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The Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde is without a doubt the quintessential Anglo-Saxon psychological novel, postulating as it does that man's "good" and "evil" sides are fundamentally opposed and may therefore be amenable to complete separation. And what an irony that the book was written in the same year, more or less, that the "contintentals" were writing Beyond Good and Evil...

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>> No.10110052

>>10109246
>that the 'Continentals' were writing
oh, come now. dismiss that metonym. Nietzsche only *really* discovers his own post ww2, and though unquestionably a poetic visionary (he clearly intuited or 'saw' what was coming, if not so clearly as Heine who really was and therefore still is a poet) the jury's still out on his status as a 'philosopher.' Nietzsche remains popular because like Jung he possesses, though dead, a bewitching prose-style..
>tic

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>>10110052
True enough. I think he would be reviled as a petty autocrat if it weren't for his style.

J.L. Walker wrote of the difference between Nietzsche and Stirner in 1907:

>Nietzsche, on the contrary, pours out his contempt upon democracy because it is not aristocratic. He is predatory to the point of demanding that those who must succumb to feline rapacity shall be taught to submit with resignation. When he speaks of “Anarchistic dogs” scouring the streets of great civilized cities; it is true, the context shows that he means the Communists; but his worship of Napoleon, his bathos of anxiety for the rise of an aristocracy that shall rule Europe for thousands of years, his idea of treating women in the oriental fashion, show that Nietzsche has struck out in a very old path — doing the apotheosis of tyranny. We individual egoistic Anarchists, however, may say to the Nietzsche school, so as not to be misunderstood: We do not ask of the Napoleons to have pity, nor of the predatory barons to do justice. They will find it convenient for their own welfare to make terms with men who have learned of Stirner what a man can be who worships nothing, bears allegiance to nothing. To Nietzsche’s rhodomontade of eagles in baronial form, born to prey on industrial lambs, we rather tauntingly oppose the ironical question: Where are your claws? What if the “eagles” are found to be plain barn-yard fowls on which more silly fowls have fastened steel spurs to hack the victims, who, however, have the power to disarm the sham “eagles” between two suns? Stirner shows that men make their tyrants as they make their gods, and his purpose is to unmake tyrants.

>Nietzsche dearly loves a tyrant.

>> No.10111235

>>10110087
Roberto Calasso holds him up as a fraud with respect to Stirner in one of his fantastic earlier works, The Ruin of Kasch. From the early '80's. Point there was that N was rendered obsolete c. 50 years before the fact, so far as 'philosophizing with a hammer' is concerned, etc. It's just that no one really gets this. Yet.
Must say. Do love me some Stevenson. Especially the familiar essays and travel books. He's ONLY under appreciated because he's under read. He'll make his way back at some point 'before the whole shit house goes up in flames,' however. He has to. He's just too good.

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>>10110087
this is the best of this meme i've seen so far
where cop?

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>>10110087

>Aesthetics > truth

Has the moment of a thousand pictures returned to trample us with their sure-footed wisdom? Again, the return?

>> No.10111301

>>10110087
I think the unifying factor is that the people that only the aristocratic minded people can really achieve the type of egoism Stirner loves.

Weak people need the herd concepts, the community, the religious order, and so on preciously because they can't stand on their own. I think it's a genetic thing. The vast majority of the population has always been slaves of some kind, these people have been bred for that role so well that their instincts are incapable of doing anything else but finding something to submit to, if not a person than an ideology.

And of course someone who is really egotistical will find their ability to express their will greatly dimension without any slaves.

>> No.10112803

>>10111301
>if not a person then an ideology
even a thing..

>> No.10114366

>>10109246
Your opinion of Stevenson, OP? Genuinely curious.

>> No.10114499

>>10111235
I've read Jekyll and Hyde, so where do I go from here?

>> No.10114557

>>10114499
Shipwrecked

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Bump

>> No.10116594

>>10114499
There's so much, but begin with some of the Travel lit- Travels on a Donkey, An Inland Voyage, Across the Plains, the Silverado Squatters.
His essays are simply wonderful and can be found with regularity at used bookstores- Virginibus Puerisque, Memories and Random Portraits are both good titles of collections. If (you) want to order a collection in a modern paperback The Lantern Bearers and Other Essays is a good collection (read the title essay on line, be interested to hear what you think). Of the stories I personally like Island Nights and The New Arabian Nights collections best. Of the novels The Master of Ballantrae and St. Ives (though finished by Quiller-Couch).
I just like the man's style, the way he thinks, his positivity in general as well as at meeting death. He obviously cared about his readers, is almost always at his best and never dull. Big fan.

>> No.10116809

>>10110052
>the jury's still out on his status as a 'philosopher.'
If you had actually studied the Greeks and Nietzsche, you would understand full well how he is more of a philosopher than 90%+ of the ones that academia praises in its philosophy departments, who are really just dialecticians.

>> No.10116867

>>10109246
>postulating as it does that man's "good" and "evil" sides are fundamentally opposed and may therefore be amenable to complete separation
doesn't it do the absolute opposite of this in assuming that man is not "good" or "evil" but rather one who may temporarily switch between the qualities of either? That really the dichotomy of good and evil is false since they exist within us simultaneously and the qualities which were originally assumed to be mutually exclusive actually arise at their own fancy?

>> No.10116880

>>10116809
Damn, anon. I have to go to work else I'd stay awhile. If this thread's still around 10 hours from now I'll answer. Have a good day, evening.. real time, wherever you\ are.