/lit/ - Literature

>>10221041
>>Still thinks and writes in Chapters
What does this mean though, how do you think like that

>>10221045

>Doesn't even understand that most shit writers think in Chapters

don't chapters come after your first rough draft?

>>10221041
>Looks down on the efforts of others and attempts to taboo effective practices based on his personal feelings

This one's a sure sign of a failure

>>10221049
But... does this mean like, when they're writing the first thing they do is separate it into chapters and think about what each chapter will be? Cause that's a bit gay.

>>10221054

How you been to a Stephen King Q&A?

>>10221056
Not him but no, king is a hack

>>10221060

But he sure as fuck ain't no failure

>>10221054

>>10221062
And? If I wanted to learn how to destroy my reputation for progressive points I'd copy King but if I wanted to make a book I'll be proud of I have many other authors I can read. King can smear shit on a book and sell it. King is a disgrace of an author.

>>10221056
I'm going to provide two different responses to your post because I can't be entirely sure of its meaning.
1. I'm well, thanks. I appreciate the offer but I don't usually hang out with people I meet online.
2. So you're citing a Stephen King Q&A to confirm your rigid beliefs?

>Thinks in medias res works is acceptable for proper Literature

>>10221041
>Writes and thinks in Chapters

Your autism prevents me from discerning any value in your posts

>spends ANY amount of page space writing about the character’s physical appearances
I can’t tell you how quickly that makes me drop a book

>doesn't organize his works so that each section ("Chapter," "Canto," "Movement," "Impression," "Sliced-Off Bit," or what-have-you) corresponds to a fundamental metaphysical and/or spiritual structure of the Universe
Not gonna make it.

>The number of drafts he goes through before he even thinks of sending it to the editor isn't double digits

>>10221273
Only real one here.

>>10221102
What's wrong with giving the reader something to ground the character around visually?

>>10221273
>tfw struggling through draft 10
I hate my plot and all my characters, but when I take a step back and look at the thing with a more """objective""" eye, I can tell it's much better than the early drafts, which I actually enjoyed writing.

>>10221041

>cares whether he's published or not
>actually submits to publishers

People who're possessive of their ideas and story in a passive way e.g. :

>so I was thinking about what to do with my protagonist

>>10221071
If you think any author past or present wouldn't want the sales of Stephen King, you're absolutely wrong.

>>10221079
>I don't usually hang out with people I meet online.
kek'd hard

>>10221102
*unless its relevant. If I think my QT female protag has red hair, youll damn well read about it.

>>10221273
This.

>Hasn't practised for thousands of hours

>they post on 4chan

>>10221845
That doesn't counter anything I said and I'm sure many authors wouldn't rape their stories to appear progressive

>>10221880
Tommy P is a failure?

Writing isn't a suitable profession for a man. He must have something else

everything they write is described as, "experimental"

>>10221045
>>10221049
>>10221050

fyi, None of you are getting published.

>takes the opinions of people on this board seriously

>>10221071
>I'd copy King

Like you even could if you wanted to. Face it dude, writing on even the level of shitty Stephen King is way out of your league.

Not writing in chapters is a way to know that someone isn't a good writer.

>>10221880
Tao Lin used to post here. He even mentioned us at some point. Maybe Pynchon too.
But yeah. You‘re mostly right.

>posts frogs

>>10221829
>i d-don't even want to be published
>n-no i am not a-af-f-f-fraid of failure i just don't submit anything because the j-jews run all the publishing houses...

>chantard

People who think in installments, cycles/sequels, and write 100,000+ word "novels" that're usually derivative LGBT fantasy based on their DnD games.

>didn't go to Oxbridge or an Ivy League school

>he has white protagonists

>>10222318

Unironically this

>>10222318
damn.. can't i just not mention their race?

>>10221870
shit this is me

tfw supposed to be writing right now, procrastination is the bane of my existance

>>10222130
Sauce me on this rape beyond regretting the needless child sex train

>>10222203

>I think novels need a middle-man distributor in an age where I can download a novel in 5 seconds
>I think being published matters when pretty close to 100% of the published novels in the past 10 years are now completely forgotten
>The most important part of my writing is getting a publisher to place a stamp of approval on what I've created, because I've come to writing to be Taken Seriously, and not actually say anything interesting that someone might read regardless of where they encounter it
>Despite believing all of these foolish things, I think I have the critical thinking skills to make a good novel

Also I don't know why you think I'm /pol/, /pol/ is worried to death about who gets published and who doesn't... despite not even writing.

>>10222174
oh thanks for the tidbit. Tell me: What have you published?

>>10222522
>>10222203
I'm so damn tired of this boogeyman pol. Why is /lit/ consumed with them?

>>10222551
short stories

>>10222695
link me

>>>/b/

>>10221041
they post on a mongolian basketweaving consortium for frogmen

>>10221041
they post their Tumblr level of emotional word vomit in the critique threads here and actually think it's good and that other people would pay for it.

>>10222761

Oddville press, summer issue this year, for one. Won't tell you which one though, bad things when you break anonymity.

>>10222823
>actually think it's good and that other people would pay for it.
Every writer ever must worry about this

>>10222522
>I think novels need a middle-man distributor in an age where I can download a novel in 5 seconds
All the more reason to seek publication, and the promotion & recognition that goes with it. You think book reviewers write columns about random shit off the amazon store?

>I think being published matters when pretty close to 100% of the published novels in the past 10 years are now completely forgotten
I'd bet any amount of money that an even larger percentage of self-published novels are now completely forgotten.

>The most important part of my writing is getting a publisher to place a stamp of approval on what I've created, because I've come to writing to be Taken Seriously, and not actually say anything interesting that someone might read regardless of where they encounter it
If you have critical thinking skills, you'll care about reaching an audience, and you'll seek marketing and promotion to do it. The real brainlet move is thinking more than a few dozen people will give a shit about anything self-published besides fetish porn.

>>10222853
I'll check it out. Can you explain why you stated none of us would ever be published?

>>10221041
At some point you do have to think in sections/sub-sections. You have to have some principle of organization.

>>10222868

I'm sorry, but I can't take anything seriously from someone who unironically uses the word 'brainlet'. You're probably a teenager.

>>10222892
You're arguing over trivial, nonsensical things.

It's like fighter wannabes arguing over whether punching or kicking is best. With that mindset, you'll never make it.

>>10222916
except I wasn't. this, >>10221050, was me and I was asking a legitimate question because I'm a budding writer.

Help me instead of mocking me if you don't mind.

>>10222922
If you have to ask....

There, I helped.

>>10222859
yeah but real authors who actually want to be successful and write for a living take steps to hone their craft and write stuff that other people actually want to read instead of sitting around wondering why no one cares about publishing or buying their useless diary entries and ramblings. the people who think they are some sort of creative genius who everyone just doesn't get will never be a published author because in reality they are terrible writers and write fucking boring bullshit that other people don't even want to read for free.

>>10222927
So you're just being a cunt. Thanks

>>10222938

If you use the fighter analogy again. It's like someone asking, "So...should I punch a guy in the face in a fight?"

What's the answer here? I don't know, it's such a basic question, and you obviously don't even understand the very basics of the topic, there's no real answer I could give you.

So here: Yes. Or no.

>>10222894
>At some point you do have to think in sections/sub-sections.

Never going to make it

>>10222956
your analogy shows that you are the one we should feel sorry for :(

>>10222956
I just text one of my friends who works at a MA dojo that very question.

He laughed, and then want on explaining how it depends on the situation, how in most cases of self defense, no unless you have the upper hand in a preemptive strike, etc.

You're just a cunt.

>>10222976
>MA dojo

>>10222976
>explaining how it depends on the situation

Oh really now....Hm...let's think about that then....

>>10222984
Hey, I never said I knew what the fuck I'm talking about. I guess you call it a gym? I know he teaches self defense to women and ji-jutsu or whatever the hell it's called.

I just carry a gun

>>10222991
Yes but notice how he actually explain things, shit for brains. His response wasn't

>you'll never win in a fight. Just give up and shit yourself

So like I said, a cunt.

>>10222976

>It's both Yes and No
>Yeah, well my buddy said yes and no too, so go fuck yourself!

What the fuck?

>>10223005


>>10222999

>>10222999

Ok, then both yes and no, and you're amazing and you'll always win in fights and in writing. There, you're now more productive.

>>10223013
thanks. That's better, faggot

>>10222999
You tend to get much better answers, when you ask good questions.

>>10221856
You make sense. The other guy just sounds like he doesn't like knowing what something ought to look like.

>>10221856
>If I think my QT female protag has red hair, youll damn well read about it.

Don't be surprised when I don't finish the book then.

>>10223017
No such thing as a bad question. Everyone starts somewhere.

>>10223047
>No such thing as a bad question

Really? alright, keep asking them then.

>>10223050

>>10221041
Interesting bait.

>>10221054
>>10221870
Correct.

>>10221084
>muh proper literature
Kek.

>>10221273
How do you count them to get to such a number? Do little edits count or you seriously rewrite the entire thing for 10 times?

>>10222148
Who talked about profession? If you want any hopes of getting published, writing is just another part of your day like showering, fucking or eating.

>>10223023
Isn't the point of this shitty thread to talk about it more generally, not include our own autism?

>>10223075
>How do you count them to get to such a number? Do little edits count or you seriously rewrite the entire thing for 10 times?

Never going to make it

>>10223082
Fuck off, with the spam. I'm honestly curious how people get to such a ridiculous number when talking about the entire book. It's given that'll you're going to rewrite a sentence 25+ times or some shit but when it comes to an entire draft, I don't recall any published author who went over 8. (Obviously ignoring the edits in publishing process)

>>10223096

Just remember, you should never ask yourself why you never made it. It should be obvious to you now.

>>10221041
>browses /lit/

>be a mediocre writer at the very least
>have connections

This is all you need. If you want to get published, a friend of a friend can help more than a 100 hours spent writing. It's not about art anymore.

>muh innovative prose
>muh 62 blank pages to break structure
>muh use of ziplocked farts collected from Taiwanese virgins to compliment the mood of each chacanverpaline
>That's chapter-cantos-verse-page-line if you didn't know
>pic related is how you ought to read muh work
>it's too smart for you

This is how you sound when you diss conventional methods of structure/writing. You're no better than the hacks holding firecrackers in their asscracks under the name of performance art. "But mommy I'm avant-garde!" T b h you just suck and no one's going to take the time to decipher your pseudointellectual A E S T H E T I C influenced by Joyce and that one obscure author you found out about the last time you went to an antique bookshop 7 years ago.

>>10223197

t. Unpublished

>>10223197
It can get you published but if your stuff isn't good enough, the sales will tank and no one else will want to touch you.

>>10223235
LOL that's why YA are best sellers right?

>>10222961
What then is the proper way to think about fiction? This is honestly amusing. You seem to think you know exactly how good fiction is written. It's ridiculous.

>>10223325
Good novels are read as a whole. Stop bothering with stop points. I bet you think of your works as "trilogies" or "sagas" too.

>>10223335
Most people don't have the time to read 800+ pages in one sitting.

>>10223469
Irrelegant. We're talking about the writing stage. Stop caring about the masses and think more about your work and its structure.

>>10223335
No I don't write sagas etc. I'm talking about a single novel. A novel is a whole consisting of parts. If at some point in the composition you don't consider the organizing principle behind the whole and its parts (and their parts etc.) then I doubt you've written a good book.