/lit/ - Literature

what r fantasy books like dark souls? thx

>>10364518
Roadside Picnic
Hull zero Three
Metro 2033

>>10364574

and berzerk? what about the berzerk

>>10364518
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34122191-the-consequences-of-trolling-god

truly the dark souls of fantasy novels.

>>10364514
Who took the picture though?

What are some other books like Shadow of the Torturer? Specially the subtle world building and the total ignorance of what the main character about his world.

>>10364620
/ck/.
someone has to make the food somehow.

>>10364514

Are there any books about necromancers that aren't edgy garbage or do I have to write it myself?

>start reading The Black Company
>a bunch of people die right off the bat but nothing particularly cruel
>one character SAVES a little girl from getting raped

I thought this book was going to be super edgy and the characters were going to be unlikable assholes?

Somebody post that Goodreads Abercrombie parody.

>>10363908
They are. Our hero absolutely loves being a genetic elite doing genetic elite things, the entire second book is him doing bad guy things to ingratiate himself to the guy who executed his wife. Really fun action.

>>10364584
What fantasy books are like Saberhagen's Berserkers?

>>10364624
Final Fantasy X.

>>10364759
Croaker is an unreliable narrator who himself admits he glosses over any time people in the Black Company murder and rape innocents because he views everyone as his family and refuses to badmouth them

>>10359289
Add imajica and dhalgren to that list for full degeneracy.

>>10364759

Garret PI is better anyway

>>10364752
Sabriel

>>10364759
They're pretty explicitly raping people in the second book

tfw can't decide what to read next

Someone make sure to put Kaleidoscope Century on the GRI chart.

>>10364514
that image made me think i don't remember ever hearing a stand up comedian make a joke at the expense of furries. i guess the big names are all 50 and + and even if they are connected they don't think they can refer to this to normies

>>10365116
I keep a list of stuff to read, then use a random number generator to pick the next one. If I’m not feeling it right then, I’ll generate another number.

>>10364624
i tried to listen to the audiobook and zzzz damn i couldnt get into it. tried maybe 4 times. dk why, the prose is too flashy maybe, too dense to listen to if i don't catch something to "hook" me in from the get go.

For that one anon who keeps shilling the first book.

I hope you know this is out.

So then, what's the best furry SFF?

>>10365289
posted it in the last thread for those who are interested.
im personally gonna hold off till the audiobook is out though.

>>10365367
Norstrilia - Cordwainer Smith

>>10365367

Is The Last Unicorn good?
I remember watching a cartoon about it ages ago when I was a kid and I really liked it, but I never read the book.
Would it be too childish for an adult?

>>10365432
the animated movie is quite a bit different from the book.
the book is actually quite adult.
and it features unicorn romance.

>>10365289
>catgirl isn't on the cover
dropped

>>10365367
idk, how do you feel about sensual massage?

>>10365480
shes a wolfgirl, the girl on the first cover is andrea the second cover is kit the telepath

>>10365496
>no ears
>no tail
>wolfgirl

(posted in old thread)
Is Way of Kings any good or is just anime trash?
First Chapter is some dude using his SICK powers to flip around a room.

Should I keep going?
If not, should I go with Elric?

>>10365501
first cover is wolf girl
this cover >>10365289 is the telepath

>>10365437
Sounds interesting.
Thanks for the input m8, I'll check it out.
No, not because of the unicorn romance

Any good fantasy books with monster girls in them?

>>10365530
ohhhhhhhhh, that's why the tail is so bushy
well then
>kemonomimi isn't on the cover
dropped

>>10364514
I hope you're pleased with yourself.

Webnovels are novels too

>>10365490
Depends on if it's the future liberals want.

>>10365556
You lost me.

>>10365557
Somebody used the cover of Godsfire for a "this is the future liberals want" image macro.

>>10365561
That's odd. Was it supposed to be a good thing or a bad thing?

>>10363395
>What are some good fantasy novels with dwarves as protagonists?
You okay with gnomes? Try Cogweaver Trilogy.

>>10365529
It's good anime trash. But if the prologue was too anime for your tastes, the rest of the series isn't going to get any more tolerable.

>>10365569
Presumably a parody of the entire meme, like all the "this is the ideal male body" (photo of George Costanza) parodies.

>>10365604
That's a shame. I was hoping I could find something with detail to world building, and mythological implications. A world with morality, good versus evil. Instead all I can find are the Marvel equivalent of fantasy books.

>>10365621
Ah, that sounds like 4chan.

>>10365628
Mormon man does world building just fine.

>>10365646
I'll give it another go.
Still the fact that so many women enjoyed the book seems like a pretty good warning to stay away.

>>10365367
The Chanur novels.

Thinking about writing an Alternate Timeline, Alternate History, Fantasy novel. Sounds good.

>>10365766
Pretty many of literally any gender, including helicopters, enjoyed the book, second to GRRM Sanderson is probably the most popular fantasy writer.

>>10366268

>>10366279
After having read 5 Chapters of both Stormlight and Malazan, I've decided to stick with the latter.

>popular fantasy writer
>in 2017

I shudder.

>>10366376
Well your opinions are literally Hitler.

>>10366424
>Wardship to a woman of great renown was the best way to be schooled in the feminine arts: music, painting, writing, logic, and science. It was much like how a young man would train in the honor guard of a brightlord he respected.

Sanderson pls

>>10366433
>feminine arts
>logic, and science
I know this is high fantasy, but it's really stretching it.

>>10366575
It's a cultural thing, and men can volunteer to be slave-monks if they want to be scholars but not participate in society. Navani probably has an army of neckbearded ardents named Stevet doing all the work she takes credit for.

>>10366575
>>10366433
Read the fucking books before you shit talk. They did that so wamens wouldn't get weapons. In a world where a shardsword is as tall as you, weighs the mass of a broom handle, and can cut through literally anything, strength is not a factor.
Shardweapons are the great levers. Men took weapons from females and made it a "man only" occupation, so women got the other shit.

>Great Britain... In the not too distant future, after a brutal, civil race war against immigrants and anyone non-white British, David, an ex-soldier with a tragic past and nothing left to live for sets off on a perilous journey of revenge and redemption into the heart of a lawless and unrecognizable, un-United Kingdom.
>As David seeks the barbaric racist murderers who brutally butchered his own, mixed raced lover, he is joined on this dangerous journey into the stunning, yet unforgiving, Scottish Highlands by Louise, a young black Muslim girl, searching for her own missing family, in amongst the chaotic aftermath.

wow sounds compelling and brilliant

>>10366612
oh my
this is so fuckin cancer
its not enough to make "oh my racist" they put a fuckin black muslin

>>10366606
MUH SEXISM
Do you not realize that gender roles are not 'CULTURAL'. That a society must adhere to natural laws or risk degeneration and ultimately extinction.

Our issue with that is not that MUH WOMEN R SUPERIOR. It's that it's inherently unnatural. Men aren't the master of logic and science because we of power dynamics. They are so because of their innate biological and spiritual ability.

>>10366620
Britain belongs to the darkies don't ya know

>>10366606
There's no example of a DYEL shardbearer doing any damage though.

>>10366606
If anything your explanation has even larger marxist undertones... that the PATRIARCHY forced women to the sciences so that men could hold the TRUE power.

Geez man, I mean, Aes Sedai man, you know. Aes Sedai baka

>>10366675
aes sedai should be raped

Lil disappointed with neuromancer.

>>10366775
It's a good book but I would not say that it have aged well.

>that ending for Warlock of the Magus World
what the heck was that? who was Khali? I should've seen the tree of life coming but I didn't. Also the bit with Jergal was too short imo.
>it's finally over

>>10366936
I felt the same way bro, you can tell how rushed the author was.

>mfw 3 arcs compressed into 3 chapters
Never got to learn more about leylins family, who else he knocked up or what they were up too.
never will
Can finally marathon the series completely.

What are some good fantasy anthologies?

>>10366959
More importantly, was he invading his old home world? The A.I chip was never explained either. I'm somewhat annoyed.
Are you planning to read it again from the beginning?

>>10366981
Possibly, it seems to be what he was hinting since it had AI chips and super humans.
I will be reading it from the start.
Since he has time powers it's possible he could go visit his old family too.

>>10367014
Leylin SoL spinoff when?

>>10366675
>>10366687
>ywn be an Asha'man and bond an arrogant Aes Sedai against her will

>>10366936
Kali is a Hindu god of destruction. She was featured in Black Company and lord of light.

>>10364759
Broken Empire Trilogy starts out similar, not particularly dark though.

>>10367055
I'm pretty sure that's unrelated

Anybody know of a place where I can read some random shorts, ideally from established settings? Like TES, 40K fanfiction and the like. No sexual stuff.

>>10367077
Not exactly what you're looking for but: http://www.scp-wiki.net/

>>10367077
theres the HFY collection.
this is not complete but its being updated all the time
https://imgur.com/gallery/w3nA4
then theres this archive http://hfy-archive.org/

for more stuff try the 1d4chan archive and look for story time threads

>>10367055
>She

>>10366978
Reave the Just and Other Tales by Stephen Donaldson

Can someone reccomend me something that's as large and intricate as Malazan
but actually good and with actual characters and characterization?

I need to read some epic fantasy besides LOTR and ASOIAF where there's a huge amount of lore and fan theories and such. Something I can lose myself in for a while.

Ideally something ongoing, but by an author who puts out books faster than Martin.

>>10366978
Dunsany has a bunch.

>>10367122
That image is beyond retarded.

>>10367388

Go fuck yourself.

>>10367389
Sanderson. But don't blame me when you realize he's average at best.

>>10367388
There's no such thing.

Anyone got any suggestions for low-stakes books with interesting characters?

I'm sick of the apocalypse and the evil megacorp coming to kill the main character. I want something a little more grounded, but which isn't "what I did in Dublin today :)" levels of grounded.

>>10367510
Warlock of the Magus world and all the other novels like it all have zero stakes, interesting characters is debatable however, I'd say it has at least an interesting main character, even if everybody else are props.

>>10367389
Not ongoing, but WoT

Just picked up 'Hard to Be a God' by Arkady and Boris Strugatsky

Anyone here read it? Decent read?

>>10367819
>The novel's core idea is that human progress throughout the centuries is often cruel and bloody, and that religion and blind faith can be effective tools of oppression, working to destroy the emerging scientific disciplines and enlightenment
...
*tips fedora*

Updated. If you have other list them

>>10367816
>muh muh wot is pleb
soon the sffg patricians will come
>implying
>sffg
>patrician

>>10367819
It's good, emotional.

>>10367388
Discworld, pic related.

>>10367510
Fforde: Shades of Grey,

Does the dragon reencarnates as other souls or only when he is to fight the dark one?

>>10367816
Theorizing about WoT was the best thing about it
>tfw pages and pages discussing who Asmodean's killer was

>>10368036
ok thanks

>>10367835
kys faggot

>>10368085
the death of asmodean saddens me, he could've lived to the end and perhaps change to a good man

>>10368137
Actual redemption of at least one of the Forsaken always seemed like a given. I wonder if RJ would've written that into the story if he hadn't died. Although, if he was planning to I'm sure he would've left something about it in his notes. I thought Lanfear would turn to the good side at the end, personally, in whatever way.

>>10368150
is it a spoiler? i am in the middle of crown of swords

which languages is the old tongue of wot based of?

>>10368168
Yea, it's a spoiler

>coasting through the first Farseer trilogy
>comfy classic fantasy
>finally get halfway through the second book
>MUH TRUE LOVE plotline
Holy fuck this is the worst

>>10367819
It's great, but Picnic is better.

>>10367982
>implying WoT is more/less pleb than any other "epic" fantasy like Malazan, Stormlight or ASoIaF
>implying there's anything wrong with having a guilty pleasure

>>10367928
>all those dinosaurs

>>10368342
this is exactly what i mean, as long as you enjoy, the book is worth.

>>10368264
>>MUH TRUE LOVE plotline
It's not though. Not at all.

>>10368137
>>10368150
>tfw neither Asmodean, Lanfear or Demandred they could have gotten
What true darkfriends actually redeemed themselves and/or returned to the light? I can only recall two, Verins Warder and Ingtar. It really feels like a concept that could have been explored more deeply.

>>10368362
>spoilerthey could have gotten
Got the redemption and happiness they could have gotten, I meant to say

>>10367819
Amazing

>>10368264
lol read on binch

>>10368264
Oh, you have no idea how dark the tunnel goes

Abandon all hope of enjoyment, ye with read beyond book one of farseer

>>10367928
Good Intentions is giving me a constant hardon. I have to read it in my room to hide. I'm not sure if I like that or not.

Anybody have recommendations for SFF books or series (especially series that are say 1200-2000 pages long) where the main cast of characters are all really damaged people and the reader gets to see them learn and change over time, and the adventure (ideally with awesome action sequences) is mostly a lens for exploration of those characters and their relationships and such?

Lev Grossman's Magicians Trilogy, and the book Vurt by Jeff Noon, are the only ones so far that have really scratched that itch for me, but I realized I love this shit.

>>10365273
Might have to try reading it my man

What are some good stand alone fantasy novels?

>>10366622
There's plenty of male academics, it's just institutionalized in a weird way where they're considered technically slaves and can't fight to obtain better rank. Keep in mind that the narrator in this case is perhaps the most cancer character in the books, though she get a lot better, then schizophrenic, and other cultures work a lot differently.

>>10368791
The library at mount char
Perdido Street Station

>>10368791

War of the Flowers - Tad Williams
Grunts - Mary Gentle
Armor - Somethingorother Steakley (this is admittedly sci fi)
The Redemption of Althalus - David Eddings
Tim Powers in general has some great stuff if you like historical fantasy and most of his stuff is just one off

>>10368726
The Lies of Locke Lamora is a little like that. The main cast feature a bunch of damaged characters, you follow their growth mainly through flashbacks. And it's quite action packed.

>>10368726
six of crows

You all keep saying GRI but it's really GRIMDARK.

Gay, Rape, Incest, Murder, Dildos, Anal, Rape again, Kissing.

>>10367835
Reminds me of Michener's Space. That guy hit a wall when he went senile.

>>10368918
Use second R for roleplay.

>>10365646
>Mormon man does world building just fine.
Nice joke anon

Gay male rape scene in the first chapter.

The final book is even more insane.

>>10368791
>>10368803
Library at Mount Char was terrible.

>yfw you will never be a wayward adventure tapping FRESH barmaid ass

what's wrong with him lads

>>10369409

He's a fat fuck gnome.

The Coldfire Trilogy has been optioned as a TV series. Hopefully Netflix will pick it up or something.

which fantasy authors are /fit/ chads? the only ones I hear about are fat.

>>10369448
is that neo-naz?

>>10369477
China Mieville

>>10369486
No it's a Pern-style "space colony gets fucked up by naturally occurring magic and ends up as medieval fantasy land" setting about a priest going on a quest with a witch and a tortured sexy vampire who feeds on fear (the guy on the cover). It's very good and is only three books so I highly recommend reading it instead of the modern crop of mediocre door-stoppers.

>>10369477
Myke Cole.

>Patji is a fucking Shard
>only like 3 unknown Shards left

>>10369519
>read the first book
>wiki the next two
Kinda glad I didn't read them. I liked the book but I felt like it could have been much shorter although I feel the author has a very unique way of writing personalities and thoughts.

>>10369559
>Sanderson is a fucking popular author
>no hope left

Trying to worldbuild for a fantasy novel and I can't make a map that doesn't look all wrong. The fuck do I do now?

I mostly only care about the setting as a vehicle for political intrigue exploring themes, and putting characters in situations that allow me to explore who they are as people, and the occasional outburst of interpersonal violence.

>>10369527
You actually liked this?
It was cringey as fuck.

>>10369676
Not that anon, but the anon he was responding to asked for fit chad authors, not good authors.

Anybody read the Empire of Storms trilogy by Jon Skovron? Is it good?

>>10369588
There is no way a map can look wrong. Fucking autistic assburgers calling maps on shit when the land is in an imaginary world affect by magic is beyond me.
Keyboard physics and geology professors telling you that water can't be there, or a desert can't be there, or a bog can't be there. When someone can summon the dead back from the void, and nuke shit i to extinction with mere words.

tfw every time I read something it becomes harder to find something else to read

Weirdly this doesn't apply to "quality" sff, just the trashy space opera/adventure stuff I like

>>10369477
Red Rising guy is super purty

>>10369745
Have you read the Stainless Steel Rat books?

>>10369754
Never actually heard of them even though I'm sure I've read something else by the author.

I'll stick the first one on the pile of stuff I'm putting on my kindle

>>10369685
gonna read some of this too even though it looks like trash, I'll post thoughts pretty soon if I do start it

>>10369588
Go Glen Cook style and be as vague as possible then?

>>10368342
>guilty pleasure

Oh fuck off. Like what you like and stop giving a shit what other people think about it.

>>10369783
guilty pleasures aren't about what other people think it's when you personally know it's trash and feel slightly bad for enjoying it because of this

>>10369783
What if I like things that I should be ashamed of though?

>>10369745
I'm currently reading Manifold: Time and I'm surprisingly enjoying it more than I thought.

>>10369788
>>10369789

I guess I just don’t understand feeling bad for liking a thing. Thing makes me happy. I don’t want to feel bad for being happy.

>>10369801
it's called having standards you brainlet
everyone fights against akrasia

Baen getting on that light novel bandwagon.
>Stephen Russ never expected to have to answer that question; he went to work, he stayed in his apartment, sometimes had friends over, and the worst thing he'd had to face was looking for a new job after losing his old one.

>But that was before a child's desperate scream led him into an alley filled with faceless winged things that almost killed him, before the strange white rat spoke to him, calling itself Silvertail Heartseeker and telling him that this was but the beginning, that the Stars were almost Right and the forces of Azathoth Nine-Armed would soon be unleashed against the world… before Silvertail said that his courage and willingness to risk himself made him the perfect choice to be one of the defenders of the world against this evil.

>A defender named Princess Holy Aura, the first of the five Apocalypse Maidens.

>Now Steve understands the choice: not whether he is willing to die, but whether he is willing to live… by giving up "Stephen Russ" to become the one chance that the world has against the monstrous forces that wait on the other side of forever.

>>10369676
I would've been fine with shadow ops until the entire third act was people acting retarded

>>10369810
That sounds suspiciously like a man being Isekai'd as a magical girl.

finally gave Magician (feist) a read

This would be like an amazing epic if they just stuck with one perspective but instead it shifts POV so much that I'm bored

>>10369527
Dude looks like a butch Netanyahu.

>>10369477

>>10369409
Trump is in power.

>>10369844
no he's asking what's wrong with that guy in particular, not America in general.

>>10369588
There are regular worldbuilding threads on /tg/ if you feel you absolutely can't do without a map.

>>10369810
>Eric Flint deigns to put his name on your other book so Baen can shill it
>reward him by using his name to advertise an isekai
thus always to commies

>>10369849
Trump being in power is literally what Rothfuss blames all his current problems on.

>>10369827
Staple of the epic fantasy genre desu. Shifts less than most others I've read honestly. Did you read all of Magician, or just Apprentice?

>>10369863
Didn't even finish Apprentice

I got past the bit when Pug was in other world but then it pov switched and I haven't wanted to go back to it

>>10369685
>Anybody read the Empire of Storms trilogy by Jon Skovron? Is it good?
lmao the first line of the book begins "Captain Sin Toa"

>>10369477
Terry Goodkind

Just finished Oathbringer, I need something else, QUICK!

>>10367928
Is The Steel Remains any good? I need a lot of gaynessssssss

>>10365529
I really enjoyed that book, and the other two that are out. I don't know what qualifies as anime trash, but the world and the way magic works are really interesting.

>>10370083
I dropped the first book because it was overly graphic, and I have a fairly high tolerance for gay stuff.

though IMO it's more that Richard K. Morgan has issues with sex in general.

>>10370230
Graphically gay? That's the goal famalam

>>10370058
>Oathbringer
>"We wuz Kingz n shiet" to the rhythm of destruction

what the F*CK am i reading?
Got this yesterday, and I already halved it, im enjoying it a lot, but...wat?

>>10369827
I dropped Feist's stuff after like the fourth time he resurrected Macros, like jesus christ.

>>10364804
>purple knight
>- it aint easy

that wasn't supposed to be that funny

>>10369791
Make sure to read Manifold: Space. Not necessarily Origin.
David Brin's Existence is great and explores some similar themes.

>>10370379
>>10369875
>>10369827
I've never finished a Tad Williams series for this reason. And it's pretty hard to throw me off with POV switches. In his case it seems like any time he gets a little bit bored he adds four new characters with new arcs, and they certainly aren't all equal.

>>10369783
>>10369801
I don't really feel bad for liking WoT, give me a better word for enjoying something objectively bad/average and I'll use that in the future.

>>10370399
I plan to. I have both downloaded but what is wrong with Origin? Is it like a prequel or something? If so then I probably won't check it out.

>>10370318
Brain is a survival engine not truth detector

>>10370678
>I have both downloaded but what is wrong with Origin? Is it like a prequel or something?
Interestingly the books are linked by characters and concept (Reid Malenfant explores a possible answer to the Fermi Paradox), but each exists as if the others hadn't taken place, so there can't really be a prequel.
Origin isn't completely awful, but it struggles to connect the main characters' story to the scientific hypothesizing Baxter wants to explore, where the first two books do that very well. And honestly he doesn't have terribly original observations to make about evolution anyway. So end the end you're left with a thin Planet of the Apes rescue story and what feels like a mostly unrelated set of short stories set in different stages of primate evolution, that all gets sloppily tied together and kicked under the bed at the end.
Existence takes a much more surprising and yet somehow also more believable approach as to what post space age "evolution" might look like in a universe bound by the implications of the Fermi Paradox.

Years back I read several books from the Lords of Dus series that were left in the break room of my high school workplace- are these any good, worth returning to?

>>10370318
>...wat.
don't you mean, "...wow"?

>>10370995
>>10370719
I mean, yeah, its really good so far, but not really what i fucking expected...

>>10369448
Just started this to get over warlock of the magus word ending, bretty gud so far.

>>10371000
finish it and read the endnotes

>>10364804

Reading The Blade Itself now and its utter mind numbing young adult banality.

I hate not finishing books so im gonna plough on, but its gonna be a fucking hard slog

why do these books always get included in top 20 Best Fantasy Fiction lists???

>>10369836
Please. That's a complete dyel, look at these shoulders. And don't get me started on his facial features. Remove the filter and the only reason he's not lower than a 4 is his blue eyes.

>>10369810
>Patrick Rothfuss never expected to have to finish that book: he went on the internet, he stayed in his apartment, sometimes attended author conventions, and the worst thing he'd had to face was writing blog posts in trump's America after losing the elections.

>>10371081
> utter mind numbing young adult banality.
Oh yeah, banality. Sure. Try to read past the first chapter.

>>10371109

No page 268 now and the characters have already been revealed in all their generic glory - evil torturer, mean & moody barbarian, rich fencing student, magic user who can summon convenient nuclear explosions whenever a life or death situation presents itself.

Tell my why these books are not the epitome of generic young adult banality?

>>10367819
Good read, writing seemed to be a little dense though but I read an older copy so the translation might've been odd

I'll start this with I don't care about anyone's opinion of the game but I like it's setting. Are there any books out there with a sci fi fantasy mix like Destiny? I love the games world, lore, and tone but it leaves me wanting much more. Anybody know of anything?

>>10371119

Keep reading. Dere's more den meets de' eye

>>10371000
If you want more "wat", read pic related.

>>10371155
>Destiny
>we're here and we're fabulous
>accessories
>does this make my butt look big
Read the halo books. Or undying mercenaries by Bv Larson.

>>10371240
I was speaking more on its mystical sci fi setting. It blends my favorite parts of both fantasy and science fiction. I'll look into the undying mercenaries.

>>10364514
>Degenerates Edition
what's the point the whole genre has already been hijacked by Dykes, Trannies and leftist trash.

>>10371305
>implying there doesn't already exist more books in the genre than you can ever read

>>10371155
Deathstalker is the super obvious one, it's star wars style fantasy plot set in space with actual magic too

>>10371305
Yeah I'm fucking sick of all these new leftie authors like Asimov and Le Guin trying to take over MY genre

Anybody here read the Vorkosigan Saga? Thoughts?

>>10371405

No one is saying or has ever said that there isn't room for that point of view. The hijacking is in the push to cleanse the genre of right wing or not outright SJW/preaching.

That's the hijacking. It's the attempt to get rid of all non left stuff that's been happening lately. No one's saying that there's no room for that point of view.

>>10371287
>mystical sci fi
The Golden Age, John C. Wright.
he Quantum Prince, Hannu Rajaniemi.
Fire Time, Poul Anderson.

>>10371405
Exactly, SFF has been all lefties all the time, nothing but progressives since day 1.

can we ban shitty anime "novels"/web "novels" from the general?

>>10371515
>>10365550

>>10371552
Webnovels are webnovels. Long as we're clear on that, K?

>>10371503
Wait why is T.R. Fehrenbach on this list at all?

>>10371475
>the push to cleanse the genre of right wing

In actuality: Larry Corea published a bunch of pulp novels through Baen, and then got mad when he didn't win a popularity contest. He blamed this on LIBERALS! and not on the fact that he writes pulp novels and publishes them through a vanity press. Then after attempting to organize "conservative readers" to vote for his stuff, it got hijacked by a American white supremacist living in Italy (because his father stole a bunch of money and it's in a European bank) and the majority of the original authors supporting Corea, and himself, distanced themselves or disavowed the movement as a result. The popularity contest changed it's rules after a couple years to prevent ballot stuffing, although in many cases the conservative nominees either didn't win or were beaten by "no nomination" votes.

>>10371503
Ironic that Poul Anderson wrote stories about futuristic man underestimating primitives while supporting a losing war in Indochina against feudal peasants with minimal training and weapons.

I have nothing else to do.Will post recent russian sf covers.
Blindsight

>>10371710
Echopraxia

>>10371720
Permutation City

>>10371725
Altered Carbon

>>10371731
Thirteen

>>10371736
Beyond the Rift

Also soon we will have Perfekcyjna niedoskonałość from Jacek Dukaj in this series! As i heard he writes smart shit like Greg Egan.

>>10371746
Luna: New Moon

>>10371754
Original cover is much better though.

>>10371759
Brasyl

>>10371707
Thank you for setting this shot straight. I'm so sick of this "liberal agenda" bullshit just because often mediocre pulp isn't beating out the work of authors who are trying to do more than that. There's nothing wrong with pulp (The Price of Pain-Ease legitimately made me cry) but let's not pretend average pulp beats out the best "literary" SFF if the year any more than shitty attempts at literary SFF are better than the best pulp.

Most of these people are just assblasted their favorite hack writer is getting (genuinely) beaten by people who don't share their worldview.

When something genuinely shirty goes down, everybody notices. Even leddit was disgusted by the Fantastic Beasts screenplay winning Goodreads' best fantasy award.

>>10371786
>genuinely shirty
Lol, shitty.

>>10371780
Jack Glass

>>10371796
The Three-Body Problem

>>10371802
The Dark Forest

>>10371786
Teddy Beale is the only guy to ever get kicked out of the successful /sffg/ of America. What a cunt.

>>10368726
The Gap Cycle

>>10371707
>implying the Vietnam War was a military loss
>implying Fire Time was even about Vietnam
>implying Baen is a vanity house
>implying Correia is the first or last non-leftie to get unpersoned by a big American publishing house
I don't even know where to start.

https://subterraneanpress.com/news/announcing-an-epic-new-novella-by-greg-egan/

Welcome to Tvibura and Tviburi, the richly imagined twin planets that stand at the center of Greg Egan’s extraordinary new novella, Phoresis.

These two planets—one inhabited, one not—exist in extreme proximity to one another. As the narrative begins, Tvibura, the inhabited planet, faces a grave and imminent threat: the food supply is dwindling, and the conditions necessary for sustaining life are growing more and more erratic. Faced with the prospect of eventual catastrophe, the remarkable women of Tvibura launch a pair of ambitious, long-term initiatives. The first involves an attempt to reanimate the planet’s increasingly dormant ecosphere. The second concerns the building of a literal “bridge between worlds” that will connect Tvibura to its (hopefully) habitable sibling.

These initiatives form the core of the narrative, which is divided into three sections and takes place over many generations. The resulting triptych is at once an epic in miniature, a work of hard SF filled with humanist touches, and a compressed, meticulously detailed example of original world building. Most centrally, it is a portrait of people struggling—and sometimes risking everything—to preserve a future they will not live to see. Erudite and entertaining, Phoresis shows us Egan at his formidable best, offering the sort of intense, visionary pleasures only science fiction can provide.

>>10371892
>having the engineering capability to build a bridge to another planet
>being unable to fly there
That sounds retarded.

>>10371907
is Egan low-key woke on the Woman Question?

LET'S BE HONEST.
FANTASY IS DEAD AND IS NEVER COMING BACK.
WE SHOULD JUST CHANGE THIS INTO SCI-FI GENERAL, IN MY HUMBLE, HONEST, AND INFORMED OPINION.
PEOPLE BRINGING NAMES LIKE SANDERSON'S INTO THIS THREAD ONLY SOILS OUR DISCUSSIONS AND GIVES US A BAD REP.
SCI-FI AUTHORS ARE ERUDITE AND WRITE MASTERFULLY; YOUR TYPICAL FANTASY AUTHOR LOOKS LIKE HE COSPLAYS NURGLE AND CAN'T GET A BASIC IDEA ACROSS IN A SINGLE SENTENCE, LET ALONE MOVE A STORY ALONG IN THEIR 1000 PAGES BOOK 1/15 SERIES.
BAN ALL FANTASY DISCUSSION THAT ISN'T TOLKIEN AND MAKE THIS A BETTER PLACE.

>>10372050
> 1000 PAGES BOOK 1/15 SERIES
Yeah, I always give up on second book even if it's good series.

>>10372050
>A Vehicle for my Batshit Ideas by Armchai R. Physicist
nah, eat shit sci-cuck.

>>10371707
>Baen
>vanity press
This is why no one likes you.

>>10372050
Let's be honest.
Sci-Fi brought us furries.

>>10364518
i heard Gath Nix's Sabriel and The Bone Doll's Twin series have oppressive, dark atmospheres like Dark Souls. they're on lists in the OP too

>>10372150
also The Book of the New Sun series by everyone's favorite genre fic Catlick

>>10371786

Let's remove HP Lovecraft from things because he was racist

Let's literally fill the whole ballot with leftists and complain when someone wants another point of view represented

Let's make sure there's equal representation on judging panels

Let's kick that one gay reviewer off the panel for deciding locus reading list because he "said something transphobic one time maybe"

No lefty agenda pervading in scifi/fantasy though. It's all good.

>>10368845
Why would you recommend this shit?
not impressed

>>10372229
I always misread the name as kys

>>10372229

Sorry let me try again.
What you should do is make a single pdf "book" out of every sanderson novel into one huge standalone novel. That way you can get your young adult fuckin' "epic" fantasy safe hand jack off george rr martin wannabe shit in one convenient easy to read package.

>>10371731
>Altered Carbon
I liked it, it was like neuromancer with more gore and protagonist that was "the body" instead of just a guy behind the screen.

>>10371736
>Thirteen
I will try this. The cover makes me want to. Goodreads blurb isn't all that, but meh. Morgan writes good books. If I can read a book about cars, stock markets, and economic intrigue combied into one, I can try this thirteen thing.

>>10369409
He had no idea were to take his book. He had no outline and now can't write a resolution.

>>10371892
after reading and completing city at the End of Time I'm not touching Egan's work again.

>>10369448
I will put it on my list

>>10368845
>>10372229
Sorry wrong quote. It was pic related I was talking about in >>10372229

>>10367928
The Destroyer by Michael-Scott Earle is long winded but has nice sex.
>R.scott bakker
I looked at The Judging Eye and The Darkness That Comes Before. then read wiki for his other books. It seems like bunch of convoluted garbage. What little philosophy is there is simplistic and could have been conveyed more succinctly but he tortures his reader like a true pseudo

>>10368714
Im sure you will get tried of polygamy propaganda but before that you will cum at least few times.

>>10372150
>The Bone Doll's Twin series
>Shelves: genderstudies, fantasy, queer, fiction, wishlist
>Shelves: sf-fantasy, lgbt, favorites
>Shelves: paranormal, fantasy, adventure, audiobook-, gender-웃유, gothic, myth-religion-folklore
>Shelves: transgender, fantasy
>Shelves: fantasy, magic, demons-angels, witches-wizards, high-fantasy, sexuality, gender
>Shelves: feminist-friendly, lgbt, high-fantasy, fantasy, gender-bender, creepy
This is the shit you are trying to shill me?

>>10372341
That's Bear, not Egan.

>>10372341
> City at the End of Time by Greg Bear

>>10366775
probably because you already saw/read everyone who took ideas from it. It gave the world ideas but as a work itself it is mediocre at best

>>10371796
>Jack Glass
Is it from pic related? Or is it someone else?

>>10365529
Its anime trash. Its an ok read but the other books don't pay off the build up. it ends in sorrow. ridiculous weapons don't help

>>10372399
Seems so.

>>10370058
warbreaker?

>>10365404
this.
>>10365289
now comes the judgment. I gave the first book a lot of leeway but if they don't answer any of the questions/ if its just more fucking around than my rating will be low

>>10371081
yeah, it doesn't get better

>>10372380
First book I read where my dick is in my hands at all times

I used to love this series as a kid. Does it still hold up?

>>10371869
>implying the Vietnam War was a military loss

Military victories don't matter if you lose the war, no matter how many mathematical formulas you come up with that say you're winning.

Take French Algeria for example. The French took every lesson from Viet Nam and were winning there. And what was the cost of this military victory? 75% of the French military was deployed to Algeria costing $3 million Francs per day. The French military mutinied twice and there were two attempted coups against the civilian government. Reasonably sized terror campaigns by both left and right-wing groups in France. And they were the most hated country in the world after South Africa and had to leave NATO.

As Bernard Fall put it:
>This is where the word "grandeur" applies to President de Gaulle: he was capable of seeing through the trees of military victory to a forest of political defeat and he chose to settle the Algerian insurgency by other means.

is elayne really reencarnation of ilyena or its just the name which are very alike?

>>10365529
For me it's honor porn, there is a lot of "doing the right thing in face of hedonistic nonsense" and I love it. Imho the world is also interesting but it all comes down to characters, meat of the books are about their day-to-day stuff. 2 of three are about the right thing stuff so it was right up my alley, third one can be a dealbraker for some but at times i enjoyed her

>>10371405
t. cuckold

>>10372386
what? i dont know about any of that, it's under "dark fantasy" in our OWN freaking chart, get over yourself. i can't stand leftist propaganda either, all i know is it's dark fantasy and seems intriguing

>>10372568
call me a women hater but I think the female character derailed the whole story and the romance sub plot did not help things.(talking about all the books not just he first one)

Which are the best books which have the themes:
>honor
>duty(what you have to do may bring death to you but you will have to do nonetheless)
>honor
>sacrifice

>>10372092
Baen publishes a lot of shit though, seems that if you can get them to publish one of your books, they'll publish anything else you write.

>>10372104
Actually there are cave paintings of sexy bison women, and they found a idol in a cave in Germany of a person (it's unclear if they're male or female) with a cave lion's head.

IMO furries are just a outgrowth of man's base primal desires to be a apex predator. I mean even without furries there's a ton of literature glorifying the "freedom, power and majesty" of eagles, hawks, wolves, tigers, lions, etc.

What's the best new fantasy series from this year?

>>10372104
not egypt or don bluth? That is a new take, I have only really seen furies in 1 old Sci-Fi book series

>You will never lie on a bed in a Pelerine hospital and reflect on the deceptively meaningful stories of your dying neighbors.

>>10372598
While the approach to romance seems very modern the complete absence of it would have been strange as characters lack the development in that area and in a series where the more developed individuals are the more powers they get it makes sense to explore as much of a person as possible. I'm on the first 20% of oathbringer though so I may end up eating my words

>>10372597
Look at goodreads. Its the shelves of people who read the book.

>>10372627
Good Intentions >>10367928

>>10372824
>where the more developed individuals are the more powers they get it
? Did not Words of Radiance end with MC's brother coming out of nowhere and saying he too had powers all along? you make it sound like you can't be fully developed if you don't have romance during the apocalypse .
>While the approach to romance seems very modern
I also had the specific flavor of "they insult each other and bicker a lot but they really love each other" flavor/type especially since it does not seem to go with their characterization in other chapters(pettiness most of all)

>>10371119
The books get deeper as you read, yes at first it is just generic bullshit but that is the point. It is hard to describe it without spoiling it but it's really worth it.

>>10371119
dump it and switch to best served cold.

>>10372868
but its smut

>path of daggers
>275 pages of elayne and nynaeve
but and the protag?

>>10372738
SciFi cons brought them together. It's where they flourished before the internet took off.

>>10372683
>Baen publishes a lot of shit though, seems that if you can get them to publish one of your books, they'll publish anything else you write.
>she thinks this isn't true about every major genrefic publisher

>>10373028
You really have to be the low IQ anon to be reading this shit.

>>10373028
Wait until you hit Crossroads of Twilight, wherein there is literally ONE Rand chapter that is 5 pages long. Holy shit does that book have problems.

>>10373159

She?

>>10373190
Batman?

I'm still early in the Oathbringer but why exactly parshmen are angrie at humies? I gather there will be revealed a deep reason as to why most of them became retards but so far by all accounts if they were left on their own would sit around doing nothing. They seemingly didn't mind being slaves so why is there all this race whining bullshit?

To rephrase I understand why they would feel angry/frustrated, I don't get why narratively I should care about it. If horses suddenly gained 200 iq and were all like "why are you riding me ree it's war right after I watch the new rick and morty season tfw no gf" would we retrospectively be in the wrong because they potentially had capacity for high intelligence? The way I see it they can have their frustrations but they are not my fault or concern.

>>10373336
Just read the fucking book. Everything is explained. Unless you are abrainlet who needs shit spelt out in it's entirety.

>>10373190

My musk is too overpowering for them so they're attempting to portray me as a woman to rationalize their latent homosexual lust.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twQlpFrm5iM

>>10373371
Amanda Lear - Enigma
1:04 Donna Summer - I Feel Love
1:45 Sylvester - You Make Me Feel
1:59 Sabrina - Boys
2:27 Mel & Kim - Respectable
2:30 Yazoo - Don't Go
2:53 Dead or Alive - You Spin Me Round
3:13 Fun Fun - Color My Love
3:29 Dead or Alive - You Spin me Round

Fuck this shit.

>>10373364
I'm doing it, it's a big book, just was wondering if there was a legit reason why Kalladin in his thoughts didn't acknowledge that parshmen were seemingly made for slavery. It feels like the current political climate is being projected onto the book instead of it living it's own life. There was already a passage with jasnah being angry that a woman's place in the world is supposed to be figured out instead of each woman figuring stuff on her own even though in that world men's place is figured out as well and they are afraid to learn reading because it's gay.

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to start some shit, it just felt disingenuous and I was already in the thread so I asked.

>>10372164
Reality has a liberal bias :-^)

>>10373511
That was jarring for me too. Kaladin's response is very modern and there's an incident towards the end that's even worse about that.

From the Parshmen's side, though, later on someone comments that the Alethi Parshmen have turned into warlike class-climbers while their counterparts in more peaceful nations adopted those traits. Like at one point some of these soldiers are like, "dude, we're fishermen, we don't want to hurt these people, they treated us fine."

>>10373336
>>10373511
>They seemingly didn't mind being slaves so why is there all this race whining bullshit?

Doesn't one of them explicitly say that he DID mind being a slave, it was just that he wasn't intelligent enough to express it disobey? That he was essentially trapped in a hellish fog of misery but didn't have the rationality to understand why or how to fix it? I'm pretty sure that's one of the first things one of them says to Kaladin.

Anyone read this? Saw it had China Mieville, Alan Moore, and Negarestani

>>10373589
>That he was essentially trapped in a hellish fog of misery but didn't have the rationality to understand why or how to fix it?
I'll never ride a horse again

Any sci-fi books you can recommend about a badass team of heroes being heroes, saving the day, and maybe also fighting an evil empire?

Basically I want book Voltron but aimed at adults.

I'm currently 100 pages into the Gene Wolfe's Citadel Of The Autarch read. This volume has a far more charming beginning third than Sword Of The Lictor, Sev's time with the Pelerines is some comfy stuff.

Holiday season reads lined up: HG Wells The Invisible Man, Gene Wolfe's Fifth Head of Cerberus, Poul Anderson's Broken Sword, all first reads, and my first exposure to Poul Anderson (how is Poul pronounced?)

Planned Jan 2018 rereads: Gavriel Kay's Tigana. I have no memory of when I read this as a teenager.

>>10373170
Shit. Thats the next one for me. I thought Winter’s Heart was pretty good, especially compared to the last few. Don’t wanna go back to shit.

>>10373170
but in COT does the plot move forward or is just shit?

>>10374121
The plot in CoT is more glacially slow than at any other point in the entire series.

>>10374105
Crossroads has a fuck ton of Mat and his loli waifu so its great. Only downside was the Elayne chapters who somehow manages to devolve from a partially retarded character to a massive retard.
Winters Heart was the worst book IMO since it was so Faile centric who happens to be literally the worst character in the whole series.

>>10374121
>>10374105
CoT has literally zero plot development. Essentially, the entire book takes place over a couple of days and shows you what the lives of all the characters are like in those couple of days, as well how they react to the events at the end of Winter's heart. And when I say everyone, I do mean everyone, every SINGLE GODDAMN CHARACTER. The book almost experimental, in that it's just dipping into the lives of two completely ordinary days of every single character in the series, describing in excruciating detail every single thing that they do. Not two interesting days where something unusual happens, just two completely ordinary days, that in any other book would be glossed over. Like, four chapters in a row are "Perrin feels like something funny is up", "Perrin finds Shadowhound tracks" "Perrin follows them for a bit before they vanish" "Perrin wonders what they were doing". That's literally everything that happens in those chapters, and they're some of the most action-packed in the book. What little conflict there is is all extremely limited and much more introspective and philosophical than fighting the bad guys - one character's only conflict, for instance, is deciding whether or not to torture a captive that has valuable information they need. It's an interesting idea in theory but it's just freaking boring to read outside of a few good Mat bits. The book is literally skippable, you would miss NOTHING if you just moved on to the next one. Which is still padded as heck.

>>10374189
>who happens to be literally the worst character in the whole series.
Egwene is worse because she occupies way more chapters than Faile.

>>10374266
Faile manages to make a decent character and make him shit.
Egwene just hangs out with a bunch of unlikable retards.

I literally do not give a fuck about reading a graphic novel most people say has shit pacing and art and it could be a good 4 months before the next sanderson newsletter. Does anybody have a copy of the white sand prose novel? It sounds like such a comfy setting and even if its shit I'm just really curious to read it.

>>10374105
You're in for a slog until Knife of Dreams

Moash did nothing wrong.

>Parshendi presented as this tribal society that's never met outsiders before
>they have established customs about what assassins wear
>one of the forms they remember is warform
Must have been some bloody inter-listener conflict.

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