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10202954 No.10202954 [Reply] [Original]

Are the body and soul separate substances?

>> No.10202965

>>10202954
yea
why you axe?

>> No.10203013

This is your brain on /lit/ and schizotypy

>> No.10203023

>>10203013
you're really missing out. You need to recognize the self as spirit to end despair desu

>> No.10203034

>>10203023
You can call the mind the spirit but it's just semantics at that point.

>> No.10203038
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>>10203023
I see myself as a whole of competing and cooperating entities.
There's no self.

>> No.10203070

>>10202965
>>10203023
try and actually give explanations

>> No.10203072

give her the dick

>> No.10203081
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>>10202954
Without the preceding conversation of "what is substance" this whole conversation is hamstrung.

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>>10203072
what if its small though my dick is small

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>>10202954
Ehmmm... no

>> No.10203170

>>10203070
uh if yous wanna b technical and all shit, all is one substance, 'cuz is all Being. Assuming being b real, nigga must be unchanging, for dat potential for change and movement implies its gotta coming to b and a going away, and it certainly can't b said that that which b real can go away, an ya can't have it coming to b (cuz it would den come from nothing, which is logically whack as shit) but must essentially have always been. Plurality an movement, den, must b an illusion in the oneness. So it can b spoke dat body an soul are not separate substances in dat dey share the same essence, being Being.
Nigga can also say the soul and body are separate substances cuz, if the soul b tru, den from where it gotta come from and to where it gonna go? Is b dependent on the body, or merely poppin a squat up in der in it but unconnected? Upon observation there be no definitive part that connects them - a nigga can lose a hand and have his soul entirely, lose any part of dat niggas brain individually and he still gonna have his soul. So the soul does not come from da body, and it ain't gonna be said to go into da body or be part of dat body. It can survive without the body, if we are gonna believe in the soul in such a way. Therefore, dey must be of different substance within the same essence.
yo you good?

>> No.10203191

>>10203084
yo if da bitch's small she gonna think yo got a big one

>> No.10203255
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>>10203070
This book is actually very very good.

>> No.10203267

>>10203255
On my reading list. Care to give a quick rundown?

>> No.10203270

>>10203267
it's just typical scientism drivel.

>woah if you physically mess with the brain it changes your personality and shit I guess decartes was wrong xD

>> No.10203294

>>10203270
Sounds like you have schizotypy desu
I'm not interested in your leaky mind. I just wanted a basic gestalt.

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>> No.10203301

>>10203267
Read Phenomenology of perception by Merleau-Ponty. Then read this.

>> No.10203313

>>10203301
Will keep that in mind
Putting it on my list, thanks for the rec

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>>10202954
No. All is One my friend.

There is only the Nous, even the first proper philosopher knew that.

>> No.10203423

>>10203267
The title is a bit misleading, but he full on addresses the question of is your soul actually separated from your body.
And it's not "scientism". I doubt
>>10203270 has read it.

>> No.10203561

Everything is apart of itself. Do not drag your essence on leash in the back of your mind. Be open as all you are and welcome that blissful wholeness

>> No.10203564

>>10202954
There is no mind-body problem, our biology influences our mind very heavily.

>> No.10203719
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>>10203170
>assuming being b real
>if the soul b true

>> No.10203722

The soul is the form of the body.

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>>10202954

>soul
>substance

>> No.10203755

>>10203038
that's just reductionism. not even full reductionism, it's reductionism that stops halfway down the ladder.
that the whole is made up of many parts smaller does not disprove the existence of the whole.

>> No.10203823

>>10203722
woah

>> No.10203846

>>10203722
So souls can copulate? Can souls eat?

>> No.10205385

>>10203170
I can't take a fucking inbred who writes like a nigger seriously. Fuck off you absolute spastic.

>> No.10205394

>>10203755
Ryle

>> No.10205410

>>10205394
What do you mean by this?

>> No.10205526

>>10202954
Fuck outta here with that descartes shit.
No they are not. Humans are literally the same as animals.

>> No.10205586

>>10205526
>>10205526
>nigger tier verbosity in response
>expects to be taken seriously

Begone, reductionist materialist retard.

>> No.10205589

>>10203722
Is that Aquinas?

>> No.10205620

>>10202954
Define soul.

>> No.10205675

some neuroscientists now believe consciousness is picked up by the brain, which acts like a satellite dish so....dunno desu.

>> No.10205727

>>10205526
so you're saying animals have souls too?

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>>10203023

>> No.10205751

Not only that, but the "soul" is made up of at least 3 different parts

This has been known for thousands of years

>> No.10205801

separated by what?
is that the right question to ask?
separated by whom?

>> No.10205823

>>10203423
no u don't understand, everything that's even remotely related to science is scientism, understand?

>> No.10205969

>>10205750
is this spirit science?

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>>10205969
No it's spirit level, completely different things

>> No.10206016

>>10202954
Who's asking? Will it improve your life if you knew?

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>>10202954
>he thinks that the Soul is literally present in the body
>he doesn't realise that our Soul already resides with God, and that its absence in Creation is a consequence of the Fall
>he doesn't realise that the Soul is present so far as it is absent, meaning that the only way to God is to contemplate the almost inescapable sense that we live in a Godless world

>> No.10206075

>>10205589
Yeah, Aristotle/Aquinas, basically scholasticism.

>> No.10206177

>>10206032
>tfw no heretic gf
Just kill me

>> No.10206283

>>10205589
Plato, and he's wrong, the soul is the form of man.

>> No.10206354

>>10202954
I fucking hope so.

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>>10206177
:(

>> No.10206383

>>10202954

It's a human construct meant to get us through a subjective existence, like Justice or Love or Art; things that are real and immaterial at the same time.

>> No.10206465

>>10206373
>no reference to anal/oral sex

missed opportunity

>> No.10206501

>>10202954
>soul exists
What is this faggotry?

>> No.10206571

>>10203170
Thanks for this. Brilliant.

Both soul and body are being, being is the least common denominator of all. I don't understand what the difficulty is. What are they composed of if not being? And if both are composed of being, the question is answered.

>> No.10206645

>>10202954
No, but our form and our manifestation on Earth are separate entities. Have you even read Plato?

>> No.10206651

>>10206373
>this is probably heresy
lmfao i read that one last

>> No.10207093

>>10205727
why not? why only man can have a soul?

>> No.10207096

>>10206501
having a spine, my incel friend