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>Behold! I show you The Ultimate Man. "What is love? What is creation? What is longing? What is a star?" – asks the Ultimate Man and blinks. The earth has then become small and on it there hops the Ultimate Man who makes everything small. His race is as ineradicable as the flea; the Ultimate Man lives longest. "We have discovered happiness"— say the Ultimate Men and blink. They have left the regions where it is hard to live; for they need warmth. One still loves one’s neighbour and rubs again him; for one needs warmth. Sickness and mistrust they consider sinful: they walk warily. He is a fool who still stumbles over stones or over men! A little poison now and then: that makes for pleasant dreams. And a lot of poison at the end for a pleasant death. One still works for work is a pastime. But they take care that this pastime does not weary them. No-one becomes poor or rich anymore; both are too wearying. Who still wants to rule? Who still wants to obey? Both are too much of a burden. No herdsman and one herd! Everyone wants the same, everyone is the same: whoever thinks otherwise goes voluntarily into the madhouse. "Before, the whole world was mad"— say the cleverest amongst them and blink. They are clever and know all that has ever happened: so there is no end to their mockery. People still quarrel, but are soon reconciled— otherwise indigestion would result. They have their little pleasures for the day and their little pleasures for the night: but they respect health. "We have discovered happiness "— say the Ultimate Men and blink.

Why aren't you Ultimate, /lit/?

>> No.10478486

>>10478482
Baby don't hurt me

>> No.10478524

>>10478482
What a complete butchering of quotes.

>> No.10479395

Was his obsession with blinking just to ridicule the last man or is there something else to it

>> No.10479417

>>10478482
I think the point is that the Ultimate Man is pathetic.

>> No.10479421

>>10478482
So is the Ultimate man is a big guy but the last man thinks he's in charge here?

>> No.10479451

>>10479421
it's the same concept just a different translation
like übermensch being called overman or superman

>> No.10480200

>>10479421
>>10479451
This passage is describing the last-man, which is the complete opposite of the uber-man.

>> No.10480228

>>10478482
Why did you read the faggot translation?

>> No.10480243

>>10478482
Ted Kaczynski seal of approval?

>> No.10480259

So are we making fun of OP now for thinking Nietzsche was praising the 'Ultimate Man' or what?

I mean seriously, I know sometimes Nietzschean philosophy is a bit opaque because sardonic and dense, but seriously OP how the fuck did you miss the point of this???

>> No.10480387
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10480387

>>10480200
can you read?

>> No.10480395

>>10480387
What's the fucking problem?

Ultimate = last

This is how english works.

>> No.10480414

No one wants to be an Ubermensch, because you are alone this world with this view. You cannot make others this way, you can only guide as a Buddha.

>> No.10480455

>>10480395
anon 1 thought last man and ultimate man were 2 different people, anon 2 explained they were just different translations and used the übermensch example to show this
nobody thought the übermensch was mentioned in the quoted passage

>> No.10480456

>>10480455
Uh...yes?

>> No.10480474

>>10480456
Dont worry anon that person is small brain.

He doesn't understand you were asking about two similar but different ideas, and that you were asking for a comperative answer.

>> No.10480479

>>10480474
my first reply is the one with the equal sign

I have no idea what's going on. Initially I thought someone was confused because he didn't understand ultimate = last

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10480484

>>10480479
I'm the poster of
>>10480200
I think >>10480387
is right in that I might have been confused and misinterpreted this thread because of the reason outlined in >>10480259

Confusing thread all around. Was >>10480200
an attempted bane-post?

>> No.10480485

>>10479451


This person Understood the above passage wrongly

>>10480479
This is you
>>10480200
This person is correct.
>>10479421
This person was asking for a comparison

>> No.10480488

>>10479421
i meant this as the suspected bane post

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>>10480484
>>10480485
ahhh the convenience of anonymity
im the asshole poster btw

>>10480488
i finally understood that, a bit too subtle

>> No.10480496

WOW. The intensity of this thread just went up by 200 in 2 seconds. You could analyze this very thread for aeons.

>> No.10480519

>>10479395
I think the blinking stuff is supposed to signify they don't do anything else. There's no reaction. They ponder these great things but they just leave them at that and the next thing they do is blink with a straight, unchanged face.

>> No.10480524

>>10480496
You could analyze the asshole of a monkey for aeons and still have learned nothing. What's your point?

>> No.10480761

What is the best Nietzsche translation?

>> No.10481044

pretty kafkaesque trhead my dudes

>> No.10481119

>>10480519
I once saw an interpretation here which was pretty convincing, namely that blinking, being an automatic act unless you pay attention to it, is also in someone's nature. So the last man's sayings and doings are also what resonate with his nature (or rather ehat is dominant in him) and go unchallenged by himself.