/lit/ - Literature

>>10464260
Are you French? I guess it applies to most of the West.

>>10464260
Is talking about a literal Israel, or is he talking about a Homeland for himself?

I can't tell if this is pol race baiting, or actually something about lit.

>>10464340

the latter but why commentate bro baka

>>10464329
No, I'm English, but you're right, any native of Western Europe would understand immediately what he means.

>>10464340
Not sure what you're getting at here. He's not talking about a literal Isreal, no.

>>10464346
The phrase intrigued me and I wasn't sure if it was a joke or not. I'm actually interested in reading atomized (I think that's the name) after I get my other books done and this line has me more interested.

>>10464340
>he can't translate back into french
https://www.openlettersmonthly.com/il-ny-a-pas-disrael-pour-moi/

>>10464351
>coming back from America
>airports staffed by Blacks
>shops staffed by Muslims
>menial labor done by Browns
>mfw everything's going to be like America

>>10464356
This quote is from Submission, his latest, considering what I've read him say about Islam it was very generous. Atomized is also good. Recommend him generally.

After reading this book I'm eagerly looking forward to the final triumph of Islam over the west. Under the current system I'm destined to be a miserable genetic dead end. Under an Islamic regime I've got a chance to land myself a harem of poorly educated pubescent qt's! And here I thought Houellebecq was bigot.

(Law enforcement, please note the obvious sarcasm of the shitpost)

>>10464943
>(Law enforcement, please note the obvious sarcasm of the shitpost)
But law enforcement is on your side brother!

>>10464340
>muh boogieman

read a book

>>10464260
>for me, there's no israel

>>10465213
>for me, there's no israel

>>10465218
¡Ay Atollah!

So, is he shitting on right-wingers in particular, or really just anyone with strong political beliefs?
The impression I got from the book was that Houellebecq feels the two real poles on the political spectrum are passion and indifference (as opposed to say, conservatism and liberalism).

>>10465326
He goes on in one passage about the nationalist right reviving a corpse, I believe the passage is here >>10464361 somewhere in the article. So it is not just passion, since there is is a difference between the nationalism of Péguy and that of current right wingers, that I think have something to do with the nation for which one is nationalistic for. A living one or a dead one. I don't know.

>>10464361
Underrated. Thanks for sharing.

>>10465218
I'm impressed the creator of this fine pepe put that much detail into the Iranian flag, kudos

>>10465213
Are there really people out there who rejoice at having their only home taken away from them and being made a stateless nomad?

>>10464340
Haven't you read the book.

He is just not going with her to the actual Israel. The girl he was fucking is a jew.

>>10464260

Lost. What /ourgoblin/'s work is it?

>>10467468
Soumission

>>10465326
He's actually saying that the tradition values (family, religion etc.) of France (and Europe) are gone and the only that's left is decadence in the form of the protagonist, who is basicly one the Last Men (see Zarathustra).

So there are only two parties left who want to embrace traditional values: FN wants the original french values and the Muslims Fraternity the Islamic values.

He's saying that the current rightwingers are trying to revive a corpse just like >>10465361
said. But the only thing that comes next needs to be something new, so that France and Europe can evolve to the next stage of "civilisation".

WHats his relationship to the french right? I'd imagine he'd be the darling of intellectuals in the Nouvelle Droite and pessimist nationalists but I've not seen anything written about it

I'm starting to understand what he meant by "orphaned by love" and I don't like it

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>>10467455
>you haven't read every book?!?!

>>10467577
>>10465361
That's not what Houellebecq is saying at all.
At most that would be a forced interpretation of the main character, who doesn't even really believe that but merely surfs on what appears as the rising party.

>>10467601
He has few direct relations with the right or the left. The very idea of competition bothers him and his first three books largely revolve around this. He also doesn't like sand people and their religion. And is against representative government. That's about it.
In terms of French party politics, he believes in a strictly class distinction, with roughly four classes voting for the big four candidates of the 2017 election (who all got roughly 20%) in the order Mélanchon->Le Pen->Macron->Fillon.

>>10467793
But that is why I'm calling him one of the Last Men. The Last Men don't have ideals, visions or ambition. The only thing they seek is comfort and that is why they are responsible for "destroying" the civilization they are living in. The Protagonist is exactly like that. He doesn't really care that much and in the end he just goes with it and converts to Islam.

>>10467832
I agree, the other post seemed to imply this was Houllebecq's own view rather than the character.

>>10467601
He likes Rene Guenon. Benoist and assorted pagans in Submission got roasted because of infighting with TradCaths. Basically Guenon's vision won in the end.

>>10465326
>What I think, fundamentally, is that you can’t do anything about major societal changes. It may be regrettable that the family unit is disappearing. You could argue that it increases human suffering. But regrettable or not, there’s nothing we can do. That’s the difference between me and a reactionary. I don’t have any interest in turning back the clock because I don’t believe it can be done. You can only observe and describe. I’ve always liked Balzac’s very insulting statement that the only purpose of the novel is to show the disasters produced by the changing of values. He’s exaggerating in an amusing way. But that’s what I do: I show the disasters produced by the liberalization of values.

>>10467106
>Jews deserve a state because they're Jews

>>10469644
'To deserve' is meaningless, we took it; like king David, like Judah Maccabee did before, so did we.

>>10464260
based

>>10467832
>he gets to have a thicc milf wife who can cook good and a 15 year old wife to fuck while he's waiting for his food and he doesn't have to stop drinking even, meanwhile order is restored and society is improved.

what's not to love?