/lit/ - Literature

>>10251371
what are you doing on reddit?

>>10251371
>redditors being dumb fags who take things too seriously and talk about shit in their 'lol4chan ebil and dumb!!!!" echo chamber

wow I am so surprised

Who gives a shit? You finding/probably posting this is far worse.

Also its funny that they heard about our favorite booktuber.

>A lot of it is memes, you should see how they discuss a lot of those works and the authors.

>And its suggested by people who harass women reviewing books on youtube to the point of shutting down their accounts.

Why is this Lamont-Cranston so mean?

>>10251418
>he says while taking this too seriously and talking about shit in his ">tfw to smart4plebbit" echo chamber

>>10251467
>4chan
>echo chamber
Anyone who says that is fucking retarded. By the very definition 4chan isn't an echo chamber. Reddit on the other hand is the poster child for being an echo-chamber. They got shit that equates to banning you on /a/ if you ever posted on /b/. Then users will dive through your comments to find shit you posted years ago in order to smear you. Reddit is shit and no one should take them seriously.

>>10251467
>implying I give a shit about anything
haha joke's on you everything I do and say is ironic and I have no reason to live anymore

>>10251487
>4chan is not an echo chamber
I didn't even know a single person can be ""this"" new.

>>10251487
>everyone posts material that reinforces their views and denounces opposing thought
This is 4chan

>>10251504
>>10251502
Call me when certain thoughts that don't break rules become banned on sight. While we're at it go ahead and define what an echo chamber is because last I checked people aren't getting banned for having leftist views on /pol/ or for not liking Witcher 3 on /v/. I think you're conflating "People disagree with me" to "Help, I'm being silenced for my views"

>>10251514
>it's the I called someone a cockgobbling numale niggerkike on /r/politics and evil nazimods banned muh non-rulebreaking freespeech episode

>>10251514
https://youtu.be/qdC_Cu9X4wc

>>10251525
>He says while there are entire communities on reddit that are "safe spaces"
Go ahead and post about why communism is wrong or capitalism is the best economic system on latestagecapitalism and see what happens. You can also post why Trump isn't a great president on T_D and see what happens. Go ahead and do that on /pol/ and see what happens. Notice a difference.

>>10251527
Janitors/mods don't reflect the board and have been a major issue with the most recent drama being the Neogaf situation on /v/ that required Hiromoot to step in and the Loli's being banned on sight on /a/.

>>10251543
Triggered

>>10251576

>>10251543
>the chess club threw me out after I started throwing pieces and shout about mahjong being a superior game
>what absolute safe space newmale fags lmao

>>10251587
Fine, let me refine my example. Go on /r/politics or /r/political humour and post anything right-wing and see what happens. Go on /pol/ and post anything left-wing and see what happens. You get downvoted/banned into obscurity on reddit and the shitposting that results on /pol/ makes you stay on page 1 where everyone can see what you've said.

>>10251587
>the chess club threw me out after I won against the autistic leader and told him that maybe he shouldn't always start with a sicilian opening

>>10251594
>neither case yields any productive discussion or substantial opinion exchange
>b-but at least all the cookie-cutter memepics keep my shitpost visible!
If you actually believe 4chan is not largely an echo chamber, especially at this day and age, you're either very new here or very new in this world - most likely both seing as your main reference points are /a/, /v/ and /pol/. Different groupthink doesn't mean the absense of groupthink, friendo.

>>10251587
Worst analogy ever

>>10251617
>Productive discussion or substantial opinion exchange
That's the entire fucking internet dipshit. Even in person that's how it is. In hobbies there are a lot of productive discussions and exchanging of opinions but in politics that never fucking happens outside of debates and even then it's not productive but instead just exchanging opinions.

Unless you define what an echo chamber is we're not going to get anywhere. Go ahead and be detailed in your definition.

>>10251371
>>10251487
>>10251525
>>10251594
>>10251543

How come you guys know so much about this here Reddit-thing?

>>10251642
>An echo chamber is a metaphorical description of a situation in which information, ideas, or beliefs are amplified or reinforced by communication and repetition inside a defined system. Inside a figurative echo chamber, official sources often go unquestioned and different or competing views are censored, disallowed, or otherwise underrepresented.
I'd attach a pol infographic, but don't have a fitting one.

>>10251655
I'll post from the view of /pol/ since every other board is pretty much diverse in opinion
>Go unquestioned
False. While there's questions as to whether the dissenters are trolls or actual leftists there are opposing opinions. On top of that people questions sources all the time because of the current political climate of "anonymous sources"
>different or competing views are censored, disallowed
Also false. I can post about how communism is great and Trump is shit and not get banned.
>underrepresented
This is true but not by any systematic force. /pol/ just scares people through no direct actions of their own. While there are leftists and libertarians along with all sorts of ideology on /pol/ they're just minor when compared to "alt-right"

>>10251654
I personally go on the art subreddit. One thing reddit has are the niche subreddits that 4chan lacks.

>>10251655
Is the infographic about how /pol/ reinforces the persecution complex of its user base?

>>10251684
>there are opposing opinions
So? That's not even a contradiction to the premise. The grand common narrative stays everpowerful the same.
>I can post about how communism is great and Trump is shit
You can do that on general political subreddits just as well.
>true but not by any systematic force
The nature and cause are irrelevant. Groupthink is groupthink.

>2 is Shakespeare
Seriously?

>War and Peace that low

>>10251725
>So? That's not even a contradiction to the premise. The grand common narrative stays everpowerful the same.
That wasn't in your definition. Stop moving the goalpost. Not once was this "common narrative" once mentioned.
>You can do that on general political subreddits just as well
That's because those are the main stream opinions. If you posted right-wing opinions you'd get downvoted which results in your views being hidden and therefore censored. A good test would be to go on any political reddit and search by controversial. Almost exclusively right-wing views. 4chan does not have such a sytem. You get called a faggot at worse.
>The nature and cause are irrelevant. Groupthink is groupthink.
Groupthink that cannot be questioned and is sysmetically enforced is completely different from groupthink that results due to lack of opposing users due to their lack of interest in engaging. At this very moment you can post whatever controversial views or opinions on /pol/ and you won't get censored. You're being disingenuous by making no distinction between the two as it's vital in the context of being an echo chamber or not even if the end result is the same.

>>10251688
>the art subreddit
so, /ic/?

Arkady Swinorylov
Iskander Hachovskii
Lyosha Dobrolubow
Juri Mamleev
Alexandr Smokovsky

>>10251775
>information, ideas, or beliefs
>this is not a narrative! <logical fallacy>! heh
Yes, my mistake, I forgot I was talking to a poltard.
>hidden and therefore censored
Censorship is removal of content. All the comments stay.
>two identical situations are completely different because they have different causes!
Really activating the almonds. As already stated: the fact that you can collect some free (you)-votes through contrarian bait does not imply the absence of groupthink and echo chamber effect in any way.

>4chan is an echo chamber
Anyone who thinks either hasn't used this site or, ironically, is being a contrarian.
You can say literally anything here and there will always be at least one faggot who'll tell you you're wrong and retarded. Only exception is possibly /pol/ but I never use that board.

>>10251851

Why are you doing this? Do you feel in charge?

>>10251371
>troll neckbeards
Aren't we nearly all just frustrated art students? I hate 4chan sometimes, but why can't people come up with better insults that aren't a staple for every corner of the political chart meme for the opposing side?

>>10251895
Most people just think of /b/ or /pol/ when they think of 4chan. Not the differences of browser between /a/, /fit/, /lit/, and /o/.
We're all autistic, though, just with different focuses.

>>10251895
They're redditors
It's the place the "holy... i want more..." text came from

>>10251371
>>10251744
>>10251772
This is what happens when a bunch of discord faggots make their own top 100 and stamp /lit/'s name on it, disgusting

>this is /lit/... from 4chan - it's populated by angsty young white men obsessed with Catholicism and Jordan Peterson
>tfw he's not completely wrong

>>10251895
STEM. I doubt many people here study humanities.

>>10251688
I agree with this but you got something against /ic/?

>>10251917
I do. :( Have I just been talking to STEM pseuds this whole time? They know more than me anyway.

>>10251909
What's the problem, though? I mean it's still full of shitty memes and heavily skewed towards babby tastes of a basic bitch monolingual anglo prole in his first year of some Midwestern-US diploma mill shithole, but otherwise it's much better than your typical /lit/ list full of entry level novellas and bildungsromane.

>>10251933
Other than the fact there's no Lolita or russian lit apart tolstoyevesky, it is rather similar (albeit no lolita is inexcusable)
The real issue is they call it a /lit/ chart for 2017 when they really made it halfway through the year without even making a vote. Call it whatever you want, but it isn't /lit/'s 2017 chart.

>>10251884
>Yes, my mistake, I forgot I was talking to a poltard.
Ad-homs will get you nowhere.
>Censorship is removal of content. All the comments stay.
Censorship is not just removal of content and this statement proves you're just being disingenuous. The karma system disincentives unpopular opinions and downvoted puts your post to the very bottom of the thread where users will have to manually click to see what you posted. That is censorship, you can't argue otherwise.
>Really activating the almonds. As already stated: the fact that you can collect some free (you)-votes through contrarian bait does not imply the absence of groupthink and echo chamber effect in any way.
You've proven that you do not grasp what an echo chamber is. Anyone can voice their opinions on /pol/ and everyone is heard equally. You're saying because there's lack, though not absent, of participating for other sides due to no fault of /pol/ that it means /pol/ is an echo chamber and that's just false because no one is being silenced or censorship'd off and opposing views can still be posted and said. You can go on /pol/ at this very moment and see that threads start with an opposing view and in the threads there's 1-3 people arguing for one view point and everyone else for the other. That's how most of the big threads take off. You can see that if you bothered to look at /pol/ for more than a few seconds. It seems that you won't accept that /pol/, and by default 4chan, isn't an echo chamber unless every view point is equally represented.

>>10251684
>go on /pol/
>post a well thought 10 lines text on the capitalism's fault and possible solutions from a communist's pov
>either no reply or "show flag", "1 id post", attacks based on geo flag, anti-commie memes, etc.
>1 in 100 reply is a well thought rebuttal
>90% of catalog is "a black/jew/woman did/said something, lets stroke our dicks while we say how much better we are"
>"guyz at list uir not esgeedabliu"
freedumb of speech at his finest

>>10251929
Well, I am. Never even touched joyce and even enjoyed a book by murakami. Don't tell the others, they'll say mean things.

>>10251847
Lots of pretentious twats and the guide on reddit is generally better for me though I use both.
>>10251976
That's every single fucking board and isn't even something related to echo chambers. You can make a "How great capitalism is" and you'll get the same treatment but opposite: Canadian/meme flag posters saying how bad it is and posting pro-commie sources and a lot of general shitposts. In fact do it right now, I'm pretty sure the thread will just die.

>>10251976
>no fun allowed
That's just board culture. Often you'll get a decent reply to a decent post. If you don't you're still not censored.

>>10251980
I'm sad I fell for the Joyce meme, got every book before I decided he was only lauded for his difficulty. Not saying he isn't good, but I've encountered so many people who want to say that long word from Finnegans Wake in front of me to show off.

>>10251989
>That's every single fucking board and isn't even something related to echo chambers.

an echo chamber is a place that reinforce the user base's preconcieved notions. You don't need censoring to create an echo chamber.
Facebook or YouTube's alghoritms create much more perfect echo chambers than any censoring could possibly do.

>>10251953
>define echo chamber
>alright it's the same narrative relentlessly circlejerked while opposing viewpoints are underrepresented
>HAHA POL IS NOT AN ECHO CHAMBER BECAUSE YOU CAN POST WHATEVER YOU LIEK EVEN THOUGH 90% IS STILL THE SAME SHIT
Fuck me, it feels like talking to a 14 year old who just discovered demagoguery last Thursday.

>>10251895
>>10251917
Frustrated humanity student reporting in

>>10251910
>tfw not white and sick of peturdson cult
>still catholic
Reddit are such shitlords

>>10252008
My English is decent but I won't even try. If I feel the need to read something difficult I pick something in my mothertongue, not like German has a lack of writers.

>>10251998
why do you think censoring=echo chamber?

>>10251910
>>10252038
peterson was pushed by /pol/ migrations, it'll blow over eventually and he'll be forgotten

>>10252038
>tfw not white
Stopped right there. Get off my board, shitskin thirdie.

>>10251371
....not a single author of African descent. good going. i guess toni morrison, zadie smith, ralph ellison, james baldwin, and richard wrght aren't fucking worthy? who would even post this racist shit?

reddit is full of mouthbreathers who think that because they read the selfish gene, their opinion on anything matters.

also if I remember correctly their top 100 list that was posted on here once unironically had Harry Potter in it.

>>10252041
Because it often goes hand in hand. Dissenting opinions will get you more replies here, even if its mostly meme ones. Try posting that 15% nigger story thread on /r/books and you won't have much time to find out how the userbase reacts to it.

>>10252047
Is it even possible to be more comfy than the niggermouse in your pic?

>>10252042
I really hope so man, it so fucking frustrating opening the catalog and see just polbait shit
>>10252044
Make me

>>10251654
r/kaiserreich is the only place you can discuss the mod, /gsg/ is literally comatose

I will never understand what you people see in The Recognitions.

>>10252048
>Because it often goes hand in hand.
Facebook change what you view based on likes, posts, friends, etc. to give you a reality's perception as close as possible to your needs and desires.
Is Facebook an echo chamber?

>even if its mostly meme ones.
people need to engage a different point of view without the usual three layers of irony and memes or it's kinda useless. Or do you think boomers going around repeating red scare's propaganda are engaging the communist's ideals in any kind of meaningful way?

>Try posting that 15% nigger story thread on /r/books and you won't have much time to find out how the userbase reacts to it.
I'm not saying Reddit isn't one

Last year's list was way better.

>>10252110
agreed

>>10252110
The 2017 one people are posting is fake

>>10252110
>Ulysses 1
>Infinite Jest 3

>>10252124
board culture, I haven't read either but I'm ok with them being there

>>10251371
it's r/books
not r/literature
r/books is where you go if you can't read but like pretending you can

>>10252126
>I haven't read either
Then your opinion doesn't matter, dumb faggot.

>>10252013
>echo chamber and insulated community is the same thing.
A take over of a userbase on 4chan happens quite frequently.

jesus plebbit has fallen this hard. There are less discussions on reddit literature board compare to here. Also their comments are all sterile, I can't fucking stand it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/literature/comments/7ajiye/the_first_woman_to_translate_the_odyssey_into/

>>10252013
>wah wah I am bullied because I voiced a different opinions on a community I hate
Welcome to real world bud. It is a pretense that everybody is polite and worthy of discussions.

>>10252199
>For instance, if the original language has the word "red" we can translate the word as scarlet, rose, cardinal, ruby, vermillion, blush, burgundy, etc. Choosing from the list of possibilities and reading the choice in a sentence can change the meaning for the reader.
thanks for reminding me why I don't ever use that site

>>10252094
>Is Facebook an echo chamber?
I think people have been making a distinction between this (filter bubbles) and echo chambers lately
>people need to engage a different point of view without the usual three layers of irony and memes or it's kinda useless. Or do you think boomers going around repeating red scare's propaganda are engaging the communist's ideals in any kind of meaningful way?
People have the chance to engage with these posts without their usual three layers of irony. Just because most of the time they don't do so doesn't mean they've created an echo chamber. Toxic behaviour to outside opinions isn't the same as making it difficult/impossible to voice them to begin with from a technological standpoint.
>I'm not saying Reddit isn't one
Neither am I. I'm just trying to make an example with a recent funny thread from this board since someone was complaining about the other guy using /a/,/v/ and /pol/ as example. If you turn it around you could make a thread on /lit/ about stephen king, jordan peterson, harry potter or someone a bit less controversial like murakami and you'd probably start a rather long thread. Even though most of the userbase will kindly tell you to go drink a cup of bleach some people will give you the chance of a reasonable discussion. The userbase rejecting certain ideas to various degrees, acting like an immune system to foreign material, shouldn't be put on the same level as making it impossible to state foreign ideas to begin with.

>>10252042
Nobody other than retarded liberals complaining about him on Reddit care about Peterson, not even /pol/.

>>10252252
explain the fact he's constantly shilled here and occasionally on /fit/ and /r9k/

>>10252270
one or two autists with to much freetime and a lot of morons that keep bumping the threads? Kind of like the guy that keeps spamming russian names, just with more endurance

>>10252270
It's just reddit roasties well poisoning, they did the same with Moly.

>>10252283
That was ironic shitposting and could be quite funny desu, wasn't too overdone anyway
>>10252282
The russian names spam is different, peterson threads are proper shills from somewhere (maybe not /pol/ but definitely not /lit/) and every time I go in those threads there are people who are really praising him as the second coming of Christ. It'll end eventually, sooner better than later.

>>10251487
Joyce is a fucking autistic retard. Let's see how many people echo the same opinion and attack me.

>>10251371
That's a big cat.

>>10252338
For you

>>10252023
You are a fucking idiot.

Echo chamber:
>five guys all standing around talking about cars
>cyclist comes up and starts talking about bikes
>the five car guys beat him up with batons until he can't talk and then put him in a dumpster out the back

Not an echo chamber:
>five guys all talking about cars
>cyclist comes up and starts talking about bikes
>they talk to each other for a while
>at the end the car guys still like cars and the bike guy still likes bikes

You seem to be saying that /pol/ is an echo chamber because right-wing voices dominate the discourse and you're unable to change the views of the posters. That's not the definition of an echo chamber. /pol/ may not present you with a lot of contradictory content, but it won't protect you from contradictory content once its posted. That latter feature is the defining feature of an echo chamber. They filter out contradictory content to ensure that all you hear is an echo of your own opinion. /pol/ doesn't do that.

>>10252473
This. 4chan's always full of people arguing about all kinds of shit. You don't get banned for having the "wrong" opinion on something.

>>10251371
Next time, it will be one hundred pictures of The Man Without Qualities.

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The dissonance is beautiful here. To read the people reifying [4chan] to the degree of personhood is hilarious. Redditors are all idiots.

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Thanks for Afternoon.

Reading this thread and the comments on Reddit made me realize everyone is a fucking retard except me

>>10252480
>You don't get banned for having the "wrong" opinion on something.
If you believe that you should try posting on /tg/.

>>10252553
if that's what it took you to realise this then you're not an exception pal
o n e o f u s

>>10252553
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZuktUfF0nE

>>10252557
I'm just a shitposter like you but those Reddit dudes genuinely care about the discordfag troll list. Imagine actually saying any of these things outloud

>>10252570
Yeah it's pathetic, one person even called the list racist because there were no african authors.

>>10252581
i'm pretty sure that was a troll, but who am i to judge

>>10252581
But what is more pathetic really, retards taking things way too seriously or retards laughing at them? There's no way to win being involved in any of this - or any single topic for that matter because someone smarter than us will be watching an drew laughing at us. I'm going to move off the grid to northern Montana to live alone with no electricity to escape the demons of this pseudointellectual world.

>>10252589
>tfw you are the smartest person looking down and laughing at all of you
Heh.

>>10252591
Jordan Peterson is sharing screenshots of your posts with Zizek and boy are they havin a giggle at your expense.

>>10252595
I'm having a hearty chuckle in my empyrean brainlair right now. Don't mind me.

>>10252609
>don't mind me
>mind
Wej (that's the intellectual version of lol, surely you've heard of it?)

>>10252626
笑う

>>10252634
Fool.

>>10252642
wwww

@10252646
I sent you a brainwave message. Surely you are smart enough to have received it..?

>>10251371
fuck off discord fags. nobody cares about reddit or your shitty list

>>10252654
I only respond to (You)s

>>10252229
>I think people have been making a distinction between this (filter bubbles) and echo chambers lately
How so (not being sarcastic)? I've always used them as synonyms

>Toxic behaviour to outside opinions isn't the same as making it difficult/impossible to voice them to begin with from a technological standpoint.
But the end result is the same. Why is it different if a narrative get enforce by the userbase rather than some mod/alghoritm?
It still ends being an echo chamber after part of the userbase have been driven away.

>The userbase rejecting certain ideas to various degrees, acting like an immune system to foreign material, shouldn't be put on the same level as making it impossible to state foreign ideas to begin with.

Dunno. Probably I'm biased since I fell for the "on pol you can discuss every idea" meme and faced the rubber wall of infographics, "the source you cited had an half jewish great-great-grandfather so he's all part of the plot", ad hominen based on wichever flag your using, etc.
Then you go to the catalog and see the same threads months after months. I mean bashing americans with the 56% meme is funny and all but ehhh

>>10252473
> /pol/ is an echo chamber because right-wing voices dominate the discourse and you're unable to change the views of the posters. That's not the definition of an echo chamber. /pol/ may not present you with a lot of contradictory content, but it won't protect you from contradictory content once its posted.
pol is a very fast board. contradictory content get washed away rather fast.

>That latter feature is the defining feature of an echo chamber.
No it's not.
from wikipedia
>An echo chamber is a metaphorical description of a situation in which information, ideas, or beliefs are amplified or reinforced by communication and repetition inside a defined system. Inside a figurative echo chamber, official sources often go unquestioned and different or competing views are censored, disallowed, or otherwise underrepresented.
>or otherwise underrepresented

>>10252713
Ask yourself if anything you just typed out matters at all

>>10252713
If this was an echo chamber you would have been banned for arguing that it was an echo chamber.

>>10252110

>Jerusalem by Alan Moore

*yawns* stale meme you got there kiddo...

>>10252713
echochambers are what you described first ((sub)reddits or arguably 4chin/imageboards in general). They are created by people with similar/identical interests/views barring out opposing ones. Filterbubbles are created by algorithms, filtering the flow of information to what they deem relevant for the user, possibly isolating him from other relevant information. One describes the specific behavior of a conglomerate of individuals, one the limited flow of information towards one specific individual.

I think that boils down to equality of opportunity to equality of outcome. It's not the same thing, even if the end result is the same/similar (mind you, i don't claim that it is). Here you can state whatever you want, on reddit your post will get downvoted or even removed for dissenting information. To add to that, dissenting information here is often "rewarded" with more replies, even if they're ironic it makes the post more visible (compared to hiding it at the bottom of the page with downvotes). If you want to spend some time in the clusterfuck that is /pol/ you'll see that blatant bait threads that heavily dissent with the percieved general political ideology there get to the bump limit all the time. The rest is just /pol/ being /pol/. Of course it's not accessible, if you want to get something out of it (if that's possible at all, maybe from the heavily specialized subcommunities with high burden of entry) you'll have to spend more time there than is healthy. But it doesn't have to be acessible to not be an echo chamber.

>>10252894
I'll make it clear that I'm just butting in on this discussion, but I disagree with your saying /pol/ isn't an echo chamber.
Even though bait posts are technically rewarded, especially on /pol/ it's usually ragebait that serves to reinforce the echo chamber. For example, they'll post an article on a law being passed for trans bathrooms in public schools. This makes everyone respond "muh jews", "muh trannies", "muh mental illness", so even though in theory it's supposed to be a contradictory opinion, the only non echo chamber "opinions" ever posted on /pol/ are actually just ragebait that serve to reinforce the echo chamber. Also sometimes you get stupid arguments on "who is white" or similar topics where you get divided opinions but that's an exception.

This is from my experience with /pol/ but I haven't browsed the board in years and even when I did, it was mostly to bait and shitpost (I'm australian). Even that got tiresome since being surrounded by those opinions constantly is just wearing.

>>10252939
but a homogenous userbase doesn't constitute an echochamber as i understand it. You can still state whatever you want. Besides that the userbase isn't even that homogenous and various subgroups advocate for policies with quite drastic differences. But lets shove the special /pol/ case aside and go back to 4chan/imageboards in general. If you take /lit/ as example as i tried to state earlier it's easier to dismiss the 4chan is an echochamber argument i think.
>>10252229
>d you could make a thread on /lit/ about stephen king, jordan peterson, harry potter or someone a bit less controversial like murakami and you'd probably start a rather long thread. Even though most of the userbase will kindly tell you to go drink a cup of bleach some people will give you the chance of a reasonable discussion. The userbase rejecting certain ideas to various degrees, acting like an immune system to foreign material, shouldn't be put on the same level as making it impossible to state foreign ideas to begin with.

>>10252981
4chan as a whole isn't an echochamber, anyone who thinks this is stupid.
One quick look at any board with a topic proves this. I still think /pol/ is a very specific but also important exception to this rule, after all I'd say it's unfortunately the most important board at the moment.

>>10251371
who cares?

>>10252110
2015 was the last good list

Jerusalem being that high in 2016 is a fucking meme. It literally came out 2 months before the polling. and the results were cooked for 2017 by some faggots on discord

lmaoing at all of them tryng to figure out why books are liked here

>they dont have lolita on there arent they all pedos!?
>pale fire is only there because blade runner!!
>they only like gene wolfe because memes!

>>10252981
I don't think you can compare pol to the rest of 4chan. The user ID being visible make it much more similar to a regular forum. It's no longer a free flow of information and idea but individuals arguing with each other

>>10252728
I'm on 4chan on a friday night. Do you really think I care?

>122 replies

>>10251371
Someone did point out that there is no Delillo which I did not realize, but I find it shocking. He’s better then le pynchman in my opinion.

Top 20 of their top 200 in their sticky

1. The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams. (UP:1443 | WS:2210 | Total:3653)
2. 1984 by George Orwell. (UP:1447 | WS:2090 | Total:3537)
3. Dune by Frank Herbert. (UP:1122 | WS:2140 | Total:3262)
4. Slaughterhouse 5 by Kurt Vonnegut. (UP:967 | WS:1750 | Total:2717)
5. Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card. (UP:931 | WS:1680 | Total:2611)
6. Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. (UP:1031 | WS:1530 | Total:2561)
7. The Catcher in the Rye by J. D. Salinger. (UP:907 | WS:1320 | Total:2227)
8. The Bible by Various. (UP:810 | WS:1230 | Total:2040)
9. Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson. (UP:603 | WS:1220 | Total:1823)
10. Harry Potter Series by J.K. Rowling. (UP:1169 | WS:560 | Total:1729)
11. Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert A. Heinlein. (UP:610 | WS:1090 | Total:1700)
12. Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman! by Richard P. Feynman. (UP:483 | WS:1130 | Total:1613)
13. To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee. (UP:473 | WS:1070 | Total:1543)
14. The Foundation Saga by Isaac Asimov. (UP:519 | WS:960 | Total:1479)
15. Neuromancer by William Gibson. (UP:449 | WS:960 | Total:1409)
16. Calvin and Hobbes by Bill Watterson. (UP:664 | WS:710 | Total:1374)
17. Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Diamond. (UP:455 | WS:870 | Total:1325)
18. Catch-22 by Joseph Heller. (UP:402 | WS:880 | Total:1282)
19. Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert M. Pirsig. (UP:388 | WS:890 | Total:1278)
20. Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse. (UP:466 | WS:790 | Total:1256)

>>10251514
Censorship isn't the only thing that can create an echo chamber. An echo chamber can also form when a community just reaches such a state of radicalization that everyone who isn't on board gets disgusted or sick of arguing against gish galloping idiot hordes and leaves.

>>10251514
witcher 3 is goat and there is literally nobody on thje planet who didn't like it, all posters whosay they don't are smarketing shills

>>10251929
hello STEM pseud here :D

ps I work as a bartender

>>10251929
I don't think it's majority STEM but there are a lot here. /lit/ and /sci/ actually have a lot of cross-over too.

>>10254856
is this real? I feel like it's satire
Isn't calvin and hobbes a comic series?

>>10254856
I watched the hitghhikers guide, it was dumb and boring would not read

>>10254950
Of this whole list C&H is one of the best actually.

>>10255011
dune's good, but it pales in comparison to the subsequent dune novels

>>10252110
the stranger on 13?
can anyone tell me wtf is so great at that book?

>>10254856
Almost close enough to be a don't read list

>>10251489
right there with ya buddy

>>10254856
>include a comic book
>mockingbird
>fucking harry potter
>ender's game
>hitchhiker
>include the bible which most of them probably have never read

>>10254856
I hope you made this up for the (you)s.

>>10254856
feyneman is a self aggrandizing fag and if you like him ur a wannabe fag

>>10254856
LiteraIly reddit: the list

>I grew up on 4chan, and while there are a lot of memes and in-jokes here, I think there's much more micromanaging on reddit. Subreddits on almost anything you could think of and a reputation system so shitpost(er)s are swept to the bottom.

>I think reddit is the new "cool kid's club" of the internet. Instead of saging posts, condemning tripfags and saving all of the pictures, it's just a lot of clicking links, up/downvoting, etc.

>I suppose regardless of wherever you frequent, however, you'll always need to lurk moar.

i like the cat

>>10254886
This.

Meta on /qa/ only.
All meta discussion of boards is to be redirected to /qa/.

>>10251487
it really is this easy to make redditors swarm, huh

>>10251587
on point

>>10252124
>posting rape gifs

>>10256000
laugh at reddit threads are not meta

>>10256000
Who the fuck wants to browse meta to find /lit/ info?
Censorship ruins this board.

>>10252939
>For example, they'll post an article on a law being passed for trans bathrooms in public schools. This makes everyone respond "muh jews", "muh trannies", "muh mental illness"
Because an article isn't an argument you fucking tard.

What are they supposed to reply with?

If you go and make a compelling argument then people will generally engage with it. They may not be polite and their arguments will be full of fallacies and retardation but they certainly won't shy away from actually engaging with it as best they're able.

And if your arguments are actually good they will catch on, because the peanut gallery of lurkers will see them and repeat them eventually.

>>10256655
No serious arguments that go against the /pol/ narrative are ever posted on /pol/ nowadays.
What I described is the only example you'll find of a view that doesn't follow the echo chamber of that board.

>>10253429
fuckin gottem

>>10252728
we're all just, like, piles of cells man
as Freddy Mercury once said, nothing really matters

>>10256689
after the strike on that syrian airfield the userbase was split between "lmao fuck those sandniggers up" and the old ron paul guard calling for non interventionism

>>10256000
kys cuck

>>10252555
What the hell did /tg/ ban you for? Arguing in a metathread about quests?

>>10254856
Hahahahahahahah

>>10251599
https://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2014/01/13/Man-admits-to-eating-landlords-heart-following-dispute-over-chess-move/9621389638286/
he meant to eat his heart but it was his lung

>>10252252
I enjoy watching his speeches as a sort of laid back activity and I found out about him through YouTube, not 4chan. (And I don't really talk about him or meme his shit much on any such Nigerian Mashed Potato Recipe forum.)

>>10254856
Harry Potter > Calvin and Hobbes > Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance > The Brothers Karamazov

Seems legit

>>10256000
You seem like an un-chill faggot.

>>10251487
>4chan isn't an echo chamber

Too bad any non-majority opinion on here gets lambasted

Good thing meta threads aren't allowed, Redditors.

>>10254856
Top 21-50 of 200

21. The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins. (UP:403 | WS:830 | Total:1233)
22. Godel, Escher, Bach: An eternal golden braid by Douglas Hofstadter. (UP:400 | WS:790 | Total:1190)
23. Tao Te Ching by Lao Tse. (UP:334 | WS:770 | Total:1104)
24. House of Leaves by Mark Z. Danielwelski. (UP:347 | WS:720 | Total:1067)
25. The Giver by Lois Lowry. (UP:429 | WS:630 | Total:1059)
26. Crime and Punishment by Fyodor Dostoyevsky. (UP:264 | WS:680 | Total:944)
27. Animal Farm by George Orwell. (UP:367 | WS:550 | Total:917)
28. A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn. (UP:266 | WS:580 | Total:846)
29. The Lord of the Rings by J. R. R. Tolkien. (UP:254 | WS:550 | Total:804)
30. Ishmael by Daniel Quinn. (UP:265 | WS:520 | Total:785)
31. A Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawking. (UP:264 | WS:520 | Total:784)
32. Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov. (UP:249 | WS:530 | Total:779)
33. The Count of Monte Cristo by Alexandre Dumas. (UP:212 | WS:560 | Total:772)
34. His Dark Materials Trilogy by Philip Pullman. (UP:194 | WS:560 | Total:754)
35. The Stranger by Albert Camus. (UP:197 | WS:550 | Total:747)
36. Various by Dr. Seuss. (UP:235 | WS:500 | Total:735)
37. The Road by Cormac McCarthy. (UP:157 | WS:570 | Total:727)
38. Lord of the Flies by William Golding. (UP:247 | WS:470 | Total:717)
39. The Monster At The End Of This Book by Jon Stone and Michael Smollin. (UP:277 | WS:430 | Total:707)
40. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas by Hunter S. Thompson. (UP:224 | WS:480 | Total:704)
41. A Short History of Nearly Everything by Bill Bryson. (UP:241 | WS:460 | Total:701)
42. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep by Phillip K. Dick. (UP:270 | WS:390 | Total:660)
43. A Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez. (UP:169 | WS:460 | Total:629)
44. The Art of War by Sun Tzu. (UP:199 | WS:430 | Total:629)
45. How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie. (UP:228 | WS:390 | Total:618)
46. Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes. (UP:140 | WS:460 | Total:600)
47. The Hyperion Cantos by Dan Simmons. (UP:251 | WS:340 | Total:591)
48. A Confederacy of Dunces by John Kennedy Toole. (UP:108 | WS:450 | Total:558)
49. The Declaration of Independence, The US Constitution, and the Bill of Rights by Various. (UP:178 | WS:370 | Total:548)
50. Cat's Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut. (UP:194 | WS:340 | Total:534)

>>10255026
I just read it for the first time a couple days ago.
Really stuck with me.

There's a certain air to the novel, especially the protagonist, that rewards introspection on your own self philosophy.

Even though a lot of the time, arguably not much happens, it was still incredibly engrossing

>>10258570
>The Declaration of Independence

>>10258617
dude that's like my favorite book

>>10258627
>>10258617
After a long hard day of work I like to come home and relax to the sweet prose of the Declaration of Independence

>>10258631
Lets do this:

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth...

>>10251525
But was the cockgobbling numale niggerkike offended? That's the main problem.

>>10251976
That graph needs reference graphs for general phoneposters share, and general growth of user base.

>>10251895
The reddit-normie side of internet likes the idea that those who posts on 4chan are neckberads, trolls and russians.
Most people I know equates 4chan with /b/ and says "4chan? isn't there just gross stuffs on there?"

>>10251543
> Go ahead and do that on /pol/ and see what happens
On Reddit you'll be banned and on /pol/ you'll be spammed with ad homs and insults. It isn't really much different.

>>10251895
What a stupid way to dismiss the list.

>>10258616
Sameanon here. Also I red it 2 years ago so I may have forgotten smth
To me it didn't seem like the novel "rewards introspection" but rather an active participation in your own life. Meursault is passive as heck. He is literally a victim of fate, of the circumstances which brought him to the guillotine, which is pretty absurd desu, and I regarded the moment from the end in which he opposes the priest's tentative to convert him as the moment he "regained" control over his life.
But either way, the reason I found it boring was exactly this one; for the most of the part nothing exciting happens in the novel since Meursault is largely absorbed in his inner life, which is as boring, if not MORE boring, than his outer life, just cause he's like an empty cup of nectar waiting to be filled by, dunno, his friends, the old man with the dog, even "the sun in his eyes".
But I might be just another brainlet who misunderstood Camus.

>>10252047
Our own Top 100 had Harry Potter a few years ago.

>>10251895
If you use 4chan you are by definition a "troll" and anything you say is labelled "trolling" and will be ignored.

>>10254856
>16. Calvin and Hobbes by Bill Watterson. (UP:664 | WS:710 | Total:1374)

Comic books are literature now.

ha

>>10258570

>anything by Dawkins

WEW fucking plebs

>>10252314
>crickets

>>10258998
That category error is far from the most objectionable thing in the top 20, considering that C&H is at least a good comic strip. The real joke is that most of that list is required high school or intro liberal arts college reading and that most of the rest is mediocre genre fiction.

The crown jewel is that Siddhartha and the Bible made it, while no other classics, or even anything written before the 20th century did. These people have literally never read anything not forced down their throats or pandered specifically to them.

>>10251371
kitty

>>10254856
>8. The Bible by Various. (UP:810 | WS:1230 | Total:2040)
Now I know where the christfags on this board came from

>>10258951
>On Reddit you'll be banned and on /pol/ you'll be spammed with ad homs and insults. It isn't really much different.

there's a big difference

shitlibs like you always fail to see it, though

>>10256689
>No serious arguments that go against the /pol/ narrative are ever posted on /pol/ nowadays.
Nobody else has an obligation to make your argument for you.

Besides, I post controversial views quite frequently and have semi-regular insightful discussions with people.

I finally why understand why i despise this board. You cunts are nothing more than delusional Liberal ideologues who were exiled from Reddit for your anti-progressive view and bought the '' 4Chan is a freedom of speech platform '' meme. The freedom of speech you fucking retards seek literally doesn't exist. Not on 4Chan, not anywhere. Get fucking real, if Hiromoot ever decides to make an upvote/downvote system here. Any point of view that is remotely Left-Wing will get utterly bombarded with downvotes. This website doesn't engage in popularity censorship simply because it can't. Not because it doesn't want to. 4chan is just as much of an ideological ghetto website as Reddit is. The cancer that 4chan spreads is just the type of flavor that you like, unlike that of Reddit's. Don't try to lionize and glorify this website as some sort of Free Speech platform. It's just a forum to discuss Japanese cartoons and it's pornographic parodies. Mill Stuart's ideology doesn't exist. It's literally illegal to even question the numbers of the Holocaust victims. The West moans about how Muslims force their women to wear veils then go on to ban them in their own countries. Regardless of whether the Muslim women wants to wear to them, or not. Christians are forced to bake cakes for homosexuals and priests are forced to marry them in church out of pure spite.
Criticism of the behavior of modern day women will get you utterly bombarded with Ad Hominem like questioning your sexual life and virginity. As if that refutes your argument.
Mills version of freedom of speech is bullshit Utopian nonsense. People are willing to tolerate ideologies they agree with, or are neutral too, but will never tolerate ideas they truly despise.

I finally understand why i despise this board. You cunts are nothing more than delusional Liberal ideologues who were exiled from Reddit for your anti-progressive views and bought the '' 4Chan is a freedom of speech platform '' meme. The freedom of speech you fucking retards seek literally doesn't exist. Not on 4Chan, not anywhere. Get fucking real, if Hiromoot ever decides to make an upvote/downvote system here. Any point of view that is remotely Left-Wing will get utterly bombarded with downvotes. This website doesn't engage in popularity censorship simply because it can't. Not because it doesn't want to. 4chan is just as much of an ideological ghetto website as Reddit is. The cancer that 4chan spreads is just the type of flavor that you like, unlike that of Reddit's. Don't try to lionize and glorify this website as some sort of Free Speech platform. It's just a forum to discuss Japanese cartoons and it's pornographic parodies. Mill Stuart's ideology doesn't exist. It's literally illegal to even question the numbers of the Holocaust victims. The West moans about how Muslims force their women to wear veils then go on to ban them in their own countries. Regardless of whether the Muslim women wants to wear to them, or not. Christians are forced to bake cakes for homosexuals and priests are forced to marry them in church out of pure spite.
Criticism of the behavior of modern day women will get you utterly bombarded with Ad Hominem like questioning your sexual life and virginity. As if that refutes your argument.
Mills version of freedom of speech is bullshit Utopian nonsense. People are willing to tolerate ideologies they agree with, or are neutral too, but will never tolerate ideas they truly despise.

>>10251502
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>>10251684

I browse /pol/, /biz/, /sci/, /lit/ and /fit/, and i disagree with the general sentiment on every single on of the boards (except /sci/ ofc). The thing with 4chan is that people tend to reply to stuff they disagree with, which gives more disagreeable stuff more ccoverage, where as reddits vote system sends stuff the majority agrees with to the top.

Reddit's system is the perfect echo-chamber, since as soon as a board has a majority opinion, only that opinion will be displayed.

>>10260172
You should lurk here more, it may help you express your views more clearly and succinctly.

You unmitigated faggot.

you gais think thats funny! you should see what they did over at buzzfeed!! what rankings these fools!!! and dont even mention not counting the rbi, amirite!?

>>10251525
>unironically defending reddit

>>10251976
If you're looking for discussion, I'd recommend you to visit another, more obscure imageboard website, filled with less people. Even though they may be a tad bit slow, the discussion there is usually very serious and candid, never abstaining from the topic.

>>10251371
>Funny to see Kazuo Ishiguro so well represented on here considering this image was made before the Nobel Prize was announced, I believe. Maybe equally surprising is the lack of Murakami.

This can't be fucking real.

>>10251371
>no "kill me, pete" posts
This place is dead

>>10260172
>This website doesn't engage in popularity censorship simply because it can't.
Then we're agreed.

You fucking retard.

Nobody is defending /pol/ as a place of intelligent discourse. It's being defended as a place of FREE discourse - and it is free, compared to plebbit.

The rest of your post is irrelevant and retarded.

>>10252046
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