/lit/ - Literature

>>1014734
0/10 gtfo.

this book changed my life

If its anything like The Fountain you'll be lucky to get through ~150 pages. Good luck with the other 800

"Good" book.
Only lefties hate it.

>>1014812

>The Fountain

>>1014854

+head

That book is getting to my head.(no pun intended)

on a related note
ive noticed this book being sold in places it used to not be sold in
(target, wallmart, walgreens)
WTF?!
does /lit/ have anything to do with it?

>>1014828
The fact that you put good in quotation marks makes me question if it truly is.

Having never read it I can't comment on what is good or bad about it, but from the discussions I've read, you seem to be correct about the kind of people who tend to vehemently dislike it.

>>1014866

No, the Economy and Obama government has something to do with ti though

http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=22647

>>1014884
woooooooooooooooow

is beck or someone pushing it?

>>1014894

Dont think so. He's probably more liberal

>>1014894
>implying beck or anyone that follows the fool can read

Canadian here, I blame this so called "tea party" movement I keep hearing about.

>>1014913

I only ever read it because a friend of mine told me to check it out. He knew I was into philosophy. I honestly never finished it because I picked up her non-fiction and couldn't stop reading.

Objectivism is awesome. At least I think so. It seems to be pretty well hated in the philosophical world though.

Also, Rand hated libertarians. Were she alive today she would be disgusted at the TEA movement's love for her books.

Can I give you guys some sage advice?

One generation after another suddenly discovers Ayn's works, buys the fuck out of them, and then it cools down. Rinse. Wash. Repeat.

A lot of philosophers don't have any influence during their lifetime and never do, some influence after death, others have influence during their lifetime but it goes away after death. Right now, we're seeing that Ayn Rand's influence blossomed during her lifetime and is now slowly growing in influence.

I don't know why, but young people tend to be very drawn to the woman's philosophy. Is it her focus on individualism, her certainty, her hard line confidence in being right? Perhaps these kids are tired from bullshit in every other field of life and get attracted to Objectivism, which contrasts with the stuff Nietzsche and Kant wrote.

>>1014987
So the two generations you mean?

>>1014968
Yeah, what is it?

>>1014987

>I don't know why, but young people tend to be very drawn to the woman's philosophy. Is it her focus on individualism, her certainty, her hard line confidence in being right?

I think it's simply the fact that it feeds into(and justifies) their egotism. They haven't yet been humbled by life.

>>1014992
Starting with "The Fountainhead" or "Atlas Shrugged"?

i dont' know why /lit/ hates on ayn rand so much
this is her best imo, the only one i liked

>>1015013
Cause it's against the rules to talk about her

Why is Atlas Shrugged her most popular work? The book is a trainwreck.

Rand wasn't a terrible writer, but Atlas was awful.

Objectivitvism is a joke, regardless.

>>1015018
that seems pretty childish

>>1015018
I liek how everyone ignores that rule, and it barely starts arguments because the arguments have been done to death.

>>1015001
Throughout my course of existence I will make sure that I'm never "humbled".

>>1015023
He wasn't just saying that, it actually is

You have to give her credit for making philosophy relevant to the mainstream through fiction novels, and for her undying passion to make them recognize the importance of philosophy.

The ivory tower philosophers hated this, however, because such popular philosophy discussion holds them accountable for their bullshit nonsense.

>>1015025

Those are famous last words, if I've ever heard them.

>>1015034
This is why it's a rule. Posts like this. Come on guys.

>>1015025
The only alternative is a lifetime of delusions of grandeur.

>>1015035
Sounds like something Ayn Rand would said, considering that throughout her entire life, she never once was humbled by anyone or anything.

>>1015034
/truth
it hurts

>>1015040


link to rule?


And Atlas could have done without the sex scenes.

>>1015043

See:

>>1015042

>>1015034
I swear to God that if anyone ever tells me that "there are no absolutes", or that "we can't be sure of existence" or "reality is just an invention of our consciousness" I won't hesitate to slap them right in the face, on the spot.

>>1015051
You can't just find it yourself?

Here you go faggot: http://www.4chan.org/rules#lit

Oh don't mind me.

>>1015045
Right. She talked about things THEY don't want you to know!
</sarcasm>

>>1015058
wut
counter-sage

there are no absolutes except that consciousness creates reality and we can't be sure of it

>>1015055

Rules 1 and 4 contradict.

Ayn Rand would not be pleased

>>1015042
>>1015050
It's very sad to see that by current standards, the recognition of objective reality, reason, and rational self-interest are considered "delusions".

>>1015068
kind of like The Matrix, right?

>>1015069

To arrive at a contradiction is to confess an error in one’s thinking; to maintain a contradiction is to abdicate one’s mind and to evict oneself from the realm of reality.

>>1015069
You're just so clever.

>>1015069
moot should check his premises

>>1015079
>implying thompson is even close to being as good as rand

>>1015079

>implying HST wouldn't punch that cunt in the face while tripping mushrooms and then write the greatest novel about it.

>>1015025
I'm not the anon who implied that many young people have yet to be "humbled", but I find myself confused as to the point of your post. No one specifically pointed you out, so it's strange that you seem to take offense.

Regardless, if you're on this board, I assume that you're well-read. Even if you're not, nearly everyone is forced to read certain books/plays/poems as they go through school. Plays such as Sophocles' "Oedipus the King", for example, or similar tragedies. If you have read such books, then wouldn't you agree that many things in life aren't necessarily under our control? Do you think Oedipus expected to be humbled?

I don't personally care about your life, and for all I know you will lead a perfect life without being humbled, but history and literature are filled with people who felt similarly to you and were met with the cruelty of the world.

>>1015076

That's just fucking stupid. of course contradictions can exist.

>>1015108
>That's just fucking stupid.

An apt summary of the thread.

>>1015097
I equated "humbled" with "rejection of my philosophy" due to being defeated in some way. As if "life" contained a right which would at some point smack down my wrong, and reduce me to adopting the correct philosophy.

>wouldn't you agree that many things in life aren't necessarily under our control?

Sure, but I reject the view that an individual’s thoughts and actions are the inevitable result of factors (heredity, environment, etc) which aren't under our control. Emphasis on "inevitable".

>>1015133
Me again, sorry I forgot to sage.

>>1015108
Here's the full quote:

>A contradiction cannot exist. An atom is itself, and so is the universe; neither can contradict its own identity; nor can a part contradict the whole. No concept man forms is valid unless he integrates it without contradiction into the total sum of his knowledge. To arrive at a contradiction is to confess an error in one’s thinking; to maintain a contradiction is to abdicate one’s mind and to evict oneself from the realm of reality.

and another

>The Law of Identity (A is A) is a rational man’s paramount consideration in the process of determining his interests. He knows that the contradictory is the impossible, that a contradiction cannot be achieved in reality and that the attempt to achieve it can lead only to disaster and destruction. Therefore, he does not permit himself to hold contradictory values, to pursue contradictory goals, or to imagine that the pursuit of a contradiction can ever be to his interest.

Could I ask you to draw a square circle, or a round square?

>>1015147
The explanation just makes it all a tad less intelligible, unfortunate for everybody that laps it up.

It's still nonsense. It's just packaged in more nonsense.

"Anyone who denies the law of non-contradiction should be beaten and burned until he admits that to be beaten is not the same as not to be beaten, and to be burned is not the same as not to be burned."
-Avicenna

>>1015069
>implying Ayn Rand wrote literature

In the words of the great Prabhakar Ragde:
"I think I hate any authors. Well, I hate Ayn Rand, but she doesn't count."

In other news today, Ayn Rand proven wrong by a cat owned by a man named schrodinger. More news at eleven.

captcha: casually always

>>1015069
>implying Ayn Rand wrote literature

In the words of the great Prabhakar Ragde:
"I could never hate an author. Well, I hate Ayn Rand, but she doesn't count."

>>1015156
Try reading Aristotle's formulation of "The Law of Non-Contradiction" and see if it comes out as more clear to you.

>>1015168

u mad?

>>1015168
>In the words of the great Prabhakar Ragde

Who? Is he a magician or something?

"The all-encompassing nature of the Randian line may be illustrated by an incident that occurred to a friend of mine who once asked a leading Randian if he disagreed with the movement’s position on any conceivable subject. After several minutes of hard thought, the Randian replied: "Well, I can’t quite understand their position on smoking." Astonished that the Rand cult had any position on smoking, my friend pressed on: "They have a position on smoking? What is it?" The Randian replied that smoking, according to the cult, was a moral obligation. In my own experience, a top Randian once asked me rather sharply, "How is it that you don’t smoke?" When I replied that I had discovered early that I was allergic to smoke, the Randian was mollified: "Oh, that’s OK, then."

The official justification for making smoking a moral obligation was a sentence in Atlas where the heroine refers to a lit cigarette as symbolizing a fire in the mind, the fire of creative ideas. (One would think that simply holding up a lit match could do just as readily for this symbolic function.) One suspects that the actual reason, as in so many other parts of Randian theory, from Rachmaninoff to Victor Hugo to tap dancing, was that Rand simply liked smoking and had the need to cast about for a philosophical system that would make her personal whims not only moral but also a moral obligation incumbent upon everyone who desires to be rational."

LOL

>>1015206
He operates magic carpets in Persia, I thought everyone knew that

>>1015025
You will be, faggot.

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it's still effective? I admire this troll

>somebody posts picture of atlas shrugged cover
>59 replies

stay classy /lit/