/lit/ - Literature

First for Shallan’s sweaty unwashed stinky safehand.

>>10396147
>/SFFg/
You're a sweetheart.

/sffg/, we are going to make a short fiction anthology.

>does this mean I should post my ideas
No. Talk about them on IRC, the channel is #sffg-antho on the Rizon server.
>but it's a really good idea
Let's not summon the haters.
>where should I submit them
Pastebin them and link them on IRC. They will then be shredded by other anons so you can get defensive and stutter about how it's actually good and they're bad people for not loving it, and then get over it and make your story good.
>what should I submit
Nobody cares as long as it's not boring and it is SFF.
>when should I submit it by
February 14th.

>>10396196
>Nobody cares as long as it's not boring and it is SFF.
I only read deep, boring dry fantasy.

webnovels are NOT novels and NOT /sffg/

>>10396196
What's the word limit?

>>10396225
You can't stop anyone, nerd

>>10396227
35-40k? A couple of novellas could be nice, but longer stories are more likely to be viewed as boring and rejected out of hand.

Oh, feel free to submit a bunch of different stories under a bunch of different pseudonyms, or just anonymously. This will be an all-anon project, nobody gets to boost their brand with it or make any money off it.

>>10396196
i tried looking for sffg-antho on some IRC website but i dont even know if it was the right website or whatever a rizon server is and i just got lost so i basically gave up.
choose a less difficult place to find for submissions or link to it or something.

tenth for webnovels are novels too

What I am for boys?
>>10396267
Do you...even know what IRC is?

>>10396267
1. Install Hexchat
2. Run Hexchat
3. When it starts up, it will present a list of networks. Find Rizon.
3a. If the network list does not show up, find it in the menu under HexChat->Network List.
4. Another window will ask you what channel you wish to join. #sffg-antho

>>10396281
Of course they don't, that's why they keep begging for ebook links.

I just finished the first Malazon book. I knew what I was getting into, but I think I'm getting tired of high fantasy of this level. Gods, ultra-magic and needing so many books to tell a story. It's just unnecessary. I have an informal book club with a friend though, and I promised we'd at least read two since people say it gets better. I do dislike active Gods, it somehow feels juvenile and lazy.

I'm currently reading Oathbringer. Hopefully it'll cheer me up! I enjoyed the first two a lot. Hope fucking Shallan won't turn into an annoying attention whore.

>>10396298
;)

>>10396298
She turns into three.

This book is fucking terrible. This is my second "cyberpunk" (which this barely qualifies as) book after Snowcrash. If this is really the best the sub-genre has to offer I fear for it.

>>10396267
Put it on the discord
https://discord.gg/KxPGpmU
but you'll never know about the higher-level IRC discussions and it has never been easier in the history of mankind to figure out what IRC is you human turd

>>10396324
>not reading the sprawl trilogy first
You fucked up

>>10396293
well good luck with that. and good luck getting submissions.
>>10396147
>books explored so far
r.a. salvatore is pretty good. hopefully the cleric quintet can live up to the hype.

>>10396346
Neuromancer was pretty bad man. So bad I had forgotten I had read it. Points for creativity though I guess. I just have to accept there is some fetishism in cyberpunk I don't understand and it's not about the story telling, literary value, immersion (contrary to what people claim), or even moral compass of the sub-genre.

I read The Cloud Of Hate (1963) a Fafhrd and Gray Mouser tale from Fritz Leiber. In an underground vault in Lankhmar, an evil cult summons a fog serpent which begins to creep through the evening streets.

The short story contrasts horrific and humorous scenes. We see the progress of the malevolent cloud as it possesses the various criminals and low-lives in its path; meanwhile, Fafhrd and Gray Mouser bicker and grumble about their lack of fortune in front of a brazier. We get a keen sense of the debauched Lankhmar nightlife, and the amiable friendship of its pair of protagonists. The climactic fight sequence is as good as ever from Leiber, with a memorable monster at its centre. This is one of the better F+GM tales and good entertainment. 4/5 dinosaurs.

>>10396196
>>10396267
>>10396360
Alright discord babbies

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CLICK HERE -> https://www.rizon.net/chat
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Type a random name into the "Nickname" field
VERY IMPORTANT vvvvvvvv
Type #sffg-antho into the "Channel" field
VERY IMPORTANT ^^^^^^^^
CLICK CONNECT!
YAY! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

>>10396491
>having to explain IRC to newfags
i pity you anon.
just let them figure it out.
its not like its actually hard or anything.

>>10396549
What if we don't hold their hands and we miss out on their valuable underaged submissions though?

what are some good short 250 pages or less books you guys would recommend?
seems like everything recommended here requires months to read through.

>>10396324
Well Netflix sure thinks it's good enough for a series, and we all know how high that threshold is.

But for reals, does it at least have good imagery or gimmicks? I really want a cyberpunk TV show, and a few good combat cyborgs with high impulse weapon systems and rain coats will carry me through any shit plot that it most definitely has. Just reading the dustcover was bad. 500 year old samurai warrior solves a murder of an immortal vampire king nonsense.

>>10396196
s-should I make another aspiring author meme?

>>10396571
Broken Sword
Face in the Frost
The King of Elfland's Daughter
Nightfall and Other Stories
The Door into Summer
A Night in the Lonesome Octobor

>>10396595
That would be useless, since
1. Participants would be actual authors, not merely aspiring
2. This is an /sffg/ project, not an attempt to bloat some anon's ego
3. You've already made several and they don't work, threats notwithstanding

How about you stop trying to be dictator of the general and just let people do things you don't like?

>>10396613
At least she cares.

>>10396225
That is what the OP's image says.
>no one cares

>>10396585
The prose is decent, and the only place in which I believe the book stands out. All I can say is this book in conjunction with a few others (liberally labeled "cyberpunk") has made me acknowledge the possibility that Sci Fi is not for me. I can't really answer your question on gimmicks because the book barely makes any use of the world around it the protagonist. It really depends on how gimmicky you want it to be and what gimmicks you want to see. It's by the numbers noir generica that could have taken place in almost any other setting. It feels like it was a free write and it was written beat by beat and the author didn't even look back. It requires a level of turning your brain off I'm just not used to. I don't hate Sci Fi btw. I really enjoyed Hyperion and a few others, but this book honestly has me a little afraid to pick up another sci fi book. It's holding me hostage and not in a god way.

>>10396293
>#sffg-antho
>not #sffg-anthro

>>10396293
I don't understand the insistence on irc in a post-discord reality

>>10396559
yes, no one has ever made good literature and been bad at irc at the same time, they are very closely connected

>>10396638
One is a standardized communications protocol that is implemented by a variety of open and proprietary clients for a fully customizable experience. The other is a nonstandard botnet protocol implemented by a single botnet provider for one awful botnet experience.

Can anyone rec me a book that has a similar narrative / tone / setting to Dark Souls? Thanks

>>10396638
Some people don't have enough RAM to run Discord, It's awfully unoptimized.

>>10396156
Well when I use my filters to autobump sffg to the top, I use the i flag on /sffg/ which is the case insensitive filter.
>>10396638
The #ebooks channel on IRCHighway is the single biggest source of easily pirated fiction ebooks in existence. Simply @search any author or book and paste a line from the .txt sent to you in order to download a book instantly.

>>10396629
Bummer. When I look for cyberpunk, I like a good new take on the possibility of technology. You can make all sorts of awful terrible things to inflict on people, like people being hardwired together as computers, limbs being replaced with concealed weapons, some sort of hyper toxic environment that forces robotification, under ground Android fight clubs, giant birthing tanks full of body parts. You know, cool bits.

When you put that kind of book on screen, a cool visual adaptation if one of those ideas can go really far. But it sounds like a detective kinda story with robots, not a crazy robot world with detectives. When you do a TV show you want to use the greater world as the starting point, instead of just following the books storyline. If that makes sense.

>>10396722
try upgrading past a single 4gb stick, grandpa

Since the people here (including myself) actually enjoy reading genre fiction, I want to ask what /sffg/ thinks of the following popular authors/books to see if it differs from the rest of /lit/:

>Harry Potter
>The Hunger Games
>Stephen King novels
>John Green novels
>Ready Player One
>The Martian

>>10396863
All terrible

>>10396863
>Harry Potter
First couple are okay children's books. Rest are trash.
>The Hunger Games
Never read.
>Stephen King novels
Never read.
>John Green novels
John who?
>Ready Player One
Wretched. Will probably make a fun movie.
>The Martian
Hated the writing style. Movie was fun.

>>10396863
Trash.

>>10396863
Pre-90s King is good.


The rest aren't outright bad, but there's so much better sff out there.

>>10396571
shadow over innsmouth is pretty great if you like lovecraft. theres also a game made from that book that is fantastic.

>>10396863
I don't know that we get too many normie/airport novel readers through here. I'd say we get more /v/ & /a/ crossposters who are looking for a novel-length expansion on a theme that they have enjoyed in gaming, anime or manga.

As for regulars, I don't think you'll see much praise for anything on that list.

>>10396863
>Harry Potter
Never finished the first book. Everything I read that wasn't in the movie seemed to deserve being cut. To be fair, the copy I had was borrowed from school.
>Hunger Games
Pretty clever stuff. Protagonist isn't exactly likable, and 2nd book can feel too similar to first at times. 3rd book is a bit of a mess. Eventually you start to notice that every chapter ends with "and that's when x happened." x being something totally crazy, like an explosion.

I haven't read the rest.

>>10396997
Also, love triangles can go to hell.

what animal would make the best literature if it achieved hyper intelligence comparable to humans?

>>10397020
One with hands.

>>10397055
assume they all have a writing tool perfect for their biology.

>>10397061
Probably an American.

>>10397078
no

>>10397020
what is stupid, stupid question
think of the variation of ideas and ideologies just humans have, surely any intelligent civilization will share that

though having said that, if ants or some hive minds evolved advanced intelligence, or even an r-strategy species did, that could produce some interesting philosphers

Or if a species without sight evolved, they're have no concept or stars and space until they invented radio or some shit

>>10396264
fucking NOBODY is going to read anything that long you optimistic fuck

>>10396281
The Cixin story in there, Taking Care of God, is really crap. Some of his other stories from his collection, The Wandering Earth, are fantastic though.

>>10397094
>what a stupid question
>consider how interesting and nuanced the question is, and how this specific answer is plausible and interesting, such a stupid question!

>>10397107
you've worded a decent question poorly, you just asking about what other animals worldviews would be if they evolved human-level intellect, yes? "The best literature" is bit limiting, what if their deepest art form is song or dance or something? Octopuses talk through their chromatopores ffs. The whole point of zoology scifi is to get creative.

>>10397118
no, I'm essentially asking which is the most creative animal. worldviews does not a good writer make

Oath bringer is the worst book yet, way of kings was a great book and I enjoyed the hell out of it. Oath bringer just cranked up all the annoying parts and anime bullshit up to 11. What the fuck Sanderson

I would like more please

>>10397187
Outer /lit/ has plenty, go ask there.

>>10397094
>though having said that, if ants or some hive minds evolved advanced intelligence . . . that could produce some interesting philosphers
I would think they'd suffer colony collapse nearly immediately once they realized the banality of their existence. How much latitude would they have for individuality (and therefore ego) while still remaining functional as a species?

This sounded interesting in my head until I remembered it was the plotline of Hugh the Borg in TNG.

>current read
Gardens of the Moon (Malazan Book of the Fallen 1)
>what's it about
I have no fuckin idea
>next read
Deadhouse Gates (MBotF 2)
>total books explored so far
A Game of Thrones (ASOIAF 1)
various textbooks

Reading both ASOIAF and MBotF first books. About halfway through Gardens of the Moon and its better in every way than A Game of Thrones. Will be finishing MBotF before continuing ASOIAF, assuming that the fat man finishes it.

>>10396863
>Harry Potter
Not bad as kids' books/YA, but certainly not something I'd ever want to reread.
>The Hunger Games
Similar to HP.
>Stephen King
Ranges from quite good to absolute trash, completely depends on the book
>John Green
Haven't read, but what I've heard isn't good.
>RPO
Literal garbage.
>The Martian
Haven't read, but the movie was pretty good.

>>10397294
>he reads edgy fantasy
Someday you'll grow out of it anon

>>10397555
aSoIaF isn't really edgy, my man. you should refer to something like R Scott Buttfuck for that.

>>10397555
>edgy fantasy
i disagree. if he had posted brent weeks then yes.

>>10397555
The opposite of edgy is dull.

>>10397745
Pithy, but I'd watch my back from now on anon.

Rec me a fantasy book and I'll review it.

>>10397829

The War of he Flowers by Tad Williams

>>10397835
>Theo Vilmos is a thirty-year-old lead singer in a marginally successful rock band. Hitting an all-time low, he seeks refuge in an isolated cabin in the woods and reads an odd memoir written by a dead relative who believed he had visited the magical world of Faerie. Before Theo can disregard the account as nonsense, he too is drawn into a place beyond his wildest dreams.
DUDE

>>10397835
OK, stick around /sffg/ and I'll post the review in a couple days when I'm done.

>>10396643
Being dumb does hurt the quality of one's work, yes.

>>10396863
Only commenting on ones I've read

>Harry Potter
Fun when I was a kid, most of them have aged poorly but still readable
>The Hunger Games
Cannot write endings of books to save her life
>Stephen King novels
See above, endings all suck in general.
>John Green novels
lmfao trash

>>10396147

>current read
Last one I finished was Annihilation, one before was Oathbringer (WoK<Oath<WoR)

>what's it about
Spooky lovecraftesque shit, new movie trailer looks like they butchered it

>next read
Probably more Brandon Sanderson. I think I finished all the Cosmere stuff, moving on to Steelheart since I hear that trilogy is real good.

>total books explored so far for 2017
Got into Sanderson over the summer, read the Dresden Files until they got shit (4th book? 5th? I lost track), a lot of stuff for my doctorate, all political science.

>Tfw reading dune for the first time

Holy shit im 2/3 of the way through now and I'm loving it. Are the sequels as good as the first? And if not which ones are worth reading?

Please no spoilers. I'm not done the first yet

>>10398197
Messiah is better imo, Children is the worst by far, God Emperor is good but you need to read children for it, Heretics is my favorite but you need God Emperor, Chapterhouse is underrated but properly rated at the same time. Everything Brian Herbert does is well written fanfic.

Any Tournament type books out there? Yes like Hunger Games but ideally more adult. They don't even need to be death games but I'd prefer those.

>>10398215
So I should just read them in order up to heretics? How bad is children? Is it a real painful chore to read or is it just not as good as the rest?

Thanks for the reply by the way

>>10398217
Red Rising.

>>10398226
To put it in perspective, I've read every book besides Children more than once (I just reread Heretics the other day). Children just has long slogs where little happens besides philosophy. If I go into it any more I'll get spoilery.

The issue is you absolutely need the info inside for God Emperor and later books. It's probably still a fine book, the rest are just so good it hurts that it isn't on their level.

>>10398197
I finished Book 2 just now and I'm having the same thoughts.

My plan is to read up to God Emperor and abandon ship there.

>>10398227
I listened to like an hour of the audiobook, obnoxious as fug, sorry

>>10397103
Leaving it open for the power of autism.

>>10398197
>>10398215
>>10398226

I didn't particularly like Messiah. Children and God Emperor started off slow but won me over in the end. I'll eventually finish the series but I'm in no hurry. I miss Stilgar and Thufir Hawat.

>>10394302
Answering a question from the previous thread-
Clean sci-fi: Your bright and clean unarmed world is overwhelmed by invaders and it's up to your wits to save the day first, yourself second, which you can do at the same time.
Dirty sci-fi: While the writer elaborates about WW1 Trench warfare, and everything you know about becomes nuke-craters, the sky fills with the shattered and burning incoming rescue fleet. But it doesn't matter, while you die of your self inflicted burns on top of a heap of stolen life-supporting goods before the chestburster gets you.

>>10398419
That's pretty idiosyncratic. Usually "clean" and "dirty" refer to sexual content, with words like "bright," "grim," "dark" pertaining to theme.

>>10398217
Player of Games

>>10398419
I've been reading sci-fi for decades and I've literally never heard these descriptions before and I strongly suspect you just made them up.

>>10398419
This >>10398513

That dudes a fucken sperg.

>>10396863
>Harry Potter
One of my favorite series. I still love it, though I realize nostalgia plays a big part in that.
>The Hunger Games
Never read it. Watched the first movie and wasn't impressed, didn't ever feel compelled to read the books.
>Stephen King novels
I've only read Misery and the first book of Dark Tower. Dark Tower was interesting, but not enough to make me read the rest of it. Not a big fan of horror.
>John Green novels
Never read a single one, doubt I ever will.
>Ready Player One
The excepts I've read were offensively bad, no reason I would ever read it in full.
>The Martian
Boring.

>>10396147
>current read
Nothing at the moment. I'm waiting for Oathbringer to come out on trade paperback so I can buy it. I want it to match my collection. I finished up the other books I'd been reading and currently have nothing on my plate. I've had the Kharkanas Trilogy on my backlog for a while but I'm enjoying my long break from Malazan titles and know if I get sucked back into that setting I'll be in it for months. Looking for some other epic fantasy to read right now.

>total books explored so far for 2017
explored? What does that mean? I've read about 14 or so books this year I think, but a few of those were re-reads.

>>10396147
>>current read
Baudolino.
>>what's it about
This Italian peasant boy with a gift for learning languages and conning people gets adopted by Barbarossa and goes on a crusade to find Prester John. I know it's REAL LITERATURE and not for the likes of genre plebs such as myself but I'm enjoying it so far, especially the first chapter written in a hodgepodge of languages when the main character is young and barely literate.
>>next read
No way to tell, I don't read deliberately so much anymore and I've always got nine or ten open. Probably finish my LotR reread or go back to those Howard boxing stories.
>>total books explored so far for 2017
I don't even know. 30? 40? I don't finish books very often, especially nonfiction.

>>10396863
this must be some kind of test to make fun of this general

>Harry Potter
children fairytale
>The Hunger Games
?????
>Stephen King novels
somewhat long and hard to enjoy
>John Green novels
?????
>Ready Player One
kind of fun in cringy way
>The Martian
movie was better

So hey /SFFg/ I have a huge favor to ask.
I'm holiday shopping for relatives and my mom is a huge reader.
Mainly sci-fi/fantasy and romance.

I've been looking online for something to get her but I don't want to get her a book(s) and I got her subscriptions to a few of the science fiction journals last year.
I was wondering if you guys knew where I could get some decent stuff based off of books, Like stranger in a strange land, Rendezvous with Rama, Contact, Hyperion etc....

I've been looking all around but unless I want to get my mom a star trek or star wars mug I might be shit out of luck.

I know there's the open source stores like Redbubble and Cafepress but I kinda want to get something more official.

Thanks for your help in advance.

WHEN WILL PEACE TALKS BE RELEASED.
I AM HUNGRY FOR MORE URBAN FANTASY.

>>10398648
Just read Tokyo Ravens.

>>10398587
wait so you want to get her something sci/fi book related? but not a book?
i dont know, most merchandise related to books is from the movies theyve made from books.

>>10398587
If she likes Contact you could get her another Sagan book.
He wrote a lot of really good non-fiction, cosmos, candle in the dark etc.
Although these are books and you specifically stated that you don't want to get her a book so disregard.
Contact was also made into a movie with jodie foster (sp?) the hottest lesbian ever.

>>10396147
>current read
Assassin's Apprentice.
>what's it about
An apprentice to an assassin.
>next read
I don't have anything else planned before christmas, and then whatever books I get for christmas.
>total books explored so far for 2017
41, about half of them SF&F.

>>10396298
>reading a 10 volume series for a book club
lmao

>>10398677
Yeah I was thinking of something with Grok on it.
or maybe something related to Dune.

Possibly soemthing retro-futurist. but al the online stores have lame shit in them.
Maybe a retro futurist rocket ship necklace or something.

>>10396863
>Harry Potter
Full of plot holes and inconsistencies but nails the magic feeling and the writing is at least decent. Good for normies and young fantasy writers.
>The Hunger Games
Have not read.
>Stephen King novels
Mostly trash.
>John Green novels
Have not read.
>Ready Player One
Trash.
>The Martian
Slightly better trash.

>>10397125
>which is the most creative anima
Prolly still the ocotopus thlse bois flexible

>>10398716
>be me
>halfway though Assassin's Apprentice
>realize that it's basically what Kingkiller Chronicle is trying to be

what book should I read today?

>>10398970
The Colour Out of Space

On a scale of 1-10 how pretentious is Little, Big?

>>10396147
What's going on in this pic? What does it mean to, "go anime"?

>>10397849
So it actually exists? I always thought isekai and litrpg were /sffg/ memes.

>>10398217
Red Rising.
You have to read a gud way in. The start is horrendous and reads like some hunger games divergent shit. Just read till he leaves the tunnels. You have to promise us that you will do so.

>>10398723
>>10398587
>something with Grok on it.
On a lvl from 1-11, how complex is your Oedipus?

>>10399157
when /a/ invades /lit/. They should be fucking banned. If I can't discuss naruto in /a/ without getting banned / deleted, then animefags shouldn't be able to post their shit in /lit/.

>>10399217
You've been able to discuss Naruto in /a/ for years, and anyway you've always been free to talk anime-related /lit/ there same as when you talk /lit/-related anime.

>>10399217

>>10399203
heinlein isn't the most famous sci fi writer

>>10399203
Considering all my past girlfirneds seem to share at least one quality from my mom.

I'd say Im full Freudian. Though I've been keeping it in check beucase my subconsious creates dreams which ensure a reaction formation.

>>10398721

>Not reading nor understanding the whole post

lmaoing @ your life, kid

>>10399007
11
What a weird book.

>>10398923
Hmm, really? I'm enjoying the king killer chronicle. Would you recommend them then?

Any recommendations on books that give you similar cozy feels as LOTR? I read the hobbit in jail and felt like I was eating stew by the hearth in the middle ages, it was awesome. Of course, any book in jail is awesome

>>10399157
Brandon Sanderson.

>>10399623
The King of Elfland's Daughter by Lord Dunsany

>>10399623
The Face in the Frost. I've heard good things about Lud-in-the-Mist, and >>10399630 is also excellent.

should I read the second apocalypse series?

The lore and world seem interesting but all the characters seem like gaping assholes from what I've read. Its hard to motivate myself to read something without compelling characters.

>>10397294
>its better in every way than A Game of Thrones.

Christ, do you actually believe this? I'm reading Garden's of the Moon at the moment and literally can't understand what people like about it. The prose is weak as fuck and the characters are completely one dimensional. The action sequences are quite good in it to be fair but and the plot isn't terrible but to say it's better in every way than ASOIAF is moronic.

>>10399670
Akka is a good boy who did literally nothing wrong.

It was the world that was wrong.

>>10396863
>Harry Potter
Not the worst thing ever and fairly ok kids lit.

>The Hunger Games
Decent story but not particularly well executed in the novels. Personally I think the movies are better

>Stephen King novels
Actually have never read any

>John Green novels
Never read any

>Ready Player One
Haven't read but it seems dumb

>The Martian
Novel sucks ass maybe the movie is good.

>>10399705
To be fair, you have to have a VERY high IQ to understand Gardens of the Moon.

>>10399670
>>10399710

Depends on you. Personally I don't worry too much if I'd want to befriend characters in stories. They're good books imo.

They're not all gaping assholes though. They're flawed people who you can sympathise with.

As an aside I just finished The Unholy Consult last week. Not sure how I feel about this book.

>>10399774
Reminder TGO and TUC are the same book. Fucking publisher jews.

Was worth it though to see Kellhus get btfo and then Akka becomes Seswatha

>>10399779

I'm sure the guy will pull a Kira in the next series.

>>10399803
He already pulled a Lot’s wife.

Hard to get better from that.

Also
>implying overlook will publish the next book after all the bitching they did about TGOTUC

almost in the end of winters' heart where mat is going away
will he find tylin again?
i really ship these two

>>10399705
That's actually a high-yield experimental writing style, you just need to treat it like literature and take notes because even though everything is thrown at you out of order it's completely intentional, as evidenced by the author writing everything else in a conventional style and never hinting at experimentation again.

>>10399873
SFF fans everybody
>author doesn't tell you everything straight off the bat like it's a roleplaying game book
>"this is a HIGHLY experimental and VERY LITERARY style of writing"

Too Like the Lightning by Ada Palmer is the best book I've read in years, possibly ever. It made me feel a lot of things that I didn't know books could still make me feel.

Aside from Peter Watts' work, this is the only true science fiction novel I've found that's been published in the new millennium. There's a great irony in that it's written by a historian.

>>10399275
Who is then? Asimov?

>>10399883
retards everybody
>person makes a sarcastic post
>"oh WOW, how could ANYONE be this stupid?"

>>10399987
Are you me? I've greatly enjoyed both Watt's and Palmer's work. I think they really do a fantastic of tackling the two sides of sci-fi, with Watt's more pessimistic, gritty hard explorations, contrasting with Palmer's beautifully written lighter tones and themes.

Press onto Seven Surrenders then grab The Will to Battle for Christmas, I don't think Ada will disappoint. Can't believe TLtL lost out on the Hugo to that stupid bird-witch story,
ffs

>>10400031
Asimov or Clarke. Maybe K Dick if you're going well known in just America.

>>10400041
>Clarke
>K Dick
No way.

>Asimov
What is he most known for outside of sci-fi circles? His Robot Laws and I, Robot. However I'd argue that Stranger in a Strange Land is more known that I, Robot, and a whole generation know of Heinlein as that free sex dude that wrote a book that hippies liked. He's also popularized TANSTAAFL, which is more or less mentioned in every basic economics class. Also grok.

But honestly, it's just what I think.

will ilose too much if i skip crossroads of twilight?

>>10400031
asimov, isaac, dick, arguably orwell

>>10400232
clarke is no fucking doubt more famous than heinlein you are severely overrestimating his cloud

>>10400232
>He's also popularized TANSTAAFL, which is more or less mentioned in every basic economics class.
citation needed

The sad truth is the most popular scifi author is probably whoever writes those garbage Star Wars novels, or the cunt who writes episodes of Doctor Who.

>>10400247
>Orwell
Yeah, that's a good point.

>>10400253
>you are severely overrestimating
That is certainly a possibility.

>>10400289
>citation
My ass and having friends who have studied economics and that know the phrase desu

Does anyone that's not a fanatic even read those Star Wars novels? And I thought Dr Who had a myriad of writers.

>>10399987
> Ada Palmer
> Peter Watts
Pfff

>>10399623
Redwall series

>>10400369
I haven't actually read any Greg, but I thought of trying Permutation City. As a fan of Peter Palmer would you recommend it?

One of Clarke's lesser known quotes.

>>10400369
Is permutation city good?
Thought about reading it but want to be sure.
>>10400422
>tripfag

>>10400419
> As a fan of Peter Palmer would you recommend it?
Yes.
>>10400427
> Is permutation city good?
Yes.

>>10400422

Anyone read this or any other Android netrunner books?

>>10400443
Alright I'm going to start it tonight if it's shit I'm blaming you.

>>10399987
I think aspiring writers are better off taking a history course, rather than literature. A writer gets a sense of human perspective and scope by a study of history, of different politics and cultures, and plenty of things to draw inspiration from. It lends itself very well to speculative writing - Roman and Byzantine history alone have fed into Foundation, Lest Darkness Fall, BOTNS. Gene Wolfe is on record saying that the Byzantines were the basis of Nessus, and he is a Grecophile anyway - ditto Robert Silverberg.

>>10400031
>>10400041
>>10400232
I have a hunch the most read SF writer, if not Heinlein (and discounting somebody like Suzanne Collins) could be somebody like HG Wells because he can be filed in the classics section, which brings him out of the SF ghetto and into the wider readership. I would hesitate to call Orwell a bonafide SF writer on the basis of one book.

>>10400569
Depending on where in the world you're from, I'd say Heinlein, Dick, Clarke, Bradbury and Asimov might all turn up. There's also Frank Herbert.

>>10400569
>I would hesitate to call Orwell a bonafide SF writer on the basis of one book.
That's a good point and the (arbitrary) contention was most-famous-scifi-writer, not most-famous-scifi-novel.

Now if the latter was the argument, I'd have to go with "1984" nowadays as everyone loves to reference it, with "Brave New World" being the runner-up. Two generations ago, "Dune" wins hands-down. Dunno what wins a generation ago.

>>10400587
It's interesting to think about. Somebody like Andy Weir is obviously selling tens of millions of books, but only since the last few years. Michael Crichton will still probably be more widely read than Andy Weir. And with Asimov, Clarke and co, they retain an iconic stature that Weir and other flashes in the pan don't have - even if little Johnny is far more likely to get The Martian in his christmas stocking, culture is far more permeated in the speculative fiction of Asimov (three laws of robotics etc.) And people will recognise something as PKD-esque without reading him when it comes to androids.

>>10400241
you'll lose out on a lot of mat and tuon development

>>10400615
1984 has always been pretty popular hasn't it? I can't see it being eclipsed by Dune, well, ever.

>>10400041
I remember when nobody but hardcore SF fans knew who Dick was. This was only, like, ten years ago. What changed?

>>10400721
Mandatory reading in college for me.

>>10400721
I think most people still don't know who Dick is. At most they've heard his name, actually connecting it to one of his books is another thing. That said, the works themselves are definitely well-known.

>>10400737
Sure, but nobody would have connected them to him. Everyone knows Blade Runner and Minority Report, but not who wrote the original works.

>>10400721
He's gotten really popular recently. UK Channel 4 just finished a whole series of adaptations of his shorter work. I don't know about him being unknown 10 years ago, Blade Runner, Total Recall then Minority Report and Scanner Darkly were varying successes but all fairly well known. He's had more movie tie-ins than other classic authors.

>>10400750
Hollywood for some reason really liked to mine his books for scripts, but the general public never really came to associate him with the movies until the most recent decade. His star has been rising somewhat thanks to the internet and people discovering just how wonderfully batshit insane his writing is.

>>10400696
so ive heard there are chapters where nothing happens
which chapters should i skip?

>>10400777
Anon, don't fall for the plot development jew. Even though nothing necessarily happens in a couple, or a lot, of chapters, they're still worth reading.

>>10400792
but the 4 page dress is a meme or its true?
i dont want to endure so many pages of useless information
also
does rand even appear in the book?

>>10400808
I don't remember
>but the 4 page dress is a meme or its true?
I'm sure.

Just read it, homie. Drugding through it will make book 11 that much sweeter, anyway.
At least don't skip the Mat chapters

>>10400771
>how wonderfully batshit insane his writing is
how batshit insane he is too

I've read a reasonable amount of his work, but just going off sheer nuttiness I think he might be my top classic author. I remember reading the Wikipedia page about his bizarre visions and shit behind the VALIS books and being completely confuzzled

>Friend,
>Your letter is most intriguing, even revelatory. I would have thought, before attaining my current station, that a deity could not be surprised. Obviously, that is not true. I can be surprised. I can perhaps even be naive, I think. I am the least equipped, of all, to aid you in this endeavor. I am finding that the powers I hold are in such conflict that the most simple of actions can be difficult. I am also made uncertain by your subterfuge. Why have you not made yourself known to me before this? How is it you can hide? Who are you truly, and how do you know so much about Adonalsium? If you would speak to me further, I request open honesty. Return to my lands, approach my servants, and I will see what I can do for your quest.

Is this from /ourguy/ Sazed?

>>10400716
Normies--and I mean mystery/etc genre readers--rocked "Dune" from the late Sixties through the Eighties. "1984" has that same popularity now, presumably because everyone sees Big Brother is real and enjoys pointing it out.

>>10400808
>>10400819
>does rand even appear in the book?
>I don't remember
Yes, this accords exactly with my recollections of Wheel of Time.

>>10400835
I thought this was shaping up as another great author response to a fan letter.

>>10400887
>I thought this was shaping up as another great author response to a fan letter.
We should write more fan letters to authors. Sort of like what /a/ does but our authors deserve it.

>>10399623
d-did you kill someone?
or did you assault some female because you thought if you dicked her hard enough she would mindbreak?

>>10400920
False dichotomy

>>10400887
I'm just making conversation here but why do you think Dune was so popular back in the 80s/90s? Other than maybe drug culture I can't think of anything as obvious as people's modern fear of technology and surveillance causing a resurgence of 1984.

Also
>Normies--mystery/etc genre reader
kek that's depressing true isn't it

>I got a LOT of help from people for writing Shallan's getting drunk scenes.
what did he mean by this?

>>10400034
She got a nice rack. Still won't read her books though.

>>10400931
Means he’s a Mormon autist who barely knows what men do when they drink, let alone women.

>>10400887
>another great author response to a fan letter
Someone post the Rothfuss/GRRM answer.

>>10399190
Damn it, fine I will. Yeah I listened to like an hour of it and dropped it like a month ago

I'll send someone £1 over paypal if they read this short story I just wrote and tell me what they think

>>10401036
I wanted to drop it too. The hand on chest / finger in air shit rubbed me RAW. I never wanted to drop a book so hard, but the anon who rec'd it to me made me promise that I have to get past the start.

I gritted my teeth, and got to the part where he died. Shit was a non drop book after that. I had to force myself to read another book between book 1 and 2, because I wanted to get all in one go.

It's also GRI and cannibal approved, if you into that.

What's the best Dune edition?

>>10401103
prolly that one, looks dank

What does yall look like?

>>10400930
It fit a weird niche between Michener-style crunchy historical fiction, Dick-style psychedelic New Wave, and classic pulp bildungsroman, so everyone that liked any of that recommended it to each other.
>tfw first-edition Dune was published by Chilton's

>>10401099
Join the anthology (>>10396196) m8, some idiot will read you diary sooner or later.

>>10401103
>tfw no hardcover omnibus of the 4 first books

>>10400737
>>10400721
blade runner is part of pop culture, his books keep being adapted into movies

>>10401103
This one looks great but
>£75.00

>>10401131
>2013 pages
WEW

>>10400930
I can only guess. Perhaps the desert imagery of other popular works in the decade ("Lawrence of Arabia") resounded with that generation, much like tiki/rattan/"South Pacific" did in the Fifties. The duration of the popularity seems to coincide with a generation; I myself remember watching the terrible TV movie as a kid.

>>10401103
First.

>>10401169
Folio Society tends to do nice stuff, if a bit on the gaudy side sometimes for fiction stuff. I got their 3 volume edition of The Campaigns of Napoleon from a used bookstore ages back. $100 but it was worth it.

>>10401194
Dune hit a lot of things popular in the 60s-80s zeitgeist. You've got mysticism, feminism, the middle east, drugs, declining empires, environmentalism, power, etc.

>>10401103
>yet another Neil Gaiman endorsement
>stamped into the hardback of one of the most famous scifi works of all time
pic related
>>10401136
>Michener-style crunchy historical fiction
>>10401230
>Dune hit a lot of things popular in the 60s-80s zeitgeist.
Yeah, I can't offer anything better. That Michener bit rings true to me but I'm uncertain why exactly.

>>10400930
>>Normies--mystery/etc genre reader
>kek that's depressing true isn't it
Bear in mind that those folks on average probably outread the majority of this board, including me. I've always been partial to scifi and to a lesser degree fantasy but I wouldn't fall into the trap of believing that makes me superior somehow. Earlier folks just preferred different subject matter.

>>10401439
>yet another Neil Gaiman endorsement
Honestly tho, say what you want about Gaiman's writing but his taste in literature is top notch. I mean, BotNS is his favorite book :^)

>>10401513
>Honestly tho, say what you want about Gaiman's writing but his taste in literature is top notch. I mean, BotNS is his favorite book :^)
kek.
I wonder if he isn't just embarrassed by it now.
>no need to wonder if anything embarrasses GRRM

>>10400721
Gf mostly reads classical literature on and had to listen to a talk by a weird american professor sperging about blade runner. Scify is making it through the academic world I guess.

About dune, man I was hearing about that book since I get into fantasy like 15 years a go. I read it a few month ago. I call a dune revival.

>novel
>edited by
>editor's name as prominent as an author
>none of the authors on the cover
>there are six of them
>"""""""""""""""""""""novel""""""""""""""""""""

>>10401535
Embarrassed of what, liking BotNS?

>>10401575
>reading wildcards
No need to kill yourself, that shit is bad enough.

>>10401575
You know, as much as I want to kneejerk despise this sort of marketing, I found Vance through GURM because he listed him as a primary influence. I reckon the point is that this author-linking gimmick works.

>>10401584
>Embarrassed of what, liking BotNS?
Assuming you're not taking the piss, I believe there was an edition of BotNS endorsed by Gaiman which is what I assumed anon was referring to.
>his endorsement is slapped on everything, including classics
>"he has good taste"
...and that was the joke, in a nutshell.

>>10401575
>that cover
Looks like a scene from Fevre Dream when the Vamp had to Pilot the boat in the day to escape.

>>10401131
If you haven't realized by now, no one really reads in this general, much less use goodreads to catalog their books. All the readers left years ago. What we have left are memers and people who reread the same book every year, and post their reviews in this general.

Finished winter's heart.
Near the end, rand is put in a box and min mentions that before he was rock, now he was iron, rand said it was still not enough
Will this have consequences or he will continue to being a pussy?

>>10401614
>I believe there was an edition of BotNS endorsed by Gaiman
Yeah. I happen to own that edition lmao. Why would he be embarrassed? Gaiman is regularly praising Wolfe as one of the best writers ever and the last favorite list of his with BotNS at the top is not even a year old.

Now, I mostly read good books but the worst book with Neil Gaiman's name on it, as author or as an endorsement, I've read is probably one of GRRM's anthologies and that's hardly Gaiman's fault.

>tfw Baudolino decides to make his father's bowl the Grasal
It was all sarcastic commentary on Italian violence and the nature of falsehood and created reality till now, why'd you have to do this to me?
I have it on good authority that this book becomes SFF at some point.

>>10401099
how much is that in americans

>>10401131
Here.

>>10401663
>no one really reads in this general
I wasn't going to post but fuck you. You seem to mistake this thread for outer /lit/.

>>10401696
I would personally be embarrassed to have my name printed on an edition of a classic when I didn't write it or contribute in any meaningful way other that than (((they))) said it would sell more copies. I'm not saying Gaiman has to be embarrassed, just that it would rub me wrong if I were presented the same hypothetical scenario.

>>10401672
You'll have to make it through multiple additional stages of increasing "hardness" after iron before it becomes relevant.

>>10401731
If you could somehow make thousands of people read a very good and underappreciated book, would you refrain from doing it because of embarrassment over some Powers-that-be™ meme from a Chinese erotica board? Because that's honestly quite a retarded standpoint.

>>10401743
wait
will rand get EVEN MORE fucked than he already is?

>>10401614
>>You know, as much as I want to kneejerk despise this sort of marketing, I found Vance through GURM because he listed him as a primary influence. I reckon the point is that this author-linking gimmick works.
It most certainly does. Author endorsements/plugs/recommendations are the main way I find new fantasy authors after personal recommendations from trusted people I know. The only other way I have of finding stuff is by randomly picking it off a shelf at a store, so an author recommendation or plug like this really counts for a lot in my books.

>>10401847
And then Sandersons ignorance will fully ruin the atmospheric buildup of at least 5 books. You have much to look forward to!

>>10396927
Who doesn't crossboard?

>>10401875
>crossboarding to /v/ or /a/

>>10401875
Very few people. /lit/ is a slow board, which is a symptom of having few dedicated posters. I lurk /lit/ pretty frequently out of my short list of boards I visit regularly, but I seldom post in /sffg/ unless I see discussion pertinent to something I know/care about.

>>10398665
My brother

>>10401884
I too do the same

>>10401873
i tought sanderson made a good job since he lessened the slog?
or did he just fucked up the characters?

what do we do with Moash? fucking race traitor

>>10401764
Having your name stamped on an edition is a different thing than...
>>10401864
recommending something through your blog or bio or what-have-you. If your argument against it is that I'm stupid, then I can simply shrug at this point.

>>10398190
>read the Dresden Files until they got shit (4th book? 5th?

Lol I heard that's when they start to get good. I only read the first one, thought it was crap

Annihilation is good tho

>>10399705
The prose is shit tier. Too much head hopping.

>>10399987

Sounds like a SJW cluster fuck. Is it?

>The book starts with in-universe authorizations, disclaimers and trigger warnings.The narrator wants to explore the current conversation about gender issues.

Slan was a nice read. In retrospect, the final twist was obvious.

whats a good software to read and organize ebooks? preferably something that supports multiple common file formants.
ive just been using sumatra pdf to read my ebooks but i find it a bit lacking in features.

>>10401131

>>10402013
>recommending something through your blog or bio or what-have-you
They do that too, but author blogs have a fraction of the visibility of a book cover. Plus many author blogs are covered in so much non-book related bullshit that it deters people from checking them after a while. I don't think I have to name any names for a good example.

>>10402217
Calibre

>>10402344
can it actually be used to reed ebooks though?
i was under the impression it only organized them.
im currently looking at icecream. ill have a look into calibre too.

>>10402142
Palmer is a lefty writing a story that is effectively "what if all our efforts towards social, gender, religious, etc, equality fail but we don't realize they've failed?"
https://www.goodreads.com/questions/745354-ummm-so-does-this-book-imply-approval-or

It's a good book, though the writing style is (intentionally) a bit different from the usual scifi/speculative fiction.

>>10402473
Don't need a story to see that, just look at suicide rates.

>>10402473
The way progressives view gender never ceases to stupefy me.

This doesn't seem entirely uninteresting though i guess, i like the religion angle.

Anyone else read this? Im just here to complain about it being a filler book

>>10402594
man i wonder how many books there will end up being

>>10401875
/tg/ here, I like reading and writing stores, /lit/ is in general garbage besides this general though.

>>10402114
It was 4, and jesus I could not give a rats ass about anyone. Like, it was about faeries, and I love dark fae lore, but it was just so meh.

>>10398513
Yes, as would you. What sort of official seal were you expecting? Clean meaning bright optimistic, white everything 60's/70s sci fi with space travel and hope. Dirty meaning post 90s grim oil-covered cyberpunk future with the occasional author breakdown.
>>10398433 is just as correct. Naked psychic cavewomen in an alien zoo didn't need or get the sort of long descriptions that say, 50 shades of grey seems to have gotten.

>>10396863
>Harry Potter
Not read them, preferred Tolkien and CS Lewis. Seen some of the movies and read a lot of the internet chatter.
>The Hunger Games
Seen the first few movies, haven't read the books (it's on my to do list!) which are sure to be better.
>Stephen King novels
Loved Carrie. Read some others.
>John Green novels
never heard of him before now
>Ready Player One
I think I have that in paperback. I thought that it was a Cory Doctorow book. It was a sale day at the bookstore.
>The Martian
Not on my to read list, seems pedestrian.
Even given the chance, I'd read the Safehold series by Weber instead.

>>10402419
AFAIK it's the best organizer.
>can it actually be used to reed ebooks though?
You really out to get an ereader for that... It does have a reader. Don't know all the formats it supports, but a quick test on mine got it reading EPUB, MOBI, and PDF. It converts all the important formats anyway.

>>10402419
What platform are you wanting to read on? Calibre is the best x86 (desktop) organization software that I've seen but it doesn't have a mobile reader. I have used Moon+ reader on Android in the past to good effect before buying a Kobo.

LitRPG recommendations?

>>10402656
Is it good?

>>10402744
Just felt like posting the cover.
I wrote a mini-review/summary of the series a while back if you care enough to search the archive (use the title).

Why are so many fantasy writers liberal? Is it because they live in a fantasy world and they can't tell whichever is real anymore?

>>10402631
>>10402620
i went with icecream for my windows desktop and calibre for my arch notebook. on my phone i havent found anything iliked yet but i have yet to find a good way to share my home server with my phone. im thinking ill try nextcloud or maybe set up an ipfs for that. manually transfering files is getting annoying and i have yet to find a good reader for my phone. since its an amoled display(galaxy s5) black pixels and grey levels barely take any power so im trying to find a good reader to take advantage of that.

>>10402779
I hope you're pleased with yourself.

>>10402632
vast majority seem really bad. from my personal experience you want pseudo-litrpgs.
things like the bathrobe knight, super sales on super heroes and dark profit saga.
try those and then look for similar stuff. pure litrpgs are usually infested with bad pop culture references and lelXDsorendumb nerd self insertions so you really want to avoid them.

>>10402793

Got you to respond xD

>>10402142
The book is forward thinking. It says, "if we continue down the path we're on, what's going to be different in 4 centuries?" One of those things is the annihilation of gender - sort of (spoilers). People present the way they want and there's no male or female attached to any clothing or actions. The narrator uses pronouns in ways that trick you and play on your preconceptions, and it was pretty neat to me.

Other than that, several styles of government are showcased - corporate dictatorship, absolute monarchy, elective monarchy, anarchy, and parliamentary democracy, among others, and all are treated fairly.

>>10402614
Clean and dirty already have accepted meanings when referring to fiction, nobody uses your definitions because you just made them up. They are basically nonsense.

What does /lit/ think about Ian McDonald, River of Gods?

>>10396147
Guys, how can I get into sci-fi if
>I love sci-fantasy like SW/40K
>I deeply dislike how shallow early sci-fi is
>I'm not a fan of cyberpunk or dystopias
Is there any room for me? I liked the Expanse before it went off the deep end, but it didn't feel much like sci-fi.
Also I've already read Dune and a lot of other popular stuff that gets mentioned here. pls no gene

>>10403158
Orson Scott Card does some pretty great stuff.

>>10403184
I've read Ender's Game but I didn't like it that much... Just kind of goes into middle school core with the Star Wars EU.

>>10403194
Ender's game is a series m8. A pretty good one too. You know where that meme a loli in a spaceship with infinite time comes from?

>>10403217
I know it is but I wasn't tempted to go on after that first book. I've been bummed out too many times by reading until something gets good. And nope I don't... And I actually remember reading all the spoilers for the series once and I can't remember a damn thing which is not a good sign. You can shill me on this journey, anon. Anything else?

>>10403226
Should you remember things from books you have read? I am remembering a bit from the series, its a very hard sci-fi. Reading spoilers happens over a short time so it doesn't crystalize in long term memory. 40k is probably your best bet for instant satisfaction, probably the horus heresy series because your constantly thrown into action, discussion, there isn't a dull moment in it. I had to stop in book two because of reasons.

>>10403184
>>10403158
Both of you need to fuck off.

>>10403245
>40k and horus heresy
And I've been through most of that already. I do love HH but I was hoping there'd be something out there a bit more exploratory in nature without relying on a gimmick. Kind of like the recent Alien movies but good,
>>10403248
What's your problem?

>>10403259
You two faggots and your fanfic garbage. Fuck off

>>10403268
>horus heresy
>fanfiction

>>10403271
>40k
>anything other than fanfic for prepubescent morons

You have to be 18

>>10403276
You keep saying that word but I don't think you know what it means. What is it a fanfic of? Or are you randomly using fanfic as a derogatory term because you're retarded?
>You have to be 18
Like you?

>>10403279
Perro caca

>>10403281
>You have to be 18
>Perro caca

>>10403284

>>10403289

>>10401952
Calling him as odiums champion

>>10403291
The fuck you post a picture of your mother for?

>>10403299
Truly next level bants.

>>10403311
Go back to /swco/. Literally nobody wants you here.

Just a reminder that English translation of Koji Suzuki's "S"/"Es" is coming out in 5 days.

Also, fuck it, here are my oh-so-important opinions on what I've read.

Ringu - pretty good conventional genre work (horror, based upon urban legend). Drags a bit towards the end, but sports a really good subversive ending. Didn't really need a sequel.

Rasen/Spiral - a sequel to the book that didn't really need a sequel. Pretty much a Borges-ization of Ringu, subverting every single thing that wasn't set in stone in the first book's text, and that reader took for granted. With the whole point being reader trying to guess what the whole point of the book even is. Not really a genre work, more of a desperate attempt to escape confines of the genre of the first book. Well, as the subsequent books of the author show, he has only escaped one genre in order to land right into another one. Rasen, though, is still pretty much unclassifiable, and I personally consider it Suzuki's best work. It really is an amazing book almost entirely throughout. The very ending though just isn't good. More like disappointingly stupid and clearly unintentionally ridiculous.

Loop - tries to be a horror (ends up a very boring one), but actually is a pretty conventional sci-fi book, built around a single twist. The twist is okay, the book, eh.

Promenade of the Gods - only read a half. ore down-to-Earth focus seemed interesting, but eh, by this time I've started to get tired of Suzuki.

Edge/Ejji. Pretty much a very developed Loop in the sense similar to how Rasen was a very developed Ringu. No direct ties though. Suzuki's attempt at Magnum Opus. Very formulaic, the whole book is built around its last chapter, where everything is more or less tied together. Well, the concept really is massive and amazing, but the pace of the entire book before the last chapter is pretty much a really boring crawl. Is also very speculative (sci-pop) in quite an annoying way. I mean, it's obvious that author thinks that he is saying something very profound about how reality is built or something, and muh research, and muh science, and muh bibliography at the end of the book, but, really, that's just... surface-level buzzwords, I guess. Anyway, even though the last chapter is really good, well, it's not really evident, what the central theme of the book is. Like, it looks, like a really big bunch of almost unrelated things is more or less superficially tied together. Like, the whole concept doesn't really look like a concept, and more like several concepts that are just cobbled together, and where it's not really possible to determine, just which one was supposed to be the more important one for author. Like, the whole thing just... rants. It doesn't have the sense of monolithic unity (at least, that of reader's experience) Rasen had. It feels constructed. That's my point.
-cont

>>10403315
I've been here for months. And there's plenty of people I don't want here either starting with your kind and especially Sandersonfags/Malazanfags.

>>10403324
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS? NIGGA YOU BETTER GIMME A SAUCE ON THIS SHIT OR AN EXPLANATION

>>10403327
It's pure love, anon.

Really old school stuff

High g world space marines
psychic lizards
undercover cop/suicide missions
the space axe
Other dimensional cold world aliens

Good guys and bad guys killing each other without mercy read this to see the father of space opera

>>10403318
Anyway, "S"/"Es" is a direct sequel to Rasen (which I consider to be factual, not intended, Suzuki's MO), which, from what I've heard, ignores meta-stuff from Loop. Also, there is this movie, Sadako3D, which has an almost universally abysmal reputation (I really liked it though, as a companion-piece to Rasen, in terms of how amazingly well it has managed to catch the atmosphere of Suzuki's books; it also has a very clear and concise point, which actually made a lot of sense to me; I didn't really like the sequel though). The relation of this movie to the book is unclear. At the very least, the book is told from the perspective of the boyfriend of the woman, from whose perspective the movie is told. As to how the book's and movie's scripts fit together, whether they fit together at all, I have no actual idea.
The only thing I expect from this book as of Rasen's sequel, is for it to be incredibly subversive, the more the better. Whether there will be any point to it, well, that'll remain to be seen.

>>10403330
Looks good.

>>10401921
He lessened the slog at the cost of fucking up the time lines and feeling. Major spoiler warning: Rands epiphany and full return to the light on top of Dragonmount happened way to early compared to the finals of some other plotlines that were supposed to contribute to the feeling of darkness and despair. But since Rand had already turned super messiah the struggles of others lost their weight, we basically knew that the next big turning point would be Rand at Shayol Ghul.

didn't expect this.
chuckled quite a bit.

>>10403412
>references to pop-culture in books
Always makes me miffed.

>>10403347
but it was already planned by jordan

>>10403158
>pls no gene
>smug_wolfe.jpg

>>10402594
Almost finished. Was a little surprised by the 30 year timeskip before the start of this book. It might be going a little stale after so many books, but I'm still reading it, as I'm still interested in wherever humanity ends up. And I like the TV series.

>>10403589
There's a good blog post somewhere about how Sanderson basically had a hard time grasping Jordans "complex" timeline during the quite tight release schedule he, Harriet and Tor had agreed on. Basically, the last books are very little Jordan.

>>10403606
did the epiphany come from jordan or was sanderson creation?

it could be worse. it could have been a reference to reddit or a specific lets player or even twitch streamers
from what i gather from normies is that they by and large still not even know 4chan besides the memes that sprang for it and at best know reddit or specific ecelebs.

>>10403627
meant to quote >>10403554

>>10403347
>>10401873
Sanderson was working from Jordan's notes you fucker. What ever happened was what Jordan wrote down, and what his wife okayed. His wife was his editor from day one, she would know more than you what Jordan was doing.

When Blood song and unhewn throne series ended as shit did you blame someone else or the author? Sanderdon was not the author. Jordan was. Sanderson just worked as an editor. What ever happened Jordan's wife made happen.

>>10403621
I'm not sure but from what I've read it came from RJ. It's only that it came to early, because of Sandersons increase in pace. As Jordan would have written the last books everything slowly going to hell would have continued for a longer while up until the turning point, Rands epiphany, where most characters would have resolved their problems and headed out to fight in the Last Battle.

>>10403633
I'm blaming Harriet, Brandon and Tor for setting a schedule they could not possibly keep. And I'm not blaming them for any major plot points, I'm sure they were faithful to RJs notes, but for the pacing and structuring of mainly the last books.

I also hate Sandersons prose but that's like just my opinion man so I don't complain about that.

>>10402790
>o find a good reader for my phone.
I use the Coolreader app for my ebooks on Android, but it's out of development. Perfect viewer for pdfs.

>>10403643
>last books
Last two books*, from what I remember my only problem with TGS was the difference between Jordan and Sandersons writing.

>>10402614
>Clean meaning bright optimistic, white everything 60's/70s sci fi with space travel and hope. Dirty meaning post 90s grim oil-covered cyberpunk future with the occasional author breakdown.
List all the numbers that correspond

>>10403146
Ask them >>>/lit/ . This is sffg.

>>10402614
>60's/70s sci fi with space travel and hope
>he doesn't even know what New Wave was

>>10403694
>>10403694
>>10403694
>>10403694
new thread full of new ideas

>>10403158
>>10403194
>>10403259
Treason by Scott Card
Undying Mercenaries by Bv Larson
Shadow of the scorpion by Neal Asher
Enjoy

>>10403318
>>10403333

>>10400964
Hello.

Your vehement admiration is by no doubt unique. I thoroughly enjoy you going through the effort of reaching out to me, albeit I am completely clueless as what you ever hoped to achieve with that.
Did you imagine me thanking you for your support? Did you imagine me giving you some half-assed words of encouragement?
I am in the process of writing the next book in the series, did you think you would encourage me in some way? The only thing you have accomplished is wasting my time by responding to you when I could be writing the book. Are you happy with that? Does your ego feel fulfilled now that an author has finally replied to you, no doubt you've reached out to many authors, we know your kind. You have delayed my book, but I have no doubt you feel very good with yourself indeed, because you have received a response.

With the upmost love and respect -

>>10403696
The thread is not finished you fucking newfag.

>>10403699
I'll try to look into them, anon, thanks.

>>10401131
>Average length 726p
Guess what I've been reading, girls.

>>10403718
what is this

>>10403757
A literary masterpiece.

>>10403773
I can see that. But what's the context?

>>10403777
Unknown. It's supposedly a fan response from [well known fantasy author].

>>10403777
Also, nice digits.

>Seekers can sense Surgebinders
>each Surge has a different pulse
Not surprising

>>10403704
Ringu+Rasen is pretty legitimately a really good read, though. Well, primarily because of Rasen.

>>10403660
4, 7, maybe 10.
Clean- The movie version of 2010. Dirty- Warhammer 40k.
Anyone ever read the Thieves' World series?
Or something more scifi- I finished reading The Silver Eggheads by Fritz Leiber. Thought it had some neat ideas.

>>10402594
>>10402600
>>10403599
anybody can hook me up with a download
amazon isn't selling in my country