/lit/ - Literature

>>10213365
Feminism.

>>10213365
feminism
multiculturalism
atheism
casual sex
liberalism
equality

/thread

If it came from a book, put the title of the book/author in your respone too.

Moral relativism

Non-existence of God

We all go straight to hell regardless.
My diary by me

going to an ice cream shop and the only flavor they have is coconut

>>10213375
Gay

>>10213381

I want to say this but because those concepts don't necessarily cause people to take action in a prescribed way, at least not yet. For now I'm going to unironically say it's a toss up between Communism or Islam. Both ideas have proven themselves inherently degenerating, calling it's followers to act in ways that put simply, never end well. They are attractive to a very large amount of people and cultures while continuing to attract new followers.
Actually I'm going to stick with moral relativism.

>>10213365
Technological Slavery

>>10213365
social darwinism
the idea that everything everyone does is purely out of unconscious desire to acquire a mate
biological determinism

>>10213453
got these ideas from The Sea Wolf btw

>>10213375

I think you forgot cultural marxism and women.

nothing is scarier than sectarianism within Christianity

>>10213365
Since it's Halloween, let's allow QUALITY Creepypasta examples. no I don't mean Jeff the Killer or some serial killer crap. I mean like Gateway of the Mind

Spoiler alert, the story ends with this quote from the test subject. He isn't being dramatic. He's being literal.
"I have spoken with God, and he has abandoned us."

>>10213365
Permanent consciousness after death. Can't believe this wasn't #1

>>10213365
Accelerationist pessimism. Life is an evil. We ought not to try to ameliorate suffering and thereby prolong it -- we ought to make things worse and worse, so as to most efficiently remove the preconditions of life on earth, human or otherwise.

Naturalistic Becoming a la Nietzsche
So glad I got over that

postmarxism
Lolita Slave Toy

>>10213573
This isn't scary. This is just the dumbest idea ever. Only enlightenment can make the thinking of this idea possible

Most people you see are permanently asleep and dead inside, without freewill. Some people have more freewill than others, but these are really rare enlightened people who have gone through rigorous religious/mystical/psychological training, and are more likely to live in monasteries. Humans are actually a slave race created by higher forces which feed off of intense negative emotions and keep us asleep on purpose.

Jung is TERRIFYING, when I first read Aion I was blown away by his IQ, matched only by Nietzsche, who together are much more intelligent than any figure in the last 200 years

>>10213365
capitalism

god is evil

/pol/

>>10213365
The universe is god's decaying corpse

>>10213762
this one

also anarchism. sociopathy and pathology is embedded in all cultures/societies, etc

How Nabokov described life. About it being a crack of light between two eternities of darkness. I'm always suspicious of an atheist who says he is not afraid of death.

>>10213924
I’ve read a novel where the writer explains that it seems comfortable to her for it all to end. Not having to worry about the afterlife and eternalness. I completely agree with you though. I prag to God for an afterlife for there is nothing scarier than not being to me.

>>10213476
Just read it, pretty good. If you liked that you would also like the french movie called Martyrs from 2009. It is a horror movie with basically the same premise.

>10213924
You live eternally as far as your concerned because you can not experience your own death.

>>10213375
>being conservative

>>10213365
Fully deterministic Eternal Recurrence
By Nietzsche (before I realized that hard determinism isn't necessarily Nietzsche's metaphysical stance).

Every pain and annoyance ever, eternally and for everyone. You were a Chinese farmer who's wife was raped and tortured in front of you by the Japanese before they took you to Unit 731 to test plagues on you, freeze your fingers and hit them with sticks until they fall off and finally vivisect you without anesthesia? Enjoy the rest of eternity feeling that once an otherwise just as shitty lifetime.

Bonus: there is only one consciousness that eternally goes through all beings one at a time so that what to us seems simultaneous is in fact lived eternally in succession so that "I" get to feel absolutely everyone's pain and misery forever.

I guess it doesn't feel as scary now, but at the time I was thinking that in an "uncaring" universe even the worst scenario is possible. Or maybe this is Hell and all pleasure and relief is just there to make pain feel more real.

Ok, enough edge for today as I finished shitposting just as I finished shitting.

Ellison's shorts are so full of hate its hard to pick one.

>>10213874
That's kinda cool though.

> tfw life is just a maggot in a corpse, human life being the maggot asking itself what, who, where, how and why it is there

>>10214045
I doubt it's as bad as it sounds. Assuming we don't have our senses, there's no way for us to perceive any sensation at all, and so nothing to worry about. Call me simplistic, but I feel there's got to be something after we die, because it just seems likely. It's best not to bother too much with questions so far beyond your comprehension - usually, you only end up spooking yourself.

>>10213365
The idea of Hell in Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man
>>10213552
>>10213762
This too

>>10213924
>>10214045
There is nobody there to be scared after death, like Epicurus says. It's a matter of the state (assemblage) you are in: sometimes death is scary, sometimes it is desired.

>>10213365
AI creating an UI

>>10214047
Thanks for the suggestion. Creepypasta was a bit of a phase for me, at least the crappy ones. But stories like the one I mentioned, those are worthy of being considered internet classics.

>>10214586
What's the U stand for? Ultimate?

>>10213403
yuck

>>10213874
woah

dying forever

the idea that everything that you experience right now is all that exists, the moment you stop seeing things or hearing things means that they no longer are there.

Basically everything that you are seeing is there but disappears when you aren't seeing it

>>10213874
Mainländer already had this idea.

>>10213874
>>10214574
>>10214721
You should all read KillSixBillionDemons

no gf

progressivism aka technological utopia, connecting ones consciousness to a machine, eternal life

God

roko's basilisk

>>10214865
nigga I know it's Halloween and all but this is some REAL spooky scaly shit

>>10213365
The implication of this question, that a person would be frightened by an idea. Spooked people are the spookiest beings

>>10214877
yeah ikr

>>10214865
and thus we shall all suffer

>>10213924
>>10214045
It actually might be "worse" than this after death.
When you can no longer observe the universe it's like the universe never existed and never will exist in the future. So not only YOU die when you die but the universe dies too, your family and friends left.

amerimutt posting

>>10213375
>>10213372

Unironically the metastability event theory.

Forgetting the possibility would spare me a lot of panic. Everything posted ITT is the least to it for me. DON'T google it if you're afraid of death

>>10213924
>>10214045
You cannot not be, i.e. experience death, because it is defined by your lack of experience of it. Therefore you are immune to death. Do not trouble your little heads about it.

>>10214915
It's not even possible by our current understanding of the universe.

>>10214959
It's possible by mine

>>10214562
>Eternal Recurrence

there's no evidence for this, and even if it were true, there's no way to meaningfully preserve continuity/selfhood from one "me" to the other without a soul or something, so "i" wouldn't be experiencing anything.

Derrida desu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nmu3uwqzbI

>being scared of ideas that may just as well be true

Everyone who responded to OP's question is a turbopleb and should never consider doing philosophy or science.

>>10214924
>because it is defined by your lack of experience of it.

sez who?

>>10214964
lol

>>10214997
Everyone who didn't respond to OP's question is a turbopleb and should never consider doing philosophy or science.

>>10214924
Why don't you tell us how it was like before you were born?

>>10215007
How else could you define death?

Not scary per se but the most upsetting thing I ever read was Fomenko's New Chronology, really made me sick, I hope he doesn't gain any popularity.

>>10215036
My statement in no way implies that I claim to exist before I was born. "You cannot not be" means "You cannot not be, once you are, and when you are not, you cannot be." This is a mere tautology along the lines of "1 = 1," but it is still demonstratively useful, if only to show that the conception of self-reflexive equality is itself contained within the conception of the discrete unit.

>>10213365

Death is like drowning in your own body

>>10213762
>>10213874

This and the affirmation of this idea - Christianity.

>>10215099
Maybe if one died deluded by opiates and lying in a sickbed, as most people seem to do, this would be the case. I doubt decapitation would feel this way.

None of the above is scary.

that I'm wrong

>>10215081
>you cannot not be, once you are
So not-being can come into being but not the other way around? That's not logically sound.

Also it's silly to think that you can prove the afterlife by logic. Define "you". Obviously the atoms in your body will keep on being but only in different combinations that may not feature consciousness. So you have to argue against the entire materialist point of view that there is a human soul independent of the body. So you're back at square one and have proved literally nothing of interest with your little tautology.

>>10215141
I never said "not being can come into being," all my statement implies is that, by the definition of "being," being must be.

Obviously I can't define "me," but I can define "being" and "not-being." None of my statements contain any reference to "afterlife," either. The "afterlife" is a very silly notion, for the reasons I have given you.

>>10213365
Circumcision.

I am an American, a person who lives in a society where an entire body part that serves endocrine and psychological functions has been edited out of a culture's collective consciousness. When you think about it with that perspective, it's a fucking terrifying idea.

>>10215156
Thanks, baby boomers.

>>10214739
That's the beauty of it. Everything dies with you.

>inb4 millions of people have died and we are still going

That's the point, they are not you. The moment YOU cease to exist, everything does too.

>>10214542
There is nothing to conserve. It's more like a gardener or builder these days.

>>10214865
Not really a scary thought.

>>10213365
Industrialization of the mind, soul and the body; the sacrifice of everything for profit. The understanding of human mind and behavior for profit.

>>10213414
Godlessness is the HIV of the mind. Take time to list all political factions, identities etc. you've been attracted to. Your standards come from within (beast version of you) or from those identities carefully crafted to suit some ambiguous need and sold to you.

Not something I've read, but the idea that we all live simply to live is terrifying to me.

>>10215189
>>Godlessness is the HIV of the mind.
>complains about the worshiping Mammon

>>10215202
are you 12?

>>10215207
12 and a half, thank you.

I guess it's just me. It's not like I'm looking for a purpose, or the meaning of life. It's just that the thought of it being a bland mess with brief moments of happiness and sadness, scares me. It feels like I live life just so I can avoid death for as long as possible.

>>10215156
Lol get fucked cutfags. Most girls don't like it but they probably wouldn't have liked my dick either way.

The thought that once you stop decorating your narrative of your own life with bullshit thematic threads, life becomes fucking depressing.

>>10213451
THIS

>>10213372
>>10213375
agreed
I fear I will never wife a sweet virgin

>>10215204
From my point of view, idolatry falls under the same category.

>>10215222
thanks for the tip dickcheese

>>10213365
people other than me exist

Eternal life.

>>10215400
You say that but you still have eyelids with all sorts of disgusting secretions growing under them. You're filthy.

>>10213365
"Diversity is our strength."

>>10215432
AMERICA IS GREAT, BECAUSE AMERICA IS GOOD XD

quantum metastability events

>>10213375
>>10215375
Seriously why does this seem to be such a important topic for a lot of (beta) guys?
Is it mainly virgins afraid of not meeting another virgin? Or what is the deal?
People have sex, including women. They are allowed to have sex, that shouldn't really have a outcome on how you view them.

>>10215577
roasties always try to make excuses for being whores.

>>10215587
Having sex is not the equal to being a whore. I think it has to be a sort of jealousy of not getting sex yourself, which results in you not wanting anyone else having sex either. Do you agree?

that ridding our world entirely of anguish should be our ultimate goals as a species. that and handing the societal reins over to machines and artificially intelligent software. the only emotional state will be bliss and your only responsibility will be remembering to eat, sleep and poop

>>10215577
>your partner gets a sizeable portion of sex before your relationship and you get none
>this should not have any consequences or cause jealousy

>>10215611
not really. people who view sex exclusively as a sacred display of mutual attraction, affection and psychological intimacy might view your promiscuity as a bastardization and a mockery of love as a concept

>>10215577

Because virgin and or beta men lose out when women become "sexually liberated". The best guys have sex with a wide range of girls fat, ugly thin, stupid whatever because they can.

A girl's perception is then skewed into thinking she has more worth on the sexual market and refuses to "downgrade" and therefore does not extend the same kind of casual relationships to betas.

Or those who simply can't do that shit well and have no idea how to casually fuck girls no longer has that shy neighbour girl to pluck up the courage and date. She no longer has the fear of god in her because she watched the big bang theory and now she sucks ten dicks before breakfast.

Obvious a gross simplification but if you take away the building blocks of hundreds of years of society and think it'll hold up, you're in for surprise.

>>10215562
for your buttbutt, if it's tender.

>>10215577
>>10215611
Casual sex affects the sexual marketplace negatively for unattractive men. If people are expected to be monogamous, then nearly any man can find a partner, and the quality of his partner is similarly matched to his own value. It's a sort-of sexual communism where everyone gets something. But if people aren't expected to be monogamous, attractive men monopolize a huge portion of the sexual marketplace and leave a substantial number of men with nothing. Hence the incel phenomenon.

So if you're an ugly beta, casual sex leaves you with fewer rather than more options.

>>10215642
We're so fucked. This can't possibly hold.

>>10213600
How do awake people differ from everyone else?

>>10214865
Roko can't make us suffer, only digital simulations of us. What the fuck do I care what happens to some clone of my consciousness?

>>10214865
>A thought experiment that only works if you have extreme autism is scary

Lmao this is the most retarded shit I have ever read about

Not an answer to the OP but somewhat related

If the world were some kind of experiment that ends the moment a conscious being conceives a certain idea or thought, what might thought be?

>>10213365
Probably a book called Thick Face Black Heart.

It woke me up to how people are willing to do anything to get stuff accomplished in different ways.

Next would be the 48 Laws of Power which actually scares me to this day with how accurate it is. Basically every person who has read that book has come out different, including myself. It changed my personality to the point of people commenting on it nonstop. The thing is I just do what the book said to do. Change is scary, frightening even.

>>10215831
What do you mean by commenting on it? How has it changed?

>>10213365
no-fault divorce

>>10213618
ok dr peterson

>>10215842
I pay very close attention to the points I make, what I say and when I say things. It magnifies the personality I had before while also making people treat me with a lot of respect that I feel is undeserved. It's like being the cool kid of a school, if that makes any sense. I'm very detached with my interactions now which pervades my consciousness as a coldness, even when the people I'm with are having fun. It's easier to be present now but unless I meditate daily it feels like I'm going insane.

>>10215831

God, this pussy. Remember it is most easy to deceive the deceiver. Read something worthwhile like the Ricordi.

>>10214562

Regarding your eternal recurrence fears: you wouldn't feel like you were experiencing it "eternally" since you would be experiencing it exactly the same each time, without memory of being in that state and situation before. So the present experience is kind of immanent in this regard; it is eternal, but only experienced once

European ancestry genocide. To be honest, it fucking terrifies me.

t. Negro

>>10214739
Sounds like an autist who never grasped object permanence

>>10213618
>>10215849
And ya knoo... it's NOOO JOKE. This is serious stuff MAAAN

I believe many people in this thread have already commented on their fear of a lack of afterlife, but what I fear most is not just there being nothingness after death, but that my consciousness will endure into the nothing, and I will be left with literally nothing but my thoughts and memories for the rest of eternity. Nothing terrifies me more.

>>10215642
>Obvious a gross simplification but if you take away the building blocks of hundreds of years of society and think it'll hold up, you're in for surprise.
The argument that the "hurr durr betas" never even attempt to refute.

>>10214910
Fichte...easy on the I.

The scariest idea to me is that no human being has an identity of its own, every thought, action or characteristic is determined by outside factors which manifest in our subconscious.

Other than that, Fichtean Idealism is pretty burdening. The whole world as I know it (and that is the only relevant world for me) depends on me as the I, as a not-I it ceases existing when I die. Pretty much the entire universe dies with me, I am the single most important in my world.

>>10216231
>The whole world as I know it (and that is the only relevant world for me) depends on me as the I, as a not-I it ceases existing when I die. Pretty much the entire universe dies with me, I am the single most important in my world.
That's actually kind of comfy desu

It means I'm not going to miss out on anything

>>10216103
Sorry, we can live without your autism.

>>10213365
FREE MARKET CAPITALISM

>>10216254
Oy vey delet this

>>10214881
Its not the idea that is frightening its the possibility that its true.

>>10213365
Racial equality

>>10215831
I just put the Laws of Power down after maybe the first chapter. Didn't sit right with me.

>>10216397
All ideas must be possibly true in order to be coherent, because if an idea were not possibly true, it would be contradictory, and thus unthinkable. Try again

>>10214865
Jesus fucking christ, nothing has scared me this bad in a long time

>>10214915
>metastability event theory
The universe can suddenly end without any warning. What is scary about this? You would be gone without ever being aware that the event occurred.

Speaking of which, it could occur 10 seconds from reading this post.

Death, the constraints of the human condition and losing love

eggs over hard

>>10214709
User Interface

>>10213381
Why should I believe in God?

>>10215663
Isn't it a good thing that the unwanted genes are filtered out of the genepool?

>>10216529
It's completely stupid, bring it up to anyone that actually works with AI and they will laugh at you.

>>10216608
Sure is, for Hollywood and insurance companies in a few decades or centuries.

>>10216599
you are him
his name is I AM

you can ignore questions of existence or non-existence though, that is all word games, existence means to stand out, like a figure stands out from a background, against what background would god stand out against? more of himself

>>10213381
>Moral relativism
this
it took me years to accept it

>>10215652
>print this out
>radiate the flyer
>everyone who took a cut off gets cancer
it'd arguably be racist not to die here fyi

>>10215577
people have opinions of their own, such as some women being disgusting whores not worthy of respect, that really shouldn't have an outcome how you view them

>>10215642
>if you take away the building blocks of hundreds of years of society and think it'll hold up, you're in for surprise.
look at your dick
see its shape?
it evolved that way purposefully for the scooping out of other men's sperm in vaginas
building block of society my ass

>>10213365
Determinism scares the hell out of me since it means there is no me at all and I'm effectively just a biological machine. It's scary because it's irrefutable, it's not like anyone can escape causality. We are all of us doomed to be what we are.

The Jewish Question.

>>10216511
So if i have idea that the universe is made of cheese its possibly true. makes perfect sense.

>>10216968
It isn't irrefutable. It has been refuted. Determinism falls into the simplest of ideological traps. It relies on the existence of the notion of "perfect information," which is nonsensical on the basis that a consciousness by definition could not acquire it, and therefore, no machine made by a conscious being could possess it.

>>10217012
Yes, that "the universe is made of cheese" is a possibly true proposition. This is because you can conceive of a universe (a total space) made entirely of cheese. This is the meaning of "possibility." Still waiting for a meaningful rebuttal.

>>10217015
The fact that no one entity observes all information doesn't mean that said information exists. You don't see the air, do you anon?

Probably a memetic hazard, like Roko's Basilisk.

>>10213365
Total depravity because it's true.

>>10217026
The only Christian doctrine that's provable by simple observation of reality.

>>10217023
But information as such, i.e. information that can be cogitated, only exists in the mind. The universe can be "made" into information through a process of understanding, but a process of understanding is required (otherwise any "information" is mere phenomenon), and only minds undertake such processes. So conscious beings are the only entities capable of possessing proper information, but since this consciousness is and must be limited to a being, "perfect information" shows itself to be a contradiction in terms.

>>10217030
"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?"

>>10217041
So if I don't know that a person in China jumps up and down, that person doesn't exist? Based retardation, anon.

>>10217100
What the fuck? How does what I said have anything to do with this nonsense? Try expressing yourself in clear, concise statements, not flagrantly obtuse rhetorical questions.

>>10217112
Try looking up the definition of determinism before talking about it.

>>10217133
It seems like I was using a perfectly acceptable definition according to you, until I made a point you couldn't understand, now you're telling me to "look it up," which is the escape route of a charlatan. Why don't you tell me the "real" definition? If you don't make a cogent reply in your next post this will be your last (You).

>>10217021
I said our universe not a universe. its definitely not made of cheese ahah, but i can entertain the idea that it is without accepting it as truth. You wont find meaning in any rebuttal your heads too far up your own ass.

>>10217150
>its definitely not made of cheese ahah, but i can entertain the idea that it is without accepting it as truth.
The possibility of a truth does not require that you accept it, you monumental dunderhead. Holy Christ, what the fuck do they teach you in school nowadays?

>>10217149
>disagree immediately
>you just repeat yourself
>you're retarded
>hahaha because you didn't say I was retarded to begin with, I'm not!
ok

>>10217153
mate, the more convincing an uncomfortable idea is, as in higher possibility that it is a true idea, the more frightening it would seem if its an unpleasant one. There is no possibility that my computer and chair and all my surroundings are cheese, so the idea is not frightening. Frightening ideas that you think might be true are more scary.

That consciousness will not end with death, and instead it will continue forever.

>>10217167
>higher possibility
Possibility is not probability. You have confused the terms. There are not degrees of possibility. Either something is possible, or it is impossible. There is a negligible probability of your desk being made of cheese, but it is nevertheless possible.
>Frightening ideas that you think might be true are more scary.
I think I must be talking to a literal child, sweet Jesus.

>>10216491
Never read it. Why not?

>>10217184
its not possible at all. You actually believe my computer and desk are made of cheese? whats wrong with you ahah

>>10217188
Enjoy living life in a confused haze as only a semi-conscious subhuman like you could. Unless you're trolling, in which case, superb work: 9.5/10.

>>10213365

that i wont be accepted by God

>>10217170
i find it comforting, somewhat.
adds a layer between you and hard nothing.

I found the vision of the afterlife laid out in SK's Revival to be pretty bleak and disturbing. I think I'd take non-existence over that. not sure why so many anons seem to fear the blackness of the void after dying so much. Of course I may be wrong, but I have a sinking suspicion that a lot of you will be (or would be if you could) very disapointed with how this whole death thing plays out.

Just kidding, God.

>>10217245
>a lot of you will be very disapointed with how this whole death thing plays out.

with the dying and all that?

>>10217245
why should i care, i'll be dead

The supreme indifference of the universe.
That things arent going to immediatly come out and say that this is the truth and you should believe me. That it isnt on anyone else other than me to decide the truth content.
The "evil" products that come about becuase of our nievete.
The tolerance we have for death, or rather the tolerance for how we regard death.
My lack of self awareness, or awareness in general.
The belief that my paranoia is justified.

Grasping the full weight of what it means to be a "being within the universe". The large gap between the size of the universe, and the infratstructure of human society, with my own mortality

>>10214713
lmfao i know why you cropped this

The persistance and primacy of two things lonliness and habit.

>>10215411
fucking this

>>10217198
Enjoy being a pretentious cunt who cant adress an argument.
>cheese universe is possible

>>10216622
So I am god? No real change then.
I'd recommend checking a dictionary for the definition of existence since you have no idea what it is.

Reading Camus while being depressed as fuck.

>>10216608
>Isn't it a good thing that the unwanted genes are filtered out of the genepool?

There are these things called condoms and birth control you fucking idiot.

>>10217410
You've basically summed up my life. No more need be said. That is who I am, all 20 some years.

>>10213365

Social classes in BRAVE NEW WORLD oh god caps lock

I was really yoing, I realized that I'm an epsilon and she's an alpha

Watched a lecture on the "Trauma of Worship" in bed at 1AM. Quotes from the book of Job, Isaiah 6 and The Idea of the Holy. It's a very good type of fear, but whenever I encounter it I tend to run away and put it out of my mind.

>>10215411

But what if you had no bills to pay??

>>10213365
>What's the scariest idea you've read?
That I'll always be this way. I want to change. I keep trying to fix myself but...

>>10213403
this but it's always vanilla or rum raisin

like if i want plain no flavour then i would just eat plaster from the wall

>>10217026
The point of Jonathan Edwards' sermon "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" is not that God is angry, but that we are in his hands. Sinners don't fear it, having no ears to hear it, and the Elect love it, hearing it and finding comfort in the redemption from depravity.
The doctrine of total depravity is scary to those who don't believe it and comfort to those who do.

>>10215109
Are you saying that Christianity affirms that God is evil or that Christianity affirms that God is good when he is actually evil?

>>10215411
Been struggling with this for 20+ years

>>10216597
Why is that scary?

>>10213365
The only idea that has ever frightened me is censorship.

>>10217187
I didn't like the kind of person it was telling me to become. Like, it was advising me on how to use people, if I remember correctly. It just felt like it was trying to teach me how to be a bad person. I'm sure some people who are really successful secretly love that book. But I can't.

>>10218780
Then learn their ways so you can counter them instead of being tumblr.

>>10217859
Sounds like it might be better to not read it then.

>>10213874

edgy & cringey

>>10218790
Well, I wasn't so imaginative when I first picked it up. That was when I was maybe 14.

>>10218790
lmao
>>10218804
Ever read The Prince?

>>10218815
No. But it did come to mind when I was writing one of the last comments here.

>>10213874
>tfw Michael Kirkbride was right

>>10213365
eternal recurrence

>>10217708
It literally is possible, according to the strict definition of the word. Develop a firmer grasp of the English language before you attempt to use it in reference to concepts.

I love when people like you call me "pretentious," it tells me you really fail to even have an intuition of my arguments, much less an understanding of them

the fact that there is absolutely nothing after death. that we all have a limited amount of time on this earth and that some of us are choosing to spend it shitpostin on an indonesian folk story imageboard

Everybody is legitimately just trying their best.

>>10213874

>>10213365
Reality is all there is.

That this is it, and that's all there is.

>>10215156
>I am an American, a person who lives in a society where an entire body part that serves endocrine and psychological functions has been edited out of a culture's collective consciousness

And all because a guy who makes breakfast cereal thought it would stop kids masturbating 150 years ago.

>>10219286
>it's what happens

>>10213552
might be pretty peaceful and cozy desu

>>10213365
That there is something after death? I don't get why people fear death over afterlife. It always puzzled the fuck out of me.

>>10215166
fuck

>>10214915
Matter of fact, a quazar could vaporize Earth instantaneously and you wouldn't even realize it.

>>10215411
Eternal and finite lives are both terrifying ideas to me. Eternity terrifies me because of the potential for boredom, like what do you do forever? Surely you must run out of things to do. A finite life terrifies me because the idea that after I die I just become engulfed in nothingness, never to emerge again even is so monstrously incomprehensible and soul crushing I can't bare to think about it for more than a few minutes at a time.

>>10215036
Before I was born was a time full of non experiencing which is why I have no memory of experiencing it.

>>10219626
this. all anons here who are worried by their death should really experience a near death experience, or atleast some form of involuntary loss of consciousness such as an epileptic fit or some shit. really brings perspective on the case and makes you fear less death

>>10215036
what was it like to wake up having never gone to sleep?

>>10217809
literally, it means "to stand out" (although since literally no longer means what literally used to mean...like I said word games, god is a player,
>No real change then.
No not really

>>10218897
No its not possible your just reatarded ahahah. Dude... like what if... bro.. the universe was made of cheese dude.

>>10218897
It is in no way possible that our universe could be made of cheese only someone like you who is so obsessed with appearing like hes smart in front of strangers would even suggest something so stupid lmao

>>10214915
>gamma rays
>brain aneurysm
Theres more spooky ideas just for you

>>10219559
Imagine your brain is a calculator, and punching in the notion of its death is like dividing by zero, there is nothing to fear, your brain just cannot comprehend it.

>>10215119
>>10215099
I've seen two alzheimer's patients die. The way they actually die is drowning in their own spit because they forget how to swallow.

>>10215577
I think sex is a distraction from the "real" good things in life. It's a drug, basically. In almost every relationship I've had, the desire for sex gets in the way of us *actually* getting to know each other.

I don't think people who have sex are lesser, but there's a contemporary idea of "more sex is better, fuck all the time" that I think is unhealthy. For example, alcihol is good in moderation, but awful in excess. Society now says that sex, given it is consensual, should be practiced in excess.

IMO, society shouldn't restrict the type or amount of sex, but it should better emphasize the emotional and physical realities involved. We've divorced it from pair-bonding, childbirth and STDs and reduced it to a weekend entertainment activity like going to the theatre. It simply is not that casual, and treating it as if it were has led to a great deal of pain to people that were not adequately warned about it.

>>10213924
that's not Nabokov you mong, that's Beckett

>>10215918
What's that? Can't find it on google.

I read somewhere about that theory that involves other intelligent beings out in the universe who have advanced far beyond the scope of human understanding and have gone around the universe exterminating all forms of life that got anywhere near their level of weaponry or technology in order to secure the existence of their species. They've either killed off species that were prone to war and developed things like the nukes we dropped on Japan or made a pact to protect civilizations that were peaceful and evolved into sage/monk like beings and kill off savage civilizations to protect them and themselves. For all we know they sent relativity missiles toward us the moment we lit the first nuke. Probably gonna get slammed by some high speed rocks for being nigger tier savages. I don't know the name of the book.

>>10217187

It's like most self-help books. Mixture of make-believe bullshit and common sense, a fucked up social life 101 for NEET-like men. You cannot apply it in basically any situation that requires tact. Even if you could, you'd suck at life if you'd accept it as a code to live by.

The reason humans haven't encountered intelligent life outside our planet is because advanced technological development always eventually leads to its makers' suicide e.g. nuclear warfare, pollution, mass nihilism. It's like an evolutionary kill switch

I can't remember where I read this (I thought it was on Elon Musk's Wikipedia page, but I just checked and it isn't there) but it's pretty spooky I think.

that history is a swirling mass of chaos going nowhere at all

>>10220433
It's a classic sci-fi trope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightfall_(Asimov_novelette_and_novel)

>>10213600
You mean some people are '''''''woke'''''''
family?

>>10220049
>>10214915
>brain aneurysms
>instantaneous universe death
These are legitimately things that make me panic in day to day life
When I'm reminded of these I have to sit down and calm myself for a bit
How do I fix this

>>10220433
Fermi paradox?

>>10220797
I also forgot to add, the possibility that reality is finite and this is all that exists. It's really hard to explain but when I think about it I feel fucking terrified and have to crawl up into a ball. It's like something I was never meant to think about

>>10215672
They have more control over themselves and self-awareness, a single, indivisible "I" (most people are constantly changing their personalities based on whether they're predominantly in a physical, emotional, or mental orientation, what they've eaten, the weather, mechanical associations based on what they've experienced/events that have happened to them, etc.), realize the uselessness of negative emotions and refrain from things such as anger, anxiety, excessive sadness, etc.

>>10220433

>>10220818
>>10220448


Both of these are wrong, it's called the Great Filter.

>>10213365
sentient water

>>10213365
Probably Schopenhauer's eternal justice

>>10214744
Is Mainländer worth reading? Antinatalism interests me but all those authors make me so depressed

>>10220858
I thought the filter was part of the Fermi Paradox? Guess i'm mistaken.

That immortality is terrifying, that mortality is terrifying, and that one of them has to be true
That falling asleep is basically just dying (teletransportation paradox)
That all metaphysical statements are meaningless
Alzheimer's

>>10220927
That all metaphysical statements are meaningless
so basically, solipsism
I find it narrow-minded rather than terrifying

>>10220927
You're not really terrified of either mortality or immortality. It is, rather, the prospect of transformation which strikes fear into you, and this is undoubtedly related to your attachment to things and to your self-image. That you fear transformation is a sign that there is a thief in your heart, and you are wrestling with guilt.

The fear of immortality is also related to the fear of judgment, which is again related to guilt. Repent and resign your self to God, and you will no longer be a thief, and your fear will leave you.

Transgender Bathroom Laws

Really, these people want to let hairy 6'2 transvestites take pisses next to your daughters in girls bathrooms because "its how they identify"

>>10213365
I might be retarded without realizing, and everyone acts like I'm normal out of kindness.

>>10220433
Nick Land has a similar theory where intelligent lifeforms will eventually develop technology that can accurately simulate life but better (virtual reality). Any organism will naturally gravitate towards satisfying hedonistic desires above the uncomfortable task of developing and undertaking space travel. Why travel the universe when you can do it in endless comfort of your own home? Alien life develops inwardly not outwardly and eventually annihilates itself.

>>10220976

A transvestite and a transsexual are not the same thing you retard.

>>10221070
doesnt matter the transvestite is still gonna claim hes a women and demand to whip out his shlong and take a leak next to you 9 yr old daughter

>>10220084
I hope euthanasia is more commonplace by the time I get dementia. I know it's not the same thing as alzheimer's, but the death seems like it would be similar.

that people know what i'm thinking

>>10221070
And? All of this is based on self-identification. There isn't going to be anyone screening people to make sure they've been medically diagnosed, had reassignment surgery, etc.

>>10221093
this could all be solved by a simple concentration camp

>>10216547
>painless instantaneous death possible at any moment
>friends and family will not be sad because they all die too
>entire concept of sadness extinguished from existence
>destruction of physical universe erases all memories and artifacts of every shameful thing i and the species have done
>experiencing the last millisecond of Being, history exhausting itself and contingently making you the teleological end of man
remind me why this is a bad thing

>>10214582
Could i get a refresher?

that they'll be nothing to do for the rest of my life

>>10216930
>humans have evolved significantly since civilization began ~9000 years ago
You're a fucking moron.

>>10213924
that was john shade not nabokov

Spontaneously being recreated as a Boltzmann brain out of fluctuations in entropy trillions of years after you die, only to suffer endlessly in a cold void of nothingness until you die once again, at which point you then snap into your next recreation.

From your point of view you end up in endless torture the moment you die.

>>10220049
>brain aneurysm

i miss my best friend

>>10219559
>>10220062
this.

I hate how people call non-existence after death "the void" or "the black."

it's something even our subconscious thought can't comprehend.

>>10220820

Yeah, welcome to the human condition.

>>10220932
>so basically solipsism
what? No, you can still be a solipsist and hold plenty of metaphysical views. likewise, many philosophers who have denied metaphysics are not solipsists.

>>10220971
Lol, when did this board get so fucking looney. Infinite and finite are just both scary concepts to wrap your head around. It's overwhelming to imagine yourself existing forever and it's literally impossible to imagine yourself not existing.

>>10219425
Yep. Kellog is on my imaginary "people I'd go back and kill if I had a time machine" list.

Its weird that these ideas about death and shit sometimes make me unable to even function in life but other times I don't even give a fuck about them.

I guess I'm getting a better handle on my anxiety disorder.

I guess

>>10221303
This is fascinating. I knew I'd regret opening this thread.

>>10221303
>Thankfully, that isn't "you", anyways. That's a different consciousness. They're just as much "you' as any other consciousness that comes into being after you are born.

>>10221077
Dementia is a symptom of Alzheimer's disease.

>>10216608
Fuck you asshole I want get laid.

>>10213365

The idea that an evil and unjust and contrary god might be real, as introduced through the mainstream religions of the world. (undeserved hell goes along with this).

I've satisfied myself that on general moral principles, such a god should not be worshiped, even and especially in the case that it actually exists; further, that there is good cause (via scientific discovery) to suppose that one doesn't exist.

But of course there could always be a big Gotcha. But what I won't do is to live my life based on the few supposed debunked Gotchas, when there are an infinity of imaginable others which serve the same end.

God is dead.

The linearity of time, that there's no "rewind," that every moment is unique and unrepeatable, that you can't experience the exact same thing twice.

That with every person dies a unique point of view and set of thoughts no one can reclaim. That with the death of a 70 year old we lose 70 years of human experience, some 65 years of memories. That when I die, my experiences too, die with me.

>>10213874
i see you've played in my D&D campaign

well done you're level 17

>>10213365
that there's a room that's locked and behind the door is a monster!!!!

Everything that is happening right now, to the thoughts in your head and your perceived consciousness are just chain reactions on a sub-atomic level up from the beginning of the universe.

>>10213552
How beta do you have to be to find this scary or bad lol

>>10213459
One of my favorite books that no one talks about.

>>10213372


Feminism is not bad.

Expressing such a generalization exposes an ignorance.

I'm going to assume you're younger than 30. Why? Well, people over 30 might remember feminism as before critical studies integrated it fully as a process.

What does this fucking mean?

Critical theory is communism-lite, designed to be taught in western academia - given it's past freedom of unpopular idea exchange. It is defined by its authors as having the intent and purpose in causation in dissecting and critiquing without regard to reason or fact, 'western culture'. This is why third-wave feminism only acts in NGO form in third-world country, and feminism seems to be more about the desegregation of western values.

It's literally a subversive form of communism.

Now, the economics of academia. It's a for-profit process driven by social forces to now produce rent environments, more than knowledge.

In this, feminism as a normalized philosophy in culture makes academic feminism more extreme and allied to critical theory; it's a reactionary philosophy.

The real problem is 'critical theory', posing as/is post-modernism and among better continental philosophers as the same/similar,

It's actually psychoanalysis and communism.

>>10213462


Sum it up in proper term, friend.

'Critical theory'

talk in terms people can easily google.

>>10213573


"Life is a heaven or hell, and thinking makes it so"

Action goes a long-way too.

The thought that I'm alone, that nobody else is truly there. Could be several variations. Everyone could be a figment of my imagination, this could be my hell, or maybe we're all just a piece of one lonely "God" that's created all this in an attempt to end it's boredom/loneliness.

>>10217824
it should do the opposite for you anon.

>>10213365
The Anglos are right about philosophy

>>10215577
It's important to us because we want our wives to be pure, innocent, and loyal. Their is also a strange (maybe subconscious) pleasure in corrupting innocence.

You must not be well read at all if you attribute this to "muh incels". Men all over the world have valued virgins since ancient times.

Sometimes I think the sexual revolution was a mistake.

t. Someone who has taken an attractive girl's virginity and has had steady sex since 15.

>>10215132
The two on the right.

>>10222128
>Men all over the world have valued virgins since ancient times.
Because they don't want to raise some cuckold spawn instead of true progeny, not out of some perverse drive to "corrupt innocence", you dunce.

>>10214865
Wait, what is the utilitarian value of punishing someone if it can't actually serve as deterrance? Even if I do believe I'm working against a future AI, the AI can only torture "me" after the fact and this can only happen at a time when neither I nor anyone against the AI could actually do harm again. I suppose it would be useful for the AI for me to believe it could punish me, but this punishment wouldn't be useful because I will still do the bad things that I am going to do anyway.

>>10215614
I'd rather be the AI even if it meant feeding, lullaying and cleaning after useless meat bags. I like feeling useful.

>>10220143
We are actually fucking less nowadays.

>>10220923
It is one solution to the Fermi paradox.

>>10214739


>>10214738

I thought /lit/ were not brainlets?

>>10215642
Have you ever rejected a girl? Same applies for women. Theres a distinct hierarchy which is determined by how peope carry themselves, how well they look after themselves, confidence, ect...

Women arent dissimilar to us

>>10216599
Dont worry you have no choice over it anyway

I was gonna say I don't believe in some eternal torture chamber after death, but then I realized I that's what this existence pretty much already is. The same thing happening again doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.

>>10213365
Being a person who wills evil. Rejecting God.
There are people who act like this so it's not just an idea.

>>10222110
Oh there's no need to generalise, the priors of feminism in it's entirety are wrong therefore feminism is "bad".

>>10222110
Oh there's no need to generalise, the priors of feminism in its entirety are wrong therefore feminism is "bad".

Walking out of your house, looking back and seeing someone you don't recognize staring at you from the inside.

>>10213365

>>10213365
Our universe is the only one that exists, has existed, and ever will exist. Combine this with heat death and I feel greatly disappointed in reality.

>>10222128
>Sometimes I think the sexual revolution was a mistake.

It was.

if existence is finite, then the moment you die there is no conscious (or otherwise) perception of time so a second may as well be a billion years. everything happens; everyone dies with you. somewhat tantamount to having no perception of time in your dreams, except without having any unconscious/subconscious

if existence is infinite, then you don't miss out on anything. this physical shell is a facade

either way im fine with the outcome

>>10222406
yeah, this kind of bums me out. like we had one shot at existence and did a 6/10 job with it (as individuals, as a species, as a universe)

>>10213365
https://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Roko's_basilisk

unironically posting this because I want someone to disporve it.

>>10222602
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roko's_basilisk

Here is a link that better explains it

>>10220448
>tfw will never write anything as cool or as seminal as Asimov
feels bad man
all of the best stories are taken

>>10222128
It's about the legitimacy of your children. If a woman's a virgin when you have sex with her, then you're more sure that the child she's having is biologically yours. Up until very recently there was no way for a man to know with 100% certainty whether or not a kid was his. The restrictions put on female sexuality throughout history were meant to assuage male insecurity with regard to offspring. And given that men were financially responsible for the children their wives had, that made sense.

Feminists know this, which is why they claim that a child's biological parents don't really matter.

>>10213381
God is scary

>>10221210

Not the person you replied to, but I found it here

http://boards.fool.com/james-joyce-description-of-hell-30130532.aspx

>>10222382
cliche as fuck

>>10222602
You want me to disporve it? Are you sure?

>>10214984
You said the same thing last time too

>>10214542
do you remember what he wrote

>>10221058
no need for land, what you describe is one of a handful of reasons that is brought up to explain why we haven't got in contact with any E.T. yet

for people who keep bringing up that god is real, here or elsewhere on this board recently: god is dead , as a civilization in decline we killed it so you can't just "go back to it" , it doesn't work like that. it's death is part of our history and it's ok, it's a matter of fact: no need to cry about it or our decadence. civilizations are born, peak and die it's normal. what will replace it, idk, maybe islam lol and we might see the beginning of it eventually ... one thing to note tho: our civilization is not "out" yet of course , it's likely it is us that are building the tools that will help to build the "next thing", I'm thinking of techno-science to deepen mankind's freedom in every ways , a process so transformative we could call it a new civilization.

>>10218056
t. brainlet
vanilla is the best and most nuanced flavor

>>10223603
I really really think that you need to contemplate on what god is my guy.

literally not scary at all

>>10215411

only correct answer, also it's antithesis.

>>10215411
Fuck this shit
I need an end
Not soon hopefully, but eventually

>>10215929
>without memory of being in that state and situation before
>it is eternal, but only experienced once

Not sure how we go from "lack of memory" to "only experienced once".

>>10213365
when I was little, the idea of eternal life haunted me.
I was scared of heaven.
The idea of it going on forever put a feeling in my heart that I couldn't describe as anything other than absolute horror.
Never in my life had I ever been more scared than when I thought of eternity.

>>10222212
You don't think innocence is a factor in our desire of virgins? I would disagree. The fallen try to drag others down with them as did Satan with Eve, and Eve with Adam.

>>10222789
I don't disagree with you but I think it's a little more complicated than just being certain of your childs legitimacy.