/lit/ - Literature

What did Nick mean by this?

>>10301873
I think he underestimates how powerful of a force Liberalism is

>>10301880
>"make racism scientific again!"

>>10301880
Niggers don't tend toward individualism.

>>10301890
Liberalism is severely back-firing here and there

Yeah

I don't believe so. I unironically believe Dugin is the harbinger of our era as I perceive him to be one of few to actually attempt to move beyond modernity.

>>10301880
Review of Lottery Ticket (2010)

anyone got moldbug's books in epub/mobi? link?

>>10302085
In what ways?

>inb4 PJW's meme "weening duh colchore wor"

It is impossible to divorce liberalism from its' materialistic ontology of pure will to power that pervades every aspect of society. It even afflicts lots of the outer right, which is why they're essentially fait accompli failures

>>10302099
>actually attempt to move beyond modernity
yeah, like every post-modernist

>>10302099
Dugins mindset is pre-modern and ridiculously outdated. Its „German Sonderweg“ rebranded

>>10302113
I don't think he wrote any books but I have A Gentle Introduction to Unqualified Reservations as an ebook I made.

>>10302213
do post it if you can be bothered

>>10302256
Will do in an hour or so.

He's cool. Probably the most interesting thinker at the moment.

>>10301873

Did someone automate Nick Land shitposting? There was a thread with every field filled with Nick Land that went full of discussions yesterday.

Anyways, Land is definitely the thinker of our time, he's a much better Harbinger to Moloch than any of (((them)))

>>10301873
I'm so glad that he is a meme on /lit/ because he produces genuinely good material, and even past that covers a lot of topics that are fun and productive to discuss.

i saw a tweet yesterday that stated that 'everything is political' and there were a myriad responces that that's just marxist cancer, but Landian perspective completely agrees with it - not that 'everything is political', but rather 'political is everywhere', complete integration of all spheres of being, schizo-gestalt

>>10301880

I have a friend from the Congo and he says this is pretty much what happens any time he goes over to visit his family.

>>10302782
While Lands philosphy is certainly grounded in genuinely intellectual tradition, he often dumbs his conclusions down to /pol/tard levels.

>>10302961
>Everything right wing is automatically /pol/ meme

>>10301880
beautiful. we could all learn a few things from this. capitalism & the State is no more natural to human beings than is flying -- it has been intentionally warded off and thwarted since time immemorial through practices like this that prevent an economy from emerging in the first place. read clastres on "the society against the state" and deleuze on war machines (12th and 13th plateaus).

>>10301873
>definite

wat

>>10302961

I don't know how /pol/tard got so widespread as an adjective to anything right wing. If anything, /pol/ is in desperate spasm between hardcore fascism of the Center-Left kind and hardcore fascism of the Center-Right kind, whereas people like Land are far off to the Right, so far off that your regular "/po/tard" would actually step back slowly from him if they actually read Fanged Noumena.

>>10302961
Sure, most of the time. On the other hand, in current economy there's an overabundance of answers and a pointed lack of questions. Land's conclusions tend to be either too simplistic and /pol/-oriented or too floral and prosaic in expense of rigor and substance; yet hisproblems are good. It may be that being the r/writingprompts of philosophy is not a pretty fate, but I enjoy it.

>>10302977

That means he's clearly defined as representative of thinking about contemporary angst and amphetamine/oxytocin driven social development

>>10303002
First of all, there is a difference between ideology and esthetics, and while /pol/ has all kinds of people on political spectre their esthetics (in the broad sense, encompassing non-fundamental ethical stances) are somewhat holistic - and Land lands squarely there.
Land is running circles between his motte and bailey, though. His absolute distaste for /pol/-style alignment is esoteric in his texts, hidden between the lines, while his public persona exists within their ethical soup.
"The economics will surely become the new physics, but while it's not there, let's get angry at xenofeminists trying to subvert essentialism and megacorps LARPing as moral subjects."

>>10301915
they're also not ascetic enough to be capitalists.

>>10303076

Asceticism with regards to what? From acceleratonists to folks like Battaile, everyone claims capital currently plays the game of excess on us; surplus is everywhere you look, in materials and in values. If anything Africans fail in accumulating surplus on themselves in every conceivable way and that's how they end up washed on the shores of equal distribution (which is clearly a nightmare).

>>10303002
>>10303059
We're talking about a man who wants to use Capitalism to create an omnipotent omnipresent literal god so that it can resurrect everyone who has ever existed and will ever exist and torture them for eternity all the while mindlessly buying from and selling to itself and they're upset because he doesn't point horse make deer about the fact that niggers having average IQs lower than those of Whites. The people reeeing about racism on the 4chins (shock and horror) have gogurt where their brains should be.

>>10303145

This. Gets tiresome repeating this in every Land thread; his philosophy actually has little to do with humans in any shape or way. But I guess it only proves his own point that racism is taught as the new doctrine of the original sin.

>>10301880
muh capitalism

muh civilisation

>>10303145
My dude, reading comprehension. That's exactly the problem - transcendental play-politics with their grand ideas and all-encompassing metaphors are very different from lived-life politics of the banal. Consider a proud PoC woman who preaches the inevitable eschaton of communities segregated across gender and race lines while asking for welfare and complaining about white flight. Land is much the same: it's totally fine to say that we will once become slaves to our own systems kept only to provide it with utility that it milks from us but can't produce itself - but saying "niggers be dumb" is less abstract, more applicable, especially considering that HBD's pretenses to positivity over normativity are untrustworthy at best. Land is making a mistake of branding his philosophy as 'smart right', practical what-and-how, while in fact it's absolutely not that, more didactic fiction than anything else.

>>10303107
There needs to be a sense of frugality and self-deprivation in the present in sacrifice for the future to accumulate surplus, at which Africans tend to fail as you say.

>>10303225

I'm not that guy but Land is a huge sinophile; living in Shanghai is also very likely to skew his views on race: what you claim as "HBD's pretenses to positivity over normativity are untrustworthy at best." is a no-brainer for most Asian populations, they have no issues normatizing people just like we would do to dogs and still pulling whatever utility (in a broad sense I guess) they can out of everyone.

Note this is not a justification for his racism, I'm just saying that only the West cares about racism. There's a whole world out there (and it's becoming THE world if you go by where capital is at its peak) where people live out their lives without ever questioning this kind of stuff.

>>10301880
It's the ultimate redpill - slaughter all shitskin animals and utopia will arrive.

>>10303225
Is it even correct to consider Land a right-winger? He hates Christianity, for example, and seems to consider most of traditionalism quaint at best and harmful at worst. Sure, he's somewhat openly racist and classist, but those things don't automatically make you right-wing. It's like how fascism isn't actually a right-wing political system. It's totalitarian, sure, but I'd hardly call it right-wing.

>>10303707
He is the most progressive person in the world to be honest. I don't mean that at all in a good way.

>>10303709
That's my view on him as well. He's infernally advanced. It was Satan and the rebel angels, after all, that invented guns and gunpowder.

>>10303724
wat
no

>>10303707
Nick Land is an example of where "Right-Wing" stops being meaningful. He's an accelerationist and lumping him in with anyone who isn't also an accelerationist just because he's open about the fact that non-Whites aren't as good at thing x for reason y is idiotic. Again, see >>10303145. He's so far distant even from other people within neoreaction (which he only supports because he thinks it's the best way to get his AI god birthed into the world) that it doesn't do anything to classify him in any greater system.

>>10303160
>its not really racist
>you just don't get it

>>10303707
>He hates Christianity
Shit meme

>>10302974
I don’t understand this opinion. Isn’t capitalism simply what happens if the economy is left to its own devices?

Muhammed the Prophet became widely known as merchant before he became a politician. Jesus railed against the commercialization of the Church.

>>10303256
I also see in, as Zizek calls it, “Capitalism with Asian values”, a chance for Lands vision to come true. The mode of production in South Korea, for example, where people work up to 70 hours without questioning it, is clearly a picture of a society that has discarded humanity from its worldview altogether, abandoned it in favor of pure efficiency.

>>10301880
>>10301893
>>10302087
>>10302947
>>10303145
>>10303225
Why is "muh racism" such a profound mental block for people?

Jordan peterson x nick land when

>>10304004
Can you imagine if they were on a podcast together? God what a shitshow that would be.

>>10303985
It’s unscientific and discredits anyone who supports it as a general theory of societal development.

White supremacists love to point out how the performance of Whites, up to this day, by every metric relevant to capitalism, is better than that of, say, Mexicans.

They forget that this is due to a process which started only 500 years ago. Prior to that, Europe was seen as inferior by Arabs and even some Africans.

>>10304004
Jordan Peterdon is to Nick Land what Bill Nye is to Einstein: the plebeian misinterpretation.

>>10304012
Let's be real for a moment: no white person actually feels that much sympathy for the brown peoples. Antiracism is entirely about white people oneupping the social status of other white people, using brown people as ballast.

>>10304012
>It’s unscientific and discredits anyone who supports it as a general theory of societal development.
Which is why there are so many scientific papers discrediting "racism," right?

>>10304030
90% or so if biologists don’t see „race“ as a useful classification of genetic diversity. It’s like using terms like „choleric“ or „Chad“ in psychological diagnostics.

>>10304040
Unsourced appeals to authority isn't science, it's religious zealotry.

>>10301873
I don't read this guy but I'm just curious. He thinks that people are well on their way out of the capitalist system, yet people here speak as if he actively campaigns for it when, if my understanding is correct, that he could just sit back and let the events unfold.

>>10304021
>no true Scotsman

>>10301873
Nick Land underestimates the capability of capitalism to reform itself. Should machines ever truly replace all need for human labor, we will still have some sort of income distribution.

>>10304131
>he could just sit back and let the events unfold

That's, more or less, what he's been up to.
Calls to action and Land don't Mix.

>>10302099
>move beyond modernity
That sounds a lot like progress anon. Hmm, gee, what was that intellectual movement called again? You know, that one that values progress... ?

>>10304339
>Should machines ever truly replace all need for human labor, we will still have some sort of income distribution.
No, at that point humans become obsolete and just a burden on the system. Why would the machines or the elite bother with billions of completely, totally, 100% useless humans? This is not some dystopian speculation but the obvious and inevitable future of automation and technological progress.

>>10302128
Why do you fluff up your language in Phil `101 nomenclature when saying something really simple?

>>10304877
There are many checks and balances that keep the wealthiest and most powerful at bay — in the West, at least.

With the notable exception of the USA, each high-income Western country has a universal welfare net at this point. This will simply be extended, to compensate those displaced by automation.

In fact, some sort of welfare for those displaced by slave labor existed as early as in Ancient Greece.

/pol/ here, I have a jpg for situations like these

>>10304918
>There are many checks and balances that keep the wealthiest and most powerful at bay
Do you actually believe this? The wealthiest and most powerful are in total control and give us political shows to distract us. It has been this way for two thousand years.
>each high-income Western country has a universal welfare net
Yes, and those countries have sub replacement fertility. Humans in high-income Western country (countries where humans are becoming obsolete) are all starting the trend towards extinction. Liberalism is the tool for this task.
Humanity simply becomes a burden in an industrial society. Technological progress means human obsolescence. It is the very essence of industrial society, not some deep philosophical analysis.

>>10304012

>unscientific

lmao

>>10304012
Fuck off. White people have been responsible for all of humanity's technological advances since the very beginning. All that shitskins would ever do it just leech on it like the worthless animals they are.

>>10303818

I'd say I'm not really claiming it not to be racist, I'm just saying that racism is a non-issue outside of the West (which is the context where we should look at his philosophy, he lives in Shanghai after all).

>>10305123
Thank goodness white people (or people in general) won't claim the honors and bear the burdens of technological progress in the future

Nick Land is the leading theorist of newly rising ideologies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8hbN_WOicY

>>10301873
read him and find out

>>10304012
The Arabs (and later, the Turks) had a monopoly on trade from the Far East. It was pure geographical luck.

The moment Europeans discovered that you could sail around the Cape of Good Hope their good fortune vanished.

Plus, what we call "Islamic Civilization" was really Persian Civilization, because the Arabs were illiterate desert savages who had no real culture of their own. The Romans did not even consider Arabia to be worth the effort of conquering.

>>10304004
Peterson is a POS fraud who is too pussy footed not to go full on traditionalist but rather just milk money from youth by whining about how oppressed he is.

Land has some character and honor, at least.

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>>10305952
> The Arabs (and later, the Turks) had a monopoly on trade from the Far East. It was pure geographical luck.

> Everything I don't like is luck.

> Plus, what we call "Islamic Civilization" was really Persian Civilization, because the Arabs were illiterate desert savages who had no real culture of their own. The Romans did not even consider Arabia to be worth the effort of conquering.

Yes because Muslim Spain, North Africa, and greater middle east did not exist.


Why are Whites so obsessed with calling their civilization number one? Why does this metric even matter, to be honest? If an African Muslim lived a good life in a "lesser" civilization back then and raised a family, he is 100x more successful than a white incel growing up in the 21st century.

>>10306021
Because you are just being disingenuous if you say the Islamic Golden Age was anything other than them conquering pre-established civilized societies and exploiting their knowledge to build upon that.

>>10304960
What will civilisation do without humans?

>>10306377
Whose numbers are you using again? The glorious white masterrace couldn’t even express mathematics properly. And the Renaissance was essentially re-discovery of Ancient Greece trough the Arabs.

>>10306481
I don't know, but you're in the nick land thread.

>>10301873
My problem with him is that he panders to the alt-right.

Clearly, any philosopher is able to expose political correctness for the vapid and childish trend it is. But why focus on it in the first place? He doesn’t argue against vaccine enemies or Jewish conspiracists either, he simply pre-supposes them to be retarded.

>>10302435
if by thinker you mean "non scientist that has something interesting to say" and by most you mean "only" then yes

>>10306508
he can see that genetics is the essence of man and cognition. he panders to the alt right because they are the only politicical force that isnt aiming at the suicide of one o the only 2 races capable of: building computers, bulding plumbing, performing arithmetic

No, as he has not resolved the fundamental questions of philosophy and instead has taken a vacation into sci fi adventurism that enlightens no one.

All philosophy related to Lands takes place in some other reality.

>>10306377
You are an idiot if you don't learn from the past. It's like trying to advance Mathematics by not reading a single text book or being taught by a teacher. Do yo think people pull shit like the Lebesgue measure out of their ass?

>>10306610
Yes because Persians, Arabs, and Indians don't perform computer science research?

>>10306624
nah, you're a fag.

no one cares about your retarded dualist artificial dichotomies

the process of instrumentalising cognition is THE only thing orthy of discussion today

bureaucracies automate by checklist. it is a disaster and ends by killing people and destroying countries

automating decision processes such that human interests are removed from the chain of command is the VERY process of capital itself, is the VERY act of cognition itself: a self reproductive efficiency scheme

I'd bet anything you don't understand bureaucratic organisation. people have been trying to figure out the tings land is saying for 200 years, starting ith the dutch.

the thing is, people associated ith land say nigger a lot, so they have to shoot themselves in the foot... proving land's thesis: capital is the removal of human interest from cognition

>>10306662
Liar!
Nick Land told me that he would promise me a pure fertile aryan wife.

>>10306643
no. and they didn't invent "arab" numbers either (ot even the indians)

indians also didn't invent buddhism (thats nepa)

indians also didn't compose the vedas (the vedas literally are about blonde people, their land destroyed by ice, move south and kill black skinned demons that they are forbidden to marry)

in fact the indians preserved the vedas on leaves strung through on string. their brittleness caused them to break faster than could be recomposed, so the vedas lost most of their information over time

you literally havent read anything substantial if you think their civs are in any manner comparable to europe or china

No wonder he lives in Shanghai. The city which, perhaps, illustrates late capitalism without values most precisely (after Seoul, perhaps)

>>10306712
hk probably encapulates capitalism the best. shanghai is run by state cartels, seoul is intermediate. sg is an ethno state

I like to think that Land is someone who was able to shift the knowledge that French and German philosophers/theorists of the XX Century from a Marxist interpretation, that in my opinion will always hold a moral view about society in the back of it all, to a more "cruel" or "amoral" one. If you follow through critical theory (Adorno, Habermas, Marcuse, etc...) into French philosophers (Foucault, Baudrillard, Deleuze and Guattari, etc...) I believe that you can see how there are many critiques of how instrumentalized life has become or the subversive ways Capitalism works. Land's takes some of it, particularly the works of Deleuze have a relation with Land's, but I haven't read him and can barely understand the concept of the Rhizome. Also Baudrillard's concept of hyperrealism can be interesting.

Well, the thing is, he agrees with some of the preoccupations that XX thinkers had, but he likes Capitalism being the amoral, destructive and efficient system it is.

Can someone dumb down the relation between Deleuze and Land for me?

>>10306729
sg is singapour I suppose?

>>10306508
Land only likes right wing politics, because they counter left wing politics, which he hates. But, really, he despises politics in general. "In a good country, politics would be forbidden, in a perfect country, politics would not be possible"

>>10306679
Man we are reaching we wuzzing levels that are not possible. So I guess the AKS algorithm was invented by a white man?

>>10304004
Slavoy Zizek discusses with Nick Land. That I'd like to see.

>>10306799
the primary influence is via their conceptions of calculation/cognition

big D says identity/calculation is the inherent ability to measure a diference i nthe environment, then to correct for it to restore balance or to amp up a positive feedback loop

cells can do this. but precellular components can also do this, e.g. cell membranes or prions thar arrange ionically

land says that the component basis of calculation is, therefore, anti-entropic, on the basis that higher forces (perhaps uantum, perhaps higher dimensional) manifest themselves in the form of linear or fractal alignment in matter. this force is thinking itself

by the time you get to capital, the process of linearisation and thinking manifests at the machinic/ideological/bureuacratic level, abandoning cellular/human components because they introduce points of entropy. aligning processes. the only competing process is a drive that essentially causes the death/inefficiency of the higher process e.g. liberalism, bureaucratic sclerosis, prioritising comfort over pragmatism

>>10306829
oh gee, you found a single algo made by an indian. I guess they're all geniuses and their entire history is glorious and totally btfos those stupid europeans. checkmate science

>>10306841
What about Ramujan?
What about Manjul Bhargava?

I can name a lot more, but since you are an idiot who think civs advanced science in utter vacuums then there is not much to say.

>>10306843
you advanced the idea that europe had been unilaterally behind india/arabia for all of history. this is false. they had been ahead of EVERYONE but china from the very moment it had been settled by modern euros from the steppes

name dropping modern indians doesnt change that, idiot.

you made a stupid fucking argument based on hyperbole. fuck off to hyderabad and beat your child bride

>>10306860
> you advanced the idea that europe had been unilaterally behind india/arabia for all of history. this is false. they had been ahead of EVERYONE but china from the very moment it had been settled by modern euros from the steppes

I never said that, and who ever said that is a retarded we wuzzer, much like you.

> you made a stupid fucking argument based on hyperbole. fuck off to hyderabad and beat your child bride

My argument is based on hyperbole? Nigga please check yourself before your wreck yourself. I'm not even a street shitter, so please neck yourself. However, I'm also not an idiot.

>>10306868
you sound irate, friend!
infuriated by the superiority of western civilization?

>>10306868
everything I said is perfectly documented

modern numerals came from the hindu kush, modern day pakistan, a greek colony

they didn't invent buddhism. nepal did

I never claimed some indians arent smart. but pointing out that they falsely claim the inventions of people not in their country is just fucking fact

so go kill yourself

I read bits of Dark Enlightenment but it seemed mostly memey. Where does he talk about self-sufficiency of capitalism? Where does he offer his accelerationist argument?

>>10306891
Why would I be infuriated at my own civilization?

>>10306893
Maybe you are right, but why do you hate Indians so much? Your insult was pretty specific.

>>10306899
you keep claiming that races other than euros and chinese are as capable, you keep mentioning the contributions of specific groups (arabs have none, so I didn't address it)

the things you seem to think indians contributed before 50 years ago are all false. you see to be poorly educated on the history of the region and maybe brainashed.

maybe you are in compsci and have a limited understanding

euro inventions are 100% independent of contribution from indians. you keep trying to shoehorn them in out of some political agenda

you'd get laughed out of any history dept.

>>10306911
Why should I take your opinion over their opinion? All you are doing is pushing a very heavy handed view that western civilization is superior and the rest of the civilizations besides maybe the Chinese are not to be considered. You can't just say this shit and then tell me the reason why its true is because if I go to some history dept people will start laughing at me? Which I don't even know is true in the first place. My training is in Mathematics, so I know a lot of Indian professors and grad students who have contributed a lot to various fields such as Combinatorics, Number Theory, and Algebraic Geometry. It seems pretty absurd to me, personally. To assert that Indians are not capable enough to build a civilization and are always inferior to western civilization just because I have seen Indians produce many beautiful works of Mathematics, and due to that I don't see anything wrong with the Indian diaspora since they can produce fine Mathematicians like Bhargava.
Your view just reeks of we wuzzing, and to be honest we wuzzers are people who have to ride the accomplishments of their race(Is there even such a thing as a unified white race?) in order to feel good about themselves, which is pretty sad.

>>10306839
Gotcha
is Deleuze worth reading or should I jump from Baudrillard to Land?
I personally feel intrigued about understanding what a Body without Organs is, but I don't want to read through someone that feels so obscure (at least more than your average philosopher).

Land vastly overrates the self-sustainability of capitalism at this point. He seems to believe we're further along than we are.

If the nations of the world, tomorrow, decided, "Okay, that's enough capitalism," and placed a warrant of death on every banker, stock broker, money trader, and financier on Earth, capitalism would crumble to a halt. It would die in the mass graves we dug to house the bodies of its servant classes. We're automated to a certain extent, but not enough, not yet. And there's no guarantee we'll get to the point Lang predicts. The future is still in motion.

>>10306947
I believe the arguments goes as this:
If machines get to the point of having near human or bigger levels of intelligence, they would notice how non-sustainable and how harmful we are to the world that we share, therefore elimination of the human species is the most reasonable choice. Maybe it can add a little of torture in the mix.

That's a thing way into the future, but right now Capitalism and Capitalists wants to keep funding technology and AI research, because it makes everything more efficient and lowers the costs, so it seems like a likely possibility.
The people that control states and governments can control the decisions of the nations of the world, so it's no guarantee that your scenario would happen.

Capitalism won, you might not like it but this is what peak performance looks like but that's how it is for the most part. All relevant countries in the world pretty much agree on the fact that free markets are the way to go, and that big corporations are something they just have to deal with because corruption runs so deep into the hierarchy of governments.

>>10306969
Yeah but it wouldn't take much for a wave of destruction to sweep the globe. Humans are susceptible to fits of hysteria, after all. We're prone to be swept up in waves of delusion. You'd just need one itinerant preacher with the right people listening to him to bring it all down.

>>10306978
Of course the world is dancing towards a big war or that an anti-system leader shows up in a country that makes shit go down, but that isn't going to change the system itself.
In the end, we will more towards some sort of capitalism because there's nothing we can do to make people give up all the commodities that it gives, unless a global EMP happens and we go back to the XIX Century, things are going to accelerate. Hell, you tell me if there's something we can do.

>>10306936
individual people of high merit is not a civ. period.

indians have 4k years of history and in that time barely managed more than irrigation. the chinese had contact ith the greeks to buy horses and completely skipped over all of india en route for 2k years

europeans and chinese traded en masse from the year 500 or so till industrialisation and neither EVER thought of a single reason to save time trading directly ith indians. think of the reason they might choose to do that, please. the only goods to come out of india are spices, but even then they found it better to trade ith people from java

if you actually had an interest in learning about india you'd have figured out a couple of things

the modern indian state is an unholy abortion that manufactures a fake history and identity for people that inherently hate each other. it invents history about indian origins to force people that desire independence or, alternatively, genocide, together

try and guess the result of telling marginaly more peaceful people to accept people aiming at genocide as "totally nice people that have eual legal rights as you, dude, dont ever say a bad thing about them, dude, thats totally uncool dude"

this has been india for 4k years, roughly. vegetarianism emerged because of the need to field larger armies but the incapability of improving agricultural discipline

amplify the scale of this times 20 and you get modern india. unable to establish (historically) basic rule of legal code, safe fucking streets, inability to abolish incest (endemic in all classes, inability to ablish clan genocide, inability to form basic state statistics, inability to collect tribute or revenue from mid level officials, inability to punish murder, inability to fucking maintain fucking paper, inability to establish literacy in the ruling class

does this strike you as a civ? it isnt.

please educate yourself. pulling your head out of your rear regarding genetics could be a start

>>10306937
I'd say go straight to land. the poststructuralists are retarded and land "repented" from their school, more or less

>>10306947
he doesnt think it is invulnerable. he thinks that if there is no capitalism, all humanity dies. looking at communism, this is probably true. he thinks suicide is still likely, he just doesnt hope for it

>>10307007
what's the best introductory book from Land on your opinion?

>>10306969
that isnt the argument even remotely

capital itself is the removal of human bias from production incentives, and to the etent that humanity has advanced, it has done so by becoming less human. europeans and east asians lack strong emotion in almost direct proportion to intellectual and capital ability, and individuals of other races of similar capability are such precisely because they are unlike others of their race

capitalism is the capacity of decideability itself, and decideability is universal. capital is going to kill humans because humans are going to kill the most productive humans as a matter of jealousy (the left) eventually causing the de-evolution of man into animal, and in order for humans themselves to become less animal they have to kill the most human of humans

killing is inescapable. the only vectors are calculation capacity augmentation (long term) or short term incentives such as socialism, islam, or happiness

>>10307022
horrorism/monkey (themed) is a series of short essays

fanged noumena has many thing in it that are a good intro

his neoreaction stuff is collected in pdf or mobi, and is more practical

>>10303947

Markets existed far before capitalism.

>>10306021

It's the same reason Americans are obsessed with being the best. If you're currently living the best of all alternatives, then all the self-imposed bullshit you put up with is a necessary consequence of that greatness, and is definitely the least amount of bullshit that one needs to put up with, because everyone else has it /so much worse/.

Stockholm syndrome at it's finest.

>>10306610

he panders to the alt-right because they are the hurt techno-ego at the center of the geographic/political/cultural/genetic container for the latest flourishings of entropy-reducing, self-organizing processes.

Somehow he thinks that this whole process will rescue us from sufferings originating from the 7th chakra.

>>10307165
If we follow Nick Land's whole memo, then that means white people and Asian people really did really drop the ball for everyone.

>>10307000
Well you may not like it, but "something we can do" is return to a devoted religious sensibility.

Land seems paranoid about certain strains of Christianity being inherently "communistic." And he's right to feel that way. Committed Christians are extremely anti-capitalist because of they've escaped the paradigm of individualism and self-action that capitalism thrives in. They're communally focused, on the one hand, with their fellow Church members. And on the other hand, they're transcendentally focused, eschewing gains in this life for the promise of the life to come. Christianity is the anti-Capital. Christ stands opposed to Gnon.

>>10306839
> quantum
> higher dimensions

You only really need statistical mechanics.

https://sfi-edu.s3.amazonaws.com/sfi-edu/production/uploads/sfi-com/dev/uploads/filer/43/7a/437a1774-ec12-446e-ba17-5a01341bba3a/06-08-029.pdf

>>10307189

Or that techno-rationalism dropped the ball.

>>10307197
I pray to my understanding of God 3-4 times a day
I believe in some sort metaphysics and that we are all connected to a higher being, specially the notion that this is some sort of "hell" that we need to go through so we can learn
I also hold very esoteric ideas regarding what we are as individuals and how we develop

I'm personally against a world dominated by some AI for moral reasons, but the thing is that I was born too late to oppose it meaningfully. The world will follow it's flow and at some point we are going to be doomed. We don't fit the rationale of beings that can do everything better than us and with less room for error.

The issue is not with me, it's with society, I'm certain that there's not much we can do to change the world from fucking itself up, and even then humanity probably deserves it, we are way too flawed to deserve any better. People like this Capitalistic Utopia for the most part, some groups complain because it's in our nature and it's mostly harmless (you can't say that SJW or "socially conscious" bourgeois in the west are dangerous), even Terrorism has been vastly overblown to manipulate our fears, when most westerners are safe. In the end no one really complains about the fact that most of our needs are covered in a cheap and easy way, even people living in 3rd world countries are kinda ok with the world we have. The machine keeps going and is stepping on everyone's shoulders, but we don't know something better than this, so better get used to it. Marxists theories of society simply aren't going to work on the same level of efficiency than Capitalism, they lost, and unless we discover a better system we done fucked up.

I just want to live in a small town and raise some kids with a loving wife, nothing more, there's no going back.

>>10307270
You should read schuon if you haven't

>>10307270

>>10307270
But if you really had the sort of religious faith I describe, the kind of faith that could truly oppose Land's vision, you'd have a corresponding lack of fear, because you'd believe in victory regardless of the seeming bleakness of the odds. As Benedict XVI likes to say, God wins in the end.

>>10307143
But what’s the fundamental difference between Capitalism and free markets?

>>10307338

Whether there is a difference (certainly there are /leftypol/ types that argue there isn't), Land and Ccru are fairly clear on this in their essays that capital is an anti-market tied to the state. The difference between the two is competition. Capital flees competition, while markets don't.

From a Ccru essay:

>Capitalism proper belongs to the politically privileged upper and core zone of an overall system, establishing a monopolistic / oligopolistic superstratum upon the diffused and selectively exploited substratum of market activity. The popularity, spontaneous innovation, and relative disorder of markets makes them inconsistent with the geostrategic economic initiatives and industrial planning favored by the state (functions that are entrusted to politically well-connected large-scale businesses). Under the conditions of organized capitalism 'the market' is associated primarily with the meta-commerce of stock-trading, whilst 'marketing' is reduced to a specialized sub-function of large-scale business activity.

>Braudel's thesis helps to explain why bourgeois sentiment is so reliably and instinctively anti-market, despite widespread pronouncements to the contrary. The more 'developed' a society becomes the less comfortable it is with market environments. When compared to uncluttered boulevards and shops - especially exclusive ones - markets are not very 'nice.' Bourgeois ('civil' or 'polite') society is unanimous in condemning the dirt, noise, and disorder of concrete markets, even when it espouses a measure of confidence in abstract market principles. The state is encouraged to adopt wide-ranging responsibility for protecting 'the public' from markets, using the tools of regulation, policing, and urban planning, which are enforced in the name of safety and hygiene.

>The distinction between the public and the private is a segmentation internal to capitalism. It is produced as a function of the long-term strategic reduction of commerce to 'the private sector,' complementing a 'public sector' designed to manage the population: privatization of markets combined with the promotion of a public sphere that communicates the agency of the state. The ideal of rigid public/private differentiation plays a particularly significant role in antimarket polemics because it conforms to the basic polarity of bourgeois aspiration: private wealth and public order. This desire for clean and orderly public spaces free of commercial activity is complemented by the endogeneous anticommercialism of large-scale capital, which subordinates the culture and space of commercial activity to concentrational private interest.

>>10307281
The cure to Nick Land is religion basically. We are in the age of kali yuga, it must get worse before it gets better in a cyclic manner. Land is a demon anyway, he self confessed to being possessed by multiple entities that "rape" his mind.

>>10307213
there isnt a conventional mechanical account (rules based) that accounts for decision bases, essentially calculation (telos based)

the goal of telos is an end state of high potential entropy, but lo current entropy. mechanical rules make lo current entropy inevitable. recombination makes high potential entropy likely, eventually, but doesnt account for the origin of calculation at a mechanical level

calculation is an energy state that likely comes from information in aveforms, becoming mechanical only upon collapse. the pattern itself is telos (becoming) of the inevitable state.

high energy states arrive at anti-entropic states via aveform calculation. the mechanics of said processes are not understood, but to say atomic mechanics "defines" subatomic mechanics is silly

mechanical states are lo energy. aveform states are high energy, the form itself a creation of high energy information echange. calculation takes place in the space that aveforms seem to interfere during mechanical arrangement of entropy to reverse the process, and can only enter into physical space in high information states

>>10307281
cure to land?

you misunderstand

life evolves mechanically either in the direction of more or less intelligence. there is no middle ground

if you reject high intelligence coming out ahead evolutionarily, you are promoting other traits. those traits are loered intelligence, greed, dishonesty.

the church nurtured humanity, coming ever closer to science every year, until the current era. science is a different instrumental process directly in conflict ith religion. science promotes intelligence. religion promotes people that believe in morality, but also lies, and tot he evolutionary detriment of higher intelligence individuals

to promote religion currently, you necessarily destroy science, and need to suppress high intelligence geneics

you arent going to save humanity. you are going to turn christianity into islam

and look. to save itself the catholic and protestant churches are... inviting islam into europe

>>10307477
addendum, intelligence outcompetes nonintelligence in all scenarios that arent complete genocide. this is the basis for the conflict.

even in internecine violence intelligence builds guns. unintelligent people can only benefit in the long term if they systematically kill the intelligent (islamic model)

>>10307477
Continue on Land, your lower material rhetoric is cliche and done out. Once an Anglo, always an analytic. Science promotes intelligence? Heh, I guess reddit must be the most intelligent place on the internet. Science and progress are false Gods, you can keep worshiping capital but capital is simply a lesser demon taking its time with the world.


>>10307490
This is where you land boys fail to see the point, you are so eschewed by modernity and progress that you have began worshiping it. Go OD on some uppers, perhaps it will do well with degenerates like yourself.

>>10307490

>>10307498
science has been corrupted

the first step of the process is that the smartest people had not been systematicaly promoted

science today is a false idol, you are correct

but the dynamic still remains.

think about the selection mechanism for success under malthusian conditions

"science" promoted shoddy selection, and is ruled by emotions. it rejects fucking GENETIC fucking science

>>10307498
no. tell me one fucking trait that outcompetes processing capacity

creativity? creativity is the product of freedom of association.

kindness? kindness is getting us killed by foreigners

the dynamic remains. evolution never stops.

say you get your perfect society. tell me the group that leaves the most children, you can choose. tell me hat you DO to get that result, and tell me the aftereffects

>>10307515
Creativity is not related to processing capacity, The fact that we can't prove P = NP points to this. We have a lot of NP compete problems, but can't find a single polynomial time algorithm for any of them.

Creativity out competes processing capacity. Just ask my man Grothendieck. :)

>>10304140
> no true Anti White Supremacy Ally (please like and subscribe)

>>10307477
>but also lies

lol, the atheist's delusion. It's quaint that behind all the rhetoric the atheist's basic argument is still "But it's OBVIOUSLY not real."

>>10307534
creativty is a product of freedom of association

grothendieck (dutch) benefitted from the freedom given to northern europeans because fundamentally learning is a stochastic process (not deductive)

BUT people like him can only arrive at these solutions by running a sufficiently high number of processes to figure out associations. that needs processing capacity

there is a reason almost everything comes from dutch, eastern english, and scots people

they are the only people that have freedom of association

good luck in basic fucing things like finding anything more complicated than a t score if you don't have processing capacity. simple regressions used to take months

computers cannot direct stochastic processes yet, they are guided. but the process of guiding them comes to variation, NOT some abstract mental capacity independent of processing capacity

up your game man, or go tutor some undergrads. this is child's play

>>10307544
even if you assume the truth of christs divinity, the bureauratic process of a church NOT under malthusian pressure is to promote free riding liars

this is basic evolutionary game theory

>>10307556
Grothendieck was Jewish? If I understand you correctly, you are saying that computers could be guided to an approximate "answer" much like a probabilistic Turing machine and you can some how simulate creativity like this?

>>10307556
>Monte Carlo Puturbation creativity
kys my man

>>10307574
>Monte Carlo Puturbation creativity
Interesting? I'm not too much into ML and creativity stuff. Could you explain why this is a bad idea?

>>10307570
no. individual researchers have enough innate understanding of a process to intuit a solution, that intuition comes from processing capacity

they then need to augment that processing via computers to yield proofs

creativity derives from having the processing ability to try EVERY possible combination, or, guide that ability to the most reasonable ones as intuited by people that have fast processing capacity

after you try EVERYTHING, you eventually hit on the solution. that means creativity is stochastic trial and error. there is no hidden neurological capacity for it.

>>10307498
>Continue on Land, your lower material rhetoric is cliche and done out. Once an Anglo, always an analytic.

>mechanical talk is analytic

kys pseud

>>10307574
literally ho our brains construct models my man

deductive and inductive models, as they function in our brains, are the result of this style of programming, my man

>>10307597
Is that you Land? Who let you out of your twitter cage, I'll call your Jewish Wife. " Please come get this deranged maniac and give him some happy pills so he can get back to shit posting on twitter".

>>10307566
If you assume the truth of Christ's divinity then nothing about the "normal" operation of the world should be assumed or taken as a given, since it's a fact that another way is possible.

>>10305123
Europeans came up with the wheel, gunpowder, compasses, domestication...? Actually read for once. Why peepo did boom in technology around the time of the printing press, but they were relatively the same as the Mughals, Ottomans, Ming dynasty, etc. before that...

>>10307606
not he.

but if you think brains operate on space magic beaming "correct" thoughts into your brain ithout a method of calculation, you are very nearly retarded

this parody acct has some tastefully amusing content though
https://twitter.com/realNickLand/status/932751653278695424
>You can keep killing trans women, but you're only ensuring that the strongest and smartest survive to gain more power and then redistribute their power through trans networks of mutual aid
kek

>>10307632
not true though

the mughals and ottomans had only been capable of implementing (to less than parity) the things that spread via diffusion

tin trade traveled thousands of miles uninterrupted in PRE brone age europe.

at the HEIGHT of mughal nd ottoman control, trade caravans couldn't go more than 50 miles inland unless they liked being raided and murdered

their trade took place only at specific ports and needed full militaries to police

they never invented anything either

huge fucking difference. monkey in a suit typology

>>10307639

>parody account
>not at all imitative of land's style or thought
>not at all funny

wow, wicked and nihilistic bro, going to link to a dril parody next?

>>10307658
okay you care to actually account for the brain if you discount stochastity or are you just here to be dumb?

>>10307658

lmao, the u/acc crowd on twitter is fucking terrible, it's chapo bugmen combined with more irony, nihilism and despair as well as hot takes from their shit interpretations of d&g that they learned in their film theory classes

>>10307581
Combinatorial explosion

>>10307691
our brain operates at a very lo bit rate and has little in objects in orking memory for the sheer activity going on

permutation contructs basic heuristics capable of roughly handlng variegated data sets through pruning and selective amplification.

those heuristics then go on to selectively run permutations of possible events.

no one is suggesting the brain computes sudoku combinations randomly

rather learning of novel tasks or frontier knoledge is handled by aggredating data from randomness.

a babies shrieks, and randomly hitting things eventually become programmed by calibration of large data sets

you might be a math guy but you're certainly not into neurology

>>10307685
as opposed to...?

>>10307691
Yes! This is exactly what I was trying to tell him here,

>>10307534

We can't just brute force everything.

>>10307725
you're not making sense

neurological computational capacity is the ONLY thing that drives progress

there is not some invisible type of neuron that magically beams creativity into your head

you need to be intelligent enough to see the novel disovery

the act of seeing it, itself is because he is sufficiently intelligent

there is a pure continuum of mental ability ranging from being unable to tie one's shoes up to people like feynmann or von neumann. there is nothing mystical about it

someone that struggles at algebra is NOT going to be able to "creatively" discover anything.

brute force cognition is the act of vision itself

>>10304012

>unscientific
>a series of in-depth studies that tries to get a clear picture on racial differences gets turned down as racist and would never receive funding

>white millennials will immediately throw out the whole house with the bathwater as soon as there's even an iota of racism to be spotted
>have an extremely luddite approach to technological development
>don't see a problem with demographic displacement by jacked up proto-modern islam that constantly undermines and outright attacks their society

Holy shit, you're really handing over the future to the yellow man, aren't you all?

>>10307789
Baizao deserve everything that is coming to them desu

>>10307927
Day of the rice is coming for you chang.

>>10307789
As long as the Chinese Christianize (and they fucking will) they can rule the world. Just got to keep Christendom going. Them and the Africans can do it.

>>10305880
Such a bad name choice
Guess language changes

>>10307789
>millenials are responsible for this situation they grew up in and are in power right now.
Progress happens one funeral at a time

He has all the right factors to become a bigger cult figure as he is now.

>>10308072
I feel like if he just hadn't dropped acid and bugged out he would have it all together and be a Peterson-tier meme cult leader.

>>10308085
Cult leaders come and go
Cult figures last
I read Nietzsche's books didn't sell in his day, well look at him now

>>10307544
It's truth claims are naturally laughable, that's not where the value / usefulness of religion derives from.

>>10308031
The Mexicans and African Americand in the USA are all devoted Christians, how did this help them?

>>10306679

Which vedas have these parts? I want to read

>>10308090
>naturally laughable

See, this is what I'm talking about. There you go. You just begin the argument by assuming it can't be real, rather than bothering to seriously put the matter in doubt.

Also, the value and usefulness of Christianity lies in making us aware of both the glory and the mercy of God. The truth of Christianity is absolutely the core of its appeal, because it teaches us how to live in this life and how to prepare for the next one. The whole point of belonging to a religion with revealed truth is the discovery of that truth.

>>10307759
> there is a pure continuum of mental ability ranging from being unable to tie one's shoes up to people like feynmann or von neumann. there is nothing mystical about it

It's very interesting because if you spent some time in Mathematics, then you would realize there are many different types of Mathematicians. Von Neumann had tremendous processing capacity, but he could never make a real ground breaking discovery. Compare this to Grothendieck who was a very "slow" mathematician but made fundamental discoveries in Algebra, to the point that he spawned new fields of Mathematics.

http://lesswrong.com/lw/lpf/the_truth_about_mathematical_ability/

>Hypervirus

What the fuck is this shit. I thought he was talking about memes, but I have no idea what he's talking about here

>>10306021
>Why are Whites so obsessed with calling their civilization number one? Why does this metric even matter, to be honest?

Well you started this argument by calling us inferior, so it obviously matters to you. Why the volte-face?

>>10310303
What is the context? The idea of memes as viruses shouldn't be novel to someone using 4chan.

>>10301873
end battle will be the xenobots vs the viking luddites

>>10310355
>Led by the White Man's Burden, white people set off on a missionary quest to bring civilization and Christianity to the savages and inferior races, but they found themselves caught by Thucydides's trap with a reawakened ancient oriental civilization now armed with modern nuclear weapons and powered by a billion-men slave army.

naturally. as god intended. in accordance to the legal prescriptions of the nature and its authority (the order of things), and so on

>>10310414
Here's a sample from "Hypervirus" in Fanged Noumena

Whatever ultramodernity places under the dominion
of signs postmodernity subverts with virus. As culture
migrates into partial-machines (lacking an autonomous
reproductive system) semiotics subsides into virotechnics .
0010101011011100101101010101001100100010001010
1011101000010101100101001010001100100111001000100
000000010011111100010010010101010100001000010101
00111111001001000100011010010001010010101111000101
001000010001110100 Yes No Yes No Yes Yes No longer
what does it mean? but how does it spread?

>>10303985
Because your in group is someone else's out group and we have enough common sense to be careful to maintain respectful relationships between groups so pleasantry can go both ways. If you walked into a pub and starting saying that you reckon a certain group in there was a piece of shit and you were going to try to prove it, people would either laugh at you or try to stop you to maintain the piece. Either way, people would recognise it as stupidly antagonistic.

>>10310483
if this is the case then maybe people forcing themselves into our countries, then committing grisly murders here, shouldn't be complaining about us, calling us racist and demanding FURTHER concessions from us after they behead people or rip their heart out?

fuck you. you'll die alongside them

the only antagonists are apologists for murder (thats you and lesser races)

>>10310505
Sorry bud, you don't get to just take my points about in group out group relations and transform it into "wow you support murder". That's beyond retarded. But go ahead, imagine yourself having any kind of power and killing me, if it makes you feel better. No better than the twisted imaginings of a terrorist, if you ask me.

>>10305880
cringe video

I highly respect his CCRU-era works, but after his breakdown I can't enjoy his writing. Is there any authors similar to that (excluding obvious choices like Mark Fisher and the like)?

>>10310483
the chinese and japanese are doing just fine with their racism. What you are doing is looking for your own safety by exerting political correctness on white people this will not go for long.

>>10310663
1. reza negarestani
2. Ray brassier

>>10310666
who are those people?
Im just saying if you go back to your own country that would be great

>>10310677
i replied wrong, meant the post above you

>>10310663
>the chinese and japanese are doing just fine with their racism
Kek, their societies are repressive hell holes riddled with suicide. Go live there if you like it so much you fucking traitor. Yes, you're right I am trying to look out for my own safety by maintaining respectful relations, and I'm white BTW.

>>10310597
their group systematically supports gangsters, rapists and murderers. there is a reason people hate them.

you do support murderers and they are rallying to kill trump voters

>>10310729
We were talking about racism in general, not a specific group you tunnel blind fuckwit. But whoever you think They are most likely hate you too. So it goes both ways, now you could keep upping the anti on both sides like petulant toddlers if you want everyone to kill each other, or you could grow the fuck up and approach the situation with more emotional maturity than a monkey.

>>10310729
>they are rallying to kill trump voters
nothing wrong with that tbqh

>>10310741
I am a toddler for demanding safe streets as a primary political demand, and i am a toddler for demanding immigrants stop supporting crime or gfto?

yeah, okay buddy. have fun in the ovens. this is why normal people are converting to nazism

>>10310779
You're threatening to gas people in ovens because your streets aren't safe enough. If you can't see the insanity in that contradiction then yes, you are worse than a fucking toddler. You could advocate for prosocial behaviors and laws but no, instead you advocate for immigration policies and racial profiling. Everyone is killing each other out there man, I'd hate to live in a black ghetto and I'd sure as shit hate to live in a white trailer park. You come across as fucking sheltered and ignorant.

>>10310724

I'm not that guy but, this is exactly what Land (I assume) is talking about. Asian countries fare better in a capitalist system precisely because they are built-in for dehumanization and deterritorialization. The Chinese don't care for their own safety the same way we do (though they do care, of course), and respectful relationships to them, necessarily imply segregation, NOT equity. It would actually be "looking out for yourself" if you went there as a doctor and looked down on people with less wealth and power, likewise not getting in the way of people socially better than you would also get you by somewhat.

It might seem to you like promoting equity and political correctness is enough to mask dehumanization but it actually promotes the same thing anyway, look no further than any American college campus to see people that are so out of touch with each other that any attrition (which is a necessary condition for being "in touch", literally and figuratively) is labeled as "micro" aggression/assault/insult. The West's attempt to bring everyone to the same conditions is working, but it was never carefully planned that this level is not one where there can be no humanity.

Society sucks wherever you look, in spite of individual life conditions being better than any other time in our history. Things are going so well for the deterritorialized individual, in fact, that losing one's humanity and alienating oneself from true conflict and true social attrition seems like a small price to pay at the moment. There has to be a critical point though, where capital actually has to assimilate consumption into itself as well and finally throw the alienated and dehumanized little people into the trash can. Whether or not we are close to that point is not as relevant as realizing that we are accelerating the pace of getting there.

When looking at things from the point of view of capital itself, racism is a by-product, and regardless of how a society deals with it (by embracing it, like Chinese, or extremely refuting it, like most of the West), it will still remain there, and will still help propel dehumanization and deterritorialization forward. Lose-lose for people, win-win for one emergent phenomena blind idiot machine god boi

>>10310779
>there's too much violence in the community! We need to send out more death threats, that'll solve things.
Read more, cunt.

>>10310802
Yeah yeah, that's all well and good, but it's abstract to the point of meaninglessness. That's my problem with Lands perspectives, they seem nice and interesting whole your holed out in a cave doing drugs in isolation, but they hardly apply when you're face to face with another of gods complex creatures trying to kiss you or kill you.

>>10310663
It works in Japan because of homogeneity and their superiority complex. It also got them nuked, and ruined the lives of millions (Japanese, other asians, and westerners) from the fin de siecle onwards.
It isn't working in China. They are suppressing ethnic separatism all over the place. It's almost like if everyone (Han, Manchu, Uighur, Mongol, Koreans, and other Chinese ethnicities) relaxed the grip on their ethnic identities there'd be some peace.

>>10310802
a goddamn official psuedo-sinologist here, step back guys.

>>10310794
>killing murderers and their supporters is bad
>letting hundreds of thousands and rntire cities die
got it, buddy

>>10310724
I've never been to Japan before: the post.

>>10310802
aniracism is the primary tool of dehumanization

you have anarcho tyrranical mobs telling murder victims they need to be kinder to the people butchering them, to work harder, and alleviate the symptoms of poisoned communist social atmosphere with multiracial food products

extra-cultural sapiens dpend on the machine's ability to redistribute taxes far more than people that have a history of nuclear familiy independence. thus they act as willing enforcers of capital by killing people publicly advocating for natalism

>>10310824
You have no argument

>>10310842
Mostly because I don't want to debate sinology right now. But i know you're full of shit and that's all that matters.

>>10310825
Not really the situation, anon. More like
>I thought he was going to kill me so I killed him back first.
Or should we just pre-emptively throw all poor people in jail because they're more likely to try to rob and kill you?

>>10310864
yeah suck my dick faggot

>>10310802
>I'm not that guy but, this is exactly what Land (I assume) is talking about. Asian countries fare better in a capitalist system precisely because they are built-in for dehumanization and deterritorialization.
If you look at history you see this is pretty much not the case. Two examples: post WW2 Italy had the biggest communist party in Europe and even with tons of labour laws they managed to pull off an economic miracle. Consider that before Thatcherism their economy surpassed the UK's. Sure, they had the help of the Marshall plan, sure, but that was only the kickstart. Then you have post Berlin Wall fall Germany: pretty much same shit, they managed to build the strongest economy in Europe without turning into a capitalist distopya and while remaining pretty social with the use of intelligent policies.
Is also pretty obvious that alienating your population isn't a winning strategy in the long run: modern global capitalism relies first and foremost on innovation, and a depressed population doesn't innovate, doesn't create and doesn't make babies. You can already see the effects of this btw, Japan hasn't been growing for a while. Land, if what you said corresponds to what he actually says, commits the same fallacies many Marxist commit (and that Marx itself doesn't make): that of pseudo-analizing the superstructures without analyzing the social, demographic, cultural and all the particular trends of a nation.
tldr study some economics

>>10310724
> that superiority complex
liberalism is a cancer in the West and it will be our downfall.
Im not even a sinophile or a Landian btw.
t. reactionary

>>10306829

AKS? really bizarre example.

probabilistic tests are actually deterministic given enough tests (wrt the tested number's phi)

>>10310927
Look up the suicide statistics, fool. It's no joke!

>>10310945
Belgium, Poland, and Russia have higher suicide rates than Japan and China idiot.

>>10310953
So?

>>10310959
The only East Asian country with a substantially high suicide rate is South Korea. China's suicide rate is quite low, and anyone who describes Japan as a hellhole has obviously garnered everything they know about Asia from online comments.

>>10310779
> People like this exist.
Honestly the people demanding a race war are most likely going to be the people who are gonna suffer the most from it. It's an idiotic infatuation with Armageddon in order to transform your own shitty life.

>>10307582
>that means creativity is stochastic trial and error.

It's pretty to think so.

Lemme know when your million monkey machine writes Hamlet.

>creativity derives from having the processing ability to try EVERY possible combination

That just gives you the 1940s' vision of the year 2000. Or the Jetsons.

>>10301880 >>10301915 >>10302100 >>10302974 >>10303203 >>10303673 >>10303985

Fuck off. Get back to >>>/pol/

>>10305231
Its called culture you retarded skinny fucking limpwristed dunce

>>10311048
Is this a false flag?

>>10311079
Has to be.

>>10311048
>wah wah this is my safe space!!

>>10311016
No one's demanding a race war cunt, just an end to your shitty public policies.

>>10311036
stochastity isnt trial and error

it means the traits of a system are epressed only via the entirety of the curve of traits over time

it means decentralisation, not central planning

central planning cannot determine prices for even a single good on the market ithout causing catastrophic shortage. the idea that something more compicated can be plannd to be discovered by anyone but the person to discover it is ridiculous

it'd be like you telling einstein the method to discover relativity, 100 years ago. yeah, good luck.

only stochastity frees geniuses to do the things they need to at an institutional level

>>10310900
currently illegal immigrants that commit tons of crime are demanding to kill european people. fuck you, die

don't act like they're innocent as a voting bloc

>>10311282
i am demanding one if blacks and spics continually refuse to punish murder, continually insist on affirmative action, and plan to fight us in the voting booth via illegal immigration

I refuse to let my kids be subject to violence and put into poverty by the urban desolation their crime causes. if they are fine that their kids are around murderers, great, they can go back home.

if they're not, they need to demand an end to crime. if they don't, they can go home or die

their demand for high incomes and iphones is NOT more important than the safety of my kid

if they think they're as motivated by their income to shoot me as I am to shoot them to protect my children, let them try

>>10311286
>>10311305
>reddit spacing

>>10310904

If by looking at Germanic history you can see a fast development and increasing capital under social policies, that doesn't mean dehumanization is still not going on, and in fact it's specially insidious where society is "thriving". Not sure if you actually live in Europe, but in Spain there's even normie romantic comedies about Germany's exploration of non-German workforces, it's a very well documented phenomenon, implying growth never comes without the price of extracting it from somewhere else.

Alienation happens inwardly here, and there, and in Italy, insofar as populations are spread thin among virtual islands of living yet seemingly "connected" to literally the whole world by the internet. What gives you access to Brazilians and Americans and Australians and Koreans, denies you access to eye-to-eye contact with your neighbor. I wholeheartedly agree that "a depressed population doesn't innovate, doesn't create and doesn't make babies", which is true to every single capitalist country with European ones at the top of the offender list.

This isn't supposed to be a "winning strategy" at all, it's merely the way (currently) capital is developing. Whether or not it hampers innovation can be argued but that just means people are already starting to not fit into the modes of production expected of capital.

Again, wherever your look, particular demographic trends take different paths into the same outcome: complete deterritorialization of capital away from people. Lives are getting better in Europe and we are welcoming immigrants to be pariahs in our place (all the while isolating ourselves from them and from each other, into our pocket existences), whereas lives are getting worse in China and Japan and they are withering away towards their own alienation faster than we are, which kinda closes the point that they are "faring better" as far as being more and more capitalist is our target.

Furthermore, China is only a good case study because its population is immense whereas no European country has to deal with these kinds of numbers. What happens in China is a much better statistical sample to measure against the rest of the world than any country that is able to pull off large amounts of money to invest in a single person. It just so happens that Europeans are afraid of their own breakdown after welcoming external workforces (that they apparently need very much), and none of us can predict what the shift/raise in population is actually going to do to us.

Though I must agree, Marx made no simplifications in his analysis, it remains better than this, but I'm also not sure what conclusions would he draw if he had updated data from today (and I'm not gonna try to predict it because he was much more throughout than I can be).

>>10301873
Is The Thirst for Annihilation worth reading, or simply pretentious apocalyptic drivel?

>>10312255
Despite all the talk about alienation, living and working conditions are better in Germany and Northern Europe than anywhere else

Why are people swarming to „dehumanizing“ Germany from the oh-so-humane South in the first place?

>>10312497

They are being lured by better life conditions of course. All we keep repeating here is that increasing "life conditions" does not necessarily correlate with humanization at all, but rather with its deterioration actually. It has also already been claimed that neither Africa nor Asia are undergoing humanizing processes; capital propagates itself everywhere. No one is migrating from any "humane" places, there is only capital now. So the Libyans might as well take the risk to be somewhere they can alienate themselves in pleasure, not in famine. This won't mask increasing depression rates being observed.

None of this happens in extremes. We will not realize it in a "great revolution" of any kind. Capital in Europe is sustained by Chinese production and now African workforce, just as Chinese production relies on consumption from everyone else. This is mere semantics at this point where we are all saying the same thing with one side hoping for the best and another expecting the worst. Time will tell (and fast).

>>10310724
ethnic liberalism was a mistake

>>10312535
What do you mean when saying "humane"?

If Lybia is more human than Germany in your definition, you might want to re-evaluate it.

>>10307789
I have a problem with leaders who imperialize the middle east and blow the shit out of it, creating the conditions necessary for a refugee crisis

>>10310636

Negarestani


Mortiloquist when

is this the faggot who is the main contributor to the Jacobite magazine. Kek do the traditionalists even realize the irony

>>10313120
Jacobite is run by either crypto-acceleationists or morons. Regardless, it's been pretty disappointing. Thermidor is better.

>>10313120
Sadly, Land began to pander to brainlet alt-right rhetoric

>>10313133
will keep in mind thanks

>>10301880

He's not wrong

>>10313152
I'm pretty sure he thinks that he's using them, and that they're all a bunch of useful idiots to further the advance of Capital. That's what he thinks, anyway.

Why is controversial to say that black people are mentally impaired? Every one of their societies evidences it

>>10313182
anyone knows nicky's adress so i can go there and break his legs

>>10313190
Cause it would be more accurate to say that they're "temporarily underdeveloped"

We Whites also were basically niggers up to the Reformation movement

>>10304012

>white civilization
>500 years old

>>10313203
>mediterranians are white when we need to steal their achivements

>>10313201

>"temporarily"

Most African countries don't seem to be trending towards any meaningful human development. If anything they're regressing

>>10313203
>Greeks
>white

>>10313208
Here's a pretty building over a 1,000 years old desu, in Germany. Dark ages are underrated

>>10313133
a shame really. imagine a reactionary, ultra-traditionalist Jacobite magazine stand in contrast to the socialist left-wing Jacobin. What a divine juxtaposition!

>>10313218

>le Greeks are only white when I want them to be

>>10304012
>a claim of nature based on evidence found is unscientific

>>10312676

That is a loaded word it seems. Every capitalist country is moving away from the (strictly defined philosophy of) humanism that developed from the Enlightenment. No matter if it's Germans "rescuing" people to be minorly opressed by them rather than majorly opressed by Libyans, or Chinese going full retard utilitarianism. Thing is though, quality of life is, for some reason, still being conflated with happiness, when the West is clearly not that happy from being better off than the rest. (And once again, individuals being satiated from capital surplus is also conflated with society not alienating them from each other)

what are the prereqs before taking the landpill?

>>10313239
Well, what can you do? It's their fault for being a combination of unresponsive and dull-witted. They actually came here once advertising a short story competition, but I don't think it ever materialized. And now they've had so many long dry spells with no new writing that I wonder if something isn't going on behind the scenes.

>>10302338
where the fuck are you ''an hour a go"

>>10313298
be a nihilist who hates life

>>10313298
liking terminator and blade runner but not black people

>>10301873
Fuck off Rabbit

he's objectively one of the thinkers of all time

Nothing in this thread makes any sense. Who the fuck is Nick Land? His wiki article reads like it was written by a diehard fan.

>>10313858

Land doesn't care that much about making sense. To sum it up, imagine someone reads Hegel, Marx, Deleuze, and others to a great extent, and at last decides to turn the whole thing upside down and side with Capital instead of humanity (Capital being the emergent effect of capitalism, or GNON which has the more esoteric connotation).

>>10313858
this should clear things up
>>10313878
wrong

>>10313881

>>10313881
Excellent meme, saved
Summarizes Lands philosophical career perfectly: from intellectual hero to meme zero

>>10313201
their average intelligence in developed countries (america) doesnt surpass 80. adoption doesnt increase their intelligence. the average chinese in china (undeveloped, often no running ater) is 2 fucking standard deviations above them.

you are incorrect

in fact, the tin trade shipped the most valuable metal on earth at the time thousands of miles across europe, overland, at a time you'd call them barbarians

they had MINING in the year 1k b.c. there are just no large buildings

>>10313858
he doesnt have a single idea, but if you needed to condense his ideas you could say he believes capital is a form of intelligence that is replacing human intelligence because human intelligence specifically chooses to deprioritise intelligence at all levels (bureaucracy promotes liars, breeding promotes good looking dumb people, islam promotes violent people)

in evolutionary game theory the only choice humans have against smarter humans to succeed in life is to kill the smarter humans off, or stalinistically shut them up.

capital as started in the netherlands is the process of removing human intelligence from the processes of production and government

>>10313274
How are we moving away from humanism? And isn't each and any state utilitarian in its general purpose or design?

And please don't imply that refugees don't have it better than in Lybia.

>>10314212
Sounds like really basic, entry-level critique of society and humans in general, up to this point:

>capital as started in the netherlands is the process of removing human intelligence from the processes of production and government

That's an interesting point. Where does he elaborate upon that?

>>10314250
perhaps I didn't go far enough.

capital is a form of intelligence inherently threatening to any form of human decision making that has any other priority. there is a very fast escalation of conflict that turns most countries socialist, and every socialist country becomes involved in the promotion of the destruction of capitalism and calls for the complete genocide of anyone participating (even isolationist capitalists)

the dumb people desire the jobs of smart people, the bureaucrats desire to remove the source of system that proves bureacracy/socialism is so bad at even farming that most people starve (in stark contrast to capitalism), intelligence tests become illegal

the political vector of all this is a coordination problem... you fin the most intelligent thing that most people of average intelligence are commonly capable of understanding...

that becomes illegal on either pain of death, imprisonment, or clan genocide

in china, the thing that could not be said is that the people that didn't starve under mao are the ones that farmed more rice by laboring more hours. their entire families got killed, being forced to "confess" in front of angry mobs before getting beaten to death.

shortly, laboring long hours became illegal. foraging for food became illegal.

there are things in our current society that are going to ruin your life if you say them. you can figure out precisely the content of those remarks, and they epand in scope every year as increasingly stupid people climb into the ranks of control, and feel increasingly threatened by people of even marginal intelligence

at every level of this process the smartest people get killed first. human values default to animalistic cavemen morals ( I M GOOD BECUs I M PRETTY, IF U NO THINK I PRETTY U EVIL, share fb post to prove u not evil) everyone demands the political and economic system revolve around beauty, feelings, and vain attention like children/animals

>netherlands
this isnt really his point. this is simply fact

>>10304004
it wouldn't be that interesting, they'd agree on the obvious topics, make a huge deal over what has been """controversial""" in their careers then they'd both tacitly agree to not actually discuss the progression of land's work in any meaningful detail completely ignoring the bulk of his what he is advocating

Land is radically progressive, so radical that he thinks humans cannot keep up and thus need to be discarded.

Fucking idiots think anything remotely elitist must be categorized as right-winged. Land falls outside the spectrum.

>>10301880
well, that's "family values" for you right there

>>10314454
he doesn't really

in terms of policy he is basicaly natsoc. he'd like to see high intelligence natalism (this involves some minor redisribution) to fend off machine intelligence

but the arms race remains. if not machine vs man then ascended man vs subhuman

there is nothing about this "beyond the spectrum" as conventional politics is currently subhuman vs domesticated human.

same conflict

>>10314485
How is that "natsoc"? "Natsoc" cares about national identity and race above all else. For Land, they are merely tools, I don't think he really gives a shit, hence why he loves states like Singapore with high amounts of high-education immigration.

>>10314532
his gold standark is hk. an ethno-capitalist haven

land's concern for natsoc is that they're going to fail, because natsoc is fundamentally about morality... morality doesnt come out ahead in shooting ars

natsoc the last 3 years has been having peaceful marches and parades. that doesnt boost the birth rate. that doesnt give an incentive for young people to join.

killing niggers and capturing females to distribute to useful soldiers.... this is an incentive

instead they are preaching peace. of course he makes fun oft hem

>>10301873
thats ted bundy

>>10314352

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-armed_bandit

The repression of individualized intelligence can sometimes makes sense in the context of group intelligence. Imagine a small group of people with finite resources and a single person who wants to use half those resources on a good but risky idea that could double the investment. If losing half of those resources risks killing the entire group, then it is a bad investment. In such a case, it makes sense to stiffle creativity. And this is a simple case... What if Mao's killing of overactive farmers was exactly what created the conditions for it's current accelerationist paradise? What if Mao was playing the long game?

The focus on individualized intelligence misses the forest for the trees when considering emergent behavior. Any civilizational [understood in your ideology of choice] watermark is going to be characterized by a some mechanism that (advertantly or inadvertantly) (in the short or long term) promotes phenomenon emerging from collective (in)human interactions. Land's utility as a thinker is in his ability to internalize the abstracted logic of self-reproduction and fully inhabiting a capital's-eye point of view. Yet, his limitations stem from an inability to consider the linkage backwards; that human-level activity matters insofar as it is the trunk of the tree whose flowers Land worships. He's taken the theological notions embedded within Silicon Valley, turned the gain to 11 and wrote his own old-testimant God that is waiting in the aisles for when neoliberalism's various apologetic projects to die. Land offers an anti-humanism that makes no modifications to one's own ego-centrism.

>>10315003
its sheldon cooper

>>10315104
lands conception of dehumanisation begins before the iron age.

the very first farmers that saved grain instead of being gluttons became less emotion, therefore less human

cephalisation is the process of dampening emotion, dampening humanity, dampening the needs of kin at the level of individual decisions, increasing reliance upon only the nuclear family, increased clan interbreeding to the point that members of your clan live and die by their personal decisions, increased assortive mating (dampening of lust)

europeans formed communities of free association because communal needs DID NOT matter and are unenforceable any further than they needed to be enforced BY community governance, a far cry from the duty model of classic kin structure: this is dehumanisation

this happened longest in east asia, men and omen alike barely have a reproductive drive, because the process had been so intensified. and if they have kids it is almost entirely an intellectual calculation

it absolutely attacks egocentrism. it highlights that stupid people are NEVER going to stop trying to kill smart people. EVER. because it is an instrumental process. if you are 130 inteligence in a mean population of 145 they are so far above you in capability you try and institute socialism

it is entirely anti-ego. it places human dynamics as completely driven by instrumental processes at every level, FOREVER

>>10301873
He's retarded here's why, he is the face of cyber-nihilism, ok so far so good, well, cyber-nihilism, it turns out, is wishy washy technomysticism based primarily on the occultic worshipping of certain drastic cultural changes or the effects thereof, such as AI, VR etc. As it happens, this world-view is grounded in... you guessed it, NOTHING :D
Ever since, twitter trannies have been spouting this borderline neo-pagan promethean nonsense as a way of ordaining themselves with some kind of smug categorical superiority over the unenlightened cis simpletons who, they believe, are able to find themselves within the binary gender system.
Now for my critique of trannies (lol): Transgender people see themselves as being outliers in the ultimate sense, sometimes to the point where they view cis people as rubes. On the contrary I think they are the rubes, because they have abstracted gender into a choice. The notion of gender identity is the psychological uncertainty of one's own bodily status. Identity is only formed when you relate yourself to the external. If there is no external, there is no identity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_(mathematics)
>an identity is an equality between functions that are differently defined
Differently defined, as in a boy, who's mental constituency regarding his sexual disposition is differently defined from that which he actually is. To form identity he must learn what he is, putting himself in conformance with the natural state of things, his natural gender. The moment this is not the case, the moment this crucial thing becomes a choice for him the notion of identity is eradicated entirely in his psyche and replaced with a foux identity centered around what he thinks he wants himself to be. Therefore he only needs to be in conformance with -himself- and thus never makes (or stops making) the crucial mental association with the outside reality that is responsible for human sexual identity. Transgenderism is therefore self-defeating from a symbolic standpoint. And the ones who are really at home with themselves are the trannies, so pompous.

>>10315245
Why does this read like something I would find on the shadowland bbs?

>>10314212
>he believes capital is a form of intelligence that is replacing human intelligence

Well then he's wrong.

>In our meritocratic societies, the difference in intellectual abilities are, rightly or wrongly, the primary reason for the wage and capital gap. But AI would break this very notion. Eventually, human intelligence will be ridiculous compared to that of machines.

>Besides, a society driven by artificial intelligence will be a society without work, which will render the mere function of money useless.

>Capitalism simply won't survive intelligent machines.
https://www.worldcrunch.com/opinion-analysis/artificial-intelligence-will-kill-capitalism

Artificial intelligence will KILL capitalism.

>>10315343
yeah retard, and so the function of humans as consumers.
humanity is now deprecated.

>>10315364
>humanity is now deprecated.

Fool. With the invidious distinctions imposed by intelligence, class and capital eliminated, we will now, finally, be able fully realize the 'old' enlightenment values of fraternity, equality, and liberty.

In short, the so-called Dark Enlightenment is pre-emptively condemned – predestined — to fail. It is a structural inevitability.

So much for Mr. Land and his cargo cultists.

>>10315245
Land isn't the face of cybernihilisn you retard, that's something n1x memed into being and it's only remotely connected with landian accelerationism (Land is rather ambigous on the issue of transgenderism)

Also stop going to twitter, it is a toxic place.

>>10304012
Based

>>10313049
Thanks anon

>>10315343
>>10315343
capitalism is a machinic algorythm for intelligent decision making. currency and markets are going to shift from grain prices to primarily pricing of research allocation, rare earth metals, and augmented computational capacity.

machines use capitalism to determine resource distribution

if you think just because human need becomes irrelevant that capital dies you are not thinking this through

>>10315476
you fail to understand the meaning of sovereignty

a sovereign human cannot, by definition, be egalitarian

if you think machines can make humans egalitarian you are also mistaken. humans, given tasks, are going to be sorted by capability. the capabilities are distributed unevenly

>>10307007
Your description of India also works for both England and America: either because it is so vague it is applicable to everything, or because your definition of civilization is universal in a pessimistic way. Considering your a Land fan, I’m going with the latter.

>>10315749
england and america have both been historically nearly as safe as japan, etc. et.c

in recent decades england and america have broadly become MORE like india (trending dis-civ. dynamics)

if you have a more cogent analysis of the breakdon of society please feel free to advance it. land's version is detailed, but also corroborated by thousands of years of chinese history

if you term indian civ, a civ, fine.

if you try and term indian civ as a good civ, or a civ of comparable merit to europe or china, this is the beginning of the discussion, if you care to have it

Is Nick Land's neoreaction stuff really that different from Fanged Noumena? From what I've read it seems pretty similar

>>10315903
it is more focused on "if the acceleration fails due to intervention by dumb minorities"

he has many, many articles dedicated to dysgenic dynamics

>>10315496
No

>>10315770
Why do you write like someone trying to copy and pasta Land's writing style? N1X, please neck yourself.

>>10304012
>Prior to that, Europe was seen as inferior by Arabs and even some Africans.

LOL

>>10307632
never post again

>>10301873
I don't think Nick Land is capable of thinking.

>>10316023
coherent prose means emulating land?

okay buddy, sure

go jerk off to fukuyama and make circular, vague arguments about values, never specifying them, and the value of humans, never specifying the distinction beteen valuable and valueless humans (violence, dumb, niggers is a start)

>>10316045
br is ahead of india

holy crap this is fucking funny

is that probably imperial br?

>>10315192
>implying it wasn't the emergence of language

What colonial philosophers call “dehumanization” or whatever is what enabled us to rise above gorillas bashing each others’ skulls in. It’s pointless sentimentality.

>>10316131
the fact it is parsimonious across ages means it is high in eplanatory strength

>>10306898
>Where does he talk about self-sufficiency of capitalism?

Everywhere it seems, if you feel like reading you'll find it. Although this lecture series is a good place to start

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLM6AzdvgK2LJMLHhI3Yeouy-3jiAKcvuB

>>10304131
from my very limited, second-hand knowledge, I've gathered that he is an accelerationist, and he believes that we should do everything in our power to accelerate the impending change, to get it over with faster, maybe so that we can potentially experience it during our lifetimes.

>>10301880
this is what I've heard too, although africa is a big place
I mean, don't certain tribes even have economies based around giving shit away?

>>10315192
I'm not arguing that the dehumanization dynamic doesn't exist. I'm arguing that it is not a sufficient explanation of the material processes of civilization.

It is completely egocentric for the most intelligent person in the room, going further, it is highly individualized egocentrism, which makes it even worse. The /meaning/ of that individual may be reduced to a slime ball, but Land is devoid of an ethics saying that that slime ball shouldn't think itself the center of the world. For Land, all things become tools towards acceleration, including the ego.

>>10315477
who is n1x?

>>10310927
Dude liberalism is western society. Read a book and understand what you're talking about. Fucking /pol/tards

>>10316336
selfishness=sin=fall-of-man=knowledge=naming=language

>>10317116
tell me something that can account for human civ if not evolutionary pressure for intelligence

if you are a nihilist or gnostic agnostic then dont even bother responding

>>10317116
why does he wanna go fast so badly?

>>10301873
Alright, can someone give me the lowdown on this nigga? Does he write books or just blog or what? Is he really in China? What gives

>>10301873
No, he's a complete pseud, as evidenced by his (and his fans) total inability to describe what his 'philosophy' is even about. This thread is an excellent example of that.

>>10318325
the conflict is intelligent forces vs dysgenic forces that massacre intelligence as a deliberate matter of evolutionary strategy.

of course he sides ith technology/intelligence

>>10318328
he is a retired professor. he really lives in china.

you can start by reading his books if you like, but they are not hte lightest reading

he has a compilation of neoreactionary stiff floating around as a pdr/epub that is much lighter

>>10318405
does he think the brainlets even stand a chance?

with glorious china being a big science and tech player now unstunted by democracy, christian heritage and liberalism it's only a matter of time before we reach escape velocity

>>10318468
China will face the same problems as the West does, e. g. slowing growth, massive regional disparity, real estate speculation, automation of jobs, ageing society, aimless politics

>>10318477
i'm not thinking about the comfort of the masses but scientific innovation that will lead in the posthuman era.

>>10318468
various colors of niggers have nukes, currently and are very eager to use them against china (but not arabia, very curious)

they absolutely stand a chance. chinese conflict but tolerance for arabians is the very epitome of lands fear of humanity killing off anyone reasonably intelligent

>>10316395
>Although this lecture series is a good place to start

Not that guy, but similarly situated wrt being intrigued by Land, or the play of ideas in this thread anyway, and wanting to get a better handle on the subject. Listened to about 90 mins of the first video. Between Land's fragmented speech patterns and the longwinded remarks by his interlocutors, it's pretty torturous stuff, and not very illuminating. Maybe it gets better.

More ahem enlightening is this:
>http://www.thedarkenlightenment.com/the-dark-enlightenment-by-nick-land/

>>10318589
PS: When the black chick dismissed HBD as fake science or words to that effect, at about 1 hour 40 mins, Land was notably silent. Does he take a position on that subject?

>>10317576
> dude you can't deport illegal immigrants because human rights lmao
> dude what is a border
> dude we are all human lmao
>*invaded 3rd world shitholes*
> dude based french revolutionaries lmao
> "A nation regenerates itself only upon heaps of corpses."

yeah truly a pinnacle of western civilization alright.

>>10318596
pro-hbd

>>10318505
Which niggers particularly?

>>10318637
This is why it’s the Chinese century. The West is suicidal and tired.

>>10318837
chinas supposed power is about as real as my waifu

>>10318831
the india niggers, the obama nigger, the israeli niggers, soon to be the french and english niggers

obama literally tried to sail nuclear arms 200 miles from chinese population centers. vested interests in the u.s. are bent on destroying china

the brainlets only need one fucking nuke to fuck everything up