/lit/ - Literature

Just finished the time machine. Good read, shorter than I thought. I loved Wells' way of describing scenery and atmosphere; descriptive but not pretentious. As I was reading about the eloi and the morlocks(?), I feel as if he meant to portray a moral lesson about aristocracy and those below them but more often, I found more similarities to modern day progressives and how the world is slowly becoming like the elois.

Did I miss something?

>I read fantasy

>>10224341
>I read

>>10224341
>>10224380
I

>>10224341
>>10224380
>>10224385

>>10224341
Noone here reads because life is a simulation so nothing is real. Checkmate.

Boy do I love themeless editions...

What are your opinions on modern horror?
Do you think there is too much "Lovecraftian" horror?
Opinions on Stephen King?
Opinions on other horror authors? Clive Barker? Ramsey Campbell? Thomas Ligotti?

>>10224339
You are right about the aristocracy themes. IMO Wells' best novel.
Have you read Jules Verne?
Both are actual dinosaurs, not young whippersnappers like Vance or Wolfe.

>>10224475
I have not. I hate to admit it but The Time Machine was the first fictional book I've read since high school; 12 years ago.

Where should I go next?

>>10224437
>What are your opinions on modern horror?
stale and unimaginative
>Do you think there is too much "Lovecraftian" horror?
overdone indeed.
>Opinions on Stephen King?
hack that lucked out a few times.
>Opinions on other horror authors? Clive Barker? Ramsey Campbell? Thomas Ligotti?
some are good some are bad. either way having more authors increases the likelyhood something good will emerge from the pile of shit.

>>10224526
What interests you? I could give you some pointers.

>>10224599
Well the time machine was great, couldn't put it down. I also loved the Hatchet in school but not exactly sci-fi. Someone mentioned Dune before and it seemed interesting.

I'm pretty open to most things except high fantasy for some reason. Just not that interested.

>>10224606
If you're going to go into Dune, take a look at this chart.

If you haven't read in a while I suggest you take a look at shorter novels, such as The Stars My Destination, Lord of Light, or The Martian Chronicles.

>>10224543
What's your favorite period then?
Turn of the century, with Bram Stoker, Arthur Machen, and Robert W. Chambers?
Pulp era, with H. P. Lovecraft, Clark Ashton Smith, and William Hope Hodgson?
The 40s and 50s, with Richard Matheson, Ray Bradbury, and Shirley Jackson?

>>10224654
honestly yes. pulp era was the one that appealed the most to me. but then again. the first ever real horror books i read were shadow over innsmouth and the king in yellow.

>>10224475
>Vance's latest novel came out in 1994
>Wolfe's latest came out while Donald Trump was running for president
I don't know why anyone acts like they're dinos.

>>10224678
Excellent taste monsieur. I personally have a soft spot for the 40s and 50s for sffg in general.

>>10224722
Because one is old and one is dead?

>>10224741
Moorcock is old and Banks is dead and Pratchett is both but you don't see anyone calling them dinosaurs.

>>10224756
...except they do.
All the time.

>>10224642
Oh awesome, thanks a bunch. I saw some guys here crapping on the series but I get the feeling they were just being 4chan contrarians. I'm definitely going to check this out.

>>10224865
Cool.

>>10224722
>>10224756

The golden rule is: if the author is older than your mum, he's a dino.

>>10224606

>>10225061
So REH and Lovecraft aren't dinosaurs?

>>10225090
Just a thought: Have you ever considered making a blog and giving a review to each of the books on your chart? I'd be interested in reading it.

>>10225090
Why do people shill the blade itself so much

I liked it as a teenager, then reread it a few month ago (in english this time), and while it does posess certain qualities, Abercrombie tries so hard to go for the 'muh dark muh edgy & gritty' thing that all his characters end up being caricatures of themselves and the plot really contrived, and the final reversal he just pulls out of his ass.

>>10225102
No idea who REH is, but Lovecraft is a dino. My mum is old, but not that old.

>>10225108
I thought you were talking of the physical age they reached. REH is Robert E. Howard, who shot himself at 30.

>Peter brett has kids fucking now
So trannies, cp, cuckolding, ss, femdom, virgin, rape, anal, inpregnantion, birth, tomgirl, tomboy, incest,
What other tags does brett have in his books?

>>10225241
piss-soaked eunuchs?

Which writers are the best at taking you 'out of time' with their prose, that is at writing a narrative/dialogue that is removed from contemporary lingo? Apart from Wolfe and his tricks.

>>10225304
I know it's a meme but the original Dune got it right. Herbert was a genius.

>>10225313
Yeah, Dune was good at that.

Thinking about reading man in the high castle.

Any good?

>>10225328
Dick's a shit writer and a visionary

>>10225304
Read song of susannah recently and I suppose King did an ok job there with that kind of thing even if some of the mannerisms are directly lifted.

>>10225348
How are you finding the Dark Tower so far?

>>10225348
I stopped reading Dark Tower at book two, it was the most contrived piece of shit like all of King's work.

>>10225304
TWO's prose is anything but contemporary.

>>10225354
It's hard for his characterizations not to get under the skin, especially Roland but his villains always for me end up cartoonish. Having said that SoS did work for me as a tragedy and in general I've been enjoying the series more as it's went on despite some of the allusions to other literary works being way past on the nose.

This is with sporadic progress over the years but I might just knuckle down and finish it before 2018.

>>10225338
can you expand on this?

>>10225328
>>10225338
High Castle is his best-styled novel though (it was the only one that was properly edited, and it shows).

>>10225423
He's a shit prose stylist with some great ideas, like refrigerator DLC in Ubik

Whenever he paints a scene with multiple characters I have a hard time to muster any sort of interest in the narrative itself and the dialogue is downright terrible.

>>10225424
But I find it among the least interesting of his ideas.

>tfw you finally get stuck into the writers mind set and begin producing quality work

>>10225523
Post a sample for us anon

>>10225523
hit us, nigga

>>10224341
i me

>>10225241
>/ss/
Elaborate.

What is the Titanfall of literature?

Any of you bros read The Three-Body Problem by Cixin Liu? I just finished it. Fucking loved it.

>>10225090
Dude I just finished the Bloodsong main series. Are the spin-offs worth it? I got kinda worn out by the end and the ending of the last book left a poor taste in my mouth.

>>10225597
dropped after the 2nd book with no regrets

>>10225601
If I had it to do all over again I would have too.

>>10224339
Wells was a socialist / communist, so yeah.

He interviewed Joseph Stalin.

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1934/07/23.htm

>>10225102
>Just a thought: Have you ever considered making a blog and giving a review
goodreads is my city

>>10225577
Leasha paper's whore mother and the son of Steve

Need a name for a fantasy drug. Something you can grow. Preferably a berry.

>>10225697
Khulatine, derived from khula berries

>>10225697
Paralladat
Sharmanot
Twissdif

>>10225590

Read it about a year go. Sometimes I think 3/5; sometimes 4/5. very solid. I appreciated it more for the modern/cultural revolution contrasts than for the Centauran world.

Also the premise is somewhat silly. "We can't find a closed-form solution to a large, 3-mass system" durr just solve it numerically...

The coolest part in my mind was the "construction" of the proton AIs; and in particular the failures much more than the successes.

>>10225640
Yeah I saw that he was a socialist, which is why I thought it was interesting. Perhaps it's me being a paleolibertarian that's making me have a bias and twisting it for my own world view

>>10225703
Thanks

I also need a name for a tribal civilization / language / capitol city, the names of which are all related

>>10225736
Twil/Twi/Twilo

Holy shit this was way better than I expected.

Also
>tfw you never live in high-technology space habitats governed by a nigh immortal benevolent dicatator whose sole goal is moar science, disregard money and politics

>>10225717
Yeah, same. For a few paragraphs I thought the construction accidents would be the "twist", with the Trisolaran "invaders" actually fleeing from the extradimensional beings they'd unleashed.

>>10225490
>But I find it among the least interesting of his ideas.

It was a much fresher idea in 1962. And while it might be below average from him, it's far from his worst.

>>10224328
Is The Book of Dust any good? Is it better than His Dark Materials? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Belle_Sauvage

>>10224328
I'm reading The Forever War by Hoe Haldeman right now. I think I'm at chapter twelve, there about to fuck some space ghost, coast to coast style.

>>10225955
I've been meaning to read that so maybe I'll start now. Fallen Dragon was a fun read.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6468594-fallen-dragon

>>10225527
>>10225564
Sorry anons, you'll have to wait for the final product.

Which will be spammed here endlessly until anons literally shit themselves.

>>10225685
Gared was a good dude, getting manipulated by the paper roasties most of his life

Just finished the Broken Empire trilogy. I really enjoyed it, but did anyone think the ending could have been done slightly better?

The last book in general was definitely the weakest of the three, which is a shame because King was excellent.

>>10225984
Is one book better than three? No. But it’s pretty good. Worth it if you like HDM

>>10226510
I'm inclined to agree. The good news is The Red Queen's war is overall a better series imo.

Some short stories collection called Road Brothers also just got re-issued with more content but never read it.

>>10225955
I live on the Great North Road, does it represent newcastle well?

>>10225588
Underappreciated but excellent?
The Thing Itself

>>10226865
Made me laugh harder than it should of
Doncaster reporting in

>>10225588
what is the BattleTech of literature?

>>10226182
Only one was manipulating him. And that same one manipulated their daughter into accepting the cucking of her father, and the hints to also cuck her own spouse. At least gared married an actual whore now that wouldn't share, so thats good. And she doesn't look like she would mess up a good thing by cucking the new baron.

>>10227014
Boy I sure do love me some philosophy with my giant mech robots nuking shit.

>>10224543
Who is a good horror author in your opinion?

>>10227153
The book is already a pop-culture reference, what's your point?

>>10227117
Iron Gold fucking when?

>I can't write while DRUMPF is President

Is this going to become a regular thing for authors?

>>10227267
https://whatever.scalzi.com/2017/10/02/2017-word-counts-and-writing-process/
Yes.

>>10227274
This is so repulsive to me, and I can't even articulate why.

>>10227267
He's right about one thing. He certainly can't write.

>>10227267
Did he really say that?

>>10227267
Is there a bigger meme fantasy author?

>>10227329
rowling.
>hermoine was never white

>>10227267
>>10227274
Odds on them being rapists? They are male feminists after all.

>>10227343
Theu raped my brain while reading their shitty books if that counts.

I've read very few book in my life. I've read Guardians of Ga'Hoole, the Abhorsen trilogy, the God of Clocks books, Battle Royale, like 5 Halo books, House of Scorpion, The Hobbit, and Bram Stoker's Dracula. Out of all of these, the ones I enjoyed the most were the Abhorsen books, but I want to move on to something for an older audience that gives me the same feeling of adventure and has something new and interesting like the distinction between Charter and Free magic. I'm not even sure /why/ I liked them, as I'm not good at understanding that sort of thing, but I know I'd like more stuff like them.

>>10227451
>I've read Guardians of Ga'Hoole, the Abhorsen trilogy, the God of Clocks books, Battle Royale, like 5 Halo books, House of Scorpion, The Hobbit, and Bram Stoker's Dracula

>>10227451

>>10227451
Pick something and enjoy.

>>10227451
>reading books

>>10227494
hey FAGGOT. spotted something wrong with your list

No Simak.

So for >>10227451 's sake. Mentally add every book by Simak onto that list, and then forget everything else and read a Simak book.

can I get a retardation check on an idea?

AU noir story where instead of banning alcohol, prohition banned caffeine.

>>10227518
Could be neat. I'd probably lose interest it it was more than a short story though.

>>10227494
ignore this autist

>>10227520
just because it doesn't sound retarded enough yet, hear me out.

The coffee ban primarily affects people who work with their minds, i.e. scientists, engineers, doctors, etc. A scientific culture built on taboo is one not limited by cultural inhibitions of how scientists should operate or what they should study.

Basically you have underground scientists engaging in mad science

>>10227575
Forget caffeine, nicotine's where it's at. Write about how our cultural tobacco taboo is keeping our knowledge workers from hitting their potential and abandoning many of them to schizophrenia.

>>10227632
That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. I'd sooner write about cocaine

>>10227638
What, you think the generation that took us to the moon was addicted to cigarettes because they got memed on?

It's a nasty drug and tobacco is a nasty substance but it was at least as effective for people who work with their minds as caffeine.

>>10227518
I like it, but please don't have that be the main premise. It is not enough to write a book about, it is a minor detail. Make other changes, make it a legit alternate history thing. Don't have that as the only change.

And yeah I get the changes that would cause with the mafia, but instead of making things more interesting, they would be less interesting than how things actually shook out irl.

>>10227638
https://psychcentral.com/news/2013/09/08/nicotine-therapy-for-schizophrenia/59285.html

>>10227479
>>10227484
>>10227509
Haha, memes!

>>10227575
>A scientific culture built on taboo is one not limited by cultural inhibitions of how scientists should operate or what they should study.
This is true, but IRL mad science isn't as sanitary or fun as you might hope.

>>10227267
>>10227274
I'm legitimately starting to suspect these two suffer from mental illness.

Just finished Book of the Long Sun. Did not particularly like it. I found it to be more like your standard sci-fi novel, as opposed to BotNS' dreamlike, picturesque qualities. Looking forward to BotSS, though.

>>10227267
>>10227274
sickening

>>10227143
wait
it is "cucking" or literal cuckold?

>>10227117
I did not understand.
What happens in red rising?

>>10227267
While I don't believe The Doors of Stone will ever be finished please tell me he didn't say that

Any book with a Magus? Magus in that they are not simply wizard, they are fucking badass wizard who is very superior to other humans.

>>10228056

Fantasy DBZ fan-fic?

How would someone write a fantasy with a strong female character where you wouldn't consider it "hurrrr, SJW writing"?

>>10228037

Not much world-building. Heavy on action. Continues throughout basically.

Space opera.

>>10228240
The expectations of the reader that it turn out to be SJW shit would color their impression of it. In effect, it cannot be done.

>>10228240

I'd put forward Elizabeth Haydon's "Rhapsody" cycle as an example. It does, from time to time, smell a bit like a trashy romance novel; but only briefly.

>>10228246

You're saying that a strong female character cannot be done without making you react in terms of anti-SJW bias?

>>10228256
Unfortunately, yes.

>>10228250

What's it about?

>>10228258

Is that not a reflection of your own inherent biases? I'm not saying you hate women but if you're saying you can't see one in a position of strength in a novel, particularly a fantasy one, how does that make you different from a misogynist?

>>10228266
Possibly because the character itself doesn't bother me, but the motivation behind the writing, or my inability to separate the work from the author. Yes, it's a reflection of my biases.

>>10228261

Stumbling blindly into Great Events. Traveling with Highly Questionable companions. Being a plaything in Political Intrigue. Overcoming Total Failure. Gaining subtle but Immense Power. Finding and exploiting a Lost Race. Building and defending a Great Empire.

There is (elemental) magic -- so that aspect of fantasy gets a check-mark. There is also a small bit of Obvious Love Story is Obvious.

I'd put it at a solid 4/5. Worth a binge.

>>10228240
C.L. Moore wrote a sword wielding warrior woman in the Jirel Of Joiry short stories for Weird Tales in the 1930s, without merely making her a big titted Conan. Jirel is a capable fighter but not superhuman; instead, other and more feminine qualities are emphasized. Dogged determination, ingenuity, and the vengeful will to overcome a male captor/villain (no woman scorned etc.) The stories tend to be formulaic but the characterisation is never corny or overwrought or overly compensating; admitting differences in gender and exploring possibilities within them.

>>10228285

Fuck, i'll check it out.

>>10228286

Sounds interesting. A lot of people on /lit/ start sperging out as soon as they see a woman in a position of power, either martial or magical, but I like the idea of a woman fighting to achieve her goals in a male-dominated world.

>>10228240
I dunno, just write them as a realistic person, warts and all. Strength can come in all kinds of different forms

>>10228273
Not the OP, but when you mention being unable to "separate the work from the author", it seems you presuppose that the author in this case would be female. If the author of the book in question were male, and there were no indications that the motivation was "SJW-related", would that prompt a different response from you?

Also, do you have the same bias issues with non-fiction stories featuring strong female characters?

>>10228295
That's a lie and you know it, people; /lit/, don't like badly written characters that exist solely for pandering and that's currently what most "woman in a position of power" characters are, a counter example to your claim is the Lady, who /sffg/ loves.

>>10228409
I think by separating the work from the author he doesn't mean a necessarily female author as much as an author who is writing a female character out of obeisance to the social justice cause rather than out of the needs of the story.

Non-fiction with strong females tends to be completely different from fictional strong females. The Sanderson crew mock questions about writing female characters, instructing authors to simply write as she were a man and then change pronouns, but while such characters may be female they are hardly feminine. It is a rare non-fictional woman who is as un-feminine as these creations.

Who wants to talk about Magical Quantum?

>>10227762
Did you enjoy the hammering?

>>10228501
I honestly loved that book for the depiction of rising and falling industrial civilizations more than for the many worlds magic.

>>10224328
>reddit

>>10228030
Aren't they one and the same? Cuckold is the person being cucked, cucking is the action of making someone a cuckold.

>>10228514
If we were interested in the opinion of redditors then that's where we'd be.

I think the best way to make a strong female is make she believable, if she is a farmer who had to go adventure make her have problems with the whole strong thing, since men dont like unfeminine woman, make her get stronger, or make her get a ugly scar.

>>10228030
Literally yes to both. The paper family are all terrible people, despite Watts’ attempts to say otherwise

>>10228501
>tfw not in a math

>>10228508

Agreed. As well as the diversity of the maths. And such a great job with much of the physics that it's was a disappointment that it even tried to 'explain' the many-worlds "praxis".

I thought that these were some of the best characters I've read, too; even the bit parts. One of the few books I recommend at 5/5 to spec-fic/worldbuilding fans (4/5 for others).

There is any modern "Epic Poem Fantasy" alike to tolkien's works?
Also, why is this sub-genre of fantasy not more popular?

>>10228615
It's very difficult to write and read, actually following what's going on in pages upon pages of a epic poetry requires a study guide.

>>10228650
Really?
I've read silmarillion when i was 15yo and did not find hard at all.

>>10228659
Now try with a more traditional epic poem like The Faerie Queene.

>>10228666
>not reading the alliterative morte

>>10227648
>generation

The nazis took us to the moon, everyone else sat around jerking off.

What's more JUST in western fantasy? Isekai or X Academy?

Also, is JUST short for "just fuck my shit up senpai" or did the homefucks start it?

>reading the core
Who the fuck is deryck?
Who the fuck is count brian?
Did brett insert characters that weren't in his previous books?
Where the fuck did he come from?
Did brett edit him in after finishing the book and didn't realize that he magically appeared in that room?

>>10228728
It's from just fuck my shit up.

>>10228710
>The nazis took us to the moon

The nazis thought that physics was a Jewish conspiracy to delude the Aryan Mind. German rocketry was based off of stolen research from Robert Goddard. (when Goddard first saw a captured V-2 he initially thought that the US had secretly built a rocket using his plans)

>>10228877
I believe that the anon was talking of Wernher von Braun, but he might have just been a contrarian.

I've been trying for two years now. How the fuck do I come up with a plot?

>>10228939

Steal one. That's what most authors do anyway.

>>10228877
That's zionist propaganda, the germans have always been autistic when it comes to all fields of math.

>>10228927
You are gonna have to steal one then anon

What's your story about?

>>10228989
Meant for
>>10228939

>>10228877
bullshit.

>>10225061
Are you guys 12 years old?

>>10227518
18th century sweden.

>>10228989
long story short, an unwitting demi-abomination runs away to the big city after his mom dies to avoid being stuck in an orphanage/boarding school and get wrapped up in a mysterious war.

Issue is, I can't decide where my mc is supposed to be spending his time. The only ideas I can think of that seem close to right are that he either winds up in the same boarding school he was supposed to attend by mistake, or in a diner

>>10229138
First day huh?
The pain passes, eventually.

>>10228771
>Who the fuck is deryck?
Wasn't he the chad that cucked arlon and took his first qt library bf?

>>10228877
But Hitler was a jew... A jew was running the nazis, their belief in physics is irrelevant

>>10228989
The historic record says otherwise.

>>10229275
>>10228989
>>10228877
>>10228710


I don't understand why we still have all this antisemitism in this day and age.

With racism and islamophobia, I understand it. I don't like it, but I understand it. But antisemitism? We don't don't try to convert people to judaism, we don't have a reputation of rape, murder or suicide-bombing, we assimilate to the local culture, and the ones who don't mostly keep to themselves.

You could bring up the whole "jews control the financial industry" but that's literally something white christians did to themselves by outlawing banking for hundreds of years. Mind you most of us don't even know someone who works in finance. I grew up jewish in new york and the only person I know who works for a bank isn't even jewish

>>10229386
circumcision

>>10229415
localized anaesthetic

>>10229240
yes

>>10229386
jews are an easy scapegoat.

>>10229386
This is 4chan you... you Jew.
It's autism.
Memes.
>we assimilate to the local culture
Not historically. Unwillingness to assimilate was the cause of much persecution in biblical times. In modern times I suppose, due to the diaspora, most places have or (in recent history) had an easily identifiable community of jews. The "Other" is always a convenient target for a scapegoat.
You should probably leave here and do something more useful with your time, like grow a beard.

>>10229386
>be mexican
>literally know 0 jews in person
>the whole racism thing is a meme for us, we use our word for "nigger" as a term of endearment, or as a positive stereotype, like chinks being good doctors.
>Mario wearing a literal poncho and sombrero feels charming and cool
>Never understand americlaps obsession with "social issues"

I feel that in some strange way, your confusion and mine are very similar.

>>10229703
Algebraist is past his prime, but there is a quite a bit of hyperedge in his books so he might not be for you. Try Player of Games, or Feersum Endjinn if you like a challenge.

>>10229386
Most European Jews practiced crafts more than banking. Tailors, smiths, glassworkers, etc. It's a Nazi meme.

>>10224328
>tried to read The Algebraist
>edgy tryant torturing people in hyperdgy ways
>some guy turns himself into a fucking seal

Is Banks garbage?

>>10229703
Nope.

>>10227267
The guy is clearly a narcissist. What's worse here is that not only is he a narcissistic manchild, but he's blaming his inability to complete a book for children on someone else instead of taking responsibility. The same as GRRM.

>>10229777
It's context-dependent I guess. The world powers have more diverse populations, meaning that in Urban and suburban areas minority ethnic groups are large enough to have a community opinion rather than just an individual one.

I think one of the reasons things are so fucked up is that now the actual honest-to-god bigots are being introduced to a global community who appear to believe the same things they do even though for you guys it's less about hate and more about just that you don't have the need for these kinds of cultural rules. These bigots don't even realize they're talking to the people they hate, so they think you're in agreement with them and become convinced their views are in the majority, which makes them proud enough to create hate movements in their own countries.

As much as it sounds like I'm blaming you for my country's problems, I really want to thank you for pointing this out to me. It kind of helped me get a deeper understanding about how this stuff comes together

>>10229830
>things are so fucked up
Just relax an take life easy anon. Things are plenty fine. There is no actual upsurge in intolerance or anything. If you want hear about pervasive bigotry, then talk to your parents, grandparents, or other oldsters about it. I guarantee you'll hear some shocking stuff.

>>10229871
dude. I watched a neo nazi rally in the park today, In fucking manhattan on a college campus.

Even Fox is saying that hate crimes spiked 86% this year, and when fucking newscorp is admitting that racism is getting is worse, you know it's serious

>>10229386
>can't understand antisemitism

Come on anon, I don't even hate jews but I understand antisemitism.

On a personal level it's because jews are often frail and annoying, on a societal level it's because jews are often infiltrators.

There has never been a jewish country or invention, yet they dominate every society they infect by forming cabals that shang-hai all opportunities for advancement from non jews.

>muh white christian banking meme

That's a myth, the knight templar were famoud money lenders for example, it's predatory lending that white people discouraged.

>>10229878
Neo nazi rallies have been going on hearly since 1946 bro.

The klan had one million members at one point, it now has five thousand.

What you're seeing is fake hate crimes (lile that teenager from israel prank calling semites in america) increasing the number from like twenty to thirty two in total.

>>10229880
>There has never been a jewish country

Israel, Judea, roman-era Syria...

>or invention

The theory of relativity, coffee, chemotherapy, hypodermic needles, psychotherapy, ballpoint pens, jeans, VR

>>10229887
>like twenty to thirty two

827 in 2017 as of six months ago. Likely more since then

>>10229880
T. /pol/nigger

>>10229887
t. Brainlet

>>10229893
Not countries infected by jews, ones founded by them.

Not inventions stolen or applied by jews, fields of studies founded by them.

>Einstein myth

Ww2 propaganda, Einsteins work was jacked from a white dude who predated him by decades.

>hate crimes
>mfw I quoted bonglands numbers

Still mostly faked bro.

>>10229893
Stop feeding him por favor

>>10229878
>Even Fox is saying that hate crimes spiked 86% this year, and when fucking newscorp is admitting that racism is getting is worse, you know it's serious
The world won't end if you stop watching the news anon. You do realize that a newscorps business model heavily incentivizes controversies that whip the proles up into a furor? These people will then crave more "news".

I just finished up Book of the New Sun and want something light to read before tackling Urth.

Something along the lines of Starship Troopers or Old Man's war, nothing too serious.

Does /lit/ have any suggestions?

>>10229777
Is cholo the mexican n word?
Any sff released in kartel land that is translated into English? Must be GRI APPROVED of course.

>>10229919
I don't believe anything will come of this that will affect me personally, but if I still carry one relic of my heritage besides my hypochondria and my hoodless penis it's this: there's always someone, peace is more fragile than it looks, paranoia is preferable to a gold star and striped pajamas

>>10229910
anon, I don't know who you are, where you're coming from or why you have this hate and distrust. It's possible that you're being ironic, if that's the case then the people who most need to know are the ones least likely to be in on it. If not, I can only hope that you realize you're talking people – people like my mom who paints people's pets for a living, my grandpa who's still teaching engineering classes to highschool students in his 80s, my friend gabe who's going blind and and has found a way to make any word in the english language sound like sexual innuendo.

–––

anyway, I'm going to bed. See you all tomorrow /sffg/

>>10229954
There's no hate bro, just don't pretend like you don't understand where it comes from.

>>10229933
Go YA to cleanse the pallet, tamora pearce is my go to for campy shit in between depressing books.

>>10229910
>Ww2 propaganda, Einsteins work was jacked from a white dude who predated him by decades.
>We wuz scientist

>>10229933

or actual fucking Red Rising if you haven't

Anyone got the audiobook for The Shadow Rising (Wheel of time book)?
It's not on Mam or mobilism

>>10230085
Nevermind it's there in a torrent of the complete series

>>10228240
Write her from a traditional female role e.g a manipulative matriarch of a large family settling a blood feud through her sons.

>>10229386
People have a tendency to find patterns especially parts that "do them wrong". After that it's just confirmation bias.
E.g everything that applies to white privilege also applies to Jews. The current zeitgeist allows for anti-white sentiment but doesn't allow for anti-Jewish sentiment in polite company. On 4chan you just see the same logic applied to a different race. Similarly one could talk about black-privilege in the NBA but nobody does.
If you believe that differences in statistical outcomes for various races is down to collusion or preferential treatment (i.e you believe in white privilege) the same logic applies to anti-semitism.
If you do not you're constantly encountering people who do think so and think you're a racist/race traitor/cuck by not believing their conspiracy theories.

nigga this shit is kawaii as fuck.
i read it to my nephew and i couldnt stop smiling almost every paragraph.
gimme similar adorable books.

>read Raymond E. Feist's Riftwar Saga
>pretty mediocre, at best
>read Daughter of the Empire, a tie-in story he cowrote with some woman author set parallel to Riftwar
>actually pretty compelling fantasy politics thriller with lots of sex
What the fuck? Where was Feist keeping all this talent? Or is it all Wurts' doing?

Did we get linked to from Reddit again? or are we being hit by another wave of refugees from Neogaf/Resetera?

>>10230165
He got published way too early, his later work is better but held down by the shit setting and characters.

>mfw that spy and his daughter get eaten because the invading hordes don't speak their launguage

>>10229981
>>10230045
I ended up going with Wrexler's Thousand Names. Conpared to BotNS I'm blowing through it, but it's very enjoyable.

How is Terms of Enlistment anyway? I picked it up a while ago and it's been sitting on my backlog since.

>>10228240
Write a gay character then rewrite them as female at the end

>>10230165
I didn't like Daughter of the Empire.
It was the book that made me realise /sffg/ has shit taste and that recomendation images are full of memes.

>>10227192
There isn't a single giant mech robot in TI, you're thinking of Palmer's Wild Ride: Episode III: The Wheel to Beetle

>>10227192
The Thing is one of the few good non-lit scifi escapades alongside Alien and literally nothing else

>>10230230
Terms of enlistment is pretty good I think
The author spent some time in the military so all the army stuff is written well
The aliens that show up are pretty cool as well

>>10230045
Doesn't that kloos person write 40k novels?

>>10230275
>It was the book that made me realise /sffg/ has shit taste and that recomendation images are full of memes.
Take that back. The only persons hating on my charts are the ones that don't read and just try to meme people. When you get into an argument that doesn't have the answers on a wiki they get quiet.

>>10229386
let's look at the history of palestine region...
until 4th century jews were majority, 5th to 12th century christians were majority, 12th century to 1948. muslims were majority
palestine 1517. - 1946. - < 30% of population is jewish (in 1517. it wa 1,7%!!!)
palestine 1948. - 82,1% of population is jewish
jews did EXACTLY the same thing muslims do today and you understand islamophobia, but not antisemitism... nice meme boy

>>10230763
to add to this post. the jews as a people and religion have been kicked out of every major country they have tried to inhabit for over 3000 years now. back then people didnt accept kikery and just eliminated problems by their cause. once they managed to dig their claws into isreal though things changed.

>>10230793
that can be said for every religion ever if they are not a predominant religion in that country

>>10230851
true. but its been exceedingly a big point with jews.
there isnt a recent culture that you can point to that has had bad dealings with the heebs.

>>10230861
hasnt had*

>>10228240
Write an older woman who is openly maternal. Femininity is a part of the character, rather than writing a shrill man with tits.
Ellen Ripley in the Alien movies is a great example of a strong female character who never comes across as some preachy SJW fantasy.

>>10230861
>there isnt a recent culture that you can point to that has had bad dealings with the heebs
hmmm... palestine, iraq... anyone close to "israel"
it's absurd... like mongolia sending people to romania claiming their teritory because they were there 800 years ago

>>10230872
>Write an older woman who is openly maternal
ara ara

>>10229386
>but that's literally something white christians did to themselves by outlawing banking for hundreds of years.
White christians outlawed usury, not banking. That meant only Jews could charge interest on loans for hundreds of years. That gives you a reputation for being greedy. Add that on top of Jews being naturally clannish and not assimilating into local populations, and the whole "chosen people" narrative of their ethno-centric religion, and it's not really hard to see why most people do not trust or like them very much.

Keep in mind most people did not know very much about the Jewish religion beyond what the Jews broadcasted to outsiders, which was mostly stuff that set them apart: they refuse to eat certain foods, have to have their own specially prepared stock of food instead. They can practice usury while Christians can't, but won't charge interest to fellow Jews. They don't attend church or venerate the holy days with the rest of the community (this one was HUGE in Europe for a long time).

All that just makes it very easy to be suspicious of them. It gives them an air of separateness, and it's easy to interpret their non-inclusiveness as a form of elitism.

>>10230275
It's not amazing or anything, but it's a marked improvement over what I have read of Feist so far. It's actually pretty readable in that I'm not constantly rolling my eyes at shit like in the last two books of Riftwar.

Just finished I Am Legend.

What should I read now?

>>10230757
Worst chart in a while. Well done.

>>10229933
NEVER, under any circumstances, read Urth before re-reading BotNS. You are never as smart as you think you are.

>>10230733
No

>>10231131
the stars my destination

>>10231131
Is Moreau any good? I've been meaning to read him.

>>10230763
Palestine was originally part of Judea. Emperor Hadrian of Rome decided to crack down on secondary religions so he gave the people of judea an ultimatum: convert, leave or die. Syria and palestine were made up of people who took the first option. The jews were the people who took the second. Everything that's happened with us since has been a result of this ultimatum. We haven't had a country of our own for over a millennia and a half and so every other country sees us as heathens who need to be converted or killed

>>10231060
the laws on usury banned the basis of banking as an industry. Banks make money on interest, which is what those laws banned. Without interest, a bank can only make money by incurring debts that can be called in at any time for their full amount.

>>10231397
How'd the Medici manage it then?

>>10231358
Most of what Wells has written in sci-fi is good. Read it, it's worth it.

>>10231397
I wonder what sort of event could have lead the Romans to alter their traditional live-and-let-live stance towards local religions - is there anything that could have provoked this?

Nah, probably just irrational anti-Semitism.

>>10231447
>what did the Romans ever do for us?

>>10231397
>the laws on usury banned the basis of banking as an industry. Banks make money on interest
This is false. Banks make money by investing the money given to them in commercial ventures and scraped a percentage off the top of the profit to keep for themselves. When you deal in a high volume of money those little percentages add up real fast and make you fabulously wealthy. Usury was not necessary for banks to make money as an industry, and banks were doing just fine without it.

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>>10231511
This is all meta-discussion about the one anon that thinks a story about Prohibition banning coffee would be cool.

>>10231397
>Emperor Hadrian of Rome decided to crack down on secondary religions so he gave the people of judea an ultimatum: convert, leave or die.
Convenient how you leave out this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish%E2%80%93Roman_War

Judea had a history of mismanagement under Roman authority and this made the Jews rebellious. Except unlike most other ethnic groups they refused to be cowed by the Roman war machine, they actually rebelled not once but twice, and inflicted pretty heinous destruction upon the Roman citizenry. So Roman tolerance for Jewish recalcitrance was at a historic low by the time Hadrian came to power, and he was willing to go against centuries of tradition to stamp out the Jewish menace in the east.

>>10231468
t. PFJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7tvauOJMHo

>>10224328
>fuckhueg buildings
>random pointy shit into the air
every time

Anyway what do y'all think of J.G. Ballard? Started reading his short stories lately, some of them are pretty nice (Waiting Fields especially). Others are a bit unsatisfying, for example the ending of the one with the little people in a miniature town (forgot title) was just shit.

Is there a good sci fi that envisions future where shitskins and chinks have taken over the world through sheer breeding capabilities and in turn brought upon a new dark age?

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Can we stay the fuck on topic? /pol/ and /bant/ are over there --->

On topic: can anyone recommend a good sci-fi/fantasy book written from the perspective of (someone living in) a diaspora? Not a wandering people, but one that's been scattered and has settled down as small parts of many different places.

What's some good Buddhist sci fi
Giant mandalas as spaceship consoles give me a boner

finished botns, uotns, lotr, silma, latro in the mist, cadwal chronicles, demon princes, tales of the dying earth

What do I read now, I'd rather not read more of their other work

Well, that was disappointing. All the religious shit near the end gets really grating. Don't think I'll finish it unless someone tells me it has a specifically great ending.

>>10232209
Chasm City
or Stormlight Archive

>>10232236
>sanderson
can't hurt to try I suppose

>>10232112
Reported for quotespamming.

Any comfy winter fantasy novels?

>>10232097
A lot of people liked Chung Kuo, which was about the Chinese setting up this massive stagnant empire and building megastructures all over the Earth and exterminating every other race except for BASED WHITES they kept around as soldiers and policemen. I couldn't get into it though.

>>10232223
If I recall correctly Marsman was right about everything and everyone who disagreed was totally wrong and he had sex with all of the ladies. If that sounds specifically great go for it.

>>10230230
Terms of Enlistment is generic but otherwise good enough. Guy joins the military, ends up in a war against aliens. So far at book 5 humanity has only just now united and started to push back against the aliens.

Notably it's mostly non-political for milSF, at most it's center-left by common milSF standards.

>>10232268
Face in the Frost. Cute wizards doing cute things, a very comfy wizard house. Also screaming terror but it somehow doesn't stop being comfy. Pretty short too.

>>10232209
Stapledon or CAS

>>10232268
top comfy for sure

>>10232097
Asimov's Nemesis envisions a future of earth overrun by Malthusian disaster while basically all the rich escape to orbit in ethnically pure, space agrarian settlements. Contains some casual racial slurs too, which i chink you'll appreciate

>>10232336
will look it up thanks

>>10232271
hmm ok

>>10232117
Haven't read it but maybe Lord of the Light?

Any good scifi/fantasy bookaroos with bollock abuse administered by cute girls?
No fanfic or erotica, just actual novels where it pops up occasionally (excuse the pun)

>>10232371
I don't think you'll find many non-erotica books that just casually mension CBT every once in a while.

>>10232362
iirc, Lord of Light is Hindu, not Buddhist. Still an excellent book though.

>>10232371
I'm sorry, but we don't have anything for you. Maybe in Infinite Jest or something?
Also are you memeing?

>>10225588
I haven't read it, but I heard Floornight is p. good and has mechs. By the author of The Northern Caves, which I liked a lot.

>>10232254
You do know that announcing your reports are bannable right....

>>10232477
It becomes Buddhist.

>>10232501
What if you just say you reported but actually don't?

hi /sffg/ I've gotten some really nice gems from you, and I've come for more guidance. I'm an atheist that nevertheless is enamored with the stories from the bible, the concept of sainthood, angels, and the whole DEUS VULT thing (in the romanticized sense, let's keep the politics of it out of it).

As such, I'd like a book about religious discourse. I want to see someone covert a person or a village without (too much) violence. It can be a short story too. I read "The Last Church" of WH40K and it read like fedora-tipping entry-tier atheism. Bonus points for going beyond the existence of literal god who smites you down and going for the philosophy of existence and what it means to have gods, mainly because fantasy tends to have characters we real humans would already consider gods (mythical creatures, wizards, etc.)

why can't we just be nice to each other?

>>10232477
>Also are you memeing?
Not at all

>>10232714
Because being nice is weakness and designates you as a bleeding heart with fetishes I like to shame while being mean sets myself up as the superior, wiser person that I am. Helping others should never be anyone's priority, and true freedom of mankind means being able to take another's freedom. My primary method of exposition is to make everyone who disagrees with me feel like total dogshit, so that they will adapt to my cynical worldview and slip a slope either left or right to more extreme views.

>>10232714
Because it's a lie

>>10232748
So would you be nice to me once I had adapted to your views and saw you as someone to obey?

>>10232754
what is?

>>10232765
Niceness is a facade.

>>10232748
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>>10232786
Cynicism is a meme worldview and you know it.

>>10232779
you sound like a sociopath who is unable to function in society and shouldn't be tollerated

>>10232791

I didn't ask the question which was presumably meant generally. Why can't we all just be nice then, a few bad apples?

>Actual /sffg/ discussion buried under political garbage and (hopefully) falseflag edginess
I'll wait for the next thread, I guess.

I like to write shitposts and then close the reply window without posting. It's just as cathartic as the real thing, but doesn't pollute discourse.

Is putting multiple addendums in a novel to address various subjects (recipes for the food porn, scientific notes, historical notes) a good idea?

>>10232819
Appendices are always fun senpai

>>10232813
>It's just as cathartic as the real thing
But then you don't even get the little dopamine rush when you submit a post.

>>10232827
I do. That's the catharsis I mentioned.

>>10232836
Stop polluting discourse.

>>10232651
It's literally what I'm writing.

>>10232810
What do you want to talk about? We can wait for the next thread together.

What are some stories that capture pure desperation in a character very well? A character that, while incapable of finding a solution to their problem, loses everything to make things right?

>>10232897
The Shield

>>10232905
Nachman Kataczinsky?

>>10232913
afraid not

>>10232918
>it's a vic finds out his kid has autism episode

Benfords Galactic center series is pretty kino

>>10232897
"A Tale of Two Cities", although desperation might not be the predominant adjective.

any fantasy of novels of a delicious brown girl being seduced by a white man?

>>10233491
Literally books 7 - 10 of Wheel of Time.

>>10233491
My diary desu

>>10233516
My dream journal desu.

>>10233491
Broken Earth series books 2 and 3.

What are some good stories about alternative universes? (that aren't just alt history shit)
I mean like the movie Coherence, though not necessarily exactly like that
No spoilers pls

>>10233534
>No spoilers pls
i.e. if it's not part of the initial premise I don't wanna know

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>>10233534
City and the City

What should I read if I really liked the Silmarillion but found LotR exceedingly dull?

>>10233582
the Bible

>>10233589
ngl I would like to read it. It sounds like there are some cool stories in it

>>10233582
Some of Dunsany's stuff is similar, especially The Gods of Pegana.

>>10233582
The Book of Leviticus

>>10225697
Drugberry

>>10228240
Don't make her a huge bitch or a huge slut is the first step. I have no idea why modern writers think these are great traits for female characters to have that we're supposed to like.

Does anyone here have an opinion on the theory that Hermione actually obliviated her parents in the beginning of Goblet of Fire?

The evidence for those who haven't heard is that from book 5 onwards we're told she spent the summer with the weasleys, and it was only in book 4 that Hermione fixed her teeth, something that would have upset her parents who were both dentists. The idea is that she wiped their memories after the deatheater attack on the quiddich world cup

>>10233789

> she spent the summer with the weasley

Summering with friends is a thing

> only in book 4 that Hermione fixed her teeth, something that would have upset her parents who were both dentists

I would think that dentists would *encourage* that sort of thing.

"But we love you for your fucked up British mouthbones"

pfft

>>10228240
Anon, I'm going to say this right now: I don't care about "hurrr durrr SJW cucks stole my dank tendies," I'm not like that, I don't agree with that, but I STILL don't think you should write a "strong female character" for one reason:

strong female characters are tired cliches that should be avoided unless you can give them an identity besides the archetype.

Don't give people strong female characters, give them interesting ones. There's more to strong then being tough and above it all

>>10233739

Literally just put down Children of Time because of this. First character is a total egocentric bitch.

"How did we ever get so far with so many fools in the gene pool?"

Barf.

>>10233534
I'm not sure if you would qualify it as being alt-history but maybe the Wolfhound Century series by Peter Higgins. Essentially it's set on an entirely different world but the country where it takes place is very obviously Fantasy Russia that has modernized to about a Soviet Russia level. But it's still Fantasy Russia at it's base, things from the old world still peak through the the gaps of modern civilization.

The basic premise is that a police inspector in a distant backwater is called to the capital to hunt down a terrorist. But in the course of his investigation, he gets involved in vastly stranger things relating to the ancient forests and the corpses of "angels" that fell from the sky sometime in the medieval past. (reading between the lines strongly implies that the angels are some kind of sentient bio-starships, apparently made of a grey goo style material, either organic wildlife from space or aliens that ascended to another level of existence)

writing's supposed to get easier as you go forward, not harder. I'm shuddering at the amount of work I'll need to do later to make these action scenes readable

>>10233789
I dunno about this shit but why would fixing one's teeth piss of dentists?

>>10233808
it baffles the mind that you think she's someone the reader is supposed to like
read on, she's not the MC

>>10232504
I still got banned for that once even when it was a very obvious joke, mods are fickle.

Honestly, I expected more. There wasn't even a naruto-like level of shounenness, much less dragon ball.

>>10234691
>tfw no well-written escapist shonen novels with decent banter and clearly defined power levels

>>10230275
/sffg/ actually have quite decent taste but you should only trust recommendation pictures if you already know and like most of the recommended books.

>>10233789
In the books she modify their memories at a later occasion, which there would be need for if they had no memory of her. So no, I don't think it's very likely.

>>10233534
Century Rain?

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