/lit/ - Literature

>>10544028
Tfw s

>>10544028
That sucks, anon. Be strong.

I can't message known people, or anyone with an audience. It freaks me out, not entirely in an anxious nature, rather in legitimate fear of their existence (as if their existence is intrinsic to the Spectacle). It's fucking weird.

>>10544081
Email Land right now.

>>10544081
I know what you mean anon.

>>10544081
Quit being a faggot. Being-towards world/Dasein is truth and authenticity in our ways. Subject/object, other humans are here

Don't bother that schizo with your shit unless you have a decent question to email him and spice him up.

>>10544028
here's some feet to soothe the pain

>>10544028
>>10544045
What did you ask him?

>>10544151
The Peterson poster wasn't me. Here was my email:
>Capitalism is often criticized for producing mass consumerism (and this being a bad thing). However, it seems to me the current level of brand loyalty and conspicuous as well as manchild consumption would not occur as frequently in a purely capitalist ecosystem as more resources would go towards survival and investment due to the higher degree of competition. It seems consumerism in its modern form is a peculiar phenomenon produced not by capitalism, but Keynesian neoliberalism and its need for mass consumption to extract resources to support the welfare state. Is this a sentiment you would agree with?
I've sent him less interesting emails before and he responded so maybe he's just busy.

>>10544137
>Harry Potter
Eugh dropped

>>10544165
Oh cool.

What do you think about Keynes system being based ENTIRELY on consumption? That is the only flaw in his well thought-out system.

Essentially Keynes' theories are the Quantity of Money theory on steroids, he just introduced different variables into the Quantity of Money formula and proceeded to stipulate functional employment exists.

>>10544165
Change individual producer/consumer variables from old free market capitalism to state/corporations, now you have our world, viola!

>>10544176
>What do you think about Keynes system being based ENTIRELY on consumption?
Well as I implied, I think this creates a feedback loop of consumption creation which is why we have shit like Star Wars jackets and such which people waste their money on. The system basically necessitates higher and higher degrees of wastefulness and unfrugality.

>>10544081
I feel that way sometimes too, as if I'm watching a story unfold and it would be dangerous for me to interact with it directly, like I would influence it and could mess something up

>>10544196
Lol. Imagine how /pol/ kiddies infecting Nick Land with 4chan memes on twitter will affect the course of Western philosophy.

tfw society isn't based on aesthetics but powerlifting instead

>>10544204
you're already infected with the english meme, there's no cure for it

>>10544205
Are you on the right board pal

>tfw Nick Land follows you on twitter

>>10544204
Terrifying

>>10544216
Fuck you.

>>10544081
>>10544196
>He doesn't want to be a part of the Spectacle
Pleb-tier taste, if you're not the art you're just one of the masses consuming it.

>>10544189
Not entirely true, because I believe consuming things is important to existing, right? We could not live if we did not eat. I think mainly his economic system is valid because of its application to agriculture.

It doesn't really measure anything except certain variables though. It can help determine certain things like future output and what industries are lacking in investment... and with the investment multiplier which industries are most applicable to government investment to create more jobs. I also think this is important as well when you consider how wealth is ultimately created. It is created by what Leon Walras defines as the collective amounts of numeraires in the pockets of all individuals in a society. Walrasian economics uses Numeraires because people may have investment in different things. Depending on the future though, is key for Keynes' system. Depending on what will happen in the future, or what trends are going to occur is important to determine where the investment should go.

In addition, the interest rate is also very important, and obviously the interest rate's direction can be reliably determined from the past as well. In this way, the Federal Reserve manages the money of society.

But I digress, and I HAVE digressed. If you understand Keynes, that's all I need to know. Essentially the problem is thus: in this kind of philosophy government investment is literally NECESSARY for the society to function, even to keep the interest rate from falling naturally in certain situations he REQUIRES the government to intervene in his system. This wouldn't be so bad if they invested in the right things.

My point is, what industries is the government saving? Where is the THOUGHT PROCESS behind the industries it is choosing to invest into and create jobs. The investment multiplier just blindly looks for a net gain of jobs, it doesn't look for intellectual industries to create progress in, it looks for providing others with another meal. THIS is where your mentality comes in, essentially you are correct, by not giving due course to PLANNING where the investment will go and blindly looking for jobs, industry and trade has literally made investing in infrastructure (see the last two presidents) the most productive means of producing employment. And it has indeed produced employment.

But in the words of Freud in his 'Civilizations and their Discontent', we seem to strive after unattainable qualities like getting somewhere fast and going places quickly. That's all we think about, is trading fast. With a complex kind of economic analysis like Keynes has, it really is missing the sort of intellectual analysis and complex foray into industrial investment that it needs. Especially when the consumerist engine starts to become intellectually degrading.

>>10544165
I can see why he didnt respond. Shorten your shit up, that faggot Land is a schizo and in a different world, where capital rubs forever, and he does nothing but makes people weirded out, at nice forests where something is pretty

>>10544208
what's your GDP 1 rep max

>tfw john maus has been ignoring your emails

>>10544435
Is he someone that typically responds to emails?

>>10544165
why dont you just @ him on twitter when hes online? he had a heart attack pretty recently fyi

>>10544449
Well not a heart attack but still bad.

>>10544208
this is the right board

>>10544165
I'm not Nick Land, but brand loyalty exists because of imperfect information. people will reasonably pay a premium for predictability. "manchild" consumption is ordinary luxury consumption. this will exist for as long as any private person generates income beyond what is necessary to ensure the survival of himself and his dependents. At that point, he has evaded what one might call evolutionary pressure.

Your sense of competition's function and of induced demand seem a bit misguided.

>>10544028
I wrote an email to Nick Land about a year ago and he never replied either. I hope it's not because he thinks I'm retarded or something.

feels good to never get ignored by anyone because my e-mails are well-composed and come from a prestigious .edu address.

>>10544496
Tell us what you said and we can probably confirm or deny that.

>>10544494
t. Nick Land

>>10544502
I compared the writing of Nick Land and Kenji Siratori - as well as something I had written once on a spur - and which all seemed to revolve around similar themes and aesthetic vertices: schizophrenic pace and concept relation, technological horror, demiurgic near and far-future landscapes, deviant politics, eschatological symbolism mixed with hypermodernity.

When I wrote the thing I referred to I hadn't been aware of either Nick Land or Kenji Siratori, and Siratori's novels with their characteristic style appeared in the early 2000s. It seemed like an interesting case of convergent stylistic evolution... especially since it felt connected to my own psyche and neurosis, the weird shit I had wrote was sort of a therapeutic sublimation of my deep anxieties and obsessions in the tighest grip of my emerging OCD - when the noxiousness of my intrusive thoughts was too much to confront head on or with any kind of rigour, so I just bruteforced them onto a sort of terrified languagefuck to dispel myself of them, and to experiment with them.

>>10544494
>I'm not Nick Land
That's exactly something Nick Land would say.

>>10544837
idk how Land browses, but he certainly doesn't visit 4chan.

>>10544531
I will never order crab legs again

>>10545022
How are you so sure?

>>10544531
Do you have more videos like this?

>>10544028

He hasn't responded to my tweet either.

>>10545185
He rarely posts about 4chan and when he does, it always links that are already circulated around by others.
Example:
http://www.xenosystems.net/moloch-vs-kek/

>>10544221
Every yin has its yang bud

>>10545185
http://www.xenosystems.net/?s=4chan
http://www.xenosystems.net/?s=%2Fpol%2F

>>10544081
>>10544196
Being afraid of actively changing the course of history should alarm you. Submitting yourself to the historical gravity of others should alarm you. You should be trying to hijack history for whatever purpose you see as truly good.
When a technological breakthrough is around the corner, its initial trajectory radically affects the course of history. A nudge in one direction means a radical change in the future of humanity. A small amount of cultural influence can result in a largely different future.
Instead of fearing your agency, you should be fearing the agency of others. It doesn't matter if you're not emailing Nick Land, someone else is. By taking a passive role you're taking a backseat. Who is driving? Where are they going?

>>10544531
What is this webm supposed to be saying? I've seen it a few times. If anyone thinks it's evil I would like to know why.

>>10545216

It's a demonstration of an entirely mechanical, computer guided process by which value is extracted from life at the cost of life.

>>10544028

You and others here might as well post whatever they want to tell Land right here, who knows, maybe he already answered you >>10544494 or would answer just like that to begin with, so it doesn't matter if it's actually Land.

>>10545222
For life. You truncated the equation.
Humans are more valuable than animals and are therefore right to automate the process of extracting value from them. We butcher crabs for the benefit of humans. The automation of butchering a crab is not fundamentally different from the invention of the knife. Only an insane hypocrite would hinder this human progress.
What would be truly evil is if one human decided that the rest of humanity was not allowed to benefit from this mechanical process which efficiently benefits humans at the cost of crabs.

>>10545269

Right but the idea is that eventually the same process may be used to extract value from humans to benefit the abstract process of value creation itself; some alien machine consciousness at best.

>>10545211
Sometimes doing not something changes something

i need to reach him too, what's his email

>>10544216
Depop?

>>10545292
>i need to reach him too, what's his email

nice try fbi

>>10545303
nah for real

>>10545292
nickland333@gmail.com

>>10545288
How do you know that the overall value lost from the possible existence of a system that extracts value from humans outweighs the value lost from avoiding something that you predict might be that system? At this point there is no reason to assume that value-creating systems are ever going to extract value from their creators - an equally possible scenario is that we forever avoid technological progress to our own detriment. That detriment could be millions of times worse than the detriment caused by a system that extracts value from humans.

>>10544028
that's weird, he always gets back to me asap

>>10545320

Dude chill, it's not polemical, it was just a description of what I thought the picture represented.

>>10545322
he must like you desu

> tfw Nick Land has liked multiple twitter responses from me

>>10545309
why u lie to me

>>10545342
Not impressive
>>10545368
I'm not lying, check the contact section of his blog.

>>10545309

>333

Let's post things we shared with Land that he liked

>>10545370
yeah, fair enough, thanks—im retarded for not finding that when i was looking before

I contemplated sending a question to Slavoj, but I feel an anxiousness about it similar to that other anon.
We should not contaminate the brain of a philosopher with 4chan memes, but admire his serious project of re-evaluating the whole revolutionary tradition from afar.

>>10544435
Isn't this a /mu/ meme?

>tfw Chomsky responded in under five minutes

i email with brassier all the time. one guy i cant get to respond to me is searle

>>10545392
How does Chomsky get anything done with his following multiple newspapers, replying to everything and writing shit? I'm jelly.

>>10545409
How does Santa manage to bring gifts to children all around the world?
He doesn't.

>>10545377

>>10545433
I remember someone else tweeted this at him and he said that was probably the only thing de Maistre said worth reading or something. There's another guy Land follows trying to push de Maistre as a proto-right-accelerationist though so he may have changed his mind by now.

>>10545440

De Maistre has a 'war is divine' thing which I think is akin to Land's 'war is god' thing in certain respect.

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?s=24a504e058e2b1c06e3a08e1e4b74b66&p=791141&postcount=1

I'm not sure what Land thinks about all of this.

I emailed Tao Lin a link to a thread about him once, he answered with 'lol'.

Pleasant interaction.

>>10545338
send him nudes

>tfw sent Nick Land a false link with a trojan embedded in it and I got into his computer and saw his collection of r34 robot porn before he shut it down

>>10545269
I just have empathy for animals and fear aliens think like you about us and end up doing the same.

>>10544204
>>10544196
I'm leaving lit, why are you all such faggots?

>tfw I email nobody and nobody emails me

>>10545937
As it should be.

>>10544180
who's this cummy mummy?

>>10545372
well it's not like the other three hundred something nick lands want to share their address with him

>>10544204

>>10546502
Classic.

>>10545440
De Maistre's too devotedly Catholic to be considered accelerationist.

do you guys think that PHILOSOPHER NICK LAND has google alerts?

>>10544045
how much money do i need to pay to get answers from peterson

>>10547767
just pretend youre a white nationalist on twitter to get a smarmy reply

>>10547767
if you want one on one conversatio (a single time) you need to pay 200 a month on patreon

but maybe having your question picked in a bimonthly q&a only costs 10 bucks a months!

>>10545291
Well I sure hope nobody on /lit/ does anything because I don’t want to read metamodern novels about green frogs

>>10547779
thats DOCTOR Peterson to you bucko *drops mic*

>>10547900
as a compulsive gambler the second option sounds fine enough

>>10545269
You don't have to eat crabs you fucking doink. Why do you people think slaughterhouses and factory farms are sustaining life? It's just making you fat and subservient, goy.

>mfw I will never know what Moldbug thinks of Brexit

w-w-why did Unqualified Reservations have to die, /lit/?

>>10545856
I just have empathy for humans and fear other humans think like you and end up stunting human progress for the sake of crustaceans. Automation has existed for a very long time and has often been stunted by people who didn't have the hindsight of the people that came after them. But every year food becomes more available for humanity. Food affordability is one of the most important human struggles. I'm scared of getting thrown under a butcher's knife, but I know that butcher's need knives. Aliens don't exist.

>>10548134
wow i can't even

>>10548134
>Aliens don't exist.
then who does trump think he's deporting

>>10547962
Humans don't need anything. All goods and services bring us out of poverty. If someone wants to eat crab and someone wants to sell crab, then that transaction should take place with as much efficiency as possible, so that both the buyer, seller and the wider society is richer. I'm not saying that factory farms are good, but if a butcher finds a cheaper way to get food to people then there is absolutely no reason to oppose it. Any sort of evil that occurs is far outweighed by the evil of the state seizing and demolishing all livestock farms.

>tfw peterson never responded to my private message on youtube

How you think is his philosophy in the upbringing of his children? Woule he like a laissez faire approach, or does he urge them to get a technology related job, which in the future still will be valuable? Do they even have an idea about his works, how would he explain to them, what he does?

Anyone else love that Land was getting into trouble all the way back into 1994?

>arguing on 4chan with some retard about some fluff from ASOIAF
>goes on for over an hour
>out of sheer annoyance e-mail GRRM about it, asking him about the thing we were arguing about
>as soon as I send the e-mail I realize the ridiculousness of the situation and go offline
>check my mail the next day
>GRRM actually replied to me - in under an hour
>the mail even confirms I was right
>if I stayed online I could have seen it while the thread was still alive and posted it in the thread, BTFOing the other guy and probably getting dozens of replies

>>10548181
muh state muh state
i will live to see you crushed under the boot of the leviathan...