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Will any writer from 21st century be canon?

>> No.10363480

>>10363473
Yes

>> No.10363485

me desu

>> No.10363489

>>10363473
Kafka doesn't belong anywhere near this chart, even in the cuck corner.

>> No.10363495

>>10363473
i love how this pic is just a semi random permutation of the authors a just-out-of-illiteracy anglo might know

>> No.10363498

the canon is an invention to sell older books
also

>penultimate means "second to last", which is where Cervantes actually belongs
>Homer, Virgil, and Ovid not wiser gods tier
>Flaubert and Proust on the same level as joyce
>moliere, Baudelaire on the same level as milton
>byron on the same level as Leopardi
>Hesse not shit tier
>brecht same level as Dickens
>hemingway same level as twain
all the low tiers are correct

>> No.10363503

>>10363473
my diary desu

>> No.10363504

>>10363498
homer is a fraud
hesse should be mid
hemingway>twain
king should be in shit tier

>> No.10363505

>>10363498
>Hesse
>Shit tier
confirmed for only having read Siddhartha, and the English translation of it at that

>> No.10363521

>>10363505
Hesse ist Scheiße
Das Glasperlenspiel ist in Ordnung

>> No.10363551

>>10363473
>Cervantes above all
>Chaucer below Dante
>Petrarch on the same level as Shakespeare
>Rand or King being on this list at all

>> No.10363564

>>10363473

Pretty good list senpai

>> No.10363567

Krasznahorkai, I hope.

>> No.10363690

>>10363567
+1

>> No.10363715

>>10363473
Houellebecq, Wallace

>>10363498
what a shitty conspiracy theory

>> No.10364221

>>10363473
Needs to add Faulkner to great or based tier

>> No.10364234

>>10363473
>blacklisted
>Kafka
thank you SO much

>> No.10364236

>>10363473
Honestly Petraca is a literally who I guarantee this was made by a romance speaker

>> No.10364245

>>10363473
This would be a really good chart if you didn't meme Cervantes at the top

>> No.10364265

orwell is the only brit to write anything of importance

>> No.10364300

Need to add Ibsen and Wagner

>> No.10364320

>>10363473
>blacklisted
>Pynchon

you're playing his game, feller

>> No.10364350

>>10363473
I like this image. I would, of course, rearrange many of the writers if I were making it, but it is bound to trigger basic *nglo plebs and that makes me happy.

>>10364236
Petrarca popularized the sonnet, defined love poetry as we know it and was imitated by the whole Europe for a few centuries.

>>10363498
I guess that's why modern academia rejects the concept of the canon.

>> No.10364362

>>10363473
The taste isn't bad, it's just absolutely soulless.
There's just something absolutely disgusting with saying Aeschylus and Sophocles are on the same level. It's understandable quality-wise, but what's there to be liked in one is miles away from the other.

>> No.10364411

>>10363473
Holy canoli this image is crap

>> No.10364474

>>10364411
Blessed ravioli what would you change?

>> No.10364540

>>10363473
>Cevantes above Dante and Shakespeare
come the fuck on

>> No.10364777

Rupi kaur probably
>inb4 she becomes the founder of a new, century-defining school of poetry that rejects all poetic criteria and is rooted in feminism

>> No.10365312

>>10364540
Cervantes is the greatest author of all time, Don Quixote is the masterpiece of mankind, Novelas Ejemplares too. Shakespeare is a joke compared to him and Dante's Vita nuova and De Vulgari Eloquentia are pretty shitty compared to the Divina Comedia

>> No.10365331

>>10363473

Cervantes is not better than Shakespeare you fucking dipshit

I have no clue why you'd blacklist Pinecone ... or Orwell ... or Kafka. And where is Dickinson?

Shit list

>> No.10365341

>>10364777
Not a chance, but there is going to have to be a bit of a shake up in the canon in the future to undo some of the jewing that has been done to it.

>> No.10365342

>>10365312
Yeah, well, Cervantes only has one great work, too. I'd pit the Commedia against the Quixote any day.

>> No.10365371

>>10363498
>Publishing industry: You know what would be a good idea, instead of selling these new authors we have exclusive printing rights on let's fool people into buying public domain books anyone can get for basically free

>> No.10365477

>>10363473
Where the hell is Gaddis? Did a fuckton of social commentary/writing innovations with his 4 books

>> No.10365507

>>10363473
I don't see how anyone could read The Toilers of the Sea and think that Hugo is Mid-tier writer. I'd put him at good just for that

>> No.10365527

>>10363473
No Kipling or London? Shit list.

>> No.10365546

>>10365312
>Shakespeare is a joke compared to him
Are you actually this dumb or just trying to trigger anglos?

>> No.10366551

>>10365331
>Kafka

>> No.10366556

>>10363473
Homer, Leopardi, Dante, Petrarch and Shakespeare, in this order, should be at the top of that list. Literally no one can compete with them.

>> No.10366574

Why is Kafka blacklisted?

>> No.10366621

>>10363473
One day everything will be canon

>> No.10366892

Verne should be subpar tier, I'd replace him with Wells in mid tier. Faulkner needs to be high tier. Otherwise not bad.

>> No.10366901

>>10365371
>tfw you tried to be sarcastic to btfo another poster but unwittingly explained Penguin's entire publishing strategy

>> No.10366905

We're only 18 years into it, how the fuck should we know

>> No.10366915

I can SMELL the butthurt anglos thinking Shakespeare is better than Cervantes (I'll admit Chaucer is on the same level as him, though)

>> No.10366922

>>10366915
I can smell the dirty moorish spaniards thinking Cervantes is better than even Mark Twain

>> No.10366934

>>10363473
Where is Eliot

>> No.10367069
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10367069

>>10366574
>Why is Kafka blacklisted?

Because blacklisting Kafka is very (you know exactly what's coming) ...

... wait for it...
Kafkaesque ;)

>> No.10367090

>>10366915
That doesn't even make sense. Chaucer is nowhere near Shakespeare. As great as The Canterbury Tales can be, it's studied mainly as a cultural artifact.

>> No.10367285

>>10365342
>the Quixote
Quick question: why have I heard it referred to as "the Quixote"?

>> No.10367290

>>10365371
I can't print the damn things myself.

>> No.10367608

>>10367285
in spanish we shorten the title to "el quijote". it's hard to explain, but "el" is different in use from "the". for example in english you say something is from china, where in spanish you would say something "es de la china"

>> No.10367825

>>10367069

what a legend.

>> No.10368188

>Tolkien on the same level as King
die.

>> No.10368197

>>10363473
If I read the works of all of the writers in based-tier and above will I be smart?

>> No.10368222

>>10363473
Do you know what penultimate means....?

>> No.10368244

>>10367290
Why would you need to? You clearly own or have access to a computer or smartphone.

>> No.10368253

>>10363473
If you don't know any 21st century writers who deserve to be canon maybe you should uuuuh read some books instead of posting controversial opinions on the internet

>> No.10368267

>>10363473
Unironically flip the whole list upside down.

>> No.10368305

>>10368197
Unironically yes

>> No.10368315

>>10368222
Nobody does and it's one of my triggers. Literally shaking right now.

>> No.10368323

>>10363473
Stop posting this and don't ever do it again, you dirty beaner.

>> No.10368330

>>10363473
>Borges
>not at least "demi-god" tier
Por la cresta, ¿Cómo se puede ser tan plebeyo?

>> No.10368347

>>10363473
>Melville
>A sailor turned populist adventure story writer
>High Tier
That is retarded. Granted I haven't read that one about the whale.

>> No.10368471

>>10363473
If this image is representative of the canon, no. The creator is already scared of the 20th century, exposure to the 21st might kill them.

>> No.10368475

>>10368330
At least Demi-god-tier is right. At least.

>> No.10368498

>>10368222
>>10368315
what's most shocking about this is that one of the most famous childrens series of the aughts (Series of Unfortunate Events) spent a whole book belaboring the definition of the word and using strawmen characters who had no idea what it meant lecturing to children about how they misunderstand the concept as a way to make the reader really retain the concept. since most everyone on /lit/ grew up during that time, we're possibly dealing with people who started reading books very recently (which would also explain their need for a tedious road map like the "canon" to catch up with their actually precocious classmates who have been reading since before they dropped out of high school)

>> No.10368511

>>10363495
>Anglo
Not even close. This has got Spaniard try hard written all over it, sprinkled with a huge over representation of the Italians.

>> No.10368622

>>10368222
Yes, I do.

Ultimate Ancient Creator can only be God.

>> No.10368639

>>10368622
Penultimate does not mean second best, it means second to last.

>> No.10368655

>>10368639
Yes it can mean that. Like how ultimate can be used to mean last but that is not the only way it can be used. Ultimate can mean the greatest as if there were a series that finishes at the greatest. In that sense the ultimate is the greatest and the penultimate is the second greatest.

>> No.10368668

>>10368655
why the fuck is your name showing up as 'anonimous'

>> No.10368688

>>10368639
shut up retard, >>10368655 is right

>> No.10368722

>>10364265

This is somehow true, lol.