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10159973 No.10159973 [Reply] [Original]

why is so much of literature so miserable and depressing? is it because writers generally sad people?

just looking at required reading "classics" in high school and literally none of them are positive

grapes of wrath - boo hoo these poor people suffer every day

old man and the sea - boo hoo the old man worked so hard but then the sharks ate the fish

1984 - in the future the government will torture people and brainwash them

catcher in the rye - literally just an emo kid moping around

hamlet - literally everyone kills each other/dies

are there any "great" books that aren't just depressing and tragic? honestly the only non-depressing book we had to read was huckleberry finn, and it was the hokiest nonsense.

what are some good books that are actually inspiring?

>> No.10159988

there are plenty of comedies, you know

>> No.10159990

>>10159973
old man and the sea is fucking empowering though

>> No.10159995

>>10159973

The Iliad and the Odyssey.
Thus Spoke Zarathustra.
Don Quijote.

>> No.10159998

>>10159973
>are there any "great" books that aren't just depressing and tragic?
Brideshead Revisited

>> No.10160003

>>10159973
Great writers seek to tell the truth and the truth is the world is a sad place

>> No.10160013

>>10159973
Because in order for something to be inspiring, it needs to have sadness. You need contrast. A story of nothing but a hero succeeding would be boring as all fuck. There are books about people becoming better people, but they're "depressing", since, again, a book of nothing but someone kicking ass would be didactic and boring.

>> No.10160016

>>10159995
>Don Quijote.
>not tragic

>> No.10160020

>>10159973
Because of catharsis

>> No.10160024

>>10159990
actually you're right, it was, shouldn't be on the list, but it was still kind of tragic

>> No.10160052
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>>10160013
>>10160013
it's not just that the heroes are being beaten, it's that the whole point seems to be that the there is disorder and tragedy. everyone knows "life sucks blah blah blah", how about "but face it!" or something triumphant like that?

>> No.10160074

>>10159973
Because real life is miserable and depressing, you goddamn moron.

>> No.10160086

>>10159995
>The Iliad
>not depressing
Literally about the horrors of war and the futility of life

>> No.10160092

>>10160052
It descends from the Greek Tragedy. You're supposed to vent your own frustrations with the Tragic Hero to achieve Catharsis. There are books that are considered classics where the hero eventually triumphs. See, for examples from the last century, since you don't seem the type to enjoy literature from further back than 1914:
>Parade's End
>Brideshead Revisited
>A Portrait of an Artist as a Young Man

>> No.10160093

Our English curriculum was nothing but miserable white guilt novels

>muh slavery
>muh trail of tears
>muh holocaust

repeat until sick

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>>10160074
to you maybe, but ask someone like conor mcgregor who buys and fucks whatever he wants whenever he wants and does so because of his own hard work if life is so depressing, and think he might hesitate

i'm tired of this emo shit people seem to jerk off to and then the lesson is "life is hard", yea no shit cry more about it, \

>>10160092
thanks for these suggestions. im afraid my life will turn to shit one day and its because i read too many books where thats exactly what happens

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10160173

you sound stupid and entirely lacking perspective on the human condition 2bh

>> No.10160175

Because life is suffering?

>> No.10160178

>>10160147
You have the choice to cry about it or not but the objective truth is that the world is a miserable place however you look at it. One happy guy doesn't compensate for all the shit humans beans like to do/be

>> No.10160182

>>10160173
this

>> No.10160184

>>10160093
no joke we had to read anne frank's diary, night by elie wiesel, the book thief, number the stars through middle and high school, and the only number i remember from school apart from 1776 and 1492 was fucking 6 million 6 million 6 million seriously all this emo shit, humans are fucking evil, life is a tragedy, nothing exists. "we've made mistakes......that we should never repeat...." how about shit we should actually do and strive for?

>> No.10160200

>>10160092
>A Portrait of an Artist as a Young Man
That's somewhat debatable. He is Icarus, after all.

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>>10160175
>>10160173
>>10160178
>if only you knew how miserable life REALLY is
yea no shit, kids die, blah blah blah tell me more

but any story WORTH telling isn't some emo nihilistic shit, there are certainly people who don't just sit around and suffer, stories about these people, that are ALSO part of reality that impart MEANING instead of a lazy "tough luck pal... in the end it doesn't even matter....."

>> No.10160217

>>10160200
I mean, it's left ambiguous, but this guy should take it to mean that he did well.

>>10160147
If you want something written before 1914, check out Crime and Punishment or War and Peace.

>> No.10160224

>>10160184
you're living it you fucking mong. the fact this is the canon you refer to (that doesn't sugar-coat the human condition) in living in a first-world country and having the internet is testament to that. even fucking nietzsche, herald of the overman from the ashes of morality, recognized the necessity of tragedy and giving the spectrum of what *Is* its due

if you don't want to engage in the human condition mapped out over 2 millenia (yet somehow proceeds despite this """emo shit""""?????) then all the better for you if you ignore it and continue referring to mcgregor or the like as ideals

>> No.10160229

Moby Dick
Divine Comedy

>> No.10160233

>>10160224

>history is nothing but tragedy and misery

read a book you nig

>> No.10160252

>>10160216
no story has been about a guy who just sit and suffer. Books are depressing when they depict the reality but the hero isn't just a slobbery loser

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>>10159973
>my high school reading is depressing :(
you should thank God you had to read classic literature and not contempory you asshole

>> No.10160257

the alchemist
a well written, simple story that basically boils down to "you do you". just try not to think of the oprah circus that gets associated with it.

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>>10160252
What he said. Even Notes from Underground isn't about a schlub who sits in his basement and nothing else. It's about terrible person who appears decent outwardly contrasted by a good person who appears awful outwardly.

>> No.10160259

>>10160257
>simple story that basically boils down to "you do you"
t. Rick and Morty fan

>> No.10160261

>>10159973
journey to the end of the night

an uplifting book

>> No.10160263

>>10160052
you're thinking of anime

>> No.10160266

>>10160147
McGregor was exceptionally poor 4 years prior to making it big and collecting welfare cheques. How about a vast majority of Irish people who are on the dole, struggling to find their place and realising they can't take hits to the head in order to "make it"

>> No.10160274

Fun, happy = sensory, hedonist, mindless entertainment. Sadness appeals to the intelligent mind.

Basically, if you don't like sad texts, you're a pleb who should go watch the newest Adam Sandler movie or watch anime.

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>>10160224
>>10160252


>books are depressing when they depict reality

simply not true! i have an uncle and he as 350, but he lost 200 lbs at the age of 40 and got married to a beautiful wife and now has two children. he was this close to dying a fat lonely fan and somehow he turned it around.

his family isn't going to die in a tragic accident and he isn't going to realize how futile and everything is meaningless. he's going to die with his children and grandhcildren at his bedside and his wife holding his hand.

>> No.10160280

>>10160277
Yes, and to what extent does he really know his wife? To what extent will a 40 year old man be able to properly raise children? To what extent does any of that actually make him happy? To what extent is his wife just Winnie Verloc, trapped in a marriage to a massive, fat old man because of financial security?

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10160283

The one thing I know is that having read at least some of the canon, I'm happy to not be as stupid as op.

>> No.10160303

>>10160258
>>10160258
the dude just mopes about how miserable he was and even him giving the inspirational speech to the prostitue was motivated because he's a manipulative loser?

he doesn't literally sit around, but all he does is bemoan how much of a loser he was, the only actual message is "don't be like this guy"

>> No.10160307

>>10160277
>his family isn't going to die in a tragic accident and he isn't going to realize how futile and everything is meaningless

uhh buddy, you have *no idea* how its going to end until it ends. death can come at any time. you dismiss tragedy flippantly because you lack life experience. at the very least by your mid 20's you will know several people you grew up with who have been killed in car accidents, workplace accidents, rare diseases, drug overdoses, etc.

e.g. I'm 26, a guy I grew up with from kindergarten fell out of a building at a construction site and bled out when he (we, since he was in my year all through grade school) was 23. a few months later his 22 y/old fiance's 16 year old sister died of a fentanyl overdose in a starbucks bathroom. what do you think this girl would respond to you, whose kid sister and fiance had died in the space of less than half a year, if you went up to her and gave her your idiotic spiel about your uncle? you've got a dopey attitude man

>> No.10160317

>>10160280
so theres positives and negatives to everything, doesn't mean you have to dwell on the negatives and pretend its profound, since being happy is still a goal that we all have, regardless of how many times you insist "life is suffering" you still smile when a girl texts back

>> No.10160318

>>10160303
>He ignores the character of Liza as not only an independent actor, but the moral good of the novel

>> No.10160327

Everyone please leave OP alone. He's convinced that life can be a sweet thing and that's all he needs. Why try to take another human being down into the grime?...

OP, don't bother with books if you want to be happy. These people tell you to read Nietzsche for positivity, but even Nietzsche will lead your mind to thoughts it ought not to bother following. Just get out there and grab the world by the pussy, and don't think about things too much. Advice from a friend.

>> No.10160335

The great counterthesis, E7, is not literature at all.
You're in the wrong medium, and thereby you are missing the great masterwork.
Literature is written by der Letzte Mensch.
>>10160263
No, he's essentially summarized the argument of the fr*nch 'existentialists'.

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>>10160307
why don't you jerk yourself off over how hard your life was, how many people you saw die and how it scarred you emotionally and hardened you, no shit things can go bad, but we all hope they don't and sometimes they go well, but somehow seeing people succeed isn't romantic enough to include in your sappy rant

>> No.10160341

>>10159973
My theory is this: nearly every form of expression, entertainment, and recreation doubles as a form of escape from the daily grind of the reality and the mainstream society around you. The people most likely to engage in these as a form of escape from the daily grind and reality and whatnot are also the people who are incentivized to do so by their failure to fit in and are miserable because of their personal failures and loneliness.

Also, the only time I've ever been inspired to write anything of value was when I was miserable.

>> No.10160348

>>10160052
What's that from and who is that? She's gorgeous...

>> No.10160354

>>10159973
>boo hoo these poor people suffer every day
So let's change things.

>boo hoo the old man worked so hard but then the sharks ate the fish
So let's keep moving forward and don't let lack of instant success turn us into emo faggots.

>in the future the government will torture people and brainwash them
So let's pay attention and don't fall for muh terrorism memes to prevent that.

>literally everyone kills each other/dies
BECAUSE they were idiots obsessed by power and revenge. So, let's not be like that.

You only found that shit depressing because you're a weak faggot who can't handle looking at the dark sides of humanity without wanting to give up, instead of letting it motivating you to surpass that shit.

>>10160093
>learning from the past
>muh miserable white guilt
Why would you even identify with the people based on their whiteness? The main point are their horrible actions, not by who or against who, and how these actions shaped the world. We could get that learning about Chinese history with few differences and smaller impact on the world beyond China.

>> No.10160355

>>10160341
>All forms of expression are escapism
Read The Waste Land and tell me that

>> No.10160356

>>10159973
Kim Stanley Robinson's "Mars" books are somewhat utopic. If you like hard sci-fi they are worth a shot.

>> No.10160363

>>10160327
>i'm miserable because i'm too intelligent
keep drinking your whiskey and telling yourself that

>> No.10160373

>>10160256
My high school didn't have literature lol

>> No.10160383

>>10160340
He's not doing that at all. He's just explaining why dismissing tragedy the way you do is stupid and shows a lack of life experience.

I can respect your tough attitude, especially in today's pussy society, but don't be unrealistic. Sometimes unexpected and life-altering/ending tragedy is just part of reality.

>> No.10160387

>>10160318
genuinely, how was she the moral good? i always thought she was just the victim

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10160391

We have to accept that the world is by and large shit.

Once we accept it we can no longer ignore it. So we have two choices: wallow in it, or understand that we most likely cannot change it, and attack it with courage anyway.

I personally think that the more you're exposed to in terms of anything academic, the less depressed you become. You're just in the stage where you're depressed from what you've been exposed to. Image related.

>> No.10160392

>>10160387
She refuses his money. She leaves his money on the table, and never sees him again. Think about what that implies about her moral character as opposed to his.

>> No.10160395

>>10160391
op's the one at the bottom of the rung

>> No.10160397

>>10160355
>all forms of expression are escapism
Not what I said at all, anon. But that all forms of expression, among other things, CAN serve as escapism, even if that isn't their primary purpose.

>> No.10160407

tragedies are the highest form of storytelling, hence they can be made into literature.

>> No.10160409

>>10160363
Who said I thought I was intelligent? I've just encountered some bad thoughts and I know they came from books. This was not a feat of stunning brainpower or something. And I don't drink.

>> No.10160412

>>10159973
Let's make OP a list of life-affirming books. I'll start

>Leaves of Grass

>> No.10160418

>>10160412
except tragedy is inherently and literally life-affirming

t. Aristotelian catharsis

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>>10160415
>Ulysses

>> No.10160427

>>10160412
>The Brothers Karamazov

>> No.10160429

A quote I found that kind of explained the pain of life for me was from an essay on Dostoyevsky.
"Even Ivan Karamazov says he would 'respectfully return the ticket' to God when he realizes that he can neither accept the fact of suffering in the world, nor change the world to eliminate it wholly, nor comprehend the truth which alone makes it intelligible and endurable."

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>>10160355
>>10160356
thanks for rec

>>10160354
ok so they were all just lessons/warnings, i'd take that, better than the "wake up life is suffering" crowd

>> No.10160446

>>10160392
i always thought it was just a "fuck off" to the loser character, "your money isn't worth shit to me"

>> No.10160453

>>10160348
right click search google for image genius

>> No.10160559

>>10160453
Turns out she's from Brazil.

>> No.10160566

>>10160559
wherever she's from if i saw her irl and she told me to kill myself, i'd do it gladly

>> No.10160571

>>10160566
>implying it would be because she told you to and not because you're a sad fuck

>> No.10160590

>>10159973
This is so American

>> No.10160592

>>10160147
Your life is going to be shit and its because you have a double digit IQ. And I don't mean that in a negative way sweetheart.

>> No.10160594

>>10160283
I love these dumbbell thrads they make me feel smard lol

>> No.10160609

>>10160093
Fucking this. I will never forgive my kike teachers for this.

Since I spent all of high school reading about "muh slavery" and "muh holocaust" when I should have been reading Shakespeare and Homer, I'm still trying to repair the damage by trying to read classics I should have read when I was 15 or 16.

>> No.10160612

Most classic novels are depressing shit, I don't think anyone will argue that.

Sounds like poetry is for you.
All the beauty of language, minus the woe is me emo nonsense (unless you're reading Baudelaire or Poe).

Then again, you might read Yeats or something and then get second hand depressed that you will never write something even 1% as beautiful as one of his minor poems.

>> No.10160613

>>10159973
reading/writing is an evolutionary tool - devoting your life to it is masturbation - of course these people are going to have a miserable outlook

>> No.10160691

>>10159973
Because you're supposed to read them and think how can I make the world better and less like this.

Our institutions are plagued with corruption and abuses of power, what are you going to do about it

>> No.10160767

There are millions of hero based novels and stories out there throughout time, take Jack Reacher, the reason eng professors don't like them is 'cause they know they're stupid

>> No.10160773

GARGANTUA AND PANTAGRUEL

>> No.10160776

>>10160086
it's about the hollowness of glory, not the futility of life

>> No.10160777

>>10160571
that's part of the fetish idiot, its like you've never wanted to be humiliated before

educate yourself:
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph584d461e412e7

>> No.10160783

>>10160093
you are an entitled faggot and your teachers did you a favor trying to let you know about it. every class has it's share of invincibly stupid mouth breathers like you though. you'll do fine working at a gas station

>> No.10160790

>>10160280
why the fuck can't a 40 year old man raise children? he'll be in his early 60s when they graduate college, and then he can die whenever and get out of their way

>> No.10160795

>>10160307
you are right my dude which anime should i watch to understand how dark the world really is?

>> No.10160806

>>10160795
evangelion

>> No.10160927

>>10160783

triggered as fuck

enjoy your african diaspora shitlit, I'll be reading Proust and Joyce

>> No.10160938

>>10160024
I didn't see it as tragic, Hemmingway could have easily done a Moby Dick 'The Old Man dies at sea in his battle against nature!' but instead, it was a celebration of the old man's battles with nature and the joys of a simple life.

A lot of the books you listed end tragically but have upbeat and downbeat moments: A book without struggle wouldn't be a very interesting book, struggle often causes misery.

>> No.10161062

>the world is a sad place
Compared to what other place?

>> No.10161126

Why are you posting whores?

>> No.10161353

>>10161062
your desire

>> No.10161398

If you want happy stories then read visual novels.

>> No.10161426

>>10160003
Not really. Third worlders living in squaller aren't even sad until someone exposes their own conditions to them, not to mention people in the west who are succeeding and living passionately.

>> No.10161435

You have to be 18 to post here

>> No.10161549

Mark Twain's stuff is cheery but still considered classic. It's pretty good shit.

>> No.10161552

>>10161426
THe world is sad not the mindless sheep living in it

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>>10159973
ROBINSON CRUSOE
reading it unironically feels just like watching a guy playing single player Minecraft
and then discovering he's actually playing multiplayer
pic related, crusoe even goes over the crafting recipe for bread

>> No.10161808

>>10159995
This has to be bait

>> No.10161829

>>10159973
Writers tend to be intelligent and intelligent people tend to be sad

>> No.10161889

>>10161829
I think its the opposite and sad people tend to be intelligent as you can't really be smart if you're happy

>> No.10161909

>>10159973
1)Reading miserable stuff is more interesting than reading about happy stuff. Look at the news and how filled they are with violence and unfortunate events.
2) Sadness can be molded into many more different forms than happiness. Happiness isn't as flexible.
3) Smart people like the ones that wrote most of the classics tend to be depressed or have mixed feelings about the world/people/everything.
4)Comedy is extremely hard to write well and appeal to many. Extremely subjective medium.
5) Happiness has been linked with juvenily behaviour. Not a coincidence gay once meant happy.

>> No.10161912

>>10161909
*juvenile, sorry not my first language

>> No.10161922

>>10159973
Your problem is that you're an American

>> No.10161934

>>10161889
that isnt the opposite, thats literally the same thing

>> No.10162078

>>10161934
I'm the one he responded to and he's got a point. Bliss restricts intelligence in a different way then intelligence restricts bliss. Chemicals dulling your brain keeping you from worrying to different then worrying to the point that those chemicals stop responding as much.

>> No.10162570

>>10162078
Yes that's the idea but I wouldn't really attach it to chemicals. When you have no problem in your life, when you have success, good relationships ect, there's no point or even time to dwell or think or worry all those things that constitute intelligence in some way.

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>>10161922
How would that be a problem? America is not only the smartest nation in the history of the planet, but it also the most culturally advanced. Americans offer superior and entertaining insights into high literature and global culture, which is why you use our internet to come to our website and speak our language to discuss our literature with us

>> No.10162630

>>10159973
Because no gf.

>> No.10162716

>>10159973
The Canterbury Tales is packed with bantz

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>>10160013
>greek tragedy is about becoming a better man
i can't even as so far this americanism

>> No.10162821

>>10160776
>hollowness of glory is not an expression of futility of life

>> No.10162882

>>10162586
pssst
this is a chinese ranking
it's designed to make you complacent about the state of your institutions
dont tell them i told you
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>> No.10162952

>>10162570
I like you good sir, at the moment I was only thinking the opposite direction but yes blissful joy would impede intelligent thought indeed.

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>>10162586
Fuck yeah man

>> No.10163291

>>10159973
To people of sufficient intelligence, fake positivity and unrealistic happy endings aren't valued, they're found to be boring and sickening lies.

>> No.10163313

>>10159973
I think that most people recognize life is miserable and as such choose to only think about a small number of subjects which they know aren't tragic. Thats why so many people love shit like holidays, blockbuster films, sports etc. its a safe place to invest thought that isn't going to remind you of how miserable existance is.

Thinking about mundane, safe shit is a recipe for not having anything of note to say.

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10163332

Do normies really not feel depression?

>> No.10163464

>>10163332
Everybody "feel" depression, normie is just a shitty mental construct, that allows you to feel better than 80% of population

>> No.10163478

>>10163332
No, we spend our time drowning in pussy so we don't really experience such things as "depression"

>> No.10163654

>>10159973
P.G Wodehouse generally has a positive tone.

>> No.10163808

>>10160777
Shut up, ya cuck.

>> No.10163813

>>10159973
because misery is something everyone can relate to.

>> No.10164578

>>10159973
NOBODY WAS TORTURED IN 1984; THE PROTAGONIST WAS CONVINCED ON WHY BIG BROTHER IS A NECESSITY.
At the end of the book, Winston was directed to room 101 which contains the person's worst fear and that person realizes that deep inside at the end of the day, humans will do what is necessary to survive, even sacrificing someone they "love". Big Brother is always watching for the safety of it's people and for the safety of society, which is Big Brother. That is why it works

>> No.10164624

Who is that qt pie?

>> No.10164676

>>10159973
"Everyone sat around happy. The end." Doesn't make for very compelling writing.

>> No.10164870

>>10159973
>why is so much of literature so miserable and depressing?

"every story is a tragedy if you take it far enough. the trick is to know when to stop telling it." - neil gaiman

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post more cute grls, it isn't /lit/ but it's kind of better you know?

>> No.10165771

>>10164578
>which contains the person's worst fear
That's pretty much torture ...

>> No.10166342

>>10165771
not necessarily, it's to "educate" the prisoners that the individual is willing to throw anyone under the bus that isn't him/her so their worst fears won't be unleashed upon them. The ministry doesn't inflict whatever is in the room onto the person, only presents it.

>> No.10166356

>>10164883
if a girl like that ever even talked to me i can guarantee id be nowhere near /lit/ or any books for that matter

>> No.10166418

>>10160086
if you are depressed by the iliad you're an npc and not a human.

>> No.10166489

>>10159973
This applies to all arts basically

>> No.10166709

>>10166356
Part of me agrees with you, but another part of me remembers that women are more enjoyable when they can talk about books with you. Unless you mean this actual board, in which case, yeah fuck this place.

>> No.10166747

>>10159973
It's a lot easier to bond with a man when you have similar grievances rather than similar interests.

In that same way a book that can truly make you sad touches you more than the book that can make you happy.

>> No.10168055

Artist of all disciplines are generally sad people.

>> No.10168113

>>10159973
Half those books are shit is why.

Good books are usually tragic, but that's because tragedy is empowering. Puts hair on your chest. Nothing pessimistic about a good tragedy.

>> No.10168120

>>10159973
>He doesn't know what life doth

>> No.10168444

>>10160307
Stop being a whiney little cunt. You can either sit there and revel in your misery or you can attempt to make your life better

>>10161889
That’s retarded, plenty of people are smart and happy. They just don’t write gay little books about how shit their life is and use their intelligence to help people

>> No.10168461

count of monte cristo

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>>10162586
>universities full of foreigners
lol k

>but it also the most culturally advanced
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjhpVPUc33o
KEKK

>> No.10170162

>>10159988
Please no.

>> No.10171690

>>10168444
I mean that sad people are more inclined to use their brain than happy people not that happy people are all stupid

>use their intelligence to help people
how? That has nothing to do about it. Intelligence doesn't mean kindfulness.

>> No.10171790

>>10161909
Wait, what? Are you saying homosexuality is juvenile?

>> No.10171835

>>10161552
Tragic =/= sad

>>10161829
Nice pseudointellectual posturing.

>> No.10171976

>>10171835
>Tragic =/= sad
It has no significant difference here

>> No.10172441

>>10159973
i compiled a book, u wan read? https://pastebin.com/PWxTisfa

>> No.10172844

>>10164676
It would be for Lord of the Flies, like if they manages to make their society work against the odds.

Then they get "rescued"

>> No.10173857

Three musketeers
Any if Shakespeare comedies
Most of kafka's works
Most of Camus' works
Pretty much anything by vonnegut
The majority of literature seems depressing if you only look at the depressing literature

>> No.10173883

>>10160216
The point you make isn't hopeless but damn you're fucking annoying.

>> No.10173889

>Stop being a whiney little cunt. You can either sit there and revel in your misery or you can attempt to make your life better

>Dies in tragic accident, then another, younger person also dies in a tragic accident
>the only response you can muster is some modern cliché about #HardWork and #Improvement

Maybe literature is there to teach people that there are things to honestly, uncompromisingly be sad about?