/lit/ - Literature

>>10474155
That's right.

>>10474155
this dude is so wrong all the time, it's incredible. you can make your way through life just doing the exact opposite of what he did

>>10474209
List five assertions he has made and tell us why each of them is wrong.

>>10474209
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bertrand_Russell

I'll help you out. Here's some quotes.

>>10474223
>god is probably not real
>everythign is dependednt on physics and statistics
>things that cannot be meausred at this exact moment are a pie in the sky
>I don't want anyone to know I wrote a terrible book called a history of philosophy
>they were all dependent on questioning their religion to advance the sciences

>>10474155
>>10474160
>>10474209


Things Bertrand Russel was Right About (part 1):

"No nation was ever so virtuous as each believes itself, and none was ever so wicked as each believes the other."

"When people begin to philosophize they seem to think it necessary to make themselves artificially stupid."

"A hallucination is a fact, not an error; what is erroneous is a judgment based upon it."


"It is preoccupation with possession, more than anything else, that prevents men from living freely and nobly."

"Men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth – more than ruin, more even than death. Thought is subversive and revolutionary, destructive and terrible; thought is merciless to privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habits; thought is anarchic and lawless, indifferent to authority, careless of the well-tried wisdom of the ages. Thought looks into the pit of hell and is not afraid. It sees man, a feeble speck, surrounded by unfathomable depths of silence; yet it bears itself proudly, as unmoved as if it were lord of the universe. Thought is great and swift and free, the light of the world, and the chief glory of man."

"The best life is the one in which the creative impulses play the largest part and the possessive impulses the smallest."

"My desire and wish is that the things I start with should be so obvious that you wonder why I spend my time stating them. This is what I aim at because the point of philosophy is to start with something so simple as not to seem worth stating, and to end with something so paradoxical that no one will believe it."

"The scientific attitude of mind involves a sweeping away of all other desires in the interests of the desire to know—it involves suppression of hopes and fears, loves and hates, and the whole subjective emotional life, until we become subdued to the material, able to see it frankly, without preconceptions, without bias, without any wish except to see it as it is, and without any belief that what it is must be determined by some relation, positive or negative, to what we should like it to be, or to what we can easily imagine it to be."

"Organic life, we are told, has developed gradually from the protozoon to the philosopher, and this development, we are assured, is indubitably an advance. Unfortunately it is the philosopher, not the protozoon, who gives us this assurance."

>>10474248
Got it. Now I know your problem with him.
Figured it came from a standpoint of Theism and Traditionalism. Hardly surprised. This is 4chan after all. Where bitter loses go to scream about how Blacks, Jews, Atheism science, and collectivism have ruined everything.

>>10474248
>everythign is dependednt on physics and statistics

he didn't say that

>>things that cannot be meausred at this exact moment are a pie in the sky

he didn't say that either.

The guy believed in a-priori knowledge, was a rationalist, and thought universals existed. You haven't read him

>>10474262

>>10474223
Bert, great to see you old friend! I'm glad to see you've enjoyed my theories, it's always nice when someone is willing to admit their entire worldview is naive. You did it for Frege, I did it for you! Perhaps you'll admit your atheism is equally naive, but I suppose we'll see! Anywho, I must be off, Adele is at home cooking my meal, I don't know what I would do without her! God Bless you Bert, and Happy New Year! Oh sorry, Happy New Year is sufficient for you I suppose, you old grump!

>>10474262
Part 2:

"One of the most horrible things about commercialism is the way in which it poisons the relations of men and women. The evils of prostitution are generally recognized, but, great as they are, the effect of economic conditions on marriage seems to me even worse. There is not infrequently, in marriage, a suggestion of purchase, of acquiring a woman on condition of keeping her in a certain standard of material comfort. Often and often, a marriage hardly differs from prostitution except by being harder to escape from. The whole basis of these evils is economic. Economic causes make marriage a matter of bargain and contract, in which affection is quite secondary, and its absence constitutes no recognized reason for liberation. Marriage should be a free, spontaneous meeting of mutual instinct, filled with happiness not unmixed with a feeling akin to awe: it should involve that degree of respect of each for the other that makes even the most trifling interference with liberty an utter impossibility, and a common life enforced by one against the will of the other an unthinkable thing of deep horror."

"Government by majorities can be made less oppressive by devolution, by placing the decision of questions primarily affecting only a section of the community in the hands of that section, rather than of a Central Chamber. In this way, men are no longer forced to submit to decisions made in a hurry by people mostly ignorant of the matter in hand and not personally interested."

"The method of "postulating" what we want has many advantages; they are the same as the advantages of theft over honest toil."

"People seem good while they are oppressed, but they only wish to become oppressors in their turn: life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim."

"Nine-tenths of the activities of a modern Government are harmful; therefore the worse they are performed, the better."

"Mystery is delightful, but unscientific, since it depends upon ignorance."

"There is no logical impossibility in the hypothesis that the world sprang into being five minutes ago, exactly as it then was, with a population that "remembered" a wholly unreal past. There is no logically necessary connection between events at different times; therefore nothing that is happening now or will happen in the future can disprove the hypothesis that the world began five minutes ago." -- NOTE (for brainlets): HE IS NOT ASSERTING THAT THE HYPOTHESIS IS TRUE, MERELY THAT IT IS UNFALSIFIABLE. GOD IS SIMILARLY AN UNFALSIFIABLE HYPOTHESIS

"Written words differ from spoken words in being material structures. A spoken word is a process in the physical world, having an essential time-order; a written word is a series of pieces of matter, having an essential space-order."


"The tendency of our perceptions is to emphasise increasingly the objective elements in an impression, unless we have some special reason, as artists have, for doing the opposite."

>>10474262
>"The best life is the one in which the creative impulses play the largest part and the possessive impulses the smallest."

These are the words of a known cuckold alright

>>10474286
>It's yet another ribbit versus reddit episode

do you have anything to actually say sweetums

>>10474267
>>10474283
>defending a known cuckold and two-faced coward
Witt would look down on you if he wasn't rolling in his grave

>>10474267
>Blacks, Jews, Atheism science, and collectivism have ruined everything.
Nope, but they are a negative nonetheless (except muh science that you inserted for brainlet points).
Besides, Bertrand was wrong on many other things. Not to point that the guy was a cuck. Not an unfortunate my-wife-cheated-on-me one, a willing cum eating cuckhold.

>>10474299
C-c-cuuuuck!
K--k-k--kike
rREeeeeeddit
Jejjejeweew

>>10474314
He was literally a cuckold, did you never read his biography?

>there are people that unironically like brainlet brussels

>>10474310
Notice how on 4chan none of the reactionary trolls have anything of substance to say or refute genuinely intelligent thoughts? They just accuse you of being something only they find offensive.

What's that sweetums? You can't refute russel? Well better accuse me of being a reddit kike cuck nigger fag jew race traitor coward

/pol/ the so-called nexus of free speech tends to delete my threads and ban me because I assert too many correct things.

What do you know? It's actually the reactionaries who are not only cowards, but have nothing of substance to ever say except "YOU HAVE TO GO BACK"

>>10474316
he ran out of thinks, don't even try to communicate

>>10474314
he literally raised MULTIPLE of his wifes sons that she had after his marriage

>>10474316
>he was a c-c-c-cukkkk m8y

I don't give a fuck you brainless cretin. Refute the things he actually said. Being a cuck doesn't make you wrong about anything. The only thing it makes you is a fucking cuck. Or are you too fucking stupid to understand categories? You must be.

>>10474324
Why come to a website that is literally fundamentally structured to promote content found most provocative in short spaces of time and get this buttblasted that the discourse isn't as rationally delineated and civil as you would like?
In the most sincere way possible, fuck off to reddit

>>10474335
It proves hes just saying what people want to hear

What's your favorite brainlet Russel moments?
I can't choose between his controversy with Poincaré (an actual brilliant mathematician) and his, ahem, interpretation of Nietzsche.
Then again I recently read "has man a future", a fine piece of brainletism that shows a powerful grasp of geopolitics.
>>10474335
>>10474324
Defend any of the above in the thread.
Defend anything from his controversy with Poincaré or from the entire "history" of philosophy he wrote.

>>10474335
Cuck philosophy leads to being a cuck. Its all you need to know to dismiss a thinker

>>10474298
Part 3:

"Physics is mathematical not because we know so much about the physical world, but because we know so little: it is only its mathematical properties that we can discover."

"To save the world requires faith and courage: faith in reason, and courage to proclaim what reason shows to be true."

"I believe that love of truth is the basis of all real virtue, and that virtues based upon lies can only do harm."

"Jealousy and possessiveness kill love." (what a fucking KEK)

"I think all the great religions of the world - Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity, Islam, and Communism - both untrue and harmful. It is evident as a matter of logic that, since they disagree, not more than one of them can be true. With very few exception, the religions which a man accepts is that of the community in which he lives, which makes it obvious that the influence of environment is what has led him to accept the religion in question."

"I do not think that the real reason why people accept religion has anything to do with argumentation. They accept religion on emotional grounds. One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion, because religion makes men virtuous. So I am told; I have not noticed it."

"A good world needs knowledge, kindliness, and courage; it does not need a regretful hankering after the past, or a fettering of the free intelligence by the words uttered long ago by ignorant men."

"The infliction of cruelty with a good conscience is a delight to moralists. That is why they invented Hell."

"Every man, wherever he goes, is encompassed by a cloud of comforting convictions, which move with him like flies on a summer day."

"Next to enjoying ourselves, the next greatest pleasure consists in preventing others from enjoying themselves, or, more generally, in the acquisition of power."

"Advocates of capitalism are very apt to appeal to the sacred principles of liberty, which are embodied in one maxim: The fortunate must not be restrained in the exercise of tyranny over the unfortunate."

"Children must be under authority, and are themselves aware that they must be, although they like to play a game of rebellion at times. The case of children is unique in the fact that those who have authority over them are sometimes fond of them. Where this is the case, the children do not resent the authority in general, even when they resist it on particular occasions. Education authorities, as opposed to teachers, have not this merit, and do in fact sacrifice the children to what they consider the good of the State by teaching them "patriotism," i.e., a willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons."

"The most essential characteristic of scientific technique is that it proceeds from experiment, not from tradition."

>>10474357
Wow you could publish volumes with irrefutable logic like that..

I'm sorry you're so afraid.

>>10474364
>"Physics is mathematical not because we know so much about the physical world, but because we know so little: it is only its mathematical properties that we can discover."

NOW I'M STARTING TO GET ANGRY

>>10474262
1. People don't make themselves artificially stupid when they philosophize, unless he thinks he's making himself artificially stupid by going to such basic axioms that it takes him half a volume to prove 1+1=2. They too simply reduce the axioms with which to work.

2. A hallucination, is in fact, and error, which is why judgments based on hallucinations are in error. If a hallucination was not an error, there would be no issue with making a judgement based on it.

3. Men do not fear thought. They love thought. They can't escape thought. They find themselves daydreaming and hypothesizing for no reason other than the joy of it. Thought is creative and uplifting, contains within it the capacity to recreate and advance and progress; thought is structured yet creative, abiding by Reason and the Understanding (most of the time) and yet constantly pondering new ideas. Thought abides by the authority it implicitly accepts as true, whether that be the authority of sensory data, or logical propositions, or whatnot. Thought looks up to heaven and is overjoyed to find it. It sees man, a noble consciousness, surrounded by a symphony of boundless, joyous creation, and is drawn into this symphony, as though it were the blessed servant of the universe. Thought is great and swift and free, the light of the world, and the chief glory of man.

4. A life's quality is totally independent of its creative impulse. The creative man with boundless possession may be unhappier than the dull man with little to his name. The only thing that makes one happier is being content; creative impulses mean literally nothing.

5. Russel aimed to start with something so simple it wasn't worth stating, and got btfo by Godel who showed his system STILL wasn't sufficient.

I could go on, but of those statement only the first, maybe fourth, and also the final one possesses any wit or truth.

>>10474368
He wrote so much and all anyone got out of was
>cuck
>fedora
>im a hack

>>10474262
>"A hallucination is a fact, not an error; what is erroneous is a judgment based upon it."
Eh, sort of. If you can say that mind makes an error in believing a hallucination, why can't you say the perceptual faculty makes an error in having it?

>>10474262
>>10474298
>>10474364
>A list of basic bitch truisms
So this is the power of British socialists.

>>10474342
I've come here for years and will continue to come here for years
because unlike you cretins I actually like being argued with instead of being pat on the back by people who agree with me.

You tell people to go back to their safe spaces, but this is ultimately your safe space, isn't it? No two of your posts can be identified. You can't be held accountable for anything you say here. If you ever contradict yourself no one will notice. And you come here to yearn for a Day of the Rope that will never come.

Pathetic.

>>10474376
>I can only complain about others assertions, but have nothing to assert of my own

So this is the power of 4chan reactionaries who sit around jacking off to lolis and yearning for blacks and jews to die

>>10474383
>because unlike you cretins I actually like being argued with instead of being pat on the back by people who agree with me.

It doesn't show

>>10474364
>"Advocates of capitalism are very apt to appeal to the sacred principles of liberty, which are embodied in one maxim: The fortunate must not be restrained in the exercise of tyranny over the unfortunate."
Wtf, I hate libertarianism now!

>>10474356
My favorite brainlet moment of all time is when he wrote a history of philosophy that basically passed over Hegel as a mere blip on a radar.

>>10474389
hes the one making arguments. We dont have to make arguments to destroy one that doesn't even exist yet.

>>10474390
stop posting pretty girls they make me sad!!

>>10474364
>"Jealousy and possessiveness kill love."

Absolutely baffling

>>10474389
You still haven't responded to other post or provided any defense for >>10474356

>>10474400
Then entire history of philosophy is a joke.
I know it gets a bit specialized, but you can check his objections to Leibniz legal philosophy. Surely a read for the ages too.

>>10474262
Part 4

"The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt." (You guys really need this one)

"Men who are unhappy, like men who sleep badly, are always proud of the fact." (You guys really need this one too)

"While it is true that science cannot decide questions of value, that is because they cannot be intellectually decided at all, and lie outside the realm of truth and falsehood. Whatever knowledge is attainable, must be attained by scientific methods; and what science cannot discover, mankind cannot know."

"If I were granted omnipotence, and millions of years to experiment in, I should not think Man much to boast of as the final result of all my efforts."

"It is only when we think abstractly that we have such a high opinion of man. Of men in the concrete, most of us think the vast majority very bad. Civilized states spend more than half their revenue on killing each other's citizens. Consider the long history of the activities inspired by moral fervour: human sacrifices, persecutions of heretics, witch-hunts, pogroms leading up to wholesale extermination by poison gases … Are these abominations, and the ethical doctrines by which they are prompted, really evidence of an intelligent Creator? And can we really wish that the men who practised them should live for ever? The world in which we live can be understood as a result of muddle and accident; but if it is the outcome of a deliberate purpose, the purpose must have been that of a fiend. For my part, I find accident a less painful and more plausible hypothesis."

"To be without some of the things you want is an indispensable part of happiness."

"I regard [religion] as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race."

" It is possible that mankind is on the threshold of a golden age; but, if so, it will be necessary first to slay the dragon that guards the door, and this dragon is religion."

"I found one day in school a boy of medium size ill-treating a smaller boy. I expostulated, but he replied: "The bigs hit me, so I hit the babies; that's fair." In these words he epitomized the history of the human race."

"Work is of two kinds: first, altering the position of matter at or near the earth's surface relatively to other such matter; second, telling other people to do so. The first kind is unpleasant and ill paid; the second is pleasant and highly paid."

"The idea that the poor should have leisure has always been shocking to the rich."

"Every man would like to be God, if it were possible; some few find it difficult to admit the impossibility."

"The fundamental concept in social science is Power, in the same sense in which Energy is the fundamental concept in physics."

"The "social contract," in the only sense in which it is not completely mythical, is a contract among conquerors, which loses its raison d'être if they are deprived of the benefits of conquest."

>>10474419
>You guys really need this one

You sure about that?

>Why come here and expect good things?
>This is MY website it's the best stop it go back to plebbit plz

Pick one you dumb faggot. Accepting that something is always going to suck without trying to improve it is learned hopelessness cuck mentality

>>10474414
I'd like to look at it, can't find it after a quick google search

>>10474262
Part 5

"Too little liberty brings stagnation, and too much brings chaos."

"The pursuit of philosophy is founded on the belief that knowledge is good, even if what is known is painful."

"Not to be absolutely certain is, I think, one of the essential things in rationality."

"Humankind has become so much one family that we cannot ensure our own prosperity except by ensuring that of everyone else. If you wish to be happy yourself, you must resign yourself to seeing others also happy." (WHATTA FUCKIN KEK)

" Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric." (KEK A DOODLE FUCKING DOO)

"If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time."

"Obscenity is whatever happens to shock some elderly and ignorant magistrate."

"The secret of happiness is to face the fact that the world is horrible, horrible, horrible."

" And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that he would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt his existence." (Read this one twenty times, religious folks)

>>10474431
Its a space with its own social rules and atmosphere, you don't go to a bar and start asking people to provide axiomatic justification for their thoughts.

>>10474370
THAT'S IT BERT, YOU DON'T GET TO PLAY WITH THE PHENOMENA ANY LONGER, I'M TAKING THEM AWAY

>>10474262
>>10474298
>>10474364
Thanks for posting this, anon.

>>10474313
Oh no.

A cuckold. How offensive. How shocking. How horrible. I'll be sure to become a Christian, desire a white ethnostate, and hate blacks and Jews now for destroying my family unit I never had in the first place. You guys are pathetic and need my help. :-)

JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US

>>10474444
Glad you're seeing the light white brother

>>10474376
Clearly a lot of people disagree with them, so they can't be that obvious.

>>10474448
He didn't call them obvious he called them trite

>>10474390
>I'm going to assert something with no evidence and prettygirl.jpg

Color me surprised

>>10474444
>JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US
Numbers don't lie.
Too bad you wasted your irony to meme against yourself.

>>10474410
Refute it

>"c-c-c-cukkkdkkkdf
>blonald blumpf
>back to rebblit"

>>10474453
look up the definition of truism

>>10474454
>evidence

Whats this a fucking court, call the cops lol

>>10474328
And let me guess. You would abandon the kids to the wolves because they aren't yours. What a great traditionalist father type you are.

>It's another thread where loser uni kids that will never accomplish anything shit on a great scholar

>>10474460
Something can be described as a truism if its presented as such even if its not actually a truism. You silly nigger

>>10474374
>he wrote so much and all anyone
>all anyone
>anyone

be honest and say "all I got out of it."
Don't presume to speak for others you dishonest piece of shit.

>>10474463
>You would abandon the kids to the wolves because they aren't yours

Yeah, obviously. What are you nuts

>>10474370
I love this picture, thanks anon

>>10474468
Why would you ever read him if he admitted himself that Wittgenstein destroyed everything he ever wrote.
After that he's just Chomsky's low IQ cousin

>>10474434
Hell, you can look up his entire exposition of Leibniz here/
>https://archive.org/details/cu31924052172271
Trigger warning though.
I'm tempted to say that Gödel actually knowing and liking Leibniz so much was the reason he hated Russel in the first place, before btfo him in various ways.

>>10474464
Jokes on you, I'm actually NEET, HA!

>>10474472
No
I was raised by people who didn't have to raise me, and I honor them.

What do you think happened in your perfect celtic white cismale patriarch societies when half the men died of disease or died in a war?

PEOPLE WERE RAISED BY OTHERS.

You don't believe in charitable behavior that keeps society together because you're insecure about being pereeived as a "cuck" by your fellow religious white supremacist backpatters.

the absolute state of 4klan

>>10474464
Seriously, shitting on 1 line quotes that miss the context behind them is grade school level criticism

>>10474400
Durant did the same. It was probably fashionable in the Anglo world to ignore Hegel at the time.

>>10474493
>I was raised by people who didn't have to raise me, and I honor them.

Were you raised by two Dads Anon?
You can tell us, this is a safe space

>>10474491
thanks anon. I think Godel proving what a pseud Russell was probably did more for the human species than any of Godel's theorems did

>>10474468
Even if you deny my understanding of the cult you've joined, they all say the same thing, what I posted.

>>10474480
>Why would you ever read him if he admitted himself that wittgenstein destroyed everything he ever wrote

1) He didn't admit wittgeinstein destroyed "everything" he ever wrote you hyperbole-abusing piece of dishonest shit
2) I would read him, among other things, to put Wittgeinstein in context. If Wittgeinstein built upon or refuted russel, then wouldn't it be useful to read russel to put Wiggy in context?


At any rate. It's clear where your bias stands that you find my post worth attacking but not OP's transparent "he was wrong about everything ever" propaganda

>>10474507
>then wouldn't it be useful to read russel to put Wiggy in context?

Russel would disagree funnily enough

>>10474501
No actually
I was raised by two moms
Good guess though

I guess I should've been more of a traditionalist like you and picked hetero

>>10474458
I would say a lack of jealousy and possessiveness kills love.

Refute it

>>10474511
Well he can't be right about anything

But he probably wasn't wrong about EVERYTHING as OP and his goblins assert

>>10474514
Damn genuinely sorry to hear that man.
Its never easy not having a male role model to understand self respect and where you come from.

>>10474505
I've joined a cult.

The cult of what? Holding people to reasonable standards of argumentation.

>>10474403
>don't be sad anon. I will always love you.
>signed, your waifu

>>10474519
When he stayed in his cuck corner working with abstract linguistics and maths he was OK, not great but ok. Its when he ventured outside of there to talk about wider philosophy or politics that he was a pea brained lunatic

>>10474520
I was raised by two women

So you assume I never had any male role models? Like what? I never went to school? Never played sports? Never had uncles and shit? Are you fucking stupid?

Why is the solution to everything I say to ASSUME more things about me than you can know? Could it possibly be you aren't interested in holding yourself to any reasonable standard of argumentation? Whoops, there I go assuming things about you. Well, at least I'm willing to admit when I make a mistake.

>>10474155
Can we have a Brainlet Russel thready every day OP? I've thoroughly enjoyed watching butthurt atheists get upset Mr. Teapot is a legitimate pseud. I wish they would choose a decent atheist as their hero. Hume, for example.

>>10474521
doing his retarded rituals as proof of rationality

>>10474529
>the entire universe was made so that God become his own son and sacrifice himself at the height of the roman empire
REASONABLE!
>People should doubt themselves and not claim to know things until they experiment with matter and energy
PEA BRAINED LUNATIC

>>10474531
A consistent voice matters Anon. Having an ambigious mish mash of twenty seven different voices telling you different things is no replacement for the intimate and consistent guidance of a father

>>10474536
What were his retarded rituals exactly?

>>10474532
>Hume
>atheist
Bertrand, please.

>>10474538
Woah, Bertrand Russel invented science?

>>10474543
questioning religion to make scientific advancements

>>10474519
>OP and his goblins
Heh

>>10474548
I'm sorry, what scientific advancement is Russel responsible for?

>>10474557
He said Nietzsche was dumb

>>10474557
He had some interesting things to say about mathematics.
Oh, wait.

>>10474531
>I got indoctrinated by a pair of fat dykes since I was a baby but no, nothing to be wary of there because I played little league

>>10474541
> Having an ambigious mish mash of twenty seven different voices telling you different things is no replacement for the intimate and consistent guidance of a father
It takes a village to raise a kid.
But look. You're just attacking my character to avoid listening to and refuting the actual things I say.

A quick recap of our conversation so far:

You: RUSSEL WAS A KEK (and therefore wrong, I guess)
Me: Look, another 4channer is screeching cuck
You: He literally was a cuck. He raised other people's kids. Men shouldn't do that.
Me: So what if he did? Why is that wrong? Would you abandon these children?
You: Of course I would! Are you nuts?
Me: No. I just know what voluntary kindness is because I've benefited from it.
You: You must have gay dads (Again, this is something you assume to be wrong, but you won't say why)
Me: Nope. Gay moms.
You: What a loser. You didn't have a dad or male role models (assumption). I feel sorry for you. (And here you were asserting men should avoid raising children who aren't theirs... what if they're sterile?)
Me: I did have role models
You: W-w-w-well they should've been consistent!

Me: We take what we can get.

You have nothing of substance to say.

>>10474570
>It takes a village to raise a kid.

Objectively it does not

>>10474568
That pic always gets me

>>10474570
People have mentioned quite a few things besides Russel being a cuck. But it seems that this factual statement about him bothered you more than it should have. Even defending it.
>It takes a village to raise a kid.
Son of a cuck.

>>10474568
Everything I say is wrong because I was raised by lesbians. It has nothing to do with you being a bigoted bitter loser who thinks every should have been raised exactly like you. It's my problem.

You hold things against people that are beyond their control (like their parents), and you're proud of things beyond your control (like your parents).

How about instead of that, you hold things against people that they CAN control (bigotry, for instance, or dishonesty) and you hold things against yourself that you can control (not having anything of substance to say, for instance).

I didn't have to share these aspects of my life with you , but now that i have it's a pears before swine type situation. But it's not my fault for sharing the pearls. It's your fault for what you've done with them.

Instead of going "oh, he was raised by women, better analyse and refute what he said anyway and treat him as a peer" you go "Oh he was raised by FUCKING FAT DYKES BETTER IGNORE EVERYTHING HE SAYS AND ASSUME HE'S A DEGENERATE"

This is why you'll always be stuck here.

>>10474570
So did your Dad let you get raised by dykes or is it a pump and dumped roastie/adoption deal?

>>10474590
I don't think you'll always be wrong because you're the plaything of obese weak willed carpet munchers just as long as you accept their dogma that life is just a nihilist malaise to float through
I mean without killing yourself that is

>>10474155
His "Problems of philosophy" is a good introductory book though.

>>10474585
WHAT BOTHERS ME ISN'T THAT HE IS A KEK
WHAT BOTHERS ME IS THAT YOU BRING IT UP OVER AND OVER LIKE IT'S A NEGATIVE INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY REFUTING ANYTHING HE SAYS
WHAT BOTHERS ME IS HOW BLIND YOU ARE TO YOUR OWN INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY
WHAT BOTHERS ME IS THAT YOU THINK "HE WAS A KEK" IS A REFUTATION RATHER THAN A STATEMENT OF FACT

I DON'T CARE THAT HE WAS A KEK

I CARE THAT YOU USE IT AS A LAZY FUCKING EXCUSE TO IGNORE REASONABLE STATEMENTS, AND THE WEIGHT THEY CARRY, BECAUSE YOU'RE AN INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST REACTIONARY RIGHT WRING CRETIN

>>10474605
>I DON'T CARE THAT HE WAS A KEK

You should unless you want to end up a cuck yourself, which seems extremely likely at this rate

lmaoing at this thread
I didn't think it would be such a shitfest when I made it
Thanks, /lit/, happy new year.

>>10474600
The dykes who raised me are better parents than you will ever be, hateful Cretin.

Have you noticed I claim to know nothing like you? Imagine if I started using intellectually dishonest arguments like "Oh, his daddy must have beat him and dragged him to suck the priest's cock every sunday."

That wouldn't refute anything you say, would it? It would just be hateful and dishonest wouldn't it? Why won't you apply these same standards to yourself? It is because you have nothing to say and only want more excuses to hate people for the sole crime of being raised in different circumstances than you?

>>10474611
Doing God's work Anon, happy new year

>>10474593
This. Even if it's a larp, dyke's son is better writting some greentext than patronizing while defending the biggest pseud of the last century.

>>10474605
Being such a good cuck is at least a start of refutation of some parts of his moral philosophy. And as I said plenty of other things have been mentioned.
>I DON'T CARE THAT HE WAS A KEK
You obviously do.
>BECAUSE YOU'RE AN INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST REACTIONARY RIGHT WRING CRETIN
Pic related.

>>10474609
Oh no! I might one day fall into the horrible trap of mutually agreeing to have sex with people outside of my relationship?

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE TO SAY?

>>10474605
hahahahahahaa

>>10474616
I should give credit to the guy who actually came up with "brainlet" instead of Bertrand in that other thread

>>10474613
Why are you so fucking gay dude? Like literally what did your single mother do to you

>>10474622
The guy who pointed out Bertrand should be brainlet in that one picture? Me anon, I did it and I'm glad

>>10474613
You don't assume anything because you know I come from a loving traditional family. I have good knowledge of four generations of men behind me who faught in good wars, built businesses and raised large families with few serious problems like suicides or destitution.
What can you say for the track record of the values you were raised on?

>>10474618
>You obviously do.

I'm not the one who brought it up. I'm the one saying over and over again that it is an irrelevant matter while others continue to use it as the center of their argument.

You think Russel was wrong BECAUSE he was a cuck
cuck ergo wrong
I think Russel being right or wrong is independent of his cuckoldry

But please, continue to insist that it matters to me, and not the people who brought it up first in the context of
c-c-c-cuck = autowrong

>>10474605
>I DON'T CARE THAT HE WAS A KEK
Why is this so funny

>>10474620
hyukhyukhyuk
but do you have anything to actually say
or just more of that smug "look he got mad hyukhuykhuyk"

>>10474626
God bless your entire year 2018.

>>10474626
Yeah I wasnt expecting it at all, actually laughed out loud
Happy new year

>>10474625
I've been in a relationship with a woman all my adult life, one that does not involve any cuckoldry

Why do you continue to assume things about me instead of say anything of substance?

Could it possibly be that my personal life is more important to you than actually staying on topic?

Why is russel wrong?
Hint: "he was a cuck" is not an answer

>>10474632
It's not me being smug I am legitimately dying looking at that and the responses to it

>>10474627
>I'm good because of things other people did
>you suck because of things other people did

This is why you're a piece of shit.
Say something of substance.

>>10474639
Holy shit the madman keeps replying

>>10474631
because your brain can't handle processing the logic behind it so you giggle at it with your mates

>>10474643
History repeats itself Anon, you should read some Arthur Miller or Eugene O'Neal

>>10474640
This is the reactionary backpatting I was talking about
4chan is truly your safe space

You take refuge in laughing at me because you cannot refute anything I say without attacking my character and the arbitrary lifestyle choices of people who I am not

>>10474646
>Holy shit the madman keeps replying
he replied!
Again, you're not holding me to the same standards you hold yourself.
Why? Because you're an intellectually dishonest cretin who comes to 4chan to engage in backpatting with other reactionaries.

>>10474639
>one that does not involve any cuckoldry

Not that you know of

>>10474651
You need me to be unsuccessful because your entire argument hinges on hating people.
Russel was wrong because he was a cuck, not logic

I'm wrong because I'm a mutt raised by dykes, not logic

I'm a loser because I wasn't raised a family that saw success, not because of my own actions

You're all about individuality, liberty, and agency, until it comes to shaming and oppressing people for the sole crime of not being you

WHY? Because you're an intellectually dishonest right wing cretin who is proud of his own ignorance

>>10474646
how does he do it?

>>10474660
>I'm a mutt

Shit you didn't even mention that. This is priceless a nigger raised by dykes

>>10474658
your responses are easy to make, funny, and amount to a zinger, but they lack any substance, and fail to refute anything I said. You aren't interested in honest communication. Just hatred, and crushing another person. Admit it.

>>10474655
I'm not the guy you are debating
I don't think you being raised by lesbians makes any less of a person
God bless u
Happy new year

>>10474667
Holy shit, you still don't have anything to say.
Just more class hatred. Color me surprised.

>>10474668
The weak must fear the strong

>>10474670
God bless you too man.

>>10474663
By caring, and having something to say, and realizing that I can plant seeds, however readily the soil my

>>10474652
Not that guy but I actually agree with you, that doesn't mean that post isn't funny

>>10474673
The meek will inherit the Earth

>>10474678
>but I actually agree with you
Cuck

>>10474678
Excellent

>>10474679
They will, but only through the guidance and grace of our Lord Jesus, not pithey socialist utopianism Russel espouses

>>10474682
You can come over and fuck my wife

As long as you convince me Russel was wrong first

>>10474689
>the entire universe was built so that God could incarnate himself as his own son during an arbitrary point in history and save all people throughout history by getting killed by Romans and Jews
IRREFUTABLE, THE REASON FOR OUR EXISTENCE, A GOOD REASON TO GO TO WAR
>Doubting yourself is good sometimes
PITHY SOCIALIST UTOPIANISM

>>10474704
Crazy I know, but thats the world we live in and the only alternative is back to Hobbesian savagery and suicide

>>10474714
>people are incapable of deciding to be good, charitable, and kind without an arbitrary derivative of the abrahamic nexus of faiths

>>10474691
>As long as you convince me Russel was wrong first
Two words, Brainlet, Russell.
Not even that guy btw, happy new year, goy.

>>10474720
Historically there is absolutely no good reason to assume otherwise. I mean why the fuck would you care about that spooky shit

>>10474726
>there is absolutely no good reason to assume otherwise.
Glad you finally admit you're just assuming things.

Let me tell you why religions are just arbitrary grab-bags of ideological assertions.

I can realize that killing is counter productive and bad for society without being introduced to religion.
I can decide that marriage is beneficial and holds my family together without being introduced to religion.

Religion codifies these things and attaches spooky supernatural threats to them so that normies like you will behave yourself. Because it's obvious you would go around raping women and children if you didn't have the church to tell you that was bad.

I, however, am smart enough to behave myself without having values passed on through ancient memes.

>>10474663
The power of analytic autism and lesbo parenting. He is literally unstopable.

>>10474723
Say something of substance or go home

>>10474739
Glad you've admitted I'm unstoppable.
Still waiting for you to say something of substance though.

Assuming my parenting does make me an autistic loser, do you think your God and ancestors are smiling down at you for bullying me, or did they raise you better?

>>10474737
>I can realize that killing is counter productive

It isn't though, in specific circumstances murder is TREMENDOUSLY productive for certain individuals. If you weren't a mind warped collectivist I wouldn't even need to point this out.

>>10474746
I'm not the guy who made fun of you for being raised by lesbos
Chillax
Thanks for giving life to my thread

>>10474751
I was giving a random example of an arbitrary value that a religion like Christianity might give a person, in order to demonstrate that it is possible to come to useful conclusions without the help of religion.

But leave it to you to think I was asserting that killing is always wrong, and to ignore the rest of my post.

>mind warped collectivist
You literally assume a thousand things about how the universe was created and why with zero proof, and yet I'm the mind warped one for doubting unfalsifiable assertions that obviously came from a source of cultural indoctrination

You're the real brainlet here, laddio

>>10474763
>>10474767
Kek
Post more please

>>10474600
>he assumes my lesbian parents were nihilist atheists

The solution to everything I share with you is to assume more things about me which I haven't shared.
Can a nigga get a logical refutation?

>>10474769
You're welcome

I'll never chillax tho

>>10474781
I'm out

>>10474593
So do you have anything of substance to say about why russel was wrong, or do you want to continue using my life circumstances as a reason to assume I'm wrong about russel?

>>10474777
>But leave it to you to think I was asserting that killing is always wrong

To use the term "wrong" is already assuming a moral content impossible without axiomatic justification.
This is part of the end game you're missing here, without religious bad men like me and my father and his father would be free to rape and skin ugly weak creatures like your mothers without giving a damn.
Although I would be more disposed to melancholic withdrawl

You should read the things I've read, what do you tell a Cowboy who strung an Indian womans vagina off his saddle with nothing but liberal platitudes?

>>10474792
>I'll never chillax tho
Further proof lesbo parenting damages innocent childs giving them perma-neurosis.

>>10474802
Glad you've confessed that your faith is just a leash to stop you from being the heartless animal you are deep inside.

>>10474805
Further proof that you'll never tell me why russel was wrong and continue to use the lifestyle choices of others as a "reason" to not listen to them.

Puritanical rightist.
Intellectually dishonest turd.
You're going extinct.

>>10474828
Its some gambit, but its the only one we got

>>10474287
i like godel posting

>>10474845
Nah.
I'm nice to people because this is the only life we have.
Not because I assume there is a God, along with several aspects of its personality.

>>10474861
Keep telling yourself that

>>10474861
That's something you just "assume"? Why would you assume something that huge?

>>10474876
Because when Liberals need to assume something its suddenly ok but when others take certain things on faith its equivalent to mental illness

>>10474867
But I don't assume there is a God.

I believe that there might be a God, or Gods, or whatever.
To assume anything without evidence is unreasonable, dogmatic, and forceful. Anyone who does such is obviously gaming for Power. And people only want power because they're shortsighted and don't actually know what they'll do once they have it.

>>10474881
Faith cannot serve as a justification for belief.

>>10474884
What you're saying is dogma

>>10474887
By that standard, pretty much anything that can be asserted is dogma.

>>10474884
>Faith cannot serve as a justification for belief.

t. believes in propositon on nothing but mere faith
We pragmatically assume things all the time, it is quite literally necessary for day to day life. I am taking faith in a path that promises salvation and peace between men, you take as faith a road that leads straight into nihilist malaise and ruin

>>10474889
>By that standard, pretty much anything that can be asserted is dogma.
Now you don't know what words mean. I suggest you read a dictionary when you write
>cannot

>>10474155
It really is incredible how this board manages to form the worst opinions on literally everything it discusses.

>>10474897
Yet you still come here

>>10474891
The things we "assume" in everyday life are at least based on inductive reasoning.

>>10474895
ok

>>10474444
Quads of supreme snark. Many posters on here can’t handle when their hate-space is invaded by outsiders.

>>10474898
It’s an addiction. The occasional decent shitposts and threads have kept me coming back to this website ever since it’s ultimate demise in early 2014.

>>10474906
>the demise of 4chan

kek

>>10474900
And I have inductive reason to assume a truth and significance to the words of Christ. What that truth is I do not have the necessary totalized knowledge of the world to know for sure but the passion it inspires in me makes me follow it. Just as it inspired all of Europe and most of the world to abandon their pagan past.
What do you have to direct your life? You spit and scream at others for what guides them but you're just a sad void and any priviledged comfort you have in your existence in this enlightened world is based on the backs of men like me who put aside their better rationality to stamp and consume

>>10474914
If you weren’t new you’d know this place in the 2000’s and early 2010’s was entirely different

>>10474916
>And I have inductive reason to assume a truth and significance to the words of Christ

Well lay it on me

>What do you have to direct your life? You spit and scream at others for what guides them but you're just a sad void

It's pretty silly to assume that those who reject your faith are all sad nihilists. I am directed by the spirit of inquiry and the desire to better man's lot.

>any priviledged comfort you have in your existence in this enlightened world is based on the backs of men like me who put aside their better rationality to stamp and consume

Now that is the most bizarre thing anyone has ever said to me on this website.

>>10474927
It was, but to call it a demise is rather fogeyish

>>10474557
what a based priest

>>10474929
>Well lay it on me

Its not for me to lay, if it is the truth and your inquiry is honest then you will come to it in your own time. If not, so much for it all

>>10474155

>>10474939
Why can't you just lay it on me?

I was raised under the Catholic faith and yet I know of no way to justify Catholic dogma. And I know of no way to justify Christian beliefs generally.

>>10474957
Primarily because it is too intuitive in my own understanding. Constructing the very boundaries of what I believe to myself is difficult enough much less being able to convey it analytically to others. Being is an extremely strange phenomenon, one that perhaps as Kant said may be completely outside reason itself to grasp in strictly obvective terms. But yet is experienced none the less

>>10474967
If it is outside reason, then it will never enter my beliefs.

>>10475008
Objectively displayable reason is different than reason itself. Such that it is, you can not objectively prove you exist but yet by the fact of existence itself you know it to be true

>>10475029
Well, if you are saying that it is discovered only privately, I'd imagine that I will bump into it at some point if it's there.

>>10474882
I assume things because I want them to be true and because by assuming them I can improve myself. Why take the easy way out when you can hold yourself to a higher standard? Epicurus was moderate and decent because that was what brings pleasure without unwanted consequences. That's reasonable, but isn't it better to go beyond that and hold oneself to a standard that goes beyond all reason and a simple pursuit of pleasure?

200 post

>>10474155
I view this guys philosophy and general world view as absolutely poisonous. I'm glad he has a reputation as a progressive anglo, and so the political climate of the moment has painted him an enemy. Either way, I'll take it.

>>10474444
>>10474903

>another butthurt theists bashing Russel thread

But what would he think of the panel gaps on Tesla vehicles?

>>10474364
>"Physics is mathematical not because we know so much about the physical world, but because we know so little: it is only its mathematical properties that we can discover."
I don't know what he meant by this. Physics is mathematical because it, and formal logic (mathematics more or less being an extension of it), are the most concise and convenient ways of expressing the physical, and then manipulating that expression, for utility and generalisation. Everything else, except some system with logical basis (of some form, not necessarily preexisting), is inadequate.