/lit/ - Literature

Mods deleted tiebreaker thread and I decided to give up. I’ll put the link here and see if it doesn’t get removed.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScjN5qpSFRUuOwvfTf6jYlmIuiGF2FPXqiKcIR-l-wwSKedAg/viewform?usp=sf_link

I’ll put in the votes that are confirmed too.

>>10498443
I forgot the tripcode I was using should be unbanned by now. Fucking jannies.

>>10498443
You're at the final push now, don’t give up just yet. It looks good, but can I ask that the Odyssey have a different cover than the meme translation?

>>10498443
>IJ at 1
>Stoner at 7
You stupid fucks

>>10498486
I like it, and it’s the one I’ve got(Christmas present). Feel free to post any preferred covers though. That applies to anyone.

>>10498513
Infinite Jest is the greatest book ever written. Fuck off newfriend

>>10498539
It’s currently Moby Dick>Ulysses>IJ>Gravity’s Rainbow>The Bible>Lolita>Stoner

Why is lolita always so high, yet when I post about it everyone tells me to fuckoff to cnnychan?

>>10498443
Awful poll of books, also there shouldnt be the same titles of always, top 20 of last year shouldn't be able to participate

The discordfags raided it

>>10498562
because people with decent taste shouldn't be wasting their time with brainlets.

>>10498443
The same books are list for multiple vote tallies. Why is that?

>>10498418
He realized how inferior it was to the discord list.

>>10498608
I left it open for /lit/ to fix and they fucked it up. I’m fixing it now, if you vote for the one with more votes(or both) it will count. I’ll post here when I’m done so you can check if you want.

>>10498684
I got together all the covers for 5+ votes, and fixed the dupes in the process.

Check for errors etc.
The red text says SAMPLE, and I'm too lazy to open GIMP and do transparency.

>>10498787
Something’s up with my tripcode. That’s me.

>>10498787
>>10498792
keep going anon. don't be bullied by the mods.

fuck the mods. they can go back to discord.

>>10498787
Ooh it’s taking shape. There's an error on #24
>Platonic Dialouges

>>10498787
the bible has a weird gap between Rainbow and Lolita

>>10498830
keeping its distance

>>10498836
Swap Culture of Critique out, because it is non-fiction, and put in Frankenstein.

>>10498787

>>10498842
that's the fake 1

>>10498787
This shit is always dumb. Might as well make it a top 20 list because trying listing anything else is redundant and awkward due to lack of votes.

>>10498847
might as well kys...

>>10498840
I'm really embarrassed that Culture of Critique was included especially at so high a rating as 45th. Mein Kampf almost made it on the 2016 list but just barely didn't have enough votes

>>10498787
>Using the Emily Wilson cover of Homer's Odyssey

>>10498845
There is no 'fake' one, dumbass.

>>10498518
Compare:

Sing in me, Muse, and through me tell the story
of that man skilled in all ways of contending,
the wanderer, harried for years on end,
after he plundered the stronghold
on the proud height of Troy.
He saw the townlands
and learned the minds of many distant men,
and weathered many bitter nights and days
in his deep heart at sea, while he fought only
to save his life, to bring his shipmates home.
But not by will nor valor could he save them,
for their own recklessness destroyed them all —
children and fools, they killed and feasted on
the cattle of Lord Hęlios, the Sun,
and he who moves all day through the heaven
took from their eyes the dawn of their return. . . .
-Fitzgerald

Tell me about a complicated man.
Muse, tell me how he wandered and was lost
when he had wrecked the holy town of Troy,
and where he went, and who he met, the pain
he suffered in the storms at sea, and how
he worked to save his life and bring his men
back home. He failed to keep them safe; poor fools;
they ate the Sun God's cattle, and the god
kept them from home. Now goddess, child of Zeus,
Tell the old story for our modern times.
Find the beginning
-Wilson

I know her cover is nicer, but do you see the difference in quality?

>>10498787
>culture of critique
so OP was /pol/ all along, guess there won't be a 2017 chart after all

>>10498874
They're both horrible desu

>>10498828
Fixed

>>10498830
The image I used was wider than the other books. Should I crop it or use pic related?

>>10498840
The Bible's there tho, so it's not a fiction list.
>>10498858
I tried to put it in the bottom option in the poll, but people got butthurt. There's a good chance I'll make an editorial decision to remove tho.
>>10498879
see above

>>10498842
Nice vote counts.

>>10498860
I already offered to change any covers if there's one someone prefers.

>>10498874
I like the attempt at actually translating into poetry(I think she used iambic pentameter, with the justification that it's the rhythm of English, as dactylic hexameter was for Ancient Greek), and the lines matching up is nice too. It feels like more of a retelling of the narrative than translation of the text. If someone posts that cover in a usable format I'll put it in tho.

>>10498881
Well of course you've read it in Attic Greek, haven’t you?

>>10498885
yes
>Sing in me, Muse, and through me tell the story
Is this stilted shit what passes for a good translation in angloland?

>>10498882
>I tried to put it in the bottom option in the poll, but people got butthurt
Not unless you mean the guy who posted it in any random thread every day for several months and tried to force it next to other book covers. Mods are right to delete those pictures as spam, and "trying to force it next to other books" looks suspiciously like what you're doing now.

>>10498912
There was initially an option in the 4 votes section of the tiebreaker poll which read ”Culture of Critique(got 8 votes but doesn’t deserve a guaranteed place)” and there were several different anons criticising that in the last thread, and someone took time to move it to the 8 votes slot when I opened up the vote counts to being checked. I didn’t want it there, but I care more about being done with this poll than arguing over Culture Of Critique. This board is so fucking pretentious and entitled(you included).

>>10498938
Forgot to tripcode

>>10498865
Yes there is, idiot.....

>>10498945
You do youmst. Get rid of CoC if you want. No one will cry about it but those deserving of tears.

>Milk and Honey Turtles all the Way Down Culture of Critique Ulysses Infinite Jest
>Culture Of Critique Infinite Jest Pale King Notes From Underground Animal Farm Bugs.. Easy On The Carrots
>100 Jokes for Minecrafters My Imortal Culture of Critique Rick and Morty We don't need a list every year Infinite Jest
>My Twisted World Milk and Honey Culture of Critique Cat Person The Recognitions To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty
>fanged noumena ulysses infinite jest gravity's rainbow culture of critique marxism
>No Longer Human Stoner Culture of Critique Hitler's Revolution Mein Kampf OP
>Mein Kampf Culture of Critique Ride the Tiger The Kantos On Jazz Das Kapital
>culture of critique fanged noumena ulysses gravity's rainbow infinite jest marx
>Moby dick Jkob von gunten Atp Fanged noumena Critique of culture Drumpf
not half of these look like real votes and 3 aren't even trying to hide they're the same person, OP seems more dedicated to it than the CoC spamposter desu

>>10498959
You possibly be suggesting–
could you? Oh dear.

>>10498938
Like there are "several different anons" samefagging in /pol/ threads whose posts just happen to be deleted at the same time when one gets banned

>>10498963
Lighten up, it doesn't sound like OP wants it in there for personal reasons.
But yeah, CoC is legit a meme. It's like Zettle's Traum shilled by /pol/ or /pol/-false flaggers to trigger people when they see it up among The Trilogy books.its and easy judgement call to make, but it's yours to make OP.

>>10498950
Sounds like you're crying. As OP said, the Bible's there and so its not a fiction list. If you don't like a book that's up to you, but this is not a safespace.

>>10498978
No one here has read that shit dude lol.

>>10498982
it's time for you to head on over to reddit, little buddy

>>10498989
I'm staying put, dude.

daily reminder OP is a discordfag trying to replace his fake 2017 chart with a an even faker 2017 chart with fake votes and ballot stuffing

report and sage

>>10498959
You had every chance to point this out in the week this has been going on. Just because I’m actually going to finish this off, and your favourite meme list won’t be the canonical one for this year doesn’t mean you have to be a little bitch about it.

>>10498963
Fuck off. Not everything is a fucking psyop. I know for a fact that I don’t have the energy to run the sort of racket you seem to be imagining.

>>10498978
At this point I’ll probably also put out a pink/white safe space version without Culture of Critique. As it is, it’s hit more responses than Against Nature on the current poll, which requires Google’s authentication, so I’ll say it deserves its place just for the outsize impact it’s had on the board.

>>10498418
>>10498443
join the discord to coordinate votes guys

https://discord.gg/XZ4wrZR

>>10498882
Just because the silent majority of lit ignores old bait doesnt mean the remaining pol posters represent the board, OP.
I don't normally bother but since you want others to tell you this, yes, you can just ignore them.

>>10498938
OP confirmed for faggot
go back to r/books

>>10498879
op is and always has been a /pol/ faggot trying to force his own memes
chart threads are always cancer

>>10499021 was me, forgot to tripcode(how do those fags remember?)

>>10499019
That’s why I made the results spreadsheet open, of course.

>>10499023
Personally, I was tolerating the old bait. If there were enough votes, I was letting it through. I was happy Milk and Honey didn’t make it.

>>10499024
I’m sorry for listening to the board. If you can’t handle a conspiracy theory being associated with your online identity, leave.

>>10499036
Jesus Christ. It’s 1/100 if the chart, but it probably had more than 1/100 of the posts last year. If people weren’t voting for it, it wouldn’t be in there.

>>10499021
or you could fix the mistakes instead of doubling down on them
I think someone already pointed out that half of the "Pan" votes were for Pantagruel

>>10499044
daily reminder the "open" spreadsheet was edited by OP at will so he could force memes he liked and ignore what people actually vote for
daily reminder OP faked votes and deleted votes

>>10498443
For fuck's sake, please don't tell me you've given up this far into the endeavor. You can do it, guy.

>>10499044
>it probably had more than 1/100 of the posts last year
Discord also reposted its fake chart a lot. That doesn't make it any more related to /lit/ than McDonald.

>>10499052
I left the spreadsheet open for a solid 15 hours for everything to get fixed. At this point, I’m beyond caring about your petty nagging. I’ll fix Pan in the final if you manage to avoid being such a snide cunt.

>>10499054
That’s why it was split into “responses”(all human responses, including samefagging), “with spam”(with the 1k of scripted submissions left in), and “unique”(responses less samefagging). I’m literally untouchable.

>>10499059
I’d still going, right now I’m just arguing as something to do while watching Buffy.

>>10499064
I mean, CoC is a book, and it belongs on a book chart. I can’t put a book *chart* on another chart.

>>10499102
>CoC is a book, and it belongs on a book chart
you are wrong, it has nothing to do with /lit/ or any /lit/ posters, its some pol bait and it ruins the entire chart, if it stays in the chart then the discord chart will remain king

>>10499123
The Bible says the Jews literally voted to kill god. Does it not deserve a place?

>>10499127
fuck off back to pol

>>10498443
>Brother's Karamazov is 11th place instead of at least the top 3
>it's below Lolita
Christ almighty

>>10499138
“Though in many natural objects, whiteness refiningly enhances beauty, as if imparting some special virtue of its own, as in marbles, japonicas, and pearls; and though various nations have in some way recognised a certain royal pre-eminence in this hue; even the barbaric, grand old kings of Pegu placing the title "Lord of the White Elephants" above all their other magniloquent ascriptions of dominion; and the modern kings of Siam unfurling the same snow-white quadruped in the royal standard; and the Hanoverian flag bearing the one figure of a snow-white charger; and the great Austrian Empire, Caesarian, heir to overlording Rome, having for the imperial color the same imperial hue; and though this pre-eminence in it applies to the human race itself, giving the white man ideal mastership over every dusky tribe; and though, besides all this, whiteness has been even made significant of gladness, for among the Romans a white stone marked a joyful day; and though in other mortal sympathies and symbolizings, this same hue is made the emblem of many touching, noble things - the innocence of brides, the benignity of age; though among the Red Men of America the giving of the white belt of wampum was the deepest pledge of honor; though in many climes, whiteness typifies the majesty of Justice in the ermine of the Judge, and contributes to the daily state of kings and queens drawn by milk-white steeds; though even in the higher mysteries of the most august religions it has been made the symbol of the divine spotlessness and power; by the Persian fire worshippers, the white forked flame being held the holiest on the altar; and in the Greek mythologies, Great Jove himself made incarnate in a snow-white bull; and though to the noble Iroquois, the midwinter sacrifice of the sacred White Dog was by far the holiest festival of their theology, that spotless, faithful creature being held the purest envoy they could send to the Great Spirit with the annual tidings of their own fidelity; and though directly from the Latin word for white, all Christian priests derive the name of one part of their sacred vesture, the alb or tunic, worn beneath the cassock; and though among the holy pomps of the Romish faith, white is specially employed in the celebration of the Passion of our Lord; though in the Vision of St. John, white robes are given to the redeemed, and the four- and-twenty elders stand clothed in white before the great white throne, and the Holy One that sitteth there white like wool; yet for all these accumulated associations, with whatever is sweet, and honorable, and sublime, there yet lurks an elusive something in the innermost idea of this hue, which strikes more of panic to the soul than that redness which affrights in blood.”

Does Moby Dick need to fuck off to /pol/?

no it is (you) that has to go back to pol.

>>10498539
What a embarrassing post

>>10499151
(you), or (((you)))?

>>10499141
Literally nothing wrong with that.

>>10499169
You have to go back

I ran a strawpoll in >>10499048 and it’s pretty clear Culture of Critique isn’t wanted. I’ll get rid of it.

See how democracy works?

>>>10499413
>caring about (((their))) votes
so much for a legitimate poll. you're just another cuck
democracy my ass. we voted for it and before gonna remove it after some shitty strawpoll

>>10499431
I know it doesn’t deserve to be on the list, and I think you do too. I left the poll open expecting something like this would happen, but not that both side would be so inexorably insufferable. This is supposed to represent the board at large, not this year’s crop of newfriends. I’ll probably do the chart with/without at his point, but you all need to learn to shut the fuck up and let things happen.

>>10499530
we already have a chart we don't need your "I'm here to save the board" faggotry you attention seeking bitch

>>10499548
Nice vote counts

>>10499557
go back to r/books snowflake newfag
>m-muh poll
>m-muh imgur charts
>STOP CRITICISING ME WHY DON'T YOU ALL LOVE ME
literally kys

>>10499570
Hey, I’ve seen you before.

>>10499583
>>10499570
>>10499557
>>10499548
>>10499530
>>10499431
>>10499413
>>10499172
>>10499169
>>10499159
>>10499157
>>10499151

newfag.

>>10499583
idk what you're >implying
with your samefagging
but you are indeed starting to sound unhinged

>>10499604
But samefagging implies I try to hide it. I’ve either tripcoded or pointed out that it’s me.

>THE ABSOLUTE STATE of the surveyfag
power complex is a bitch, eh percy?

>>10499607
>take off tripcode
>pretend to post as a different anon
>pit tripxcode back on and reply to (You)
aka what you've been doing this entire thread
wow that was hard

>>10499613
>>10499611
>>10499607
you're all samefag aren't you

WHAT IS EVEN REAL ANYMORE AHHHHHHH

>>10499611
You can tell they’re new because they like usernames. This is the first person I’ve seen type out “surveyfag”.

>>10499613
That’s baseless slander!

>>10499626
I’m honestly uncertain. Can someone on desktop watch the poster count?

>>10499530
you need to stop caring about bait

>>10499627
>going on his phone to samefag
the absolute mad lad. unstoppable.

>>10499629
As I said before, I’m doing this while watching Buffy. I hope Joyce gets her brain tumour out.

>>10499635
>he forgot to put hisntrip back on after replying to his samefagged message
top kek

>>10499632
>implying I haven’t been phoneposting this whole time
The only desktop posts are the one with the chart and the initial link.

>>10499637
I already have enough (you)s without samefagging. My app doesn’t remember tripcodes very well.

>>10499649
>>10499635
>>10499632
>>10499629
>>10499627
Whatever you say Discord anons. Whatever you say.

>>10498448
>>10498443
Dont give up man.
Not only is your poll legitamate you are also the least toxic of all these wanna be pollfags.
Keep us updated and don't worry too much about getting The BEST bookcover.

So he’s removing a book that made it to the top 50 just because he doesn’t like contents of said book? What kind of bull shit is this?

FUCK

YOU

DISCORD

FUCK

YOU

DISCORD

>>10499627
>>10499635
>>10499649
stfu discordnigger

>>10500252
nice falseflag discord faggot

>>10500253
youre not fooling anyone discord soymale

>>10500257
cuck da doodle cuck

I hear the whines of a discord cuck

the chad fake chart vs the virgin reddit democratic chart

>>10500259
too dee do dee doo
soymales use discord and so do you

>>10498845
Ironically this fake ones is among the best charts ive seen on lit since i first started coming here. Never fails to baffle me how you faggots ignore serious philosophy as great literature but at least you guys arent reading total pleb fiction. Shits pretty in line with the meta "good books" lists out there, tho obvs we all have our biases
>Needs more Russian
>Needs more Krazsnahorkai
>Needs me you get it

>>10500291
It might be a good list but goes completely against the idea of /lit/'s 20XX Best Books Ever Written List, since the "better" list was compiled by some 7 guys on discord or whatever and not by a couple dozens of actual /lit/ users.
How are you too dense to understand something as simple as that???

>>10500315
Who cares about "muh actual /lit/ users". They don't even read the books they vote for. The representative books of the ideal /lit/ are what should be on the chart. Not the shitty excrement of the collective illiterate filth that /lit/ is today.

>>10500336
>The representative books of the ideal /lit/ are what should be on the chart.
You are retarded.
SImply braindead retarded only surviving off of IV drops.
You are perhaps one of the faggots who possibly would ruin such a /lit/ users list which is why you cant see it being a possibilty.
Leave this board and kys to make sure you never come back.

>>10500359
I leave this board often, to read.

I advise you do the same more often.

>>10500359
i red da cultoor of kritiq, dun furgut da juice

>>10498787
Finish the last 2 rows so I can screenshot u nigger

>>10498443
>2017
its 2018 my man

>>10499530
>complains about crop of newfriends
>when he's doing the thing that brings in the most newfriends possible

>>10498787
>Two books by Hamsun and one of them is Pan
I am extremely pleased by this

>>10499604
>samefagging
Anon, he left the tripcode on. Are you stupid?

>>10500240
Kek. Pretty much this.

>>10501071
>>10500240
/pol/ must be obliterated no matter the costs. everyone knows that there are at most 5 retarded niggers shilling this excuse of a book

I am a christian right-wing, but sometimes /pol/ disgusts me so much I'd rather be a leftist than being having anything in common with poltards

>>10498443
no wonder why the mods deleted those threads. it's impossible to create such charts since the reddit invasion.

>>10500240
Neither the retard spamming it nor /lit/ have read the book, nobody gives a shit about the contents

>>10498787
>JR goes from 5 to 63
A-at least The Recognitions is top 20

>>10501083
(first guy you responded to)

I'm not even /pol/. That place probably has more anti-/pol/ baiters and strongly pro-Israel Jews shilling "based Israel" than kids larping as Nazis.

FWIW, I'm right-wing too when it comes to politics. Yet I'm actually pretty centrist on economic matters. Non-American if that helps.

The author of CoC is a prof who has done his research, though. Whether or not his conclusions make some uncomfortable is another matter.

>>10501200
This is why the discord chart will remain king
it's actually good

>muh board culture
kys

>>10498787
Why is Paradise Lost always so far behind

>>10501424
to make room for CoC

stay bluepilled

>>10500336
I have read a number of the books on the list, by way of reading /lit/. The majority probably haven't read near any of the books, but the reading portion of /lit/ definitely have. If you disagree you're probably just being overly-cynical.

>>10498787
Good luck anon. I don't know if anyone will believe me, although why would I lie about it. But I remember making the 2015 list more than two years ago. I also made a top 100 authors list which was pretty fun and isn't posted here that often it seems. I remember oversleeping once and being late for work since I worked so long on it one night.

Most of these charts get ruined due to the rating system. Instead of jacking off on whether Moby Dick or Ulysses is better, how about we make sure the last half of the chart isn't filler.

>>10502573
the last half is what is important. This isn't a best list, it's a list of books lit is interested in. The little bit of variety and obscurity in the bottom portion of the list is the exciting part.

>>10501570
I considered doing authors, but looking at how this has gone so far I decided to stick with best meme. I’m not sure who’ll do next years though, considering this one was started on the 30th of December.