/lit/ - Literature

i just want to thank all you stunted development plebs for keeping your genreshit in one megathread and away from the real literature

you guys should be commended for self quarantining so the adults don't have to bother

Oathbringer was great, although I felt that the shadesmar stuff dragged a bit

Sanderson is a great author.

>tfw you can't focus enough to write

Any aspiring authors tried Adderall?

>>10278865
It's good because it keeps you fags out, too. If we spread out across /lit/ every other thread would be dominated by "nut real lit" replies.

We are http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ScifiGhetto personified.

Does anyone havev any experience with the mission earth series? How did you find it to be?

Also any good satire scifi books you would personally recommend the charts werent specific about it.

Reminder that Syl is best girl.

Hey, asking again here, but have any of you read pic related? It seems good.

>>10279038
It's less satire and more pastiche, but you might try Venus on the Half Shell by "Kilgore Trout" - can't guarantee you'll enjoy it though.

>>10279096
A pastiche or pulp fiction or something specifically? Was the book enjoyable?

Thanks for the recommendation.

>>10279101
It is a pastiche of the kind of pulp science fantasy that Kilgore Trout would write. But it also emulates Vonnegut himself, not in his cynicism, but definitely in his absurdity and humor. In a way it's a pastiche of both Vonnegut's and his character's works. It's a weird combo that ends up a bit like a proto Hitchhiker's Guide. It isn't always well received and KV himself didn't really like it, so you may or may not enjoy it. I thought it was perfectly fine and an apt recommendation because it isn't well known.

>>10278912
That's just cause it was supposed to be an initial exposure in order to set up further arcs set there.

Any good Sci-Fi about VR?

>>10279524
A lot of Cyberpunk books deal with the subject in one way or the other, see that section in the Sci Fi charts in the OP if you want some starting points, I would recommend seeking out William Gibson's Neuromancer or Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash if you're just starting out and then expanding from there.

>>10278865
Cry more.

>>10279316
Night Angel Trilogy.
I read that first then moved onto first law.

>>10278848
>>10279208

>>10279863
This was made before that one fagget. Look at the time. This was made 3 hours before that one.

Anyone have the excerpt of kaladin btfo of the light eyes in the arena? When no one wanted to second Dalinar's son?

>>10280018

so why was Oathbringer so bad?

>>10280018
What you're looking for is "Words of Radiance Reread: Chapter 56". Download the book and read it again if you want.

>>10280041
Holy.... more

>>10280041
>Honor is dead.
>But I'll see what I can do.

How do you think Sanderson feels when he comes up with this stuff?

>>10280066
Like this.

>>10280066
the enters the mormon ecstasy

>>10280068
Yeah, he's probably smug for the whole day afterwards.

>>10278865
(You)

>>10278865
Doin' our best, senpai.

>>10278848
>new releases you are reading
Nothing really, the two newest books I've read this year is All The Birds in The Sky, which was shit, and Norse Mythology by Gaiman, which was good enough for what it is.
>upcoming expected releases
Same, nothing really. I'm going to read Too Like the Lightning sometime soon, if I like it I guess I'll be looking forward to the rest of the series.
>tell something of the last book you read
Lies of Locke Lamora. It started out horribly, but got better and I ended up liking it. Good characters and a fun plot. Will most likely not read the rest of the series however.

>>10280066
He loves that shit more than anyone else, probably. It's too bad good fantasy action can barely be found outside of anime.

>>10278848
>>new releases you are reading
I have Seven Surrenders and Death's End in my to-read pile, will probably get to them before the end of the year.

>>upcoming expected releases
The Will to Battle and Count to Infinity.

>>tell something of the last book you read
The last book I read was Learning to Eat Soup With a Knife. I thought it was disappointing and the author relied too heavily on institutional British sources for information on the Malayan Emergency. There was also surprisingly little original content/synthesis given the amount of information the author collected.

The last SFF book I read was A Night in the Lonesome October. It was rather lightweight but quite comfy; I liked it.

>>10280059
Man this was the best in the seris then kaladin cucked it up by wanting to duel

>>10280254
Nah, Sadeas was probably going to weasel out of it one way or another.

He did owe Adolin a duel tho, so I'm not sure why Adolin is so bummed about what happened later. Guess he's got his own stuff to work through.

brapap

>>10280283
Are there any good SFF out there with bisexual characters?

So is everyone ready to praise the greatest piece of fiction ever created? You guys know what I mean.

>>10280278
At least the rat is dead
>putting the killer in charge of investigating his own crime
Dalinar a cuck

>>10280289
no

>>10280289
B5

>>10280289
Oathbringer. The stormfather is bisexual.

>>10280384
I don't know what that means.

>>10280386
I specifically said good to avoid Sanderson and his likes.

>>10280416
Babylon 5, a sci-fi TV show.

This was a fun time travel novel from L Sprague De Camp (1939.) A 20thC American archeologist is in Rome when he is struck by lightning and transported to AD 536, and Ostrogothic Italy. He uses his wits and knowledge of 20thC invention and science to make a living - beginning with brandy and book-keeping. This in the face of local Gothic ignorance, Roman venality, and Church superstition, from which many of the novel's humorous moments arise. The protag eventually becomes embroiled in local and international politics, where he undertakes grander schemes to strengthen the Ostrogothic Kingdom in the face of Belisarius' Byzantine invasion; in come the printing press, catapults, and army modernisation, and a good deal of clever scheming. A good mix of historical detail, light hearted comedy, romance, action and intrigue, 5 dinos out of 5.

>>10278848

can someone PLEASE post the David Foster Wallace bear?

>the Dragon Reborn to confront the Shadow at the Last Battle, and his blood shall give us the Light.
Does this mean rand will die at the end?
if not dont tell what will happen

>>10280514
Fantasy prophecies always have not-what-you-expected-but-technically-true results.

>>10280419
Guess I should have specified that I'm looking for books.

how is the pic related

>>10280514
He basically steal Mordins body while his own dies, thus technically dying.

>>10280478
Why? He's isn't exactly relevant here.

>>10280514
It does. His blood on the rocks of Shayol ghul. Rand knowingly marches towards insanity and death.

>>10280550
Readable.
You should read it.

>>10280552
will it be a too big spoiler?
>>10280560
wew
i expected a good ending sort of a series, sad.

Remind me why this thread isn't in /tg/

>>10280581
It is a good ending to the series, just read it.

>>10280550
Varying quality and long as fuck.

>>10280581
>will it be a too big spoiler?
What do you think? It's the ending of a series spanning 14 books. The actual ending was planned and partly written by Jordan, the last chapter in particular is quite good.

>>10280590
sad cause i like rand as fuck
will also be sad for the woman who love him

>>10280289
I feel like I remember a bi character in one of Peter F Hamilton's erotica tomes

>>10280644
I wouldn't worry about it. 14 books is a lot of buildup, it's not a particularly sad ending.

What series would you recommend someone who just got into reading?

>>10280662
Doctor Seuss

>>10280662
ABC

>>10280662
Sticky is no help? What do you want to read?

>>10280668
books

>>10280321
Is Dalinar really a cuck? Let's look at the evidence:
>Fell in love with and lusted over his brother's wife for years and married her after his death. This is pretty close to textbook cuckoldry.
>Got married for political reasons. To bow to the whims of the State is cuckoldry, especially when the State was his brother Gavilar. Later murders this wife on a mission for Gavilar.
>Wasn't even present for the birth of one of his sons, while his wife was back in Kholinar. Who knows if Renarin is even his?
>Gave up a shardblade to a man who tried to kill him in exchange for some bridgemen, though he did get a shardbearer out of the bargain, but the shardbearer almost let an assassination attempt through. Even, I guess.
>Ineffectually shouts at the Stormfather, who is a pathetic old man aping the actions of an even more pathetic man who is now dead. Plugs the Stormfather into his own mind, and then can't even summon a Shardblade. What a cuck.
>A kindly trustworthy elderly man with absolutely no ulterior motives, who sends Dalinar nice dreams of peace rather than the Stormfather's dreams of war, asks Dalinar to give up the burden of his pain, which has been haunting him for years even though it wasn't his fault. Dalinar dwells on his pain hard enough to warp reality, when entrusting it to the nice and friendly man who genuinely cares about him would have been a much better way to go. He turned down limitless power and passion and a position as Champion. This is the ultimate cuckold.

>>10280662
Try the Kharkanas trilogy for some light entry-level reading.

>>10280672

Warbreaker -> The Way of Kings

Threads are mostly about this currently.

>>10280668
I mostly read thrillers and know shit about fantasy so that

On Hoid:
he said he knew where to go when his help is needed, but not the details on how he can help. He only knew he wasn't there to help Shallan. Was it made clear what his purpose was?

>>10280701
Presumably he was there for Elhokar's poor spren.

>>10278865
Tell me about our lord and saviour jordan peterson

>>10280662
broken empire

>>10280707
Peterson likes this stuff btw. He's a big fan of Harry Potter.

so how does Adolin feel about being actively cucked by two thirds of his wife? because that ending clearly shows that Shallan as a whole and "Shallan" as the persona assumed by her are two distinct things

is it some sort of mormon fetish?

>>10280672
>>10280689
There's really no point in going through Stormlight. Warbreaker is Sandersons best book, once you've read it there's no point wasting time on a somewhat worse epic series that's not yet finished when you could go experience other authors.

>>10280804
Shallan is completely fucking bonkers. Honestly at this point Kaladin and Adolin are genuinely better off going gay for each other.

There are any other book like wheel of time(good romance good plot good characters)?

NO MATING

>>10280828
True, their interactions were certainly healthier and less cringy than either's with Shallan (although I think Kaladin only spoke about personal matters with her once in the whole book).

brapap

Ruin>odium

There, I said it.

>>10280877
Yeah for now. Hoid has been really playing up Odium, and while he off screened three shards , his intent isn't really clear.

>>10280828
They should just move to shadesmar and marry their spren

>>10280805
The ANIME moments tho.

Seriously, it scratches the same itch but since it's a book series you get a better more consistent story

>>10280919
Honourable ronin Szeth flies through the air and destroys a massive rock monster with a single draw of his magical shadow katana to save the loli

>>10280919
>reading a million words for one or two great moments (Kaladin in the arena and Dalinar vs the giant crab are the ones that come to mind)
I have no idea what you mean with a series giving a more consistent story, but I probably disagree. With one book you get a more concentrated story where the author actually have to focus on bringing the story forward instead of filler and useless worldbuilding.

>>10279028
>memetropes
back to /leddit/

>>10280939
>Adolin walks in on Shallan changing
>W-why are you in here!!! Baka!!! and then she throws something at him and he runs away blushing

>>10280960
Anon he almost saw her sweaty stinky safehand! It was only natural!

>>10280966
>safehand
That scene where she stripped in feont of the entire gang was maximum lewd.

>>10280969
>Kyaa!! Now I can't get married anymore!

>>10280969
>only Kaladin picks up why she did it

why is he such an autismo?

>>10280990
The others are royalty, women probably flash their safehand at them all the time. Fucking whores.

>>10280980
>h-hentai! baka!!

>>10280945
Sanderson has said that he specifically makes it a point to have every book in the series stand well on its own in terms of plotting. The end of every book so far has had several hundred pages of "pay off", and he's not been afraid to progress his story and give answers.

>>10280675
>A kindly trustworthy elderly man with absolutely no ulterior motives
kek

>tfw you’ll never be able to lick Shallan’s safehand after a long, hard day of sword practice.

Why even live at this point

>>10280939
>the
DESTROY
EVIL
>moment
My fucking dick.
I swear I heard the sword's voice and scream in my head.

>>10281056
I found myself half-reading half-visualizing a lot of the action scenes in the last part of the book, it's kind of weird.

>>10281053
Radiant Shallan is best Shallan.

>>10280900
>their spren
Adolin has a spren? he always talked to his sword... but I thought it was just like those old swordmans tales.

>>10281079
Have you read the latest book? He doesn't exactly have a spren, but it's an interesting situation.

>>10281079
In oathbringer he finds out what his sword's spren looks like. It's not pretty. But they kind of bond and it's presumed he'll turn into a full radiant at some point.

>>10281070
It's one of his greatest strengths as an author. People shit on his prose, but he really has a way of putting the images straight into your head, especially during action scenes. He also writes every book with a few cinematic images that he really wants to burn into your mind.
>Kelsier and his cage
>Vin vs. the Inquisitors
>Kaladin jumping the chasms to face the Parshendi
>Near-death Kaladin summoning his Sylblade for the first time
>Wax crushing an entire fucking building while carrying his waifu

I started reading Sandersons Mistborn, one of my first fantasy books. So far, it seems generic as fuck. The evil empire, the tortured avenger mentor, the poor underdog girl who is actually a super high potential. I have seen and read this a thousand times.

Not uninteresting, since the pacing is fast and to the point, (in chapter four or so, they are already discussing concrete plans to overthrow the main antagonist) but I dont see how Mistborn is any more imaginative than, say, Harry Potter.

Does it get better later on?

>>10281028
But non of the subplots in Stormlight (up until the end of WoR at least) compare to the plot of Warbreaker so what's the point of reading through an epic when you get a better and more contained experience from a single book? Especially when you have to go through cringe worthy shit like Lifts etc.

Trying to find Peter F Hamilton's 'Manhattan in Reverse', anyone have it to hand? B-OK dot org has failed me.

>>10281118

Very power fantasy - But they do get very good. Stick with them.

>>10281118
If by better you mean less "generic", no.

>>10281121

Has anyone here read the commonwealth saga? Best Sci-Fi I've read of many.

>>10281119
Cause you wanna read an epic? I personally enjoyed reading the books, but I also tend to bingeread pretty hard, so I can deal with slow beginnings, and the large page count isn't an issue.

About Lift, read Edgedancer if you haven't.

>>10281139
Commonwealth was pretty cool, except for the whole Ozzy odyssey being completely fucking pointless. I very much enjoy humanity kicking its ass into gear and dedicating pretty much all resources to war.

>>10281118
Sanderson is who you read if you already enjoy many of the conventions of fantasy. If you want something more profound, challenging and literary there is Gene Wolfe's BOTNS.

>>10281144
>Cause you wanna read an epic?
While I'd personally prefer WoT, ASoIaF or even Black Company, fair enough. But reading epics is in my opinion somewhat of a waste of time.

>>10281166
I find SA better than ASoIaF, especially now that GRRM has literally lost the plot.

>>10281170
Who knows if GRRM have lost the plot as we've probably never read the rest of the story. While I enjoy his writing way more than Sandersons I guess the fact that he'll probably never finish the story valid reason to read Stormlight over ASoIaF. But still, it's a waste of time and if you don't start you don't have to finish.

>>10281170
This makes me so god damn upset.

Is this book of the swordwaifu good?
Does he fuck the sword?

>>10281194
Yes.
Yes.

>>10281194
Warbreaker -> WoK -> WoR -> this book
he's gonna do it next book for sure

>>10281099
Haven't read him, but the combat scenes in Bakker's books are pure action coreography.

Ergo: Fuck Tolkien's way of botching violence.

>>10281159
Could someone please post the Gay Rape Incest-pic with Meme Wolff on?

>>10281219
>it’s a Bakker does the mines of Moria episode

That whole sequence was fantastic

how do I know if my character is too edgy?

>>10281281
Does she possess, edged weapons?

>>10280550
most excellent, but may require a profoundly long attention span to get through the first book, maybe the second as well

>>10280294
My dude Gregor was kino

>>10281299
He has a skull on his shirt, a prostheic hand, anger issues and is an elder demigod born of rape

On the other hand he's embarrassed by the cringe of his shirt but wears it because shirts are too expensive to throw away. His hand is piece of crap that barely works, and the gene that left him without a hand is one of the only abomination genes that isn't recessive

>>10280675
Odium, go to bed.

>>10281194
Depends on who "he" is and what sword he'd be fucking
Kaladin still hasn't fucked Syl
Adolin learned his sword's name and she responds to him faster than the 10 heartbeats at a climactic moment. In Shadesmar she looks like a girl with scratched-out eyes. She's very cute but not really in a fuckable form
Szeth's swordwaifu is pure and not for lewd things
Shallan, Mraize's Knife, has probably turned Pattern into a dildo and fucked it several times, in between showing her safehand off, lusting over Adolin, Kaladin, and Jasnah, and attending an orgy.

>>10281398
Did I miss something about Szeth?
Where have we seen his spren and not Nightblood?

>>10281408
we haven't seen his spren
but nightblood is his swordwaifu

>>10281084
That and the Unmade were the best, creepiest parts of Oathbringer. Really excited to see Sanderson trying to make actually horrifying creatures that aren't just a product of magic system math.

>>10281118
It's meant to be generic because Sanderson wants to "deconstruct" generic. The evil emperor dies in the first book, the eunuch becomes a god in the third.

>>10281118
>one of my first fantasy books
> generic as fuck
>I have seen and read this a thousand times.
>one of my first fantasy books

>zombies are contagious
>vampires are contagious
>mummies are contagious

is there any work of fantasy/horror where ghosts are contagious

>>10281705
EVERY ONE
if a ghost kills you you gonna be a ghost, silly.

>>10281705
Since when are mummies contagious?

>>10281219
>Could someone please post the Gay Rape Incest-pic with Meme Wolff on?
??????

>>10281219
>>10281737
I think he means this.

>>10281070
d-doesn't everyone do this? i visualize everything that I read.

>>10281705
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6261189-unholy-ghosts

There is any world as compelling as wheel of time?
Like with prophecies who makes me shiver?

>>10281720
it depends. Depending on the work, mummies are either zombies or liches. Zombie mummies are contagious while lich mummies aren't.

If I had to say, there should be a consistent rule that Lich mummies are usually masterworks of mummification reserved for pharaohs while zombie mummies are cheap imitations that afford commoners a semblance of life after death

>>10281705
Don’t forget
>werewolves are contagious
>fishmen are contagious
>orcs are plant spores

I'd like to read military SF but not a whole novel. What are some good SF novellas or short stories?

>>10281761
Yeah, it's normal, it just flowed really well in those sections.

>>10281852

https://www.tor.com/2014/07/29/the-colonel-peter-watts/

So is Moash actually going to become Odium's champion? Fucking race traitor has literally no characterization beyond MEDIEVAL SOCIALISM DOWN WITH KINGS, and he's just killed a god. Hope it's just a red herring and he gets murdered by the next book or so.

>>10281899
Personally, I think it's another red herring.
Moash's anger makes him a good candidate for the Dustbringers.

>>10281899
I bet the Fused are building him up to try to kill Odium so they can take his shard.

>>10281899
>>10281908

Thinking about it now, Kalladin will probably end up having to kill him, and that will be the moment he gets over his "must protect everyone" shonen protagonist syndrome.

Pls guyz no spoiler
I am in the beggining of the second book of WoT, and i want to know, will the aeilmen have development?
i mean will rand talk with ailmens? i find them much interesting

>>10281899
>race traitor
>>>/pol/ is that way.
Moash kills Elhokar, feels nothing, is sent to kill Jezerezeh'elin and does so with a hemalurgic spike, and still feels nothing. His characterization makes more sense if you remember that he is basically the exact same character as Kaladin, down to motive, but taken too far - he tries to rally other slaves, hates the people who killed his grandparents, is a spear prodigy, tries to lose himself in work to avoid pain, both think a lot about how armies are run and whether it's being done fairly/efficiently. Same guy, with one important difference: Kaladin kept fighting to live instead of to kill. Kaladin's rejection of the assassination plot is also a rejection of the side of himself that would kill Elhokar.

I doubt he'll be the Champion (my guess is Navani), but I do want to see what Odium makes out of his pieces.

>>10282150
I think the champion thing will be subverted. Perhaps Taravangian somehow becomes champion and then just loses ez pz

>>10282160
>implying Odium's ever going to show his face to Dalinar again

>>10282165
Dalinar can recreate Honor's Perpendicularity. I can see Odium tricking him into Investing too much power in something ultimately worthless (a la Preservation being the slightest bit weaker than Ruin because of investing in humanity), sneaking Sja-Anat in to touch the Stormfather, or just massing an army of Fused/voidspren in Dalinar's location on the Shadesmar side so that next time he draws from Honor's well of power as Stormlight, he also brings a fuckton of Voidbringers down on his head.

>>10282194
Dalinar is Honor now, he just doesn't know it.

>>10281852
Most of the Hammer's Slammers series is told through short stories. My personal recommendations would be Interrogation Team and The Butcher's Bill.

"I killed those children." -Dalinar Kholin, 2017

>>10282226
Makes him more qualified for High King in my opinion. And it's two words Brandon, it's a dignified and ancient title and leaving it in two words lends your work gravitas while combining them makes it feel like WoW and SO HELP ME I am going to become an anti-fantasy author terrorist if you keep this up.

>>10282092
Can you please stfu and read the book if you want to read it? You asking us questions then saying "no spoiler" when you get an answer.

>>10282226
>Dalinar
>edgy
Pick one.

>>10282242
The only thing that keeps him from being edgy is he's not described as being skinny or with floppy hair that covers his eyes.

>>10282242
Never understood this meme. All the years I'm seeing it.

>>10282242
He burned his wife to death and refuses to let go of his suffering.

>>10282240
fuck you fag

>>10282248
The meme means that you cannot pick both (because you can only pick one - they are both mutually exclusive.)

>>10282250
>husband is involved in bloody medieval black flag warfare
>lol imma just sneak over there and see if I can do better diplomacy than four years of Gavilar while they use a flag of truce to try to kill my husband
>oh no why is he brutally destroying this rebellious city this was not a good plan
He never should have let her campaign with him.

>>10282255
The image bruh. I'm talking about the picture.

So wait, the sword fucking series is 14 books long or what?

>>10282270
It's a smirking triangle. The image is meant to imply that you are stupid and that a look of amused derision is an appropriate response for what you are saying.

>>10282270
I haven't even read the manga, I just enjoy the shiteating grin of the triangles.

>tfw this cuck is following in the footsteps of BURM and Rothfuss
Peace Talks never.

>tfw this cuck is following in the footsteps of GURM and Rothfuss
Peace Talks never. Fuck these new ages authors.

>>10282508
>Dresden Files (15 books)
>Codex Alera (6 books)
>Cinder Spires (1 book)
>last book published ~two years ago
not even close

>>10282508
It's impossible to publish in the Age of Trump i believe
Too busy arguing on youtube comments or maybe its twitter now

Is Shallan intentionally annoying, using attempts at wit as a defense mechanism, or is Sanderson just bad at writing her character?

>>10282777
I stopped reading the first book because I was too worried that Sanderson genuinely thought those "quips" she was making at the beginning were funny.

Please tell me he was just writing a character with autism whose jokes are only laughed at to make the situation less awkward, like how real autistic kids are when they try to make jokes.

>>10282777
It's 100% a defense mechanism. Her whole character is that her entire personality is a series of facades.
Think about her backstory for a second, that would fuck anyone up.

>>10282777
The only people who find her funny are peasants and the guys who are angling for a safehandjob. The one time she makes a joke to Dalinar he gets visibly annoyed.

So what happens when Hoid is done collecting all 16 does Harmony fuck with this number? pieces of investiture?

What is the drakengard of the science fiction/fantasy genre?

I finally caught up to Warlock of the Magus World, it only took me a solid three weeks. Fucking 1140 chapters!

I'm not really sure why I'm still reading it at this point. Maybe Stockholm syndrome. The MC is alright, though less interesting now than at the beginning, but the side characters, JESUS FUCK, the side characters are UNBEARABLE and there are MULTIPLE HUNDRED CHAPTER ARCS SOLELY FOCUSED ON THEM! The fucking shadow world was the worst so far, thank God it was at least on the shorter side and all the characters are dead. The World of Gods is just a shittier repeat of the beginning, with all the originality replaced with DnD.

Everything up to the Twilight Zone was great, after that it was still okay up until Lava World and everything after that has been just barely acceptable.
The main issue is that there just aren't any characters anymore. Everyone who shows up either is totally worthless grunt that will never amount to anything, or a boring generic enemy that schemes for 20 chapters and then gets defeated instantly. And without any characters that are even close to on-par with the MC, all that's left is the chronicles of a man so boring that hundred year timeskips occur without anything happening, and so emotionally dead that sentient computers, undead skeletons, and primordial incarnations of universal laws seem like hotblooded shonen protagonists by comparison. The fights don't even make sense anymore, everything has gotten so gigantic that there's no sense of progress between them, and the schemes have gotten so high level they've looped back around to being retarded, where every arc there's a conga line of *keikakus behind you* until finally the MC cockslaps them all into submission.

>>10282986
Yeah the author lost all motivation towards the end, apparently he did very little forwards planning and kept writing himself into holes.
The world of gods arc blows ass and is universally considered the shark jump moment, really par for the course with web novels though.

I will how ever say that the first half up to the end of Twilight zonenis fucking gold and deserves a light novel or possibly full novelization but the guy who wrote it doesn't want free money

>>10283070
>up to the end of twilight zone
yugh, Twilight zone was the beginning of the end. Gigantic timeskips, meaningless dumbass characters and plotlines, endless filler. The whole thing was just waiting for the end. Literally, that was his plan, just fucking wait. Everything RIGHT UP TO entering that teleporter was good, then we get into "fuck around mode" and never quite managed to leave it.

Any other suggestions? While it's pretty shit now the beginning was good. Preferably something less wizardy/fantasy, like a kungfu martial arts thing. Preferably with characters besides the MC who are more than hackneyed characatures.
Come to think of it, is there a xiaxia with an actual legitimate antagonist? Someone who stays relevant throughout the powercreep? Or even just characters in gneral who keep up? Or are all the MCs absolutly unrivalled loners?

>>10283110
Yeah there's just no way to handle the later stages of a setting as large as WMW in a web novel with its 1-3k word chapters.

I think I enjoyed it for the same reasons you hated it though, characters being left in the dust during an actual journey felt adventurous to me.
Unfortunately he got stuck on the magus world cultivating in wizard towers instead of setting out to explore it, encountering the snake dowager naturally then fleeing from her while he cultivates on his way to the world of the gods.

>is there a xiaxia with an actual legitimate antagonist?
>Or are all the MCs absolutly unrivalled loners
No, that's more of a japanese shounen thing, the idea of chinese mc's is to abandon those around you and move onto a higher class, because that's often how china feels to young men in a corporate field.

>>10283229
>abandon those around you and move onto a higher class
That's the problem, there really stopped being a higher class after a while. Sure, there still are various beings at or above his level, but they might as well be large rocks for all that they actually accomplish in the story. The higher up on the chain he goes the more boring and flat everyone is.

There's a difference between becoming a god through countless battles and adventures, and gaining ultimate power through meditating in a cave for five thousand years. In the beginning he actually had to overcome his enemies, it was a struggle and in the end he would win and then move on. Now, he just sorta waits until his opponents are invalid and then whacks them if he feels like it. Every arc he's already so superior it's impossible for him to be threatened. Instead of advancing he stays in a rank until he's totally invincible and then only steps forward when he can immediately jump to the top again.
For instance he did NOTHING in the ENTIRELY of the shadow planet arc!

>>10282531
Peace talks was supposed to be released 4+ years ago. He dropped it for reddit cats the series.

>>10282891
He places them together and tries to summon shenron, I mean Adonalsium.

>>10282986
Hey blog fag. Does it look like we care for your Chinese webnovel?
>>>/a/

>>10283326
I'll blogpost and you'll like it motherfucker!
Don't make me write an original fantasy novel stylized as an autobiography one post at a time in this thread. So help me God I will!

>tfw just wanna write schlocky science fantasy but life has forced me down the screenwriter route.

>>10283299
Oh yeah I agree with you, it sucks, he got too powerful for the setting.
Essentially these are web novels written over almost a decade by bad authors, this one couldn't handle inter-organisation war.

>>10283331

>>10279570
But then he would have to actually read Cyberpunk, and that's just cruel.

>>10282092
yeah they get a lot of screen time later on, are you retarded or something though just read the books ya goob

>>10280556

because of the OP img

>>10279038
bumping for answers with respect to the Mission Earth books

>>10279570
>William Gibson's Neuromancer or Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash
the 2 I dont recommend.
Look up some reviews before you actually read any of those.

Sanderson is getting more crude as time goes on. Soon he will degenerate completely and we will have full GRI. He is slowly entering his master's footsteps.

>>10280740
That somehow fits perfectly and it makes him almost as hateable as Jean Vert.

>>10283633
what?

>chapters and chapters of blushes, awkwardness, naked hands and courting
yet another part that Wolfe has figured out: one paragraph of forceful sex makes for a better read than this drudgery

>>10283675
That's because Wolfe graduated from the Vance school of prose.

>>10280900

This tbqh, Syl is bae.

>>10280828

Shallan has completely lost it. Girl's got issues.

>>10282531

It's been over 3 years since the last Dresden book was published. He used to do one or even two a year.

It seems as though the divorce sapped his will to write, which is understandable, but very unfortunate. Dresden is so popular that he could never write another book and just coast on the royalties.

typical Sanderson fan

>>10283742
We're on 4chan u no

>kaladin hiding in brush
>foe spots him
>throws his hands up and shouts "i surrender"
Why do Americans always make fun of the French? Even Sanderson isn't above such petty jibes.

>>10283645
Have you read book 3? Sanderson is like the Catholic girl that is transferred to a public schools. He is slowly coming out of his shell and onto the path of becoming a full thot.

>>10283831
>doesn't even describe the orgy
I don't think so.

>>10281084
I wouldn't mind an eyeless qt who would let me deep dick her and cuddle afterwards.

>>10283739
>divorce sapped his will to write
??????? When did he divorced?
Wtf is with these fucking roasties? They always divorcing people and messing up our books.
Scott Lynch, Jim Butcher all their works suffered after divorce. I'm sure I know when Butcher got divorced too, it was before that reddit cats novel. That is why he wrote that shit.

Hell the roastie Laurel K Hamilton divorced her husband and the Anita Blake novel went into the gutter. Anita went from a church girl raising zombies and putting down vampires, to a sex craved whore junkie who fucks everything in sight. Hell, she took a 16 year old to Vegas so she could fuck his legally (in the novel) so her magic vagina could give him a power up.

>>10283836
Slowly. You can't expect him to throw off years of brainwashing in an instant. You corrupt church girls slowly. You slowly apply pressure until they pass the pucci, then apply more until they can't live without cock.

>>10283865
mfw im dating an ex catholic school girl 15 years after she graduated. what mistake have i made.

>>10283856
when you grow up you will look back on what you have written here with a slight sense of reflief that that period of your life is over.

>>10283882
Everything he said is true though.

>>10283877
She probably had other girls vaginas on her appendages, more than you had in your life time. She also probably played his the sausage with her brother when younger. Also you are in no way her first bf. Take that as you may. You maybe her path onto a road of redemption after living a life of so many penises.

>>10283882
>when you grow up you
Is 29 not old enough?
>that period of your life is over.
what period? Do you think I'm stupid enough to get married?
Do you think my memory is so short, or that I'm so self delusional, that even if I married and divorced I'm gonna delude myself and believe that the "next one is gonna work"?

You better better grow up and realize that humanity wasn't made for a single partner over their lifetime. You have to make marriages work, you have to fight instincts to breed and stay faithful to your hobbled bovine at home.

Every author that divorces always has a noticeable slum in their work. Hell look at Jordan. It took him dying to make his books get better again.

>>10283856
>Scott Lynch, Jim Butcher
Literally nothing of value was lost.

>>10283934
>So dedicated to his books that he dies in order to make them better

truly based

Lynch's first book was quite good for a debut novel. It's miles ahead of something like Elantris. Too bad everything that came after was shit, especially that third book.

Brandon Sanderson is a mediocre writer. There, I said it.

>>10283934
>WoT got better when Jordan died
???

>>10283953
Do you think someone's going to argue that with you? We know he's mediocre and we read him anyway.

>>10283953
Yes, but he's also an ANIME writer.

>>10278865

Adults are boring. No wonder you like it more in the real world.

>>10283951
His wife divorced him after the first book.

>>10283953
¿Where do you think you are?

>Odium might appoint a champion in fear of losing again
Isn't this setup pretty similar WoT's? I can't remember the particulars, but didn't Shai'tan want to win by turning Rand to the dark side, as it were? I'm going to make a prediction and say that Kaladin will probably end up being Odium's champion one way or enother, completing the "inspiration".

>>10284058
Why would Odium try to convert a huge Dalinar fan when he's got THE LAW on his side now?

>>10284070
Rand wasn't conciously on Shai'tan side either. He was about to go the edgy nihilistic side when he was on top of Dragonmount, but chose not to. Kaladidn, or someone else, nominially "good", might go through something similar.

what's the next big sffg meme book on the horizon?

>>10284102
Winds of Winter I suppose
Or Doors of Stone

lmao

>>10284102
Mine.

>tfw starting with an underage prostitution/ breastfeeding scene and only getting weabier from there

>>10280952
Have I trespassed on 4chan sharia law?

>>10284152
it's generally considered cringey to bring up tvtropes outside of tvtropes, mostly because some people think it's the holy gospel when it comes to breaking down storytelling when its really not.

>>10284152
Is m00t our Mohammed?

>>10283675
>our boi Severian fuckrapes Jolenta the first time he gets

Based

>>10283590
Neuromancer is trash except the Japanese bit which is magnificent. Snow Crash is trash imitating trash.

>>10284263
Of course. We are an imageboard of peace.

Reading Lord of the Rings for the first time. Never seen the films, little experience with fantasy/sci-fi, and I'm really getting into it.

>>10284366
No one asked faggot.

>>10284376
But a faggot did reply.

What fantasy series are safe from the evil claws of modern, consumerist geek chic fashion culture?

>>10284378
>>10284376
WWWWWWWWWWOWWWWWWWWWW
TURN DOWN FOR WHAT!

>>10284380
what did he mean by this?

>>10284366
Lotr is the worst gateway fantasy novel there is.

I'm really enjoying Perdido Street Station, especially the lore behind all the races but I'm curious does Mieville ever go into depth on other works what caused The Ravening?

>>10284118

Has anyone here ever been blown away by a plot?
In a bizarre way?

Seems like most series, even the more highly praised ones tend to deal with cliches/typical tropes.

>>10284448
I've not read The Scar nor Iron Council yet, so I don't know if it gets touched upon in those, but IIRC he doesn't in Perdido Street Station

>>10284502
As mentioned above, warlock of the magus world blew my asshole open for the first third of the book.

The fantasy world needs a genuine sociopath mc who isn't just edgy or full of grief.

>>10283110
Transcending the Nine Heavens has the same antagonist for about 350 chapters, which is the longest I've seen in chinese web novels, or at least the longest where he actually does stuff, and has his own plans, and isn't just there to get fucked by the mc.

Would you consider him a good writer? Why/why not?

>>10284514
>blew my asshole open for the first time
I would go to a doctor if I were you. Boys who get their assholes blown out usually start to enjoy it and join the lgbt board.

>Why do we not use our lore to lighten toil, alleviate pain, prolong life? Why do we stand aloof? Why do we not transform the human estate into a Utopia, a task well within our power?
>The answer is simple—perhaps deceptively so. We feel these are false boons, that peace and satiety are akin to death. For all its rawness and cruel excess, we envy archaic humanity its ardent experience We hold that gain after toil, triumph after adversity, achievement to a goal long sought, is a greater beneficence than prebendary nutrient from the teat of an indulgent government.”

>its a Shallan pushes her ungloved safehand into black tar episode

>>10284609
So Brent Weeks had foot fetish in night angel trilogy and now Sanderson has hand fetish in stormlight.
What's next? Face/mouth fetish in some not-Muslim book like warded man?

faggots

>>10284676

>>10284670
Sanderson probably has a lot of repressed mormon lust. He might just eventually go full degenerate and have ahaego Shallan fuck an Unmade into submission.

>>10284708
>*storms storms, you're so big*
>show me the peace sign shallan
>*peace*
>tell me what you're doing
>*I'm letting you suck my safehand fingers while stuffing me deep in my mating parts*
>distant disembodied pattern voice saying "no mating"

>>10283360
>>10283590
I've never been more disappointed in a genre than Cyberpunk, it doesn't help the authors are among the most hypocritical people I've seen, even Rowling isn't this much of a champagne socialist.

Taravangian best boy

>>10284902
>merely pretending

>>10284791
There was this guy making a pixel art socialist dystopia game and people were SEETHING that he called it cyberpunk. Cyberpunk is ONLY about corporations because corporations are the biggest evil in the universe.

>>10284928
I'm confused, do people not know under socialism corporations still exist?

I'm writing a science-fantasy novel from the viewpoint of an MLP pony set 500 years after the show. It will have a heavy focus on trans-humanism, told mostly in the context of a romance between a pony and an AI. It will take place in a rust-world universe, old and decaying, and long after the ponies themselves ascended to the stars after a post-apocalyptic turning point in their history.

How much do you hate me?

>tfw I prefer this to all other works of the cyberpunk genre

>>10284902

Just finished this. It was good.

>>10284447
Why is that?

>>10285058
elves

>>10285059
but elves are cute, anon.

Are there any books with that Demon's Souls/Dark Souls/Berserk type of atmosphere?

>>10285059
Are you angry? Angry about elves?

>>10285119
Yes, It's called ultra-generic gothic fiction.

Should I read the Malazan Book of the Fallen first, and then the other Malazan books, or the 3 prequels first, or what?

>>10285137
No

>>10285145
What order then?

>>10284942
I don't hate you. You will never get anyone to read it.

>>10285023
Why you lying? The golem wasn't spread eagle by the jhinn

>>10285119

>>10285137
Malazan first. You can read Kharkanas, Esslemont books, and Path to Ascension in whatever order you want after that.
Dancer's Lament is actually the best novel in the entire series.

what fantasy series has a good homo relationship between two important characters.
nothing written by women please.

what fantasy series has a good mistress/slave relationship between two important characters
nothing written by men please

>>10285202
LotR

>>10285214
>>10285202
i think you are samefag

There are any good books that are somehawt magical realmy but have good plots?
Akin to sanderson's books

>>10285438
WoT I guess
>implying WoT has a good plot
It does, it just suffers poor execution during the latter half

>>10278848
>Just finished this, thoughts?
Has a philosophical zombie ever been a great man of history?

>>10285500
I love WoT, the problem is i already've read it.

>>10285522
That's pretty much it. Come back in a century and we might have another series or two of comparable length

>>10285521
Read Echopraxia next.

>>10285546
dont have to be a series
or are you really saying that the only fantasy books with romance are wheel of time and this last serie of sanderson?

>>10285119
Claymore manga

Are there any versions of zombies or ghouls that are repelled by common household stuff the way vampires are by garlic?

>>10285521
edgy as fuck

Dalinar is the man with nine shadows. The "9 shadows" are the other radiants under his control

Anybody piece together Dalinar's "excerpts" from the start of each chapter? Would be nice to read all coherently.

>>10282784
it's intentional (as evidenced by the fact that Sanderson has no problem writing humor for all the other characters) - Kaladin even calls her out on it

>>10285619
Anita Blake, Felix Castor, etc
Repel zombies with salt.

>>10284708
>Sanderson finally has his enlightement, realizing that the golden plates and sheep in pre-Euro America are bullshit
>turns the series into a full, blown modern "dark and gritty" degeneracy
>overcompensates the years of repression by making Shallan tak 5 dicks with 5 different personas at once

>>10285650
fuck, I was hoping for something other than salt. I don't want ghost repellant and zombie repellant to be the same thing.

>>10285666
okay, probably a dumb suggestion, but what about chocolate for ghosts since chocolate is supposed to help with dementor attacks?

>>10285666
Dresden Files and iron druid chronicles also touch on zombie repellent. Although I can't remember much. It wasn't a full plot about it.
I think graveyard dirt and some type of weed. Some book I read years ago had people mixing a bunch of basic shit to ward zombies.

Anita Blake was the forefront of zombie fantasy novels. I would suggest reading up to obsidian butterfly(8th book??). A few things well are touch on before that, after that book it becomes a sex novel. Not erotic, it's a full fuck series. Look at pic related a review of her 24th book to see what it has become.

>>10285689
First Anita Blake is the GOAT urban fantasy novel imo

>>10285666
>fuck, I was hoping for something other than salt
Wait... it's not novels you want.. It's ideas about zombie repellent?
Follow the anons advice. Gravedirt, but not from graveyards, it could be dirt from anywhere where something died. Being a zombie they would be attracted by the living and repelled by the dead.

Ghouls would be something else. They eat the dead, so maybe use something of life to repel them. Maybe tree sap from a certain tree.

>>10285646
>imblying he would do that

what's preferable

>real setting in the real world
>fictional setting in the real world
>fictional setting in a fictional world world

>>10285864
third option
i read fantasy to stay away from reality
it doesnt need magic but just by seeing contrys with names of our world country makes me close the book

>tfw you realize you feel more comfortable showing your writing to 4chan than to your mom because if anon says it sucks you can just assume they're an asshole

>>10285023
fuck man, that's one of my favorite books. I want to reread it as soon as I'm done with worm

what's the best way to write, with details so that the readers can better self-insert in the scene, or more vague so that the book doesnt drag on?

>>10286010
If a book has too many details my eyes glaze over

>>10286028
i find it tiring too but i love reading, and then imagining the scene, with details you can be sure what you imagine is as the author intended it.
Truly i wished fantasy books were like Japanese LNs, with drawings to illustrate important parts.

*quips wittily*

>>10286062
*unsheathes safehand*

>>10286076
hehe...nothing personnel...kid *develops multiple personality disorder*

>>10286042
This, I need detailed hi res pictures of a woman desperatly trying to keep her safe hand hidden from a group of faceless old men.

>>10285969
I have the same problem anon, unfortunately amateur author generals get dinged on just about every board.

>>10285119
Book of the New Sun

>>10285646
But the Dustbringers are Vargo plants and the Skybreakers straight-up defected to Odium.

>>10284543
Yes, solely because of the Manila chapter in Cryptonomicon.

Migrate
>>10279208
>>10279208
>>10279208