrespectful while trying to defend a draft dodger who said he "likes people that weren't captured," mocked the parents of a dead soldier for being Muslims, and joked that avoiding STDs in the 70s was his own personal Vietnam. Without referring to Obama, Hillary, or the evil Jew media, I would love to hear someone defend this shit.

>>10618185
Why are you pretending we don't have actual enemies in our systems of government?

We have people that consider that nation illegitimate and stolen land for christ sake.

Those people SHOULD be removed.

>>10618943
Nothing to really defend.
The game is that you have fabricated some offense when none of actually occurred.

>>10618952
"Fabricated some offense?" How about a blatant disrespect for the office he holds? As an American I'm offended that he represents me to the world in that light.
I wish a real president like Teddy could meet him just to boil over with rage and kick his obese ass.

>>10619002
You are obviously just biased and don't care about the real issues at hand.

Let the controlled media shape your mind some more clown.

>>10619002
Teddy set the precedent for American nation building.

>>10618114
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ztOV2wrrkY

>>10619007
>the real issues
Except the man you're defending won't ever change a "real issue" either. No politician will, because every single one of them today is bought and paid for by the obscene amount of money flowing through various lobbying groups and campaign contributors with the express purpose of making lots of identity politics noise and quietly doing whatever their donors want on the "real issues."
Trump is different in the sense that he's also a fucking idiot that can't pretend to have the dignity the position usually brings with it. He'll gladly start a war with Korea if it means people think better of him.

>>10619037

Sigh.. such tired rhetoric.

I don't get it, you socialists can simply move to Europe anytime you want.

Why don't you just do that instead of trying to change the USA?

>>10619042
Because this is my country and I'm not a spineless bootlicking fag like you.

>>10619054

You clearly hate the place.

>>10619056
I hate the road it's taking into corporatist hell and want to drag it back out. I would gladly die for a cause like that.
Would you die for Donald so that he could joke about it in front of your parents afterwards?

>>10619054

Those who identify themselves as socialists, they sicken me deeply. Socialism was a mistake, it's nothing but trash.

>>10619071

I am sorry that you have to get a job and work for a living.

>>10619088
>haha you're just lazy
You and I both work harder than people with the wealth of entire countries that run our government backing both parties. Keep believing your hard work will make you rich, and I will try to change things so that it'll actually be true.

>>10619101
Lmao commies are funny man.

>>10618050
You sure that’s a gril?

>>10618114
Autobahn you cunt

>>10617806
>Drumpf is literally Hitler XD
Trump isn't even remotely close to being Fascist but I wish he was.

>>10619101
I don’t need to be rich. Middle class comfy is fine.

>>10619143
Nobody needs to be rich. Every person in America could be middle class comfy if we put an effort into making it that way, but that's commie talk.

>>10619116
You bootlickers are absurd.

>>10619159
God forbid everybody has a chance to make a living. God damn commies!!!11111111

>>10619159
I have no interest in making an effort to make drug addicts, drunks, sluggards and retards middle class comfy

>>10619116
>>10619143
This is your brain without the concept of class
>divide the world into commies and not commies based on whether it sounds funny (commie talk) like your daddy did
or
>work hard, stoically settle for less and less every year, be mad, and get told it was the commies (or the Jews)

>>10619159
Nobody needs to but will everyone just accept that blindly? There are much more ways to be oppressive than just being richer than someone else. And as history has shown it is not fucking pretty.

I was sure something had finally happen when trump got elected. I remember watching the election results come in and all the faggots at my school were crying around me and I was so full of hope It felt like anything could happen. Yet a year latter this senile fuck is still sitting around with his dick in his hand. Maybe we really are at the end of history. The nukes cant fall a day too soon. Death to America.

>>10619203
You're right, and a monumental effort to curb those other potentials to oppress would be necessary in any future. That doesn't mean we should accept the unbelievable power of economic oppression in America.

>>10618937
>there are literally signed papers from SS commanders listing off how many jews they killed that week/month you fucking animal
What are you on about? It is accepted fact that most of the orders were verbal and nearly nothing was written down.

>>10618114
Edgy as frick, bro!!!!

>>10619196
This as well there are many dregs in this country that CANNOT be helped no matter how much libshits insist. It's a worthless effort

>>10617806
this book is good until the guy gets elected, than it turns in a horrible fanfic-tier bs with lots of characters with no perspnality

>>10618117
yeah that was a dumb right wing post

>>10618114
while this is clearly an intellectual effort of an enlighted liberal

>>10619002
>a real president like Teddy
Teddy dragged us into WW1 on behalf of interests that were not our own. He was bought, just like Churchill was in WW2. Both of these characters stand tall in the minds of their respective populations. Most of their popularity is based in the constant storytelling that is rained on us from mainstream media and entertainment still to this day.

>>10618128
>starting WWI
>I am unaware of the country named Austria. I also discount the string of assassinations that were intended to cause a power shift in Europe.

>>10618943
lol you really think anyone here would be outraged by the fact that trump didn't go to war? lmao

also, i smile everytime someone reminds about "people who weren't captured" and "shithole countries". comedy gold

>>10619002
lol leftists become old timey grandpas when it comes to bash people they don't like.

>>10619333
>Someone who doesn't want to fellate the corpse of either Teddy or Churchill
BASED

>>10619054
fag is homophobic word. go to the FEMA camp for reeducation with the other WHITE MALE BIGOTS

>>10619071
>it's taking

lol how old are you? i bet you weren't even born when raegan was president. therefore the "corporatist hell" is what you always knew

>>10619356
If I cared more about this country, or things right wing people put a lot of stock in like projecting strength or competence, I'd care about "the office he holds." I don't though.

>>10619101
how are you gonna do that? by helping importing more workers for shithole countries who will work they're ass off for the rich? by bashing cars of 99 percenters while you go protesting in the street? or you will change the world by writing an ironic and angry tweet about trump?

>>10619159
and why should i want to make lazy fuckers who want my demise middle class comfy?

>>10619371
>you weren't alive
>you can't know
LOL what are you even doing on a literature board? It's been a few hours since I've read something which so cynically undermines the potential of the written word or the human mind to achieve their most basic functions.

>>10619375
so you don't actually care that trump is a disgrace to the office he holds, you were simply roleplaying as a conservative who would therefore be outraged by trump?

lol just go sniffing glue my man, you'll have fun doing so and you don't really need your brain cells anyway

>>10619410
you're such melodramatic idiot. you say you love your country, but you hate its current form. but the current form is the only form you experienced that country, therefore you love a personal fantasy you have about america.

>>10619414
>>10619428
No, that wasn't me. I sent the first few commie responses and after that people like >>10619375 jumped on board.

>>10619414
While Trump is a vulgarian, he’s a nice break from the ‘real politicians’ we’ve had in office.

>>10618114
(You)

>>10619410
and no, it doesn't matter if you know how things were "before", because i'm talking about you. you said "i love america" not "i love this version of america i've read about"

and by the way, in which period you like the us the most? the modern corporatist hell? back when the KKK was strong and powerful? when jim crow was a thing? when there was slaves? when ameircan were wiping out indians?

admit it, america has never been a place where modern day liberals like would love

>>10619446
Is there fucking anywhere back in time that modern liberals would even like? Such an irrational group of human beings.

>>10619386
were you born in 2012?
>>10619390
>>10619196
True nationalism (the kind that's not based on race but nation) in it's simplest sense is nation building. You'd probably want more productive citizens (nationalist or not), more in tax revenue, more investments in tech, industry, jobs that benefit the nation and reduce the social (addicts, drunks, sluggards) problems we shoulder as a nation. By elevating those below you into a position where they can provide for themselves and not take or just do harm, you'd be reducing these perennial problems which have filled speeches for decades and elicited applause from congresses filled with 8 figure earners, you'd actually be elevating yourself into higher stratas of the middle class as well.

>>10619465
ha ha. but my point still stands. a liberal can't say "i don't like how america's is changing" if before it was even more conservative.
for republicans who like 1950s america it would at least make sense say things like this

>>10619469
true nationalism can't work in america

>>10619446
>>10619465
You guys always have to set the terms in order not to appear absolutely ridiculous and to have any standing in the argument. And you call me a melodramatic faggot.

An America I'd like to live in is probably the same as most would want: one that isn't a corporatist hell, but where people and their families can make a living and have a future without killing themselves or giving up their living standards. That's literally it.

>>10619509
So something like post world war 2 america. hmmmmm.

>>10619483
>1950s
>90%+ marginal tax rates
No thanks. Now is much comfier.

>>10619509
you call me an idiot and you don't understand that the seocnd guy you replied to was beign ironic.

anyway if you consider america an "hell" you don't love it. you would love a country where " isn't a corporatist hell, but where people and their families can make a living and have a future without killing themselves or giving up their living standards", and that's completely ok. the point is that you don't consider america to be that country and it never was (according to you). so you don't actually love it. you love an alternative version of america that doesn't exist. let's call it Anonerica. i'm sure Anonerica would be great, and that you love it. but you love it, not the actual america. and by the way, there's no shame in not liking your own country. i know that for americans (both right and left wing) this is a taboo, but really,it's ok, it doesn't make you a terrorist

>>10617806
>implying fascism is even that bad
better than this neoliberal purgatory we're living in

>>10619410
hey man look at this other anon down here

>>10619569

you see? i live in a country were real fascism used to be a thing. now for some people it was good, for other it lowest point of our country.
i've read about in school book, in novels, and i've read both socialist/communist authors and fascist authors.
and with all that i would still feel silly about thinking that it was (completely) good or bad.

>>10618605
a gaggle of nerd virgins does not a counter culture make

I want country were I can touch this with penish

Actuallllyyyyy Trumps cult of personality and heavy handed managerial style plans, plus many of his policies could on the whole plant him in the Facist camp more than the other camps, but America is not yet a facist nation.

Trump isn't a fascist, but who knows what is fascism in these days.
I'd say that he is just a Reagan for the culture we have nowadays, more vulgar of course.
I think that if left Americans understood that simply they have to lose in short-term in order to win long-term they could stand a chance against the whole right wing counter-culture movement, but day after day I see them losing because of their extremism. I don't live on America, but if social media is any indicator of talking to an American leftist, then I'd say they have simply no way of winning in a debate if their starting point is "I'm simply right about everything, we are going to point out how wrong you are", it's like talking to child, and god knows I've tried to talk to leftists on zuccbook. They need to admit that probably Trump (or the alt-right, right or whatever) is right about American economy depending on China importations and that they need to take the front seat back so that they can once again have the highest living standards. Bringing industries back to the US will help people in ex-industrial cities like Detroit, who very much need so. Also that immigrants in fact lower the living standards, and are a huge problem to the normal American because of job competition and culture shock.
And when they concede the most sensible things, they can start pointing out where Trump is absolutely wrong and how he is a vulgar boomer, for example, how giving into corporations is a death trap for the everyday folk, however they throw a tantrum and cry and deny any discussion, but somehow expecting the white low and middle class majority to agree with them, understand Marx and vote for their candidate, that's some huge mental gymnastics if I've seen one.

I'm not for either side in this post, I'm trying to take a middle point of view since it looks healthier, but for all I care America is doomed and the rest of the world is looking it crumble.

>>10619729
I think people have been fighting the left for so long they don't recognize was right-wing collectivism looks, feels and sounds like. buy my book on Amazon to learn more

>>10619729
This is what I don't like about the left either. They shit very hard on middle america which much of is 2nd or even 3rd world tier and the best way to get out of this is generally some sort of industrialization and then they can focus on a more service economy which most coastal areas are. But the tech is just not there to make this a very clean process so the middle parts of our country will just wallow. It's sad to think about and i'm a coaster and see nothing but animosity for these people and would really like to see my countrymen in these areas do better for themselves.

>>10617864

Obama was a piece of shit too. Maybe you should stop being an American liberal (the actual liberal not "American liberal" which is anything even slightly to the left of the American right which is your entire country) and actually see what's going on.

Better yet, off yourself so we don't have anymore Americans around and it can hasten the death of your shitty country.

>>10619603
I know this was a joke post, but sexually frustrated men are stability's worst enemy. You want these guys to shut the fuck up already? Figure out a way to get them laid. Otherwise you're looking at a bunch of misfit nihilists with nothing to lose, and that's not going to end well for either of you.