/lit/ - Literature

>>10171100
Which are gems?

This thread will soon be bombarded by autistic screeching.

>>10171110
>board that has a billion charts for every possible degree of "newfaggotry"
>here's a reading list of my internet dad that has high-school classics side by side with Nietzsche
>please don't say mean things about this post I love my dad

>Newfag recommending newfags Peterson

>>10171100

good list, no troll. some entry-tier, some are niche. a lot less slanted and sporadic than the other ones but at the cost of a buttload of eliade/jung/orwell. though that comes with the territory i suppose

>>10171110
slit your wrists

>https://jordanbpeterson.com/2017/10/great-books/
>Hemmingway
>Hemmingway
>Hemmingway
>Dosto
>Dosto
>Dosto
>Tolsto
>Tolsto
>Tolsto
>Stendhal
>Stendhal
>Huxley
>Huxley
>Huxley
>Orwell
>Orwell
>Orwell
>Nietzsche
>Nietzsche
>Nietzsche
>To kill a mockingbird

Wow, very enlightening, many diverse and interesting perspectives that will connect you with centuries of human thought.
Tolstoy and Stendhal are the only writers who distinguish this list from one written by a random mildly well-read redditor. Also why does he suck Neeche's dick so much? Isn't Peterson advocating religiousness?

>>10171252
It's an addon to his original lists...

>>10171252
>no Vonnegut
>no Salinger
>no Bukowski

I just wanted to recommend Harold Bloom's reading list for any newfags. Lots of gems in here (I'm in the process of reading them)

http://interleaves.org/~rteeter/grtbloom.html

>>10171285
Which are gems?

>>10171252
>Also why does he suck Neeche's dick so much? Isn't Peterson advocating religiousness?
is this bait

Peterson threads should be banned

>>10171315
Calm down there Trudeau

>no Chesterton

TRASH LISTS

Is Peterson's book list good for right-wingers that aren't fanatical nutjobs like alt-righters?

I went to /pol/'s /sig/ thread and it's all nazi shit. Which is interesting since I love history, but bleh.

>>10171399
Ha!

>>10171653
Just look at it fool, if you can't immediately tell then lurk more because most are pretty standard except for the Greek

>>10171681
Not him, but I see almost nothing of value on there that I haven't read already. Then again, I suppose this is a list for social media retards who are getting their first experience with literature and philosophy.

>>10171681
>>10171711
It's true. I'm a millennial and don't read much. Although I resent the social media thing. I'm a loser with no friends, just like you buddy.

>>10171315
For a Peterson thread, it's very on topic.

>>10171293
The entire thing

>>10171100
>Lots of gems here
ya but Jordie boy here didn't exactly dig em up
you can find them in every other shop in the whole bazaar!

>>10171731
>I'm a millennial and don't read much
Well then read more and welcome to /lit/
Also the Greeks aren't a meme and Infinite Jest is

His entire recommended reading on neuroscience is fucking three Oliver Sacks books.

>>10171653

yes

>>10171653
Please tell me you are the poster with the tiny dog brain.

>>10171829

>>10171100
I mean his lists are decent, good foundational stuff.
I would definitely beef up his religious/philosophical section, with more writings from the Saints, patristics and theistic minded writers.

>>10171916
Do tell, anon. Don't keep it to yourself.

I know it's sorta not really "religious" but it was written by a monk. I just read Tsurezuregusa and it was pretty fascinating.

>>10171100
>no Joyce
>no Proust

this will be his undoing in the information war

>>10171864
eeehhehehehehehheheheheheheeeehehhehehhehhe

>>10171937
He left out a lot more than that anon, even in the religous and psych fields. He is a phd but the list reads like a curious undergrad's, for his own sake I hope that was the intention given his audience.

>>10171100
>Trigger warning: These are the most terrifying books I have encountered.
>lists his own book

>>10171924


The Philokalia
The Way of the Pilgrim, by anonymous russian
Lazarus, Come Forth! by Valentin Tomberg
The Imitation of Christ, by Kempis
For the Life of the World, by Alexander Schmemann
Purity of Heart, by Kierkegaard
The Divine Comedy, Dante (Longfellow translation)
The Seven Storey Mountain, by Merton
The Transcendent Unity of Religions , by Schuon
The Fullness of God: Frithjof Schuon

>>10171963
It's easier to tear down another man's creations than it is to create your own.

List your terrifying books.

>>10171937
>he left out these two degenerates
Good.

>>10171100
ok. ok. wow. just. ok. this reading list is pathetic. here are the only fiction authors worth reading, ranked by priority, and I would go as far as saying that the rest of fiction as a whole is a waste of time, and you're better off reading poetry or watching TV instead of reading authors who are not in this list.


SUPREME MASTER GOD TIER: THE MASTER OF ALL IN THE KINGDOM OF GREAT WRITERS IN HUMAN HISTORY, AT THE TOP OF THE HIGHEST TOWER, MASTURBATING 10-15 TIMES PER DAY, AS THE HAND WITH WHICH HE WRITES ARTISTIC MASTERPIECES IS MORE SEXUALLY APPEALING THAN ANY ADONIS THE GODS CAN CONJURE
>Proust


VICE-SUPREME MASTER GOD TIER: THE ONLY WRITER DESERVING TO BE IN SAME ROOM AS THE SUPREME MASTER GOD
>Joyce


GOD TIER: OCCUPYING THE MARBLE CASTLE WITH THE SUPREME AND VICE SUPREME MASTER GOD
>Tolstoy
>Homer
>Dante
>Dostoevsky
>Shakespeare


ANGELIC DEMON TIER: PATROLLING THE CASTLE WALLS OF THE GOD TIERS AND ABOVE, AND DOING THEIR BIDDING ACROSS THE UNIVERSE, CAPTURING AND PILLAGING ENTIRE PLANETS TO TO INTO PLANET-SIZED "THE MATRIX"-TYPE BODY HARVESTING FARMS, BUT THEY HARVEST HUMAN FARTS INSTEAD OF ELECTRICITY, PACKED IN DIAMOND JARS, FOR THE FART-LOVING PROUST AND JOYCE TO HOLD UP TO THEIR NOSES AND SHIFT THEIR NOSES LEFT AND RIGHT ALONG THE RIM OF THE JAR LIKE SNIFFING A FINE WINE, THEN TAKING A HUMONGOUS INHALE AND ACHIEVING UNFATHOMABLE ORGASM, "AH, A 2017 RUSSIAN LUMBERJACK FART, GOOD YEAR" THEY SAY, NODDING THEIR HEADS AT THE ANGELIC DEMONS WHO DO THEIR BIDDING, THE ANGELIC DEMONS' HEARTS FILLED WITH JOY AT THE HONOR OF SERVING THEIR MASTERS
>Goethe
>Kafka
>Chekhov
>Morrissey
>Nabakov
>Melville
>Chaucer
>Cervantes
>Ambrose motherfucking Bierce!


HONORABLE DRAGON WORK CREATURE TIER: THESE WRITERS' SOULS HAVE POSSESSED THE BODIES OF DRAGONS WITH LIME GREEN FUR AND FLORESCENT TIGER STRIPES WHO BREATHE GAMMA RAY BURSTS AND CIRCLE THE SUPREME MASTER GOD'S KINGDOM BY THE MILLIONS, AND OPERATE AS A HIVE MIND, AND HAVE BEEN GENETICALLY MODIFIED WITH TARDIGRADE DNA TO SURVIVE IN SPACE AND EVEN BLACK HOLES, TO HONOR WORKS THAT I ENJOYED PERSONALLY BUT THAT MAY NOT BE AS JUSTIFIED ON AN ARTISTIC LEVEL BY CONSENSUS
>Hesse
>Pynchon
>Hemingway
>Foster Wallace
>Woolf
>Flaubert
>George Eliot
>Balzac
>Borges

>>10171991
tl;dr

>>10171972
>Dante (Longfellow translation)
You are a friend of mine

>>10171991
AMBROSE MOTHERFUCKING BIERCE!

>>10171991
Great list, needs Milton if you're going to include Dante and Homer though

>>10172003
that's fair. i'll adjust the pasta with him in at least the angelic demon tier

>>10172012
>no Gogol, Turgenev or Zola
>Hesse, Balzac and fucking DFW
whatthefuckamireading.jpg

>>10171100
Nice entry level stuff I know he could recommend a lot more than this but I think these lists are geared towards his audience

Question, if you could only read one, would you recommend Beyond Good and Evil over On the Genealogy of Morality?

>>10171653
This post is Reddit and I think you should go back.

>>10171100
>recommends a list with 1984 on it
>calls others newfags

>>10171991
>BUT THEY HARVEST HUMAN FARTS INSTEAD OF ELECTRICITY, PACKED IN DIAMOND JARS, FOR THE FART-LOVING PROUST AND JOYCE TO HOLD UP TO THEIR NOSES AND SHIFT THEIR NOSES LEFT AND RIGHT ALONG THE RIM OF THE JAR LIKE SNIFFING A FINE WINE, THEN TAKING A HUMONGOUS INHALE AND ACHIEVING UNFATHOMABLE ORGASM, "AH, A 2017 RUSSIAN LUMBERJACK FART, GOOD YEAR"
kek

>>10171100
>claims to respect mythology and Western culture
>doesn't recommend a single work of poetry

>>10171252
WHERE ARE THE PEE OH SEE
I DONT SEE ANY BOOKS BY PEE OH SEE

>>10171293
Bloom himself is a precious gem

>>10172339
He name drops Milton once in awhile.

>>10172130
Read both you pussy

>>10171100
Judaism=thereadinglist
How do people take this kike seriously? His WN is just a distraction to pull people from National Socialism.

>>10171100
>>be Jordan Memerson
>want to make a lot of $$$ and gain notoriety quickly
>perform the brave, heroic act of refusing to use someone's gender pronouns
>get worshiped as a hero by autists on the internet for whining about a letter he received from the school's faculty
>never receive any actual death threats, never have his life threatened, never get actually censored, never get imprisoned, never even get fired from his job
>simply whining about gender pronouns and being a professor of psychology is enough to be labelled a martyr for free speech by gullible anti-SJWs on the internet who desperately want an authority figure to affirm their whining
>whine about postmodernism and the cultural marxist boogeyman, even though postmodernism is a massive, broad subject never cite any actual literature or works or books by postmodernist authors or the Frankfurts, just say "they're all dumb guys trust me" like a true academic while occasionally namedropping Foucault or Derrida without actually addressing any of their arguments
>give the anti-SJWs you conned an imaginary enemy to blame all their problems on, while posing yourself as a hero when you've done jack shit and ironically whine about virtue signalling in academia while proposing no actual solutions to the postmodernist boogeyman
>fearmonger about a Canadian bill that you didn't even bother reading that was just a slight modification of a previous human rights bill that has already been in effect for decades, only it added "gender identity" to the list of criteria that you can't discriminate someone for
>make 65k US dollars a month on Patreon from gullible morons who think you're brilliant for making glorified vlogs that spout Jungian purple prose, whine about children's movies being feminist propaganda and make vague, whiny criticisms of postmodernism that isn't backed by any actual evidence
How does it feel to worship the Anita Sarkeesian of anti-SJWs?

>>10172379
What do Nazis read anyway? None of existing European culture really fits their standards. You can't have the cultural prejudices of a person from the Thousand Year Reich that never was.

>gulag archipelago
>orwell
lmao

>>10172379
Jews are part of the West too, insofar as we include the early Middle East in the West. If The Sumerians with Gilgamesh and also the Egyptians are part of the West, then so are the Jews.

>>10172381
Hey guy, he's merely fighting the post-modernists trying to take over our society!!!!

(((post cultural modernist marxism))) is literally fucking ending WEST

>>10172062
>WHAAAHH, THIS LIST DOSENT CONTAIN SOME AUTHOURS I LIKE

>>10172381
You're an absolute idiot if you think he wouldn't have lost his job and become some kind of pariah if he didn't make a big public deal out of the thing, actually argued. This shit that nearly happened to Peterson happens everyday, except Peterson didn't take it lying down and now IS a hero.

He also got tons of death threats and people threatening his family. It's almost like you're a liar with an agenda?

>>10172414
/pol/ack here, me personally I exclusively read non fiction books on politics, philosophy and stem

>>10172381
bonus points for subscribing to pragmatism epistemology which denies the existence of truth or external reality while simultaneously criticizing postmodernism for doing the same thing

>>10171973
>List your terrifying books.
It's because that's not how books are described you autist

>>10172381
>How does it feel to worship the Anita Sarkeesian of anti-SJWs?
I don't think Anita Sarkeesian has a PhD or taught at Harvard. And even if she had (which she hadn't), it'd be in something retarded like women's studies. Peterson is an intellectual whether you like it or not, no-one cares about your fee fees.

>>10172446
>tenured professor
>fired over gender pronouns
lol, no, him whining on the internet was all just virtue signalling and hopping on the anti-sjw bandwagon

he really is just the anti-sjw anita sarkeesian, pretend to be oppressed by some vague threat to make money off idiots

>>10172456
Anita got a master's in social and political thought. Even if she isn't a PhD the general bandwagon mentality around her was the same, she was perceived as an educated authority figure who was unjustly oppressed by some vague, evil threat, whether it be "misogyny" or "postmodernism", and exploited that to make profit.

Psychology as a field isn't doing much better. Over half of all published studies can't even be reproduced. Even if we assume Peterson is one of the good ones and did legitimately solid work, that doesn't automatically make him an expert on postmodernism, much like how Anita having a Master's doesn't make her an expert on video games.

In fact I would argue Peterson is actually worse than Anita. Anita made 200k off of Kickstarter, but got a ton of shit flung at her online. She also at least cited examples, even if she was deceptive about it. Peterson cites jack shit, makes 65k a month, and gets his dick sucked constantly.

>>10172486
Jesus, talk about a false equivalency. How fucking deluded do you need to be to compare a degrees in psychology's interlap with philosophy or intellectualism with a fucking women's studies degree and video games. It's so fallacious it's staggering. Do you people even hear yourselves? Or maybe all you hear is yourselves...

>>10172467
>tenure
And how do you know that? This was a question of the law that governs the university, not the university's rules itself. And don't pretend like there was no risk involved here, him speaking up directly caused him to lose research grants.

>>10172518
>And how do you know that?
every article about him mentions he's tenured, to start things off

>This was a question of the law that governs the university, not the university's rules itself
what laws? and don't bring up "muh bill c-16", that wasn't in effect when peterson was whining and even if it was that bill doesn't do what you think it does

> And don't pretend like there was no risk involved here, him speaking up directly caused him to lose research grants.
according to who? peterson? why do you demand proof from me when it comes to his tenured status, but provide no evidence of him losing research funding?

and even if he did, he was a paid, tenured professor, i'm not going to weep over him not getting more money, especially not now when he is making 65k a month because he whined on the internet

>>10172514
not him but you surely understand that analogies aren't supposed to be identical to the thing they are analogous to except for the one aspect that is being compared. a degree in social and political thought is analogous to a psychology degree for purposes of being (falsely) treated as an intellectual. both degrees are equidistant with respect to the authority they lend to social commentary.

>>10172518
>>10172544
btw there's no proof he was denied research funding strictly because of political reasons, he even admits that it's possible the SSHRC was denying multiple research grants just to save money

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/05/12/supporters-fund-u-of-t-professor-jordan-petersons-research

>>10172486
>Peterson cites jack shit

This. How the FUCK can he be called an academic? It's ridiculous. His book "Maps of Meaning" is basically just pseudo-philosophical self-help garbage without any rigorous scholarship. Most of the assertions he makes in lectures are never actually backed up by any citations. This is why the tenure system is stupid. Once you get tenure, you can do whatever the fuck you want and be as bad of an academic as you want, and no one will pull you up on it.

Never understood that system.

>>10172564
to be fair
what other great philosospher use MBA,APA, or even Chicago format for citations?
What of them have a bibliography at the end of their works?

>>10171990
>degenerates
Hang yourself, maggot.

>>10171100
JBP just needs to come out and openly admit that he gets all his ideasand reading material from 4chan.
His "terrifying" books pretty much confirms him for at least a lurker.

>>10172449
>all coherence theories have an identical ontological premise.
fuck off, pseud.

>>10172737
doesn't matter they're all equally shit by virtue of rejecting orthodox notions of truth

>>10172426
>t. If The Sumerians with Gilgamesh and also the Egyptians are part of the West,
...But they aren't?

>>10172741
>ignoratio elenchi
You're not very good at this.

>>10172752
would you kindly educate this young one, senior brother?

daily reminder for our friends from reddit
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/postmodernism/

>>10172554
>both degrees are equidistant with respect to the authority they lend to social commentary.
No, this is patently untrue. There is tremendous overlap in political theory and psychology. To suggest otherwise is asinine.

>>10172775
i'm not suggesting otherwise. i'm suggesting there is also overlap between political theory and social and political thought.

>>10172544
>according to who? peterson? why do you demand proof from me when it comes to his tenured status, but provide no evidence of him losing research funding?
He had consistently received the grant before. It's not difficult to understand.
>>10172544
>what laws? and don't bring up "muh bill c-16", that wasn't in effect when peterson was whining and even if it was that bill doesn't do what you think it does
The law is the law, university policy or tenure doesn't change that, you can still lose your job. And it was always a question of not just what the law is, but of what the law will be. Anyone who understands the nature and application of the law understands just how significant any legal establishment is - - precedent supersedes both circumstance and reason 9 times out of 10. It's not just a slippy slope, it's one where it's 2 steps forward, 1 step back. That being so, it's very more important to prevent abuse than to stop it.

>>10172777
Don't reply to my posts as though you somehow answer or refute them while saying nothing of the sort.

>>10172773
>That postmodernism is indefinable is a truism.
why did a person that doesn't understand postmodernism write an article about it?

>>10172783
i'm having difficulty understanding you.

i asserted that a degree in social and political thought is analogous to a degree in psychology in so far as they both lend credence to social commentary made by the person in question.
you objected to my assertion by saying that i was wrong suggest that there isn't a tremendous overlap in political theory and psychology, and i responded by pointing out that i didn't do that, and in fact i said something different.

i hope this clears up our misunderstanding

>>10172791
I told you to stop, fuckface. If you don't understand then actually read and make some infinitesimal effort to understand the chain of replies you've volunteered yourself into for god knows what reason.

>>10172797
what is the matter with you

>>10171264
>bukowski
>intellectual

>>10171264
>Vonnegut
>Salinger
>Bukowski
>>>/trash/

>>10171315
Is your preferred pronoun by any chance zhe?

>>10172784
Did you read the rest of article?

>Here is a list of books that I found particularly influential in my intellectual development.
>lists his own book

what a pseud

When I first came to this thread some anons were whining about how these things go off the rails. Then I went to bed and the midnight commies came out. Now I see why these threads turn out this way.

Socialists btfo. They can't even form grammatical sentences.

>>10172381
>>10172544
>bill c-16
One of the legislators confirmed not using someone's preferred pronouns will get you to Civil Court and result in fines or imprisonment for repeated offenses. Peterson was right

>>10171252
Too anglocentric

>>10173042
Get cancer and rot you fucking mongrel.

>>10171315
Seconded.

>>10172003
Milton is trash though

>>10171100
Peterson has such normie taste in literature it's so cute

>>10172339
A ton of books he's talked about are actually missing from the list. I'm not sure why.

>>10171252
>Also why does he suck Neeche's dick so much? Isn't Peterson advocating religiousness?
Are you retarded? Was it autism?

>>10174133
psychedelics?

>>10174234
much less cool. college stress dreams

btw psychs don't make you see shit like that unless you talking about DMT

>>10174133
Is this one of the "apocalyptic dreams" he sometimes references to?

>>10174256
who fucking cares nigger the dude's off his rocker

>>10174259
>the dude's off his rocker
I honestly don't think so, he's doing a good job but he definitely has a bit of a messiah thing undertoning a lot of his deeds, which is rather offputting

>>10174281
jfc do you dullards think in his stupid mythology shit too?

>>10174286
He has brought nothing new to the table in that sense, that's just Jung he is applying
When I was young and read Jung I thought it was retarded, but with age I've found that his archetypes didn't come from thin air and that he was a very sharp and articulate observer.

>>10171252
Your criticism of someone can't be taken too seriously if you have literally never read/ watched/ listened to any of their material.

>>10171315
t. tranny

>>10171991

>Morrissey

>>10172608
He's not a philosopher, though. During his discussion with Paglia on Pomo, he told her to explain postmodernist philosophers to him. He literally didn't say a single word about them other than calling them "tricksters" and never once indicated he read their works.
How the fuck can you call that intellectual?

>>10172518
I am from Ontario and you are full of shit. Peterson is tenured and there was 0 chance of him getting fired. The teachers and professors unions in Ontario are extremely powerful. There have teachers caught selling cocaine to kids and snorting it with them, beating children, and much worse, without getting fired. I've actually gone to school here and know how it is. Teachers and professors can get away with murder here and still keep their job. Peterson wasn't going anywhere and he knew it.

>>10173707
That's embarrassing for you

>>10175288

Seems far more legitimately intellectual than most academic personalities, because he's actually willing to act like someone else has more knowledge than he does on a given topic.

>>10175792
>he's actually willing to act like someone else has more knowledge than he does on a given topic.
k but the problem arises when that topic is what he has built his popularity atracking. I know undergrads who atleast seem to have a better understanding of french pomo than him, and he is certainly more intelligent than them, and it's his job!

>>10175802

His job is clinical psychology, not philosophy. His background knowledge is primarily in Psychotherapy, Jung, obsessive study of 20th century totalitarianism, and reading the relevant philosophy and literature of such.

His criticism of postmodernism isn't a philosophically technical debunk. His criticism is based on critiquing the resulting actions and psychological confusion of seriously attempting to accomplish postmodernism, as well as citing a body of western humanities that critiques the underlying psychological thrust of postmodernism.

>Trigger warning: These are the most terrifying books I have encountered.
wow, how politically incorrect and cool.

>>10172381
So, it started with calling him a pseud. Then /his/ started calling him a facist and now he's just Anita Sarkeesian. What do you guys think is next?

>listening to this guy

>>10171991

Now THIS is good pasta

>>10176365
>Implying you're an anti-fascist by attacking an anti-fascist with a straw-man meme image that implies he's a fascist
For what nefarious purpose do you do this?

>>10176365
He can't keep getting AWAY with it!

>>10176947
the guy IS a racist, and a sexist
He tries to organize his worldview according to Jugian archetypes while subscribing to the belief in a subjunctive self-conscious that will undermine everything you do until you "master it". He's a brainlet who has spent most of his life with sycophants, or acting as one; that's all you'll learn how to do by watching this man.

>>10176993
Are you equating making distinctions between race and sex with hating different races and sexes? If so, are the sciences inherently racist and sexist to you?

>>10172486
>citing examples dishonestly is better than not citing at all

>>10177006
Yes.

>>10173153
Whoa... so one legislator agreed with him....

How about the Canadian Bar Association, that came out and said that he was blatantly wrong? How about all of the other legislators who disagreed with him and passed the bill? Why is one legislator agreeing with him confirmation that he's right, but all of the people who disagree with him isn't confirmation that he's wrong? It's because you view Peterson as the oppressed figure and everyone disagreeing with him as the evil oppressor, even though he literally got invited to debate about the bill when leaders of trans rights movements were denied.

>>10174133
Damn, when did this happen?

>>10177083
You can disprove and argue against examples. If someone just goes 'muh postmodernism is evil" how do you even respond to that? They don't even have an argument, they're just resorting to vague bullshit.

>>10171100
Peterson loves to bitch about French writers but then shows his ignorance of French lit by recommending Stendhal (great recommendation) but not even Balzac whom heavily influenced Dostoyevski, or Flaubert who was superior to both.
He didn't even mention Chateaubriand's Genius of Christianity. It's just weird.

>>10171100
This guy looks like a faggot which completely negates anything he says since his being goes against what he says.
He is a fucking hack, $66k a month for "research".

>>10177537
t. delusional tranny

>>10175819
He doesn't even realize that this sort of psychologizing arguments are actually postmodern.

He is not asking whether post-modernism is actually true as a philosopher. He is saying that if it were true a lie would actually be more useful/pleasurable. Which is a nietzschean argument on how too much truth seeking can be a sign of illness.

>>10177689
It's ok desu, you just got blown out of the water.

>>10177769
>Refusing to refer to a trans person by their chosen name and a personal pronoun that matches their gender identity, or purposely misgendering, will likely be discrimination when it takes place in a social area covered by the Code, including employment, housing and services like education.
t. Ontario Human Rights Commission

>>10177796
>literally every other involved party including Bar and Supreme Court specifically clarified that nobody will ever be forced to use different pronouns or punished for refusing to use them
>hurr durr this was said once before it was published
Just give up, poltard, you're already dead.

>>10177837
C-16 doesn't define gender pronouns, gender identity or gender expression; it's up to the courts and commisions (such as the Ontario Human Rights Commission) to define how enforcement will work. But yeah, people clearly interested in passing it told us this preocupation, the most powerful argument leveled against Bill C-16, is nonsensical, so of course it won't happen.

>>10171991
>Newborn babe tier, above all others
Jews (for the Bible)

>>10172797
Work on your reading comprehension laddie

>>10177689
>Oh fuck I think he just proved me wrong, what do I do? Fuck fuck cfdv he's winning the argument. I know, I'll call him a tranny, that'll show him.

>>10178219
>>10177796
>>10177871

He should read Dalbiez and Allers to complement Jung and Freud

>>10172426

West =Jerusalum+Athens. Judaic thought, i.e., Christianity, is Western

>>10172130
Read both pleb, BGE first

>>10171100

I hate this fag, but the list is solid. Nuffin wrong.

>>10171100
>great books
>includes his own

>>10172426
>If The Sumerians with Gilgamesh and also the Egyptians are part of the West
They're not and no sane person ever claimed they were.

>>10177006
the guy is a nazi apologist
the guy holds contradictory opinions on identity, psychology, and how sex and gender are affected by them

he's a tenured prof in a morally bankrupt discipline crying about a literal fucking conspiracy in another made up field. He deserves the 'x', pick your method.

to address your original criticism,
>distinctions are -ist
we know that is impossible to answer briefly, so I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader. He has systemic bias that bleeds into his normal discussion and turns them into polemic rantings with no basis; he has a lifetime of creating convoluted apologetics to use as fuel

>>10179042
back to neogaf, subhuman

>>10177871
Step by tiny step, thats the road to hell. The Doc was correct, and politicians just want votes. Get real, this man fights for your freedom.

>>10179117
what is that? most boomers are racist, but what has JP done for anyone? He genuinely is a drag on society

>>10174359
>that's just Jung he is applying
Confirmed for not knowing shit about Jung

>>10179117
YOU GOT HIM! GO PICKLE RICK!

>>10179042
>the guy is a nazi apologist
You haven't actually watched his stuff then, I take it? Or can you provide source? Because I can provide minutes from his talks where he expresses a very strong stance against the Nazis and concern for modern society devolving back into something like the Nazi regime or the Soviet Union, because he considers them ideologies which are like "crippled religions" for the weak, and he has talked multiple times about the chimpanzee case where tyrannical chimps fail as group leaders and how hierarchies formed around raw power like the Nazis are doomed to fail.

>>10179306
>You haven't read all his work so you can't criticize him

i can't be bothered to listen to all his inane prattling, or his lame attempts at discourse. He isn't a powerful thinker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBu6xI1iUM0

Criticizing the marketing campaign/ideology is empty criticism. It is as vapid as critiquing the lowest common denominator, and as valuable

>>10179342
There's no Nazi apologetic stance in that video. Discussing the rationale of Hitler or even determining certain aspects of it as justifiable or admirable is not being a Nazi apologist. That's a simplification of what he stands for. I suggest you study more.

>>10179306
I don't understand why Petersonfaggots feel like people have to be intimately familiar with him before deciding they don't care
I never got into feminism because it didn't interest me intellectually. I got driven away from liberalism because I was constantly told that I had to care about it. After a certain point a lack of interest is self-justifying: if I don't want to read something, you can't make me. If I don't want to watch a video, you can't make me. Not unless you're some sort of totalitarian in a position of power over me--which you aren't. You're just a dilettante on /lit/.
I do not care about Jordan Peterson. I only know who he is because troglodytes constantly post about him here.

>>10179373
>I don't understand why Petersonfaggots feel like people have to be intimately familiar with him before deciding they don't care
If you want to make a claim about someone (i.e. that he is a Nazi apologist that holds contradictory opinions), then actually fucking study the person. Or don't and get called the clueless twat that you are.

>>10179369
>"abundance of civilization"
you didn't watch the video
>>10179381
>meta fag jerking off a false idol
bro, at least watch the viddy before shitposting

so when peter-boy begs the question of why women leave work from professional designations, it isn't sexist to you? You know making shit up?

>>10179385
>you didn't watch the video
I did. There's no Nazi apologizing, this retarded shit is as valid as calling Nietzsche a precursor to the Nazis, especially considering most of what Peterson says is shaped by or directly from Nietzsche and Jung.

>>10179381
I am not the person who called him a Nazi apologist--but he is that, among other things.
>>10179393
Nietzsche was a precursor to the Nazis. So was Hegel. So was Kant. So was Luther.

>>10179393
>he way he describes cleanliness in relation to removing persons; civilization and cleanliness with regards to conscientiousness, which he uses in its big 5 personality descriptor definition. (but everything he says is jung/niet, k)

"abundance of civ created nazism"
>no one got merc'd in the streets
>it wasn't a bunch of rowdy assholes pompously pushing their opinion on others and having "the weak" jump the shark
>armed revo is civ
Well he is and that's that

He also isn't particularly interesting or engaging, but he is of course well spoken. When someone dedicates that much time to writing and speaking I'd hope he would be.

>>10179396
Look at you naming all these people you haven't read because you don't have to be intimately familiar with someone before deciding things about them.

>>10179416
dude Nietzsche was schizophrenic, and would often critique his own writing within the same paragraph (letters, assorted works). He is a king contrarian who believed in usurping your present-state, which is basically an endless loop of self-destruction. His philosophy at 10 miles up sounds passable, but is completely incoherent.

>>10179421
>dude Nietzsche was schizophrenic
The fun stops here.

>>10179425
>ethnonationalist murderer who can't put a coherent sentence together
that's why memes aren't good for you

>>10179412
But he's right. By abundance of civilization he means culture. Germany was a cultural powerhouse, for the past couple centuries they were producing a huge amount of Europe's culture and intellectual elite. I'd like to hear how you consider this observation the same as being a Nazi apologetic — in what way does making this observation mean he supports them?

>>10179443
>WESTERN CIV

damn that's a strong argument thanks for tossing some more apologetics onto his apologetics.

Let me ask you a question, did he say that? or was civ currently a direct analogy in his discourse?

>>10179455
Answer mine first, douchebag.

>>10179460
1. He didn't say that.
2. i've already made my point
>conscientiousness is a great quality, the best quality.
>conscientiousness is civ
>naturally hitler would express his high consc/civ by removing low IQ/mentally ill
literally what he says in the viddy, but have fun being a brainlet

>>10179471
isn't begging the question of, "only brainlets fall prey to nazism (and other ideologies made for brainlets)" also apologetics?
How isn't that justifying it's existence in a roundabout and leading manner?

>>10179471
You aren't making any point. There is no logical connection yet illustrated by you between any of this and being a Nazi supporting apologist.

You are wrong about this, and you are wrong because you have done little investigating into what Peterson says. Go ahead and actually watch something of his — try the first video in his Biblical series for example, it's less than 3 hours. It'll shoot you down rather quick if you pay attention.

>>10179500
>his other videos exonerate him
Honestly denouncing something isn't enough to (not) be something.
>3hr youtube video takedown
Yeah, thanks lit

>>10173042
Yes, socialists are douchebags. But peterson is a scumbag too

>>10173236
.. only two of those authors are anglo

>>10179515
>living in modern society
>calling people a socialist or capitalist
it's time to stop

>>10177837
if it wont be enforced then what the fuck is the point of the legislation, that's retarded

>>10179508
>Honestly denouncing something isn't enough to (not) be something.
He rejects the notion of Nazism at a fundamental level, because he characterizes it as

1. An ideology formulated out of consequence of growing nihilism, part of Nietzsche's prediction of what would happen after the God ideal lost its weight in Western society. Ideologies are herd mentality.

2. Having appropriated the Overman concept out of context for their own ideological schemes.

3. A sociopolitical system that does not work in animal or human societies as indicated by research and history.

Peterson, like Nietzsche and Jung, is fundamentally against herd mentality (= ideologies). He is extreme individualism. Now, this can INDIRECTLY lead to a Hitler, but it is not the same as directly supporting the growth of one. Extreme individualism is another aspect of growing nihilism in the world, but it can flourish further in an infinite number of ways.

>>10179508
>Honestly denouncing something isn't enough to (not) be something.
this is dumb

>>10171315
this

>>10179552
I should add that the Western culture that defeated the Nazis was also based on extreme individualism, but from the angle of one of its other offshoots.

>>10179567
you're arguing with a crypto-SJW
he considers you (and peterson) racist/sexist/nazi until proven otherwise

>>10179552
>excluding the god from ideology
k weak argument that begs the question of his existence, and predicates the comparison
>overman for ideological schemes
sadly the idea of a human incarnate of the overman is based around genetics and pragmatic logos; it would never be achieved on practice alone, and would need to be bred for (natural supposition but yeah you could call it ideological poaching)
>sociopolitical systems (don't) exist as plantonic ideals
yeah, k

>generalizing a person's influence on history by summarizing their belief system
that's not how that works, but you're reaching by supposition like I am, so sure - he might not lead to hitler. That isn't what apologetics means, it is the modern institutionalized lay-word for sophism, but sophism as a word has a strongly ingrained implicit deliberateness, which presupposes the individual is crafting speciousness; peterson does not from my perspective. He believes in individuals, but he kind of sabotages himself. He isn't an anarchist, but really only because he isn't willing to accept the hate

>>10179571
>civilizations battle and the ideology has anything to do with it
much more simple to look at lives lost/time bought during winter in russia, and the banking system that supported trade between the US and the UK. Thereafter the war is even simpler; Japan.

>>10179596
i genuinely don't care either way (whether you're racist/etc) but I made a claim and instantly supported it, but i get all this bullshit apologetics instead of a straight admissal that ur god spoke out of turn - checkmate theists

>>10179644
dude the pseud is coming off of you so thick i can barely pay attention to what you're saying everything in my instincts is screaming at me that I should mock you

>>10179654
>pseud
you're shitposting on 4chan; you are what you hate

>>10179661
you keep saying dumb stuff

>>10179675
but you aren't critiquing it you're just shitposting tho amirite desu?

>>10179679

>>10179691
That's it? Is this (You)r thread or something friendo?

>>10179694
>friendo

>>10179699
Tbh didn't do it eh

>>10171100

>>10171311
>>10173765
>le nietzche was actually pro-religion
nice meme

>>10179416
I've read at least one text by everyone I mentioned in that post. Have you? Do you know that 'precursor' is not necessarily a word that expresses moral value?

>>10179181
>People should be strong so they can be useful in society and actually make things better around them
>drag on society

>Some groups of people have it worse because western institutions are fundamentally opressive (meritocratic), and the victim has the right to feel resentment towards their opressors. The current system is being held up by the group with the most power, and since western structures, language, logic, institutions, are structurally set up by white men to advantage them, it's impossible to even have a dialog. And to achive full equity, all western structures must be brought down, so nobody can prosper in life and everybody will remain equally incompetent.
>healthy message to improve society

100% A N G L O

>>10180129
>strength
Alrighty then, wait how is he helping again?

>>10171252
Both Nietzsche and Peterson are anti-dogmatism.

>>10181244
I can't think of many people in the West who are "pro-dogmatism." Chinese Legalists, maybe.

>>10181299
think harder

>>10181664
I guess Catholic clergymen? Con artists masquerading as Baptist preachers? Nobody anyone takes seriously.
How about you name some names instead of appealing to generalities?

>>10181299
Anyone part of the American radical right or left are.

>>10181856
What about the European left and right? Who are you talking about? Jordan Peterson isn't a dogmatist. Actually the most dogmatic political personalities of which I'm aware are centrist anti-Trumpers.

>>10181869
Vocal radicals among the right and left in America are full of dogmatists as far as I'm concerned and as far as I've seen. It's basically a prerequisite to be one. Or do you think the idiots we see at protests and on /pol/ AREN'T BOTH representations of herd mentality?

>>10171252
listen, peterson is a mediocre z-list celebrity that nobody cares about outside of his weird online cult of personality, but if he's convincing a bunch of spergs and virgins to read good shit like Dostoevsky and Tolstoy, good on him, and I mean that unironically

>>10181902
OK but I asked you about Europeans and people that are taken seriously. Peterson isn't a dogmatism.

>>10181949
Dost and Tols are pseud

>>10174133
dayum.

>>10174133
>my cousin Diane, who was in truth — in waking life — the most beautiful woman I had ever seen.

>>10181963
>Jordan "anyone who isn't a center-right neoliberal is mentally ill" Peterson isn't a dogmatist
He's literally so dogmatic he doesn't even realize he preaches from a dogma. The guy's a joke and too many people don't get the punchline.

>>10182632
A dogmatist wouldn't tell you to think for yourself, make something of yourself, read Nietzsche, etc.

>>10171252
Surprised he didn't list Spengler.

>>10181971
classicccc

>>10181869
> centrist anti-Trumpers .
dat intellectualism

>>10171100

>>10178249
>West =Jerusalum
No, stopped reading there.

>>10177871
>>10179118
Yes you're right, clearly our Lord and Savior Jordan Peterson said it will happen, ergo it absolutely will happen. This is nothing more than fearmongering and a slippery slope argument. The possibility that a law can be changed or modified to be something you don't like will always exist so long as you live in a representative republic. Saying "well let's not give these people human rights, because what if they THEN change THIS and then THIS later" is an argument you can use for virtually any legislation. You could just as easily argue "let's not give black people human rights, because what if the human rights commission decides to arrest people for using nigga?" If you have a problem with the mere possibility of laws changing, then don't live in a democracy.

>>10182641
Lel

>>10171315
For every Peterson-thread you delete, two new pop up. Let them have it

>>10171110
No Tolkien?!?!? Reeeeeeeeee

>>10177871
>>10179118
No, the whining about Bill C-16 was nothing more than a bunch of virtue signalling by Peterson, a "look at me, I'm a warrior for free speech" type of deal. Bill C-16 is modification of the Canadian Human Rights Act, a federal bill that only has federal jurisdiction, to include gender identity. It doesn't even affect Peterson, because universities fall under provincial jurisdiction. Furthermore, it specifically covers discrimination when it comes to employment or receiving goods and services, not just any random conversation between random individuals. It is not the same as the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. So if you're trans and get denied service by a bank, you can now file a complaint to the Canadian Human Rights Commission. They will try to find some way to settle the dispute informally, and if they can't and think it's legitimate after an investigation, the actual "court" is the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal. A random guy misgendering you has nothing to do with it.

It's the same thing with the Ontarian Human Rights code, it deals mainly with discrimination based on employment or distribution of goods and services. Peterson's lectures don't even have anything to do with it, there's a reason why he never ended up in trouble with Ontario Human Rights Commission after whining about gender pronouns. If Peterson demanded trans students to be kicked out of his lectures then there may have been a case, but just whining about gender pronouns isn't enough. Most provinces also already had some kind of similar anti-discriminatory bill with tribunals in place before Bill C-16 ever became a thing. You have to wonder why now, then, is Peterson complaining about this. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that he wants attention and money from the gullible anti-SJW crowd? Hmmm....

>>10183498
>implying Peterson has even read Derrida